--- Log opened Tue Jan 19 00:00:47 2010 00:02 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@70.35.165.173] has joined #go-nuts 00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhki by [Russ Cox] in go/doc/ -- spec: mention Inf and NaN are supported at run time. 00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhkv by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net: enable UDP broadcast before it is needed (instead of after) 00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhl7 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/reflect/ -- reflect: fix garbage collection bug in Call. 00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhlO by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc: be more specific about copy type errors 00:09 -!- ntome [n=ntome@unaffiliated/ntome] has left #go-nuts ["cya"] 00:09 -!- ericvh [i=1805d739@gateway/web/freenode/x-pbdoechuiatrpotf] has quit ["Page closed"] 00:11 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:14 -!- tomestla [n=tom@AToulouse-151-1-9-100.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:15 -!- rbohn_ [n=chatzill@d103.digis.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:19 -!- rhelmer [n=rhelmer@adsl-71-139-219-78.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:22 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has quit [] 00:23 -!- rbohn [n=chatzill@d103.digis.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yl7s by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc: more precise handling of import . 00:32 -!- KiNgMaR [n=ingmar@2001:41d0:2:7518:1:3:3:7] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:40 -!- kanru [n=kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 00:45 -!- vsrinivas [n=me@c-68-55-179-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:46 -!- vsrinivas [n=me@c-68-55-179-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:49 -!- sinuhe [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:49 -!- moosecake [n=moosecak@c-71-203-181-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:50 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has quit [] 00:56 -!- kota1111 [n=kota1111@gw2.kbmj.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 00:56 -!- kota1111 [n=kota1111@gw2.kbmj.jp] has joined #go-nuts 00:56 < trevor> I believe I've hit a bug in the runtime 00:56 < trevor> http://paste.lisp.org/display/93595 00:56 < trevor> If the "runtime.Gosched()" is commented out the for loop never completes 00:57 < trevor> Basically the goroutine that f is on never "yields" 00:57 < trevor> Is this a known bug? 00:59 -!- niekie [i=quasselc@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has joined #go-nuts 01:04 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:05 -!- kingless [n=user@adsl-162-136-30.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:07 -!- tav_ [n=tav@78.149.174.126] has joined #go-nuts 01:07 < skelterjohn> trevor: not a bug 01:08 < skelterjohn> if you only have one process available, then f() will never yield control 01:08 < skelterjohn> the for loop never completes in any case, though if main() returns then it will get killed automatically 01:08 < trevor> I have two processors 01:08 < skelterjohn> calling Gosched() is one way to for a gorouting to yield 01:08 < skelterjohn> ah, but what is GOMAXPROCS set to :) 01:08 < skelterjohn> (I bet it's 1) 01:08 < trevor> Look closer at the file 01:08 < skelterjohn> (1 is the default) 01:08 < skelterjohn> ah 01:08 < skelterjohn> hm 01:09 < trevor> "calling Gosched() is one way to for a gorouting to yield" What is another way? 01:09 < skelterjohn> what is not happening that you expect to happen? 01:09 < skelterjohn> trevor: file IO, write/read a channel 01:09 < skelterjohn> system calls 01:09 < trevor> I expect the for loop in main to complete and the program to quit 01:09 < trevor> I would expect this even if GOMAXPROCS is set to 1 01:10 < trevor> But definitely if GOMAXPROCS is set to 2 01:10 -!- b00m_chef__ [n=watr@d64-180-45-230.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:10 < skelterjohn> maybe something about the GC thread? 01:10 < skelterjohn> i don't know - worth posting to the ML 01:10 < skelterjohn> I get the same behavior 01:10 < skelterjohn> also 2 procs, GOMAXPROCS=2 01:10 < trevor> I'm making an issue right now 01:11 < skelterjohn> I suggest an ML post first 01:11 -!- fifoman [n=fifoman@p4FCC6E44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:11 -!- fifoman [n=fifoman@p4FCC6D75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:11 < trevor> Why? It seems to be a bug to me 01:11 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]"] 01:12 < skelterjohn> *shrug* 01:12 < skelterjohn> do as you will 01:12 -!- moosecake [n=moosecak@c-71-203-181-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:14 -!- tav [n=tav@89.242.215.108] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:14 -!- Spaghett1ni [n=Spaghett@vaxjo8.44.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:14 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:15 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:17 -!- gnuvince_ [n=vince@64.235.204.157] has joined #go-nuts 01:20 -!- vsriniva1 [n=me@c-68-55-179-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yxwF by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc: bug243 01:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yxwX by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc: multiple return value at top-level invoked multiple times 01:21 -!- Spaghett2ni [n=Spaghett@vaxjo8.44.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:24 -!- amacleod [n=amacleod@c-75-69-45-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:24 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:27 -!- Spaghettini [n=Spaghett@vaxjo8.44.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:31 -!- Spaghett2ni [n=Spaghett@vaxjo8.44.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:32 -!- vsrinivas [n=me@c-68-55-179-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:33 -!- Spaghett1ni [n=Spaghett@vaxjo8.44.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:34 < trevor> skelterjohn: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.go.general 01:34 -!- carllerche [n=carllerc@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has quit [] 01:34 -!- kingless [n=user@adsl-162-136-30.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit ["time for bed"] 01:36 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@70.35.165.173] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yALg by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc: bug245 01:39 -!- fwiffo [n=fwiffo@unaffiliated/fwiffo] has joined #go-nuts 01:45 -!- Spaghettini [n=Spaghett@vaxjo8.44.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:46 -!- nighty__ [n=nighty@210.188.173.245] has joined #go-nuts 02:03 -!- tav_ [n=tav@78.146.162.156] has joined #go-nuts 02:08 -!- tav [n=tav@78.149.174.126] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:09 -!- Kibiz0r [n=Adium@99.35.9.179] has joined #go-nuts 02:16 -!- Junior [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #go-nuts 02:19 -!- Junior [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 02:19 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #go-nuts 02:20 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 02:21 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #go-nuts 02:23 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has left #go-nuts [] 02:24 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #go-nuts 02:24 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has left #go-nuts [] 02:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yKJJ by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/test/ -- add bug246 (issue 492) 02:25 -!- amacleod [n=amacleod@c-75-69-45-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:27 -!- dizm [n=dizm@121.98.168.127] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:28 -!- sinuhe [n=user@kaptah.deevans.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:29 -!- dizm [n=dizm@121.98.168.127] has joined #go-nuts 02:32 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #go-nuts 02:35 < Junior-Rus> Hello! 02:35 < goplexian> hey Junior! 02:35 -!- Daminvar [n=Daminvar@129.21.121.86] has joined #go-nuts 02:40 < happy_> hi 02:41 < Junior-Rus> Please, help me. I'm a newbie at Go. Python has "input()" and "raw_input()" functions. Is there a similar function in Go? 02:42 -!- scarabx [n=scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:42 < Junior-Rus> P.S.^ I'm a newbie in programming too =) 02:43 -!- b00m_chef__ [n=watr@128.189.91.154] has joined #go-nuts 02:44 -!- amacleod [n=amacleod@c-75-69-45-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:44 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:44 < happy_> Junior-Rus: what does input() do? 02:45 < Daminvar> reader := bufio.NewReader(os.Stdin); input := reader.ReadString('\n'); strings.TrimSpace(input); 02:45 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:45 < Daminvar> That'll get you the string without an appended newline. 02:45 < Daminvar> You can convert to another type from there 02:45 < happy_> does go have a scanf? 02:46 < Junior-Rus> Daminvar: Thank you! 02:46 < Daminvar> Uh, no problem. =) 02:47 -!- metapandava [n=metapand@c-67-170-34-16.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:47 -!- gnuvince_ [n=vince@64.235.204.157] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:48 -!- tav_ [n=tav@92.24.22.27] has joined #go-nuts 02:50 -!- Daminvar [n=Daminvar@129.21.121.86] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:51 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has quit [] 02:52 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@72.0.216.241] has joined #go-nuts 02:53 -!- Junior-Rus [n=alexey@ppp92-100-43-142.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has left #go-nuts [] 02:57 -!- tav [n=tav@78.146.162.156] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:01 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@72.0.216.241] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:02 < happy_> how do I do something for each entry in a map? 03:02 < happy_> for example. If I could get an array of the keys, that would work 03:06 -!- tav [n=tav@84.13.42.36] has joined #go-nuts 03:06 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:08 <+iant> happy_: for k, v := range map 03:08 < happy_> iant: thanks 03:10 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@ip-250.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:11 -!- tav_ [n=tav@92.24.22.27] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:14 -!- chachan [n=chachan@201.208.209.90] has quit ["KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/06 11:44:47 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/"] 03:15 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@ip-250.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:15 -!- Fraeman [n=kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 03:18 -!- vsriniva1 [n=me@c-68-55-179-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:21 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:25 -!- 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alphabet ;) 16:56 -!- ThreeSix [n=Vova@IGLD-84-228-51-109.inter.net.il] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:56 -!- ThreeSix [n=Vova@IGLD-80-230-203-109.inter.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 16:56 < clip9> you mean --great-self-documenting-flags 16:57 -!- Fl1pFl0p [n=FlipFlop@unaffiliated/fl1pfl0p] has joined #go-nuts 16:58 -!- bortzmeyer [n=bortzmey@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 16:59 < uriel> mpl: excapt that any such prgrams are broken by design 16:59 < uriel> mpl: plus, last I checked Go supports unicode... 17:00 < rogpeppe> i don't mind the verbose flags much - at least the interface is consistent and reasonably simple 17:01 -!- b00m_chef__ [n=watr@174.6.160.238] has joined #go-nuts 17:01 < rogpeppe> but it would be great to be able to do func init() {if debugflag {set other debug stuff}} 17:02 < rogpeppe> as it is, for anything depending on command line flags, you have to define another init function and call it, which seems a little retrograde 17:03 < rogpeppe> and the only reason is that the ambiguity between "-flag x y" and "-flag=x y" 17:03 < rogpeppe> s/ that// 17:05 -!- nanoo [n=nano@95-89-197-218-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:10 -!- Vova [n=Vova@IGLD-80-230-203-109.inter.net.il] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:13 -!- keeto [n=keeto@121.54.92.149] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:13 -!- keeto_ [n=keeto@121.54.92.149] has joined #go-nuts 17:14 < LuitvD> don't think that cairo + xgb will work... 17:15 < LuitvD> cairo-xcb might, but that's not completely my intention... 17:18 -!- chachan [n=chachan@200.44.157.246] has joined #go-nuts 17:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6BzYm by [Russ Cox] in go/include/ -- libc: add goos, goarch, goroot. fixes build 17:30 -!- callidus [n=quassel@80.194.247.74] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:37 -!- KirkMcDonald [n=Kirk@pysoy/developer/KirkMcDonald] has joined #go-nuts 17:37 -!- tgall_foo [n=tgall@gentoo/developer/dr-who] has joined 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question. 18:00 -!- catofzen [n=lc@ip-69-27-63-250.slm.blueriver.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:01 < cworth> LuitvD: Is xgb an implementation of XCB in Go? 18:02 < LuitvD> kind of 18:03 < LuitvD> how does cairo-xcb work? 18:03 < LuitvD> does it directly bind to the xcb connection you have and make it's own calls? 18:03 < LuitvD> or what? 18:04 < LuitvD> with "cairo_xcb_surface_create()" you need to provide an xcb_connection_t, xcb_drawable_t and xcb_visualtype_t 18:04 < LuitvD> what for? 18:06 < goplexian> anyone have any idea's about this? 18:06 < goplexian> cd debug/gosym && /BUILDROOT/google-go/gomake test 18:06 < goplexian> make[1]: Entering directory `/BUILD/google-go/src/pkg/debug/gosym' 18:06 < goplexian> /BUILDROOT/google-go/gotest 18:06 < goplexian> sh: line 2: 6a: command not found 18:06 < goplexian> make[1]: *** [test] Error 1 18:06 < goplexian> make[1]: Leaving directory `/BUILD/google-go/src/pkg/debug/gosym' 18:07 < goplexian> make: *** [debug/gosym.test] Error 2 18:08 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:08 < cworth> LuitvD: Cairo-xcb makes calls directly to XCB functions, (xcb_get_image, xcb_render_create_picture, xcb_render_composite_checked, etc.). 18:08 < LuitvD> goplexian: your assembler can't be found 18:08 -!- nsf [n=nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit ["WeeChat 0.3.0"] 18:08 < LuitvD> goplexian: is $GOBIN in your path? 18:08 < LuitvD> (or $HOME/bin, if there's no $GOBIN) 18:09 < cworth> LuitvD: So you'll probably need Go bindings for a couple of XCB functions, (to open the connection, and create a drawable). 18:10 < goplexian> LuitvD: it looks that is the problem from the error, but I do not think that is actually the problem. 18:10 < LuitvD> cworth: hm... that'll just NOT work, I guess... 18:10 < cworth> LuitvD: But after that, you should be able to share things between your go-XCB and xgb, (since things like X drawable identifiers are just integers). 18:10 < kfx> goplexian: if your shell can't find the assembler, that's definitely a problem 18:11 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 18:11 < LuitvD> goplexian: what do you get if you type just 6a in your terminal? 18:13 < LuitvD> cworth: I just want Go to make a connection to the X server with xgb, and get the cario binding to push information to xgb directly 18:13 < LuitvD> cworth: not through C 18:14 < LuitvD> cworth: or could I just share the connection between xgb and XCB? 18:15 < cworth> LuitvD: Shared connection or separate connection doesn't matter at all. 18:15 < cworth> LuitvD: You can't magically make cairo call go functions, of course. ;-) 18:15 < goplexian> LuitvD: in src/pkg/debug there are about 5 diretorys, dwarf, elf, macho, proc, and gosym. gotest runs fine and passes the tests for dwarf, macho, and elf, and then fails when it gets to gosym. 18:16 < LuitvD> cworth: sure didn't expect cairo to call go functions 18:16 < LuitvD> cworth: but how do I do this practically? 18:16 < cworth> But, like I said, since all a Drawable (a Window or a Pixmap) is on the wire is an integer, then you can definitely create XCB and an xgb objects for the same Drawable and share things that way. 18:18 < cworth> LuitvD: What I don't know (and am looking for now) is whether XCB gives you the function you need to create a new data structure given a Drawable integer, (without sending protocol to ask the server to create a new Window/Pixmap). 18:19 < cworth> LuitvD: I don't see anything obvious. But I'm at a conference today with Jamey Sharp, so I'll probe him a bit on what you're trying to do. 18:20 < cworth> (Jamey being the person that has written most of XCB.) 18:21 < LuitvD> cworth: what would be the best way to get cairo's graphics on my screen? 18:21 < LuitvD> from go? 18:21 < LuitvD> just ditch xgb and make cairo use it's standard Xlib or XCB binding to create a window with graphics? 18:22 < LuitvD> or will I need the direct connection to the X server for, for example, mouse and keyboard events and such? 18:25 -!- Eridius [n=kevin@growl/Eridius] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 < LuitvD> cworth: different question: how does cairo use hardware acceleration? 18:26 < LuitvD> only when using certain back-ends? 18:27 < LuitvD> or does it do OpenVG? 18:29 -!- codedread [i=81bc211a@gateway/web/freenode/x-mtybmmqxlqnosfwf] has joined #go-nuts 18:30 < skelterjohn> I think the main first step we'd need is a really good binding to openGL 18:30 < skelterjohn> then someone could come and make a nice new GUI system on top of that 18:31 * skelterjohn checks cat-v for an opengl binding 18:31 -!- carllerche [n=carllerc@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:31 -!- chachan [n=chachan@200.44.157.246] has quit ["KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3763, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-08 08:47:55 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/"] 18:31 < skelterjohn> there is at least one - maybe i'll check it out at some point 18:31 < skelterjohn> too busy right now though 18:33 -!- codedread [i=81bc211a@gateway/web/freenode/x-mtybmmqxlqnosfwf] has left #go-nuts [] 18:33 -!- codedread [i=81bc211a@gateway/web/freenode/x-mtybmmqxlqnosfwf] has joined #go-nuts 18:34 -!- codedread [i=81bc211a@gateway/web/freenode/x-mtybmmqxlqnosfwf] has left #go-nuts [] 18:34 -!- catofzen [n=lc@ip-69-27-56-38.slm.blueriver.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:34 < goplexian> me no happy 18:35 -!- aho [n=nya@e183151053.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:36 -!- ericfode [i=4a76b12a@gateway/web/freenode/x-wweyjbuhnrriipcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 18:36 < skelterjohn> goplexian: ? 18:37 < goplexian> oh just learning the joys of building packages 18:37 -!- Luit [n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd] has joined #go-nuts 18:37 < Luit> my connection just wandered off... 18:38 < Luit> cworth: I didn't catch anything after you told me Jamey wrote most of XCB) 18:38 < Luit> cworth: did any messages from me come through after that, and did I miss any? 18:38 < dho> 13:30 < LuitvD> or does it do OpenVG? 18:39 < Luit> oh, right 18:40 < Luit> 4 messages before that my connection was already lagging like hell 18:41 -!- LuitvD [n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:41 < Luit> HA! 18:41 < LuitvD> beat that, ghost 18:46 < goplexian> woot! \o/ 18:47 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:48 -!- moosecake [n=moosecak@c-71-203-181-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 18:50 -!- mrd`_ [n=matthew@shinobi.dempsky.org] has left #go-nuts [] 18:51 -!- nanoo [n=nano@95-89-197-218-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:51 -!- mrd` [n=matthew@shinobi.dempsky.org] has joined #go-nuts 18:51 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6BU3a by [Russ Cox] in 5 subdirs of go/src/pkg/ -- hash: document that Sum does not change hash state 18:51 -!- Luit [n=luitvd@82-170-227-44.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #go-nuts 18:51 < Luit> this stupid ghost keeps coming back 18:51 -!- LuitvD [n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:52 < Luit> AND STAY AWAY THIS TIME, GHOST! 18:53 < goplexian> just for the record, gosym doesn't have any trouble, I think probably I just ran the build script a dozen to many times and something got weird, I grabed fresh sources and it works as it should 18:54 -!- jdp [n=justin@ool-435238c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:54 < goplexian> one things for sure though, fast compile times certain when building a package 18:54 < goplexian> certainly help* 18:55 < LuitvD> :) 18:56 < LuitvD> fast builds always help, everything 18:58 -!- ThreeSix [n=Vova@IGLD-80-230-203-109.inter.net.il] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:59 -!- badsect_r [n=badsecto@pppgint-82-15.b-online.gr] has joined #go-nuts 18:59 -!- ntome [n=ntome@unaffiliated/ntome] has joined #go-nuts 18:59 < ntome> hi 18:59 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:59 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:00 < ntome> when doing some "listener, err := net.ListenTCP(...)", how do I "test" err ? 19:01 -!- fgb1 [n=fgb@190.246.85.45] has joined #go-nuts 19:01 < LuitvD> if err != nil {} 19:01 < LuitvD> for example 19:02 < ntome> LuitvD: I thought it was a "value", no pointer 19:02 < ntome> the documentation says it's an interface 19:02 < KirkMcDonald> ntome: And interfaces may be nil. 19:03 -!- deso [n=deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:03 < ntome> KirkMcDonald: ok, the tutorial didn't mention that 19:03 < ntome> thanks 19:03 -!- zidoh [n=bjornar@129.241.43.247] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:03 -!- zidoh_ [n=bjornar@pyrrophlagalon.nithia.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:04 < ntome> is there a way to make the compiler less stubborn when it comes to unused imports or vars ? 19:04 < dho> import _ "unused" 19:04 < ntome> make it a warning, not an error 19:04 < ntome> dho: same for vars ? 19:04 < dho> no 19:04 < dho> comment those out. 19:05 < ntome> damn 19:05 < ntome> er, in fact it's the same for vars 19:06 < ntome> thanks 19:06 < dho> is it? good to know 19:06 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:06 -!- fgb [n=fgb@190.246.85.45] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:08 -!- jajamana [n=jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 19:11 < skelterjohn> there are no warnings in go 19:11 < skelterjohn> this is on purpose 19:12 < skelterjohn> you can do the same for vars too 19:12 < skelterjohn> "_ = 5" compiles 19:12 < skelterjohn> import _ "unused" <- shouldn't do this - it still links unused and executes its init() method 19:13 < skelterjohn> you should just comment out an import you don't want 19:13 < skelterjohn> typing // is nearly as easy as _ 19:13 < skelterjohn> same number of keys anyway 19:17 -!- res [n=res@unaffiliated/res] has quit ["leaving"] 19:18 < ntome> needs multiline imports 19:19 < skelterjohn> ? 19:19 -!- nsf [n=nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 19:19 < skelterjohn> well, i suppose if you do: import ("a";"b") 19:19 < skelterjohn> that could have problems 19:19 < ntome> yeah 19:19 < skelterjohn> don't do it that way though :) gofmt will separate it for you 19:20 < ntome> cannot a TCPListener be cast to interface Listener? 19:21 < badsect_r> is there an eclipse plugin for go? Or at least a syntax highlighting file for gedit? 19:21 < skelterjohn> ntome: what's the relevant package? 19:21 < skelterjohn> badsect_r: yes to both 19:21 < ntome> skelterjohn: net 19:21 -!- res [n=res@unaffiliated/res] has joined #go-nuts 19:21 < skelterjohn> badsect_r: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/ 19:21 < badsect_r> skelterjohn, awesome. Where? :-) 19:21 < badsect_r> thanks 19:22 < skelterjohn> TCPListener has no Listen method 19:22 < skelterjohn> unless it is from a super-struct 19:22 < ntome> skelterjohn: nor does Listener 19:22 < ntome> http://golang.org/pkg/net/#Listener 19:22 < skelterjohn> http://golang.org/pkg/net/#Listener 19:22 -!- path[l] [n=path@122.182.0.38] has quit [] 19:22 < skelterjohn> yes it does 19:22 < ntome> I see 3 19:22 < ntome> Accept, Close, Addr 19:22 -!- LuitvD [n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:22 < skelterjohn> oh wait 19:22 < skelterjohn> i'm misreading 19:22 < skelterjohn> sorry 19:23 < ntome> (yeah the doc is not too easy to read :) ) 19:23 < skelterjohn> a *TCPListener can be cast to a Listener interface 19:23 < skelterjohn> not a TCPListener though 19:23 < skelterjohn> that might be the problem 19:23 -!- LuitvD [n=mobile@beigetower/luitvd] has joined #go-nuts 19:24 < ntome> trying 19:24 < LuitvD> DAMN IT!!! 19:24 < dho> tcpl.(Listener) 19:24 < dho> is how you cast interfaces 19:24 < skelterjohn> dho: going from the struct to the interface here, I think 19:24 -!- KB1JWQ [i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq] has joined #go-nuts 19:24 < skelterjohn> var l Listener = &myTCPListener 19:24 < ntome> dho: no, i want to cast TO interface, not from 19:24 < LuitvD> my home network is now completely isolated from the internet 19:24 < dho> ah. 19:25 < skelterjohn> LuitvD: I disagree 19:25 < skelterjohn> unless I am somehow on your home network 19:25 < skelterjohn> or are you not home 19:25 < skelterjohn> that could also explain it 19:25 < LuitvD> this is my mobile phone I'm chatting with 19:25 < ntome> ok, my struct had a *net.Listener field 19:26 -!- wiretapped [n=leif@pony.noisebridge.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:26 < ntome> if I put a net.Listener in, won't it copy the TCPListener ? 19:26 < skelterjohn> i don't understand the question 19:26 < skelterjohn> when you say a *net.Listener field, is it named? 19:26 < ntome> yes 19:26 -!- Luit [n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd] has joined #go-nuts 19:27 < Luit> ah, there's my home network's internet connection again 19:27 < ntome> but it won't cast *TCPListener to *Listener 19:27 < skelterjohn> what do you mean, "won't it copy the TCPListener"? 19:27 < ntome> it will cast *TCPListener to Listener 19:27 < skelterjohn> right 19:27 < skelterjohn> that makes sense 19:27 < ntome> but doing this, it will copy, right ? 19:27 < skelterjohn> uh 19:27 < LuitvD> let's see 19:27 < skelterjohn> I don't see how adding a variable, of any sort, would change this 19:28 < skelterjohn> but it could be I don't have all the context 19:28 < ntome> I did not add a variable 19:28 < ntome> I'll pastebin if you want 19:28 -!- moraes [n=moraes@187.39.148.176] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:29 < ntome> http://codepad.org/Y04MRdDf 19:29 < ntome> (I'm doing the tutorial exercises) 19:30 < ntome> it's in CreateServer 19:30 < skelterjohn> what's the error? 19:31 < skelterjohn> code looks reasonable to me at first glance 19:31 < skelterjohn> compile-wise 19:31 < ntome> here, there's no error, but the idea there is a copy of the listen bothers my mind :) 19:31 < ntome> listener* 19:31 < skelterjohn> listener is a TCPListener* 19:31 < skelterjohn> or *TCPListener, I mean, in go-speak 19:32 < skelterjohn> so you're just copying a pointer 19:32 < ntome> when putting it in the struct, there is a copy? 19:32 < skelterjohn> of the pointer 19:32 < skelterjohn> not of the underlying object 19:32 < skelterjohn> that is never copied 19:32 < ntome> that's not what I understood from the tutorial 19:33 < ntome> it repeated interfaces were not pointers but values 19:33 < skelterjohn> the net.Listener is an interface, which only wraps what implements it (in this case a *TCPListener) 19:33 < skelterjohn> yeah - it's a value of a *TCPListener :) 19:33 < skelterjohn> *TCPListener is what implements tha tinterface 19:33 < skelterjohn> not TCPListener 19:33 < ntome> ah 19:33 < skelterjohn> if you look at the receiver methods for Addr, etc 19:34 < skelterjohn> they have a *TCPListener receiver type 19:34 < ntome> I think I'm starting to understand 19:34 < skelterjohn> so that's what implements it 19:34 < skelterjohn> this kind of thing caught me up at first, when i was learning go 19:34 < skelterjohn> but it all makes sense 19:34 < ntome> ok, there was a confusion between pointer receivers and direct receivers 19:34 < skelterjohn> sure 19:35 < skelterjohn> you *could* have a func (TCPListener) Addr(whatever) 19:35 < skelterjohn> and then that *would* copy the whole TCPListener object 19:35 < skelterjohn> i think 19:35 < ntome> the tutorial said that 19:36 < skelterjohn> i sorta feel like the interface would have to only store a pointer, because when you pass the interface around the compiler doesn't know the underlying type 19:36 < skelterjohn> and would only provide code to copy the known-size type pointer 19:36 < ntome> but the interface doesn't know if it's *TCPListener that implements, or TCPListener 19:37 < skelterjohn> ntome: right, but when you instantiate the interface, you pass it a *TCPListener. if you tried to pass it a TCPListener, the compiler would puke since TCPListener doesn't implement Listner 19:37 < skelterjohn> Listener 19:37 < Luit> Let's just keep this (my mobile) on for when my home network disconnects again 19:37 < ntome> hum, gtg, I'll be back in an hour or two, thanks for enlightening me skelterjohn :) 19:37 < skelterjohn> np 19:38 < LuitvD> ugh, I hate this network trouble 19:38 -!- res [n=res@unaffiliated/res] has quit ["leaving"] 19:41 < LuitvD> sharing a single ADSL connection with over 20 people is a bit too much without enterprise-grade load-balancing on the router and switches 19:41 -!- res [n=res@unaffiliated/res] has joined #go-nuts 19:42 < skelterjohn> that's why i'm a hermit 19:42 < LuitvD> it only works when either everyone's out for the day, or everyone knows what they can do with this connection (or actually, what they can't) 19:43 * LuitvD looks at people not capping their torrent upload rate and connection rates 19:43 -!- ThreeSix [n=Vova@IGLD-84-228-126-140.inter.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 19:49 -!- jdp [n=justin@ool-435238c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:50 -!- mbarkhau [n=koloss@p54A7ECF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:56 -!- zohaib1020 [n=zohaib10@z65-50-111-43.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 -!- badsect_r [n=badsecto@pppgint-82-15.b-online.gr] has quit [] 20:01 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has quit [] 20:04 -!- path[l] [i=UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 20:05 -!- path[l] [i=UPP@120.138.102.34] has quit [Client Quit] 20:05 -!- path[l] [i=UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 20:08 -!- b00m_chef__ [n=watr@174.6.160.241] has joined #go-nuts 20:15 -!- keesj [n=keesj@ip49-193-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 20:18 -!- webbpa [n=chatzill@adsl-99-69-199-26.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:22 -!- bortzmeyer [n=stephane@central.sources.org] has joined #go-nuts 20:24 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:26 -!- jA_cOp [n=yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:27 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 20:31 -!- General13372 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:33 < keesj> is cgo required to create a working go runtime? 20:33 < skelterjohn> runtime package is written mostly in C 20:33 < skelterjohn> so I think so 20:33 -!- b00m_chef__ [n=watr@174.6.160.241] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:36 < keesj> I didn't see so much C code yet. also I was under the impression code genetated did not depend on for example libc 20:36 < keesj> (can't really look but the files generate are staticly linked and not that big) 20:37 < skelterjohn> I have no experience with cgo, sorry 20:37 < keesj> no problem ! 20:37 < skelterjohn> pinging dho, he knows about this kind of stuff 20:38 <+iant> cgo is not needed for the Go runtime, it's only needed if you want to link against external libraries 20:38 < skelterjohn> iant: is all the C code in runtime built in a special way, then? 20:39 <+iant> yes, it's built with 6c, a C compiler equivalent to 6g 20:39 < skelterjohn> oh - does that mean if you compile your C code with 6c, you don't have to use cgo? 20:39 <+iant> yes 20:39 < skelterjohn> interesting 20:39 <+iant> but 6c doesn't know how to read all the /usr/include headers 20:39 < skelterjohn> though i suppose that doesn't help for making existing library bindings 20:40 <+iant> right 20:41 -!- ikke [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit [] 20:42 < dho> pong 20:42 < skelterjohn> sorry - iant answered the relevant questions :) 20:42 < dho> not all 20:42 < dho> you can't just call 6c-generated code from go 20:43 < dho> You still have to name it in the mangled fashion (package-middledot-function) 20:43 < dho> And you still need to provide an exports.go 20:43 < skelterjohn> ah interesting 20:43 < dho> runtime is a *great* example of how to make C and go code interoperate 20:43 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:43 < skelterjohn> can you even use the dot in regular gcc compiled c code? 20:44 < skelterjohn> or is that a plan9-ism 20:44 < keesj> I am trying to make a package for maemo containing the compiler and such. The maemo sdk contains a qemu who doens't like the generated arm code 20:44 < dho> if it reads utf, sure 20:44 < dho> i dunno 20:44 < skelterjohn> well, it might be able to read utf but not allow that as an identifier name 20:44 <+iant> skelterjohn: you can't use the dot in gcc compiled code; you have to use an asm redeclaration 20:44 < skelterjohn> eek 20:44 < dho> another confusing bit is that the files called e.g. malloc.cgo or semaphore.cgo etc are not actually used with cgo 20:44 <+iant> yeah, that is kind of weak 20:45 <+iant> but cgo2c came first 20:45 < dho> They pass through a utility to translate a hybrid c/go source into c. 20:45 < dho> that cgo2c yeah 20:45 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 20:45 < dho> ideally, nobody's looking into the runtime anyway 20:45 < dho> well, not ideally, but theoretically 20:45 < skelterjohn> I'm certainly not 20:46 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-28-39.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:46 < skelterjohn> i ain't no hacker 20:46 < dho> but if you're just skimming over the contents of the source tree, it's kind of odd. 20:46 < dho> keesj: unfortunately, all my arm experience is StrongARM 20:46 < dho> so i doubt i'm of much help 20:47 < dho> but I believe the ARM code generated is arm5, and big-endian 20:47 < keesj> the code runs well on the N900't cortex-a8 but not on the Sheeva's plug (arm9) for example 20:47 < dho> i may be wrong. kaib can tell you more 20:47 < ntome> skelterjohn: thinking during my meal, I think I fully understood the interface stuff :) 20:47 < keesj> probably all little-endian just like the x86 machines 20:48 < skelterjohn> ntome: hehe excellent 20:48 < skelterjohn> ntome: it's a bit tough to grok at first not because it's complicated, but because it's different 20:48 < skelterjohn> i think it's a good way to do things though 20:48 < dho> keesj: in any case, my recollection is that only one endianness is supported 20:49 < dho> i thought it was big-endian, because the nslu2 doesn't work and i thought that was little endian 20:49 < dho> but i guess i'm backwards 20:49 * skelterjohn thinks everyone should be the same endian 20:49 -!- General1337 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:49 < ntome> skelterjohn: hehe yeah 20:49 < keesj> indeed and everybody should start counting from 0 and not 1 20:49 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@70.35.167.242] has joined #go-nuts 20:50 < skelterjohn> well that's just silly 20:50 < skelterjohn> counting from zero is an artifact of how array memory is laid out. nothing fundamental about that 20:53 -!- rakd [n=rakd@219.117.252.7.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 20:53 < keesj> I don't know. it's a source of errrors :p 20:53 < ntome> well, it seems we can't do "if something \n { ... }", you have to put the opening brace on the same line 20:54 -!- gnuvince_ [n=vince@64.235.211.245] has joined #go-nuts 20:54 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@70.35.167.242] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:54 < skelterjohn> ntome: that's right 20:54 < keesj> ntome: it also written here in the second paragraph .it might be a good read ! http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html 20:55 < ntome> keesj: I read the pdf tutorials 20:56 < skelterjohn> that web page is kept a bit more up to date 20:58 -!- gyjoe [n=gyjoe@58.114.195.70] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:01 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:04 -!- imsplitbit [n=imsplitb@64.39.4.132] has joined #go-nuts 21:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6ClOU by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/ld/ -- ld: unused variable 21:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6ClP0 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/compress/zlib/ -- compress/zlib: add example to doc comment 21:10 -!- belkiss [n=belkiss@78.235.168.105] has joined #go-nuts 21:12 -!- oal [n=olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:12 < ntome> http://golang.org/pkg/regexp/ oh the engine is so poor :( 21:13 < skelterjohn> ntome: why do you say that? 21:14 < ntome> well, other regex engine propose many more features 21:15 -!- fgb1 [n=fgb@190.246.85.45] has quit [Client Quit] 21:15 -!- fgb [n=fgb@190.246.85.45] has joined #go-nuts 21:18 < imsplitbit> I thought I saw a PCRE go pkg somewhere out there on the web 21:20 < ntome> oooh nice 21:20 < skelterjohn> http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html <- why go doesn't use PCRE 21:21 < imsplitbit> http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-pcre 21:21 < imsplitbit> I haven't used it so I cannot say how good or bad it is 21:21 < imsplitbit> but if the builtin doesn't suit you then start there and make it better 21:22 < ntome> skelterjohn: the case described is a case that doesn't happen often i guess 21:24 -!- preflex_ [n=preflex@95-88-118-220-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:27 < skelterjohn> I'm not really an expert on what people like to do with regexps, but I believe one thing you can't do with the stuff described in the link I posted is put callbacks in, which you can do with PCRE? 21:28 < skelterjohn> this is just me trying to remember things that were said in this chatroom a month or so ago :) 21:29 < ntome> no, there are lookaheads, backreferences, and more 21:29 < skelterjohn> "one thing", not "the only thing" :) 21:29 < skelterjohn> or do you mean you can do that stuff with the DFA? 21:29 < ntome> ok 21:30 < ntome> ah, misread 21:31 -!- gisikw [n=gisikw@137.28.186.120] has quit [] 21:32 -!- preflex [n=preflex@95-88-118-220-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:34 -!- bortzmeyer [n=stephane@central.sources.org] has quit [Client Quit] 21:37 -!- mssm [n=mssmfs@ip-95-221-73-151.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 21:45 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@bzq-109-66-2-94.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:47 -!- LuitvD [n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:47 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-79-183-0-48.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:49 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@bzq-109-66-2-94.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:49 -!- Demp [n=Demp@109.66.2.94] has joined #go-nuts 21:52 -!- deso [n=deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:52 -!- DonBensch_ [n=chatzill@cblmdm72-240-141-227.buckeyecom.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:54 -!- DonBensch [n=chatzill@cblmdm72-240-141-227.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:57 -!- ericvh [n=ericvh@adsl-69-104-141-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #go-nuts [] 21:59 -!- deso [n=deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 22:00 -!- Luit [n=mobile@beigetower/luitvd] has quit ["Bye"] 22:02 -!- zohaib1020 [n=zohaib10@z65-50-111-43.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:02 -!- DonBensch_ [n=chatzill@cblmdm72-240-141-227.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:08 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]"] 22:15 -!- scarabza [n=scarabza@84-72-140-176.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #go-nuts 22:16 < jhh> ever seen something like that? http://pastebin.com/m4feb0c06 22:17 < jhh> looks like exp/draw/x11 is too old? 22:18 < jhh> make install didn't rebuild the .6 file 22:18 -!- Eridius [n=kevin@growl/Eridius] has quit ["leaving"] 22:20 < dho> exp doesn't get built 22:20 < dho> you have to build those manually if you'd like to use them 22:22 -!- jdp [n=justin@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:23 -!- Venom_X_ [n=pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has joined #go-nuts 22:25 -!- mssm [n=mssmfs@ip-95-221-73-151.bb.netbynet.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 22:29 -!- p4p4_ [n=P4p4@24.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:36 -!- tomestla [n=tom@AToulouse-151-1-28-3.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 22:38 < jhh> weird thing was 'make install' in src/pkg/exp/draw/x11 didn't rebuild it, only installed it 22:40 -!- belkiss [n=belkiss@78.235.168.105] has quit [Client Quit] 22:41 -!- gyjoe [n=gyjoe@58.114.195.70] has joined #go-nuts 22:43 < skelterjohn> needs gb ;) 22:43 < keesj> gb? 22:44 < skelterjohn> a go builder project that jhh, dho and I had been discussing at one point. I don't know the current status. 22:47 -!- tsung_ [n=jon@112.104.53.151] has joined #go-nuts 22:47 -!- tsung [n=jon@112.104.53.151] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:47 -!- Xera^ [n=brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )"] 22:49 < keesj> I am still very new to go but I have currently two little project in mind 22:49 < keesj> none relate to building a builder :p 22:49 < keesj> I am thinking of a small init process for in a iniramdisk and some app using the framebuffer 22:50 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:50 < keesj> anybody going to FOSDEM btw? 22:51 < skelterjohn> what's FOSDEM? 22:53 < mpl> skelterjohn: http://fosdem.org/2010/ 22:56 -!- imsplitbit [n=imsplitb@64.39.4.132] has left #go-nuts [] 22:57 < keesj> it's a pretty nice developers oriented conference in Belgium 22:57 < ntome> a set of conference 22:59 -!- jophish [n=jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:00 -!- KirkMcDonald [n=Kirk@pysoy/developer/KirkMcDonald] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:07 -!- Ortzman [n=ortzinat@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:07 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: cw, alexsuraci, rauli, lahl, gyjoe, preflex, mpl, rbancroft, Kindred, mitsuhiko, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:07 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: hcatlin, mycroftiv, scm, bthomson, Guest9880, highb, danopia_, droid001, XenoPhoenix, scoopr, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:07 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: spikebike, KB1JWQ, idemal, dizm, BunzOfSteel, Fraeon, araujo, crashR, catofzen, vegai, (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:08 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: RaoulLeClodo, Gracenotes, scoeri, Altercation, viirya, olegfink, ivan`, GabydeWilde_, nealmcb, Guest64993, (+9 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 23:08 -!- uriel [n=uriel@li43-28.members.linode.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:08 -!- quag [n=quag@121.98.81.61] has joined #go-nuts 23:08 -!- andern [n=NA@55.84-234-230.customer.lyse.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:08 -!- borisc [n=borisc@borisc2.csbnet.se] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- smcq [n=smcq@smcq.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- drhodes [n=none@209-20-72-61.slicehost.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- clip9 [i=tj@12.81-166-62.customer.lyse.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- Pistahh [n=szekeres@mzilikazi.debian.hu] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- exiquio [n=ghost@c-67-164-136-59.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- plexdev [n=plexdev@arthur.espians.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- ericvh [n=ericvh@adsl-69-104-141-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- jajamana [n=jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- pjm0616 [n=user@61.250.113.98] has joined #go-nuts 23:09 -!- yiyus [i=12427124@je.je.je] has joined #go-nuts 23:13 -!- anticw [n=anticw@c-67-169-42-129.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:13 -!- stalled [n=411@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:14 -!- tyr42 [n=tyr_god_@CPE0022b0b261a1-CM0012254318f6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:15 -!- stalled [n=411@unaffiliated/stalled] has joined #go-nuts 23:17 < keesj> well 700k for hello it a big large to start the init project :p 23:23 -!- ShadowIce [i=pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:24 -!- ericfode [i=4a76b12a@gateway/web/freenode/x-rlkamcanfapdpwve] has joined #go-nuts 23:24 -!- Simon [n=chatzill@93-97-187-30.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 23:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6CM1y by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc: const debug bool = false 23:25 -!- bl3u [n=me@24-107-152-12.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:29 -!- deso [n=deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:35 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has quit [] 23:36 -!- vizzord [n=exn@195.49.206.202] has quit [Client Quit] 23:38 -!- sinuhe [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:40 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 23:49 -!- tor7 [n=tor@c-987a71d5.04-50-6c756e10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 23:58 -!- Simon___ [n=chatzill@93-97-187-30.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts --- Log closed Wed Jan 20 00:00:43 2010