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[~Scotopik@124-168-48-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 03:08 -!- sinuhe [~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:14 -!- Fraeon [~kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Fraeon] 03:16 -!- Scotopik [~Scotopik@124-168-48-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #go-nuts [] 03:16 -!- Scotopik [~Scotopik@124-168-48-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 03:17 -!- Scotopik [~Scotopik@124-168-48-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] 03:18 -!- Scotopik [~Scotopik@124-168-48-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 03:18 < Scotopik> Hi, I have an installation problem. Can anyone give me a hand? 03:19 -!- sinuhe [~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:21 < Scotopik> For some reason, fetching the repository works fine 03:21 < Scotopik> but I cd $GOROOT/src and then make all 03:21 < Scotopik> I get make: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. 03:22 < Scotopik> it looks like I don't have a make file in the src directory 03:22 < Scotopik> any ideas? 03:22 -!- monty_hall [~sprague_r@adsl-75-51-97-18.dsl.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:23 < Scotopik> p.s. I'm following this: http://golang.org/doc/install.html 03:23 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-116-179-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 03:24 < Scotopik> Looks like nobody is here 03:24 < Scotopik> :( 03:25 < uriel> Scotopik: you are not in the right dir 03:25 < uriel> echo $GOROOT 03:25 < uriel> do you know what an environment variable is and how they work? 03:29 < Scotopik> yes 03:29 < Scotopik> hi 03:29 < sladegen> not "make all" but "./all.bash" 03:29 < Scotopik> it's set to ~/go/src 03:29 < Scotopik> GOARCH=386 03:29 < Scotopik> GOBIN=/Users/Shane/bin 03:29 < Scotopik> GOOS=darwin 03:29 < Scotopik> GOROOT=/Users/Shane/go 03:30 * sladegen hits Scotopik with a trout. 03:31 < Scotopik> I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean 03:31 < Scotopik> "not "make all" but "./all.bash"" ? 03:32 < Scotopik> cd $GCROOT/src 03:32 < sladegen> run "./all.bash" command inside src 03:32 < sladegen> not make... 03:33 < Scotopik> ah, off it goes :) 03:33 < Scotopik> actually 03:33 < Scotopik> I think I see the issue 03:34 < Scotopik> I was actually using the local help document server from an older version 03:34 < Scotopik> which said to make all 03:34 < Scotopik> but now I see on the actual golang link it is ./all.bash 03:34 < Scotopik> doh 03:34 < Scotopik> user error 03:35 < Scotopik> thanks sladegen :) 03:36 -!- DerGraf_ [~chris@dslb-088-067-086-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:36 < sladegen> np 03:36 < Scotopik> Ah success: 03:36 < Scotopik> "--- cd ../test 03:36 < Scotopik> 0 known bugs; 0 unexpected bugs 03:36 < Scotopik> " 03:36 < Scotopik> :D 03:39 -!- DerGraf [~chris@dslb-088-067-088-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:40 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 03:40 -!- Scotopik [~Scotopik@124-168-48-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 03:50 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com 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Bennit> (the test file outputs 0 known bugs; 0 unexpected bugs) 14:25 < Bennit> where should the compile & link binaries normally go when you execute the all.bash script? 14:28 -!- johan-s [~johan@106.80-203-21.nextgentel.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:35 < Bennit> aha nvm :) found em 14:36 < Bennit> tought my GOBIN env var was where binaries created by 6g file.go were going :p 14:38 -!- wizshah [~wizshah@77.221.236.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:53 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-116-179-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 14:58 -!- zzza [~mat_zzz@ppp121-44-199-49.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:03 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: peace in teh middle east] 15:20 -!- smw [~stephen@30.sub-75-236-14.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:22 < Bennit> any advised tutorials / guides / infopages on metaprogramming in Go? 15:24 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-116-179-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:24 < smw> Bennit: What do you want to do in go? 15:26 < Bennit> just general analysation of the metaprogramming capabilities :)à 15:26 < Bennit> map some examples of other languages to their equivalences in Go 15:28 < smw> Bennit: I had to look it up on google to even know what metaprogramming is... but you should look at the reflect package 15:28 -!- zzza [~mat_zzz@ppp121-44-199-49.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28 < smw> http://golang.org/pkg/reflect/ 15:30 -!- path[l] [~path@59.162.86.164] has quit [Quit: path[l]] 15:30 < Bennit> thanks :)à 15:30 -!- path[l] [~path@59.162.86.164] has joined #go-nuts 15:30 < smw> Bennit: also, if you want a very cool example of reflect in action, check out the xml library http://golang.org/pkg/xml 15:31 < rsaarelm> Metaprogramming often involves programmatically creating new program structures. Reflect package can't really do that. 15:31 < Bennit> indeed, taking a quicksnap on the functions in the reflect package doesn't seem to be what I was hoping for :) 15:31 < Bennit> i'll take a look at your example tough :) 15:33 < rsaarelm> The xml thing inspects existing objects in the system with reflect and figures out an XML structure which matches the object. 15:33 < smw> Bennit: the example is xml.Unmarshal(). 15:34 < rsaarelm> But it can't take an XML file and create a corresponding Go type that hasn't been otherwise written in the program's Go source code, which is one example I'd expect a metaprogramming system to do. Go can't do that. 15:34 -!- erus` [~chatzilla@mailgate.ips-international.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:36 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-116-179-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 15:36 < smw> maybe eval is closer to metaprogramming? (reading wikipedia) 15:37 -!- sinuhe [~sinuhe@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:38 < rsaarelm> Eval would allow metaprogramming, yes. 15:38 -!- crashR [~crasher@codextreme.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:38 -!- mssm [~mssm@ip-95-221-77-208.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 15:39 < Bennit> how do you google decently on Go? :p most results on nomatter what are blogs about either "the new programming language GO has been released" or just about the concept (unrelated to go) 15:39 < Bennit> possibly there simply aren't many records yet about those concepts :p 15:39 < rsaarelm> Also, standardised bytecode platform and dynamic loading, for example. In Java or C#, if you were smart enough you could read an arbitrary XML file, generate a byte code for a type with the corresponding structure and then load that at runtime. 15:40 < rsaarelm> Bennit: There's some discussion at the golang-nuts mailing list. 15:40 < smw> Bennit: I gave up on googling go. I search the mailinglist, read the website, or ask on the irc 15:40 -!- erus` [~chatzilla@mailgate.ips-international.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:41 < rsaarelm> Googling "golang" instead of "go" may also help. 15:41 < Bennit> atm i'm using this: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-search 15:41 < Bennit> which also seems to search the mailing lists 15:53 -!- smw [~stephen@30.sub-75-236-14.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53 -!- smw [~stephen@30.sub-75-236-14.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:54 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:59 < Bennit> it's a bit weird that they compare themselves to python & c++ while python has many more metaprogramming capabilties 15:59 < Bennit> (on first sight) 15:59 * Bennit googles on.. 16:04 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09 -!- Fraeon [~kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Fraeon] 16:13 -!- Fraeon 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Git or SVN log? 19:28 < leonod> gzmask: Thanks, I had a look at IMagick, seems a bit fuzzy (lack of better word) .. Canvas I'll have a look 19:28 < gzmask> definitely try Canvas. it's a dream to use for graphic stuff.https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Canvas 19:30 -!- rrr [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/rrr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:31 < leonod> Actually that was the site I got from google :) 19:39 -!- p4p4_ [~P4p4@248.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:40 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@248.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:40 -!- p4p4_ [~P4p4@248.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8wATT by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- A+C: Giles Lean (individual CLA) 19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8wAUv by [Giles Lean] in go/src/cmd/cc/ -- cc: use "cpp" anywhere in path, not "/bin/cpp" 19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8wAVW by [Giles Lean] in go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: make signature of Umask on OS X, FreeBSD match Linux. 19:44 -!- GoBear [~GoBear@212-123-138-143.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #go-nuts 19:45 -!- GoBear [~GoBear@212-123-138-143.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 19:47 -!- keeto [~keeto@121.54.92.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:53 -!- keeto [~keeto@121.54.92.149] has joined #go-nuts 19:54 -!- rrr [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/rrr] has joined #go-nuts 19:56 < leonod> gzmask: Seems nice. Now I have to figure out how to do go <-> html 19:56 < gzmask> httpd package 19:57 < gzmask> so basically it's a Go program that outputs html and javascript code 19:58 < gzmask> well, later this year it might become Go program that outputs html and native client Go code, who knows ;) 19:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8wH16 by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: fix initialization issue 19:58 -!- crashR [~crasher@codextreme.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:59 < leonod> httpd doesn't seem to be part of the list : http://golang.org/pkg/ 19:59 -!- Astrobe [~opera@153.136.85-79.rev.gaoland.net] has left #go-nuts [] 20:00 < gzmask> my bad, http actually : http://golang.org/pkg/http/ 20:02 < leonod> I thought you meant that, but I was curious if there was another inofficial package 20:06 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.162.138.13] has joined #go-nuts 20:06 -!- KillerX [~anant@145-116-234-40.uilenstede.casema.nl] has joined #go-nuts 20:06 -!- KillerX [~anant@145-116-234-40.uilenstede.casema.nl] has quit [Changing host] 20:06 -!- KillerX [~anant@gentoo/developer/KillerX] has joined #go-nuts 20:06 < no_mind> I am trying to understand the interfaces. When should one create an interface in go ? 20:06 -!- KillerX [~anant@gentoo/developer/KillerX] has left #go-nuts [] 20:10 < leonod> If a type satisfies an interface it allows for methods to operate on the type without knowing the details of it. 20:10 < gzmask> kinda like duck-typing 20:12 < leonod> A good example is : http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html#tmp_265 20:12 < leonod> Check the sort section 20:13 -!- gnuvince [~vince@211.98-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:14 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.151.11] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:14 -!- hooopy [hoopy@173-30-98-140.client.mchsi.com] has left #go-nuts [] 20:15 < leonod> Are there any dynamic types in go like the std vector? 20:16 < leonod> stl* 20:17 -!- TMKCodes [~humma@87-95-75-191.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #go-nuts 20:17 < TMKCodes> Hey what kind of standard library go has? 20:20 < divoxx> TMKCodes: http://golang.org/pkg/ 20:20 < divoxx> that's the standard lib 20:22 -!- FFForever [~Chris@unaffiliated/ffforever] has joined #go-nuts 20:22 < FFForever> Hi 20:22 < FFForever> anyone up for a challenge? 20:23 < TMKCodes> divoxx: Go is almost as fast as c++, so how would be 3d development with Go? 20:23 < FFForever> anyone want to convert this python into go?, http://pastie.org/827539 it is for a challenge 20:24 < gzmask> now Go is not as fast as C++ 20:24 < divoxx> TMKCodes: i don't have the answer for that, but I believe it would have a similar performance 20:24 < divoxx> I'm new to Go, and from what I see it's still under heavy development 20:24 -!- Wiz126 [~Wiz126@72.20.223.239] has quit [] 20:24 < divoxx> so it might be not as stable 20:25 < TMKCodes> yeah i do realize that Go is new language 20:25 < gzmask> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/compare.php?lang=go 20:26 < gzmask> go is about 3 times slower than C 20:26 < divoxx> Yeah it is new, but what I'm saying is that libraries and stuff could change dramatically... I'm not sure how stable things are 20:26 < leonod> I think the google presentation mentioned a number of 20% slower 20:26 < divoxx> probably somebody else could give a more accurate statement about that 20:27 < skelterjohn> divoxx: that link that gzmask pasted, for example 20:27 < divoxx> skelterjohn: the link says about performance 20:28 < divoxx> I'm talking about API stability 20:28 < skelterjohn> my mistake 20:28 < divoxx> np :) 20:28 < skelterjohn> assumed you were referring to the previous message 20:28 < skelterjohn> i think the libraries have some big changes in the future 20:29 < skelterjohn> if templating or exceptions get added to the language, presumably the libraries would be changed to match 20:29 < divoxx> make sense 20:29 < divoxx> I also saw something about generics being added too 20:29 < skelterjohn> templating/generics 20:29 < divoxx> oh ok 20:29 < divoxx> I'm not familiar w/ c++ to know they are similars :) 20:31 < divoxx> I wonder how necessary it is though... I mean, isn't the dynamic interface enough? 20:33 -!- quixoten [~Devin_Chr@c-67-177-8-48.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33 < TMKCodes> Go is quite slow :/ 20:34 < gzmask> For now 20:34 < gzmask> It'll improve 20:34 < TMKCodes> true 20:34 < gzmask> coz it's binary code in the end 20:34 -!- FFForever [~Chris@unaffiliated/ffforever] has left #go-nuts ["Leaving"] 20:35 < smw> gzmask: python is also binary code in the end. 20:35 < gzmask> rly? like javascript V8 kinda JIT binary code or like compiled C binary code? 20:36 < divoxx> I thought python compiled to bytecode 20:36 < divoxx> there are some projects that compiles to C and then to binary but not the off 20:36 < divoxx> *official distr 20:36 < divoxx> afaik 20:36 < smw> I mean that everything EVENTUALLY becomes binary to run 20:36 -!- gnuvince [~vince@211.98-ppp.3menatwork.com] has quit [Quit: What the fruit is goin' on here!?] 20:37 < divoxx> smw: it does, but in runtime :) 20:37 < smw> nm 20:37 < divoxx> hehe 20:37 -!- gnuvince [~vince@211.98-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:37 < gzmask> right... I meant Go compiled to binary code compares to python/ruby 20:37 < smw> my guess is that it will take time to improve. I am sure C was not as fast as it is now when it was first created 20:38 < divoxx> oh, definitely. Doesn't make sense to fine optimize stuff if the changes are they are going to change in the near future 20:39 < divoxx> I'm pretty sure there will be a performance boost after the language/api aspects are more stable 20:39 < TMKCodes> surely there will be. 20:40 < TMKCodes> after that they can use the time on performance 20:41 < divoxx> by the way, is there a rodmap defined? 20:41 < divoxx> *roadmap 20:41 < gzmask> for now I think the major quest of the google folks is to make Go likable to programers like us 20:41 < smw> yep 20:42 < TMKCodes> i 20:42 < TMKCodes> i'm just interested on Go because i love google's systems and it's quite new language 20:42 < TMKCodes> but not sure how well it can do. 20:42 < bortzmeyer> How to get only the IP address from a net.Addr? The only solution I see is to String() it then to parse it with ResolveTCPAddr 20:42 < gzmask> to make Go popular, it needs to promise that it'll give us nice jobs, for example, so they announced native client and chrome OS 20:43 < TMKCodes> gzmask: that's true 20:43 < divoxx> gzmask: Right, but I think that they are more focused on creating a community right now 20:43 < divoxx> to attract open source people that will build good stuff on it 20:43 < divoxx> libraries, frameworks, etc 20:44 < divoxx> create a ecosystem so that people will use it for real 20:44 < gzmask> yup, check github.com out, there are already some beginning works going on from open source folks 20:44 < divoxx> yeap, following a lot of things there :) 20:45 < smw> I am still making pretty stupid stuff with go. I was on a 5 hour train ride and could not find a better use of my time then to make a countdown timer... 20:45 < divoxx> I started working on a database adapter for postgresql following the standard interface people started discussing some time ago on the mail list 20:45 < smw> I wanted to make a nice window to put it in. But I took one look at xgb and said hell no 20:45 < divoxx> also a small web framework 20:45 < divoxx> but I abandoned both because of time 20:45 < gzmask> smw, you can go through every feature of Go in 3 days. check the doc folder inside $GOROOT 20:45 < divoxx> hopefully I'll get back working on it soonish 20:46 < gzmask> divoxx: my daytime job is ruby and javascript. keep messing my mind every time I go back to play Go 20:47 < divoxx> I do ruby too 20:47 < divoxx> a lot 20:47 < TMKCodes> database adapter for Postgresql would be nice. 20:47 < gzmask> must be rails then, divoxx? 20:47 < divoxx> to be honest what most attracted in Go is the dynamic interface thing which is kinda of "static" dynamic typing 20:47 < divoxx> which is awesome 20:48 < divoxx> gzmask: rails too but not just it 20:48 < gzmask> for me it's the GOROUTINE 20:48 < gzmask> divoxx: I don't really like rails. I use ruby for shell scripting :P 20:48 < divoxx> let me rephrase: what first attracted me was the interface thign 20:48 < divoxx> goroutines and a lof of things also got me :) 20:49 < divoxx> gzmask: yeah well I did ruby for 4 years before rails even exist 20:49 < smw> gzmask: what do you mean? All the libraries or go syntax? I have been playing with it enough to know most of the syntax 20:49 < divoxx> and I do a lot of C/Ruby too 20:49 < divoxx> I do rails too, i like it 20:49 < divoxx> but I'm not a "Rails (only) developer" lol 20:49 < gzmask> divoxx: at first rails give good design patterns. after a while, it gets into the way too much + the "Performance" 20:50 < divoxx> agreed 20:50 < divoxx> I'm really liking rails 3 so far though 20:50 < gzmask> haven't played with that yet. what's so cool about it? 20:50 < divoxx> it's much much more flexible 20:50 < divoxx> a more modular API 20:50 < divoxx> pluggable 20:51 < divoxx> so you can choose and use what you want 20:51 < divoxx> lots of improvements 20:51 -!- gnuvince_ [~vince@211.98-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:52 < divoxx> http://guides.rails.info/3_0_release_notes.html 20:52 < gzmask> yea rails now doesn't have nice plugin system. Django folks always told me it's better than rails 20:53 < divoxx> it does now 20:53 -!- gnuvince [~vince@211.98-ppp.3menatwork.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:53 -!- ct2rips [idea_squir@77-21-28-172-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: what would a pirate do?] 20:57 < gzmask> Looks nice divoxx. One thing though, RESTful 20:58 < divoxx> what about it? 20:58 < gzmask> it looks like the internet is moving ahead without RESTful . have you check out websocket? 20:58 < divoxx> websocket and rest are different things man 20:58 < divoxx> HTTP is RESTful 20:59 < gzmask> and HTTP is what makes internet slow, google agree with that too 20:59 < TMKCodes> i agree too 21:00 < gzmask> Google even make an experiment protocol to replace HTTP... what's its name... 21:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8wXcd by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: initialize vars depending on flags after parsing the flags. 21:01 < gzmask> it's spdy 21:01 < divoxx> gzmask: ok, but I don't see that happening so soon that frameworks would use it as a base :) 21:01 < divoxx> we live in a http web 21:01 < TMKCodes> speedy xD 21:01 < gzmask> yes. but now Go have WebSocket built-in 21:02 < gzmask> and that is another reason I am learning Go :> 21:04 < gzmask> once Chrome win the browser war(not likely, long live IE6), Go is going to be a standard language for web developers 21:06 < Eridius> Chrome won't "win" - there will always be healthy competition. But WebKit has pretty much won already 21:06 < TMKCodes> i'm thinking on learning Go, because those guys who built it are thinking on the development speed 21:07 < TMKCodes> gzmask you can do web developement with Go too? 21:07 < gzmask> Call me Google Fanboy, but once googol fulfill native client and Web3D, it will win 21:08 < TMKCodes> ah well, not moving from my lovely PHP :P 21:08 < TMKCodes> well not so soon. 21:08 < gzmask> TMKCodes, not now. but Google promised lots things that is related the web development in Go 21:09 < uriel> TMKCodes: go is quite slow? uhu? based on what? other than the garbage collector Go is quite damned fast for such a young language 21:09 -!- TMKCodes [~humma@87-95-75-191.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10 -!- TMKCodes [~humma@87-95-75-191.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #go-nuts 21:11 < uriel> 21:09 < uriel> TMKCodes: go is quite slow? uhu? based on what? other than the garbage collector Go is quite damned fast for 21:11 < uriel> such a young language 21:11 < uriel> re web dev: golang.org runs on Go, as do a few other sites 21:11 < divoxx> well you can create some web services using the http pkg 21:11 < uriel> and somebody was asking for postgresql access? http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings 21:11 < TMKCodes> Uriel, sorry i'm just used to C speeds so 20% more to it is much to me. :) 21:12 < uriel> TMKCodes: what about you write the code, then benchmark it, profile it, and then make claims 21:12 < uriel> you just said you use php, ugh 21:12 < TMKCodes> i do use php for web developement. 21:13 < gzmask> uriel: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/compare.php?lang=go I know it's not slow.... 21:13 < uriel> and really, most of the performance is related to how you design your programs, and how bloated they are, something like FireFox will be incredibly slow in any language 21:13 < TMKCodes> uriel, i do know that. 21:14 < smw> can someone help me understand what NaCl is? I keep hearing about it, but I have no idea what it is 21:14 < uriel> gzmask: yes, I have seen that, and as russ pointed out in the mailing list, most of the performance hit seen there is due to know library issues which are to be expected until more mature versions of those libraries come up 21:14 < uriel> smw: it is a way to run native x86 code inside a sandbox 21:14 < gzmask> smw: short for native client 21:15 < smw> gzmask: I know what thanks uriel :-) 21:15 < smw> oops 21:15 < smw> lol 21:15 < uriel> heh 21:15 < smw> thanks uriel, and I know what it is short for 21:15 < sladegen> saltbox 21:16 < smw> am I the only one who does not like the idea of websites running code locally? 21:16 * sladegen thought it was nuclear wastes that were often stored in all salt mines... 21:16 < sladegen> s/all/old/ 21:16 < smw> also, would you need it compiled for all types of processors? 21:16 < gzmask> smw: you don't like javascript? 21:16 < uriel> smw: you are not the only one 21:16 < smw> gzmask: well... not so much 21:16 < uriel> smw: but I guess google figured that is the only way to make Wave usable 21:17 < smw> wave uses it? then how come I can use wave in firefox? 21:17 < uriel> js is bad, embeding x86 binaries on web pages would be worse 21:17 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17 < gzmask> without letting "websites running code locally", there is no way ppl will try your application if they don't trust you enough 21:17 < smw> uriel +1 21:17 < uriel> smw: wave doesn't use it, but I'm guessing *if* it used it Wave might have a chance of having acceptable performance on a quad core 21:18 < smw> ok 21:18 < gzmask> that means, if you are a small company, your application won't sell at all 21:18 < uriel> the point of NaCL is that you are supposed to trust that code can't get out of the sandbox 21:18 < uriel> but to me it is not so much a matter of trust as a matter of functionality, I don't want web pages doing random crap, Flash is bad enough as it is 21:18 < gzmask> uriel: yes, exactly and this makes the internet free again 21:18 < uriel> anyway, this is offtopic, sorry 21:19 < smw> uriel: what flash. I do not see any flash (flashblock) 21:19 < gzmask> uriel: flash is doing random crap yes. Javascript with DOM is not random crap. it's still a web page, nicely moving web page 21:20 < uriel> smw: http://venomousporridge.com/post/389785000/a-conversation-i-have-every-month-or-so 21:20 < uriel> gzmask: er, JS with DOM is still totally random fucking things up (eg., links are not links anymore and don't do what links are supposed to do when you middle click them, etc) 21:20 < uriel> but again, this is offtopic 21:21 -!- teedex [~teedex@208.87.58.211] has joined #go-nuts 21:21 < smw> uriel: lmao. and who cares if it is offtopic? it is still programming/computers 21:21 -!- gnuvince_ [~vince@211.98-ppp.3menatwork.com] has quit [Quit: pu de batterie, pis pas de wireless. Sti que c'est d'la marde] 21:21 < smw> uriel: I keep my computer muted for that reason. 21:21 < gzmask> uriel: so what you are expecting would happen when you middle click a link... 21:21 < uriel> yes, but this channel is about go, not about programming/computers 21:22 < uriel> gzmask: whatever I have configured my browser to do when I middle click a link 21:23 < gzmask> uriel: then you mind is completely RESTful, congratz but this year is 2010 21:23 < uriel> yes, it is year whatever, and the world is, like every other year, full of retarded crap, 21:23 < uriel> I don't have to like it 21:24 < uriel> it is 2010 and most people use C++ and java (or worse things), why is anyone here? 21:27 < gammy> uriel: Since when? 21:27 < gammy> Who is "most people" ? 21:27 < gammy> is/are 21:27 < gzmask> c++ sucks. so does java 21:27 < uriel> so does AJAX 21:28 < gzmask> now you do agree AJAX sucks and WebSocket is here to save that... 21:28 < gzmask> and you'll say WebSocket is doing random crap on you client and you don't like it... 21:28 < gammy> hehe 21:29 < leonod> C/C++ has its uses 21:29 < gzmask> so why don't we change all the web page to... you know, TXT 21:29 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-142g7u9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:32 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-142g7u9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33 -!- Gurpartap [~Gurpartap@unaffiliated/gurpartap] has joined #go-nuts 21:34 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.173.224.83] has joined #go-nuts 21:34 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has joined #go-nuts 21:35 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has joined #go-nuts 21:37 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.162.138.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:38 < TMKCodes> by the way, there's no Go compiler for windows? 21:38 -!- skiggles [~Elgarth@cpc1-cmbg2-0-0-cust93.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:40 < gzmask> no. not officially. some dude made one I believe. but you don't need it. Go now is mostly server side/OS programs 21:42 < TMKCodes> k 21:42 < TMKCodes> was just wondering 21:45 < TMKCodes> There's no newbie tutorial to Go? Just the one that explains go for c/c++ coders? 21:46 < divoxx> http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html ? 21:46 < gzmask> check out the 3 days tutorial in the doc folder in $GOROOT 21:47 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8x8mc by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/regexp/ -- The prefix optimization applies only to the first iteration. 21:47 < divoxx> yeah the 3 days tutorial are cool 21:47 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@uawifi-nat-210-24.arizona.edu] has joined #go-nuts 21:47 < xorl> anyone hear anything about os/background? 21:47 < divoxx> there is a link for it on the introduction of http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html 21:50 < uriel> actually, the current go distribution should work on windows 21:50 < uriel> just some of the libraries are missing and the runtime is (IIRC) not complete 21:53 -!- skiggles [~Elgarth@cpc1-cmbg2-0-0-cust93.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:57 -!- GeoBSD [~geobsd@lns-bzn-54-82-251-90-81.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:58 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:f52b:f3e6:a292:5ac2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58 -!- GeoBSD [~geobsd@lns-bzn-60-82-254-241-131.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:01 -!- divoxx [~divoxx@208.87.58.193] has quit [Quit: divoxx] 22:04 -!- SRabbelier [~SRabbelie@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06 < hstimer> What is the best way to talk to a go server if you are defining your own protocol and the client is in c? netchan, srpc? Are there c client libs for these? 22:07 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@uawifi-nat-210-24.arizona.edu] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 22:08 -!- scm [justme@c162033.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:08 -!- GeoBSD [~geobsd@lns-bzn-60-82-254-241-131.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09 < uriel> hstimer: it probably depends on what kind of data and other requirements you have 22:09 < uriel> I'm biased, but I would recommend 9p: http://9p.cat-v.org 22:10 < hstimer> uriel: small messages (<500bytes) some reliable, some not 22:10 -!- scm [justme@c210100.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #go-nuts 22:10 -!- smw [~stephen@30.sub-75-236-14.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:11 < uriel> hstimer: again, it depends on your latency requirements, how the flow is structure, security requirements, etc, etc, etc 22:12 -!- smw [~stephen@30.sub-75-236-14.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:13 < hstimer> uriel: 20 messages/sec per client, no security, low latency (<50ms) 22:14 < hstimer> reliable messages need to not block non-reliable messages 22:14 -!- SRabbelier [~SRabbelie@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 22:14 < hstimer> reliable in order (of course) 22:14 < hstimer> c client code 22:14 < hstimer> go server code 22:16 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:16 < uriel> dunno, I'd use straight tcp, I hate sockets, so I would use something like p9p's dial() (which makes things similar to Go) 22:17 < uriel> http://man.cat-v.org/p9p/3/dial 22:18 < hstimer> cool, I'll take a look at it 22:20 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:d6ac:0:213:e8ff:feaa:ae2b] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:23 -!- gzmask [~gzmask@corwin.cat.uregina.ca] has left #go-nuts [] 22:25 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:38 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:39 -!- leonod [~Andreas@zreahese.hus.sgsnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40 -!- wrtp [~rog@89.240.139.58] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 22:41 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.173.224.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.173.224.83] has joined #go-nuts 22:42 < no_mind> if I make a change in a package, do I need to recompile complete go or can I compile just one package ? 22:43 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 22:44 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@32.97.110.63] has left #go-nuts [] 22:45 -!- smw_ [~stephen@55.sub-75-194-68.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:45 < TMKCodes> i got error with all.bash 22:45 < TMKCodes> http://codepad.org/E0A6D2Gs 22:45 < TMKCodes> anyone can help? 22:47 < no_mind> is it a fresh pull or rebuilding old one ? 22:47 < TMKCodes> fresh pull 22:48 -!- smw [~stephen@30.sub-75-236-14.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:48 < TMKCodes> and codesearch.google.com is not down and my network is not down 22:48 < uriel> TMKCodes: non-issue 22:48 < uriel> ignore it 22:48 < uriel> (or the the CommonProblems page 22:49 < uriel> really, that test should be removed, it just confuses peopel 22:50 < TMKCodes> :/ 22:50 < TMKCodes> so go compiler is working now? 22:51 < uriel> ? 22:51 < uriel> try it 22:52 < TMKCodes> well yeah i'm feeling stupid today. :P 22:57 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-133-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 23:00 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.222.105] has joined #go-nuts 23:01 -!- GabydeWilde_ [~gabydewil@84-104-135-141.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:01 -!- XniX23 [vegy@89-212-10-29.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:02 -!- dju [dju@89-158-236-229.rev.dartybox.com] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:03 -!- GabydeWilde_ [~gabydewil@84-104-135-141.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #go-nuts 23:05 -!- XniX23 [vegy@89-212-10-29.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:06 -!- fenicks [~christian@log77-4-82-246-228-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:07 < fenicks> hello 23:07 < uriel> hi fenicks 23:08 < fenicks> yep, uriel 23:11 < fenicks> what's the good way to read String in os.Stdin ? 23:11 -!- smw_ [~stephen@55.sub-75-194-68.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14 -!- smw_ [~stephen@55.sub-75-194-68.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:15 -!- mssm [~mssm@ip-95-221-77-208.bb.netbynet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:15 -!- mssm [~mssm@95.221.77.208] has joined #go-nuts 23:16 < uriel> 'good way'? 23:17 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:18 < no_mind> what this error means "fatal error: can't find import: httplib" 23:18 < uriel> fenicks: http://golang.org/pkg/os/#File.Read ? 23:19 < uriel> no_mind: probably what it says, that it can't find the httplib package (just guessing) 23:19 -!- General1337 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:19 < dagle> fenicks: ioutils contains some funktions. 23:20 < fenicks> yep, thanks uriel, dagle ; I have found an issu with "bufio.NewReader(os.Stdin)" 23:21 -!- sudi [~chatzilla@dslb-084-056-015-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:22 < no_mind> uriel, how can I fix this ? 23:22 -!- General13372 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:23 < uriel> I have no idea, what are you tyring to build? 23:24 < no_mind> I am building gocouch package from here http://github.com/hoisie/gocouch 23:26 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has joined #go-nuts 23:27 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #go-nuts 23:27 -!- ShadowIce [pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:29 -!- sinuhe [~sinuhe@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8xwix by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: updated documentation 23:40 -!- mssm [~mssm@95.221.77.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:43 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:45 -!- divoxx [~divoxx@208.87.58.193] has joined #go-nuts --- Log closed Wed Feb 17 00:00:08 2010