--- Log opened Wed Feb 24 00:00:15 2010 00:00 < KirkMcDonald> There is a go.vim file in the repository. 00:00 < \0x90\> Kirk, ok, thanks 00:01 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC7D21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:02 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC73F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:16 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@2002:4671:4e0e:0:223:6cff:fe93:c616] has left #go-nuts [] 00:17 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 00:17 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:25 -!- iant [~iant@2620:0:1000:1601:b9dc:4f0c:23eb:9adf] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:26 -!- XenoPhoenix [daca54f09d@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust104.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:28 -!- mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 00:33 -!- OpenSpace 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Quit] 03:36 -!- pjm0616 [~user@61.250.113.98] has joined #go-nuts 03:37 < no_mind> I need an array where I need to add and remove elements. Should I declare an array or a slice ? 03:40 < anticw> it depends 03:40 < anticw> no_mind: what sort of range are you looking at? do you really need to recover the memory 'wasted' when it shrinks? 03:41 < no_mind> I am looking at a range of 10 elements max 03:41 < no_mind> anticw, I am not sure if array can be shrinked or grown 03:42 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:45 < anticw> no 03:46 < anticw> they can't 03:46 < anticw> but... you can build something that can 03:46 < anticw> how you do that depends on your requirements 03:49 < no_mind> my requirements are simple. I need to connect to a SMTP server and store the auth methods supported by the server. 03:54 < anticw> and how many of these are there typically? 03:54 < anticw> i would think 20 in most cases 03:54 < anticw> so allocate a slice of 20 ... if there are more double the size 03:56 < anticw> no_mind: btw, there is container/vector ... but for simple uses i probably wouldn't bother 03:57 < meatmanek> what happens when something tries to send an item through a closed channel? 03:57 < no_mind> anticw, even I want to avoid container/vector 03:57 < meatmanek> does it exit with an error, drop silently, block forever? 04:04 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 04:06 -!- yashi [~yashi@dns1.atmark-techno.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 < anticw> meatmanek: you get a runtime panic/error 04:07 < meatmanek> k 04:09 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.153.1] has joined #go-nuts 04:13 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:13 < meatmanek> also, if I have a function which searches for results and returns them via a channel passed as an argument, is having the caller close the channel a sensible way to signal that the search function should stop searching? 04:16 < anticw> i tend to have the channel close by the supplier of the data in those cases 04:16 < anticw> and the 'rx' goroutine works by doing for msg := range somechannel { // do stuff } 04:19 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:20 -!- yashi [~yashi@dns1.atmark-techno.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:22 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has quit [Quit: I'm outta heee-eere] 04:27 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.163.176.4] has joined #go-nuts 04:27 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.163.176.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28 < meatmanek> yeah, but for example if I wanted the receiving routine to be able to say that it's had enough results 04:29 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 04:30 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.161.208.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:40 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:40 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 04:54 < anticw> meatmanek: the rx routine to signal it's done? how does it know? 04:54 < anticw> meatmanek: what should the supplier do if it has more results? 04:54 < meatmanek> the supplier should discard the excess results and exit 04:54 < meatmanek> or suppliers, because I may have several goroutines supplying results 04:57 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 04:59 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:59 < anticw> meatmanek: you can have them detail failure to send and terminate then 04:59 -!- droid001 [~g1@p4FDCACFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:00 < meatmanek> what do you mean "detail failure to send" 05:00 < anticw> sorry, detect 05:00 < meatmanek> ah 05:00 < meatmanek> how would I do that? 05:01 < d_m> mutt 05:01 < d_m> ooops, sorry 05:02 -!- rrr [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/rrr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:02 < meatmanek> I didn't know anybody still used mutt 05:02 < anticw> mutt is awesome 05:02 < anticw> meatmanek: you can check with closed() 05:03 < meatmanek> k, that's what I was thinking originally =P 05:03 < anticw> also sent := (c <- v) 05:04 < meatmanek> that would also return false if c is full, wouldn't it? 05:04 < meatmanek> er, sent would be false 05:05 < anticw> i think on a closed channel sent will always succeed actually 05:06 < meatmanek> interesting. 05:06 -!- mbarkhau [~koloss@p54A7E653.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:09 < anticw> why not just flag? 05:10 < meatmanek> flag? 05:10 < anticw> set a flag 05:10 < anticw> to tell the senders to stop/abort 05:10 < meatmanek> just a boolean global variable? 05:11 < anticw> that would work 05:11 < anticw> it doesn't have to be global but that's a detail 05:12 < meatmanek> I suppose that could work 05:12 < meatmanek> though actually the supplying routines may be across several files 05:13 < meatmanek> actually I guess not 05:13 < anticw> it doesnt matter if they cross files 05:13 < anticw> and besides, it's a detail ... you could pass a ptr to the flag to the rx goroutines 05:14 < meatmanek> true 05:24 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 05:29 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:29 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:29 < defectiv> what's wrong with line 7? http://pastie.org/840051 05:29 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts ["Leaving"] 05:29 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:29 < defectiv> what's wring with line 7? http://pastie.org/840051 05:30 < plexdev> http://is.gd/93twH by [Rob Pike] in go/ -- add Anh Hai Trinh to C&A 05:30 < plexdev> http://is.gd/93twV by [Anh Hai Trinh] in go/test/chan/ -- Include an Eratosthenesque concurrent prime sieve to go along with the "naive" version. 05:32 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:32 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 05:39 -!- robot12 [~robot12@szhilkin.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:39 -!- robot12 [~robot12@szhilkin.broker.freenet6.net] has left #go-nuts [] 05:52 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 05:59 < defectiv> Chryson solved it. 06:03 < rsaarelm> http://research.swtch.com/2010/02/off-to-races.html Interesting. 06:03 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.163.176.4] has joined #go-nuts 06:03 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:04 < no_mind> is there a function to check if the value of a variable is set or should I use err != nil ? 06:06 -!- appamatto [~anonymous@softbank219056232109.bbtec.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:06 < anticw> err != nil 06:06 < anticw> i assume you mean isset() like PHP? 06:07 < rsaarelm> If the variable is declared, it starts initialized to the zero value of its type. 06:07 < rsaarelm> 0 for numbers, "" for strings, nil for the reference types. 06:08 < anticw> right, there is no equivalent to 'not set' that some languages have 06:08 < rsaarelm> Yeah, you can't refer to nondeclared variables. 06:08 < defectiv> do packages need to have a main? 06:09 < anticw> no 06:09 < anticw> most dont 06:09 < rsaarelm> Not if they are meant to be libraries. 06:09 < rsaarelm> Runnable applications need it, but they can refer to library packages that don't have main. 06:10 -!- Chryson [~Chryson@c-71-60-250-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:10 -!- toni_ [~toni@87-93-136-241.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:11 -!- Macpunk [~macpunk@2002:48b1:1add:0:eee:e6ff:fec7:7eaa] has joined #go-nuts 06:11 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 06:13 < defectiv> this is weird. 06:14 < defectiv> i do 6l on blah.6 and get mainstart: undefined: mainĀ·init 06:14 < defectiv> and mainstart: undefined: mainĀ·main 06:14 < Macpunk> do you have a main and an init function defined? 06:14 < Macpunk> I know it sounds dumb, but just double check :P 06:15 -!- jA_cOp [~yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has joined #go-nuts 06:15 < rsaarelm> Is the package you have the main function in called "main"? 06:15 < defectiv> of course not. 06:15 < rsaarelm> 6l tries to build an application. 06:15 < defectiv> oh 06:15 < rsaarelm> It needs one package called "main" with a main function in it to be around. 06:16 < defectiv> or be imported by something with a main? 06:16 < rsaarelm> It can import other stuff, yes. 06:16 < defectiv> ? 06:16 < defectiv> i said be imported by 06:16 < no_mind> can I pass default values in function calls ? 06:17 < Macpunk> rsaarelm, how does one go about building a package and not an application? 06:17 < no_mind> err, I mean in function deceleration 06:17 < rsaarelm> Macpunk: I use makefiles like the ones in the main source tree. 06:17 < rsaarelm> no_mind: No. 06:17 -!- appamatto [~anonymous@softbank219056232109.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: appamatto] 06:18 < defectiv> that's what i'm trying to figure out. 06:18 < defectiv> ugh, makefiles. 06:18 < rsaarelm> So basically just look into something like src/pkg/math/Makefile and make a similar thing. 06:19 < defectiv> makefiles are just for performance right, not necessary? 06:19 < rsaarelm> The ugly thing with these is that my own packages end up in the $GOROOT tree along with the rest. 06:19 < rsaarelm> Makefiles are just a convenience, you can use a different system to command the compiler. 06:19 < rsaarelm> But I haven't figured out how that works, exatly. 06:19 -!- droid001 [~g1@p4FDCA408.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:20 < defectiv> i thought thi system was called "import" 06:21 < defectiv> omg -- you can use the same package in multiple files?! 06:21 < rsaarelm> If you're making your own package, you need to get it built and deployed where import can find it. 06:21 < defectiv> that means you could extend a package. monkey patching. 06:22 < rsaarelm> I don't think you can after the package has been compiled. 06:23 < defectiv> well no you can't. 06:24 < rsaarelm> And the standard library packages, for example, have already been compiled when you've installed Go, so when you start writing your own code, you can't monkey patch those anymore. 06:24 < defectiv> how do i just compile a package? 06:25 < defectiv> you can recompile them. 06:26 < rsaarelm> If you monkey with a standard library component and recompile it, the changes are going to be there for every subsequent Go programmer using your system's $GOROOT installation. 06:27 < anticw> defectiv: extend them how? you can encapsulate functionality as needed 06:27 < rsaarelm> Which isn't good. 06:29 -!- rhelmer_ [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:36 -!- rhelmer_ [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer_] 06:40 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: slashus2] 06:48 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@11-3.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:51 < no_mind> I am getting an error ; invalid operation: host != nil (type string != nil) ; cant strings be nil ? 06:52 < anticw> no 06:54 < no_mind> so is it safe to assume that all string types will have "" as there initial value ? 06:54 -!- ShadowIce [pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 06:54 < rsaarelm> The zero value for strings is "". 06:54 < rsaarelm> You can get the zero value for any type with *new(type), e.g. *new(string). 06:55 < no_mind> any documentation that mentions zero values for all types ? 06:55 < rsaarelm> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#The_zero_value 06:58 < no_mind> thanks 07:02 < vegai> go seems to be a bit too good at bootstrapping :P 07:02 < vegai> my builds tend to fail if there's an earlier, systemwide installation already in place 07:05 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:16 -!- ollins [~ollins@www.inventage.com] has joined #go-nuts 07:18 -!- idea_squirrel [~ct2rips@77-21-31-147-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 07:21 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23 < defectiv> how do i compile a package? 07:25 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: Write a Makefile. See src/pkg/fmt/Makefile for an example. 07:25 < defectiv> i _have_ to write a makefile? 07:25 < defectiv> that seems a little archaic. 07:26 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 07:26 < KirkMcDonald> It is not like you need to write all of the rules. 07:26 < defectiv> import statements specify dependencies. 07:26 < defectiv> what is the point of a make file? 07:26 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: They specify packages. 07:26 < uriel> what is wrong with Makefiles? it sure beats all the fanci 'smart' build systems I knw of 07:26 < anticw> you dont _NEED_ a makefile ... but often it makes it easier 07:26 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: But there's no particular relationship between a package and the source files which comprise the package. 07:27 < uriel> in any case, there are quite a few build tools for Go: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/dev-utils 07:27 < anticw> that's true for Go and other languages 07:27 < defectiv> but the source files specify their package already. 07:27 < defectiv> what is the point of this extra layer of maintenance/complexity called a Makefile? 07:27 < anticw> Makefiles are useful 07:27 < uriel> again, makefiles are simple and work, if you don't like them there are plenty of alternatives: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/dev-utils 07:27 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: Why write a new tool, when make is there, and its behavior is known, and there is already a body of users who know how it works? 07:28 < defectiv> import is a nice alternative. 07:28 < defectiv> you already have a tool. it's called "import". 07:28 < anticw> it doesnt do the same thing 07:28 < defectiv> you have to do it anyway. 07:28 < defectiv> please explain what value a makefile has. 07:28 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: 'import' is not an alternative to make. 07:28 < anticw> if you think import can replace make, nobody can hopefully explain a makefiles value to you 07:28 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: (Go is not like D.) 07:29 < defectiv> i haven't really used D much. 07:29 < KirkMcDonald> Then forget I mentioned it. 07:29 < defectiv> i'm thinking, i hae a file. i tell it what files to require. 07:29 < uriel> KirkMcDonald: thank god, if I wanted C++--++ I know where to find D 07:29 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: Except you aren't telling it which *source* files to require. 07:29 < defectiv> so what? 07:29 < defectiv> if it has the compiled file, why does it need source? 07:30 < defectiv> does this have to do with symbol tables? 07:30 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: The result of compiling Go code is a package. In order to compile a package, you need to compile all of the source files comprising that package at the same time. 07:31 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: A Makefile, if nothing else, is a convenient way of specifying all of those source files just once, by listing them in a file. 07:31 < defectiv> i'll just assume there's some good reason for that. 07:31 < defectiv> which must have something to do with symbol lookup. 07:31 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: In part. 07:32 < KirkMcDonald> Or perhaps in whole. 07:32 < KirkMcDonald> Really, it's as simple as what I just said. The result of compiling Go is a package, and a package is not complete without all of its parts. (All of its source files.) 07:33 < KirkMcDonald> Given files a.go and b.go, which together define package "foo", a.go doesn't know anything about b.go on its own. 07:33 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:34 < KirkMcDonald> Here's the Makefile from a project of mine: http://code.google.com/p/optparse-go/source/browse/Makefile 07:35 -!- nighty__ [~nighty@210.188.173.245] has joined #go-nuts 07:37 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: You can always just say this, and have done: 6g -o foo.6 *.go 07:37 < KirkMcDonald> Or whatever your package's name is. 07:38 < defectiv> what's the simplest way to concatenate two trings? 07:38 < defectiv> strings 07:38 -!- aho [~nya@f050248008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION] 07:38 < defectiv> string.Join? 07:38 < defectiv> s1 + s2 ? 07:39 -!- nf [~nf@203-158-53-232.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39 -!- nf [~nf@124-168-137-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 07:39 < anticw> effective go + the turorials cover a lot of this 07:39 < anticw> there is even a 1hr (or so) talk that shows some of this 07:40 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: s1 + s2, yes. 07:40 < defectiv> i watched tha whole talk. 07:40 < defectiv> i'm just rusty and i'm trying to write a quick demo for a friend in an email. thx. 07:40 < Macpunk> http://golang.org/pkg/strings/ 07:40 < KirkMcDonald> I recommend just reading the spec, too. 07:41 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.153.1] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:43 < defectiv> i'm reading that already. thx. 07:43 < defectiv> i know all about the site. i just wanted a quick answer for an email i'm writing. 07:48 < no_mind> Go spec says strings are immutable, that means you cant form a string by concating two string ? 07:48 < anticw> you get a new string 07:50 < defectiv> CamelCase is_absolutely_terrible. 07:51 < defectiv> also, Go should use the best thing about Python -- that indenting is semantic. 07:51 < defectiv> other than that, i'm really impressed by it. 07:52 < defectiv> the interfaces concept is beautiful. 07:52 < no_mind> anticw, sorry I cant understand. You mean to say I can concatenate the strings ? 07:53 -!- prudho [~tator@AClermont-Ferrand-158-1-115-4.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 07:53 -!- prudho [~tator@AClermont-Ferrand-158-1-115-4.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #go-nuts [] 07:56 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.34] has quit [Quit: path[l]] 07:58 < anticw> no_mind: if you concat two or more strings, you get another immutable string 07:58 < no_mind> ok 07:58 < defectiv> you aren't changing the input strings. 07:58 < anticw> just like if you add two numbers, you get a third 07:58 < no_mind> no not changing input strings 07:59 < no_mind> want to create a new string with host:port 08:00 < rsaarelm> So host + ":" + port, assuming port is a string, not an integer. fmt.Sprintf("%s:%s", host, port) is probably nicer once you start getting anything beyond just slapping the two strings together, like putting a colon between them. 08:00 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has 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[~christoph@90.146.60.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:28 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@64.134.224.185] has joined #go-nuts 18:31 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:32 -!- tux21b [~christoph@90.146.60.30] has joined #go-nuts 18:37 < leonod> Anyone here tried cairo binding for go ? 18:38 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.153.1] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:44 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@64.134.224.185] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 18:44 < angrydho> someone in here was working on writing it iirc 18:46 < leonod> func foo(flag bar) bool, What does the flag do here? 18:49 < uriel> there seems to be at least one effort according to: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings 18:49 < uriel> (to provide cairo bindings) 18:50 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 18:50 < leonod> uriel: Yes I saw that, downloaded and tried to make it 18:50 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.226.31] has joined #go-nuts 18:50 < leonod> But I had some compile errors 18:52 -!- nanoo [~nano@95-89-189-202-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58 < exch> older packages have a tendency to stop working in newer releases of Go 18:58 < exch> changes in the APIs and compiler 18:58 < exch> i've had to fix my packages a few times already 18:59 < exch> suppose it's to expected for a language in development 19:01 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@38.112.6.110] has joined #go-nuts 19:03 < uriel> probably emailing the author about it is a good idea 19:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/965iH by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of go/src/pkg/go/printer/ -- go/printer: use general comment intersperse mechanism everywhere 19:09 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@38.112.6.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:10 -!- Boggy-B [~rh275@raptor.ukc.ac.uk] has left #go-nuts [" "] 19:12 -!- Demp_ [~Demp@bzq-79-178-26-107.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:12 -!- aho [~nya@g226140121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION] 19:13 -!- Demp [~Demp@bzq-79-183-68-223.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:13 < leonod> Fixed it myself 19:14 < leonod> What has happend in go regarding recursive typing ? 19:15 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-133-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:24 -!- gkelly [~gkelly@probab.ly.gkel.ly] has left #go-nuts [] 19:26 < skelterjohn> what, exactly, is recursive typing? 19:30 < leonod> It may be a made up word by me but: 19:31 < leonod> type a b 19:31 < leonod> type c a 19:31 < leonod> then c is the same as a 19:32 < leonod> "invalid recursive type _C_cairo_matrix_t" 19:32 -!- niekie [~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:34 < uriel> I'm not very awake, but that does not seem recursive 19:34 < uriel> (type a b; type c a) 19:34 < uriel> as for the recursive type error, I have a vague memory of something related to that being changed recently or something 19:34 < uriel> I'd search the mailing list archives 19:35 <+iant> genuinely recursive types are sure to be invalid, though; what could they mean? 19:36 < leonod> well c is a which is b .. rekursive or not it gave a compile error indicating recursive typing 19:36 < skelterjohn> c is a is b is not recursive as the word "recursive" is defined. 19:36 < skelterjohn> c is a is c is recursive 19:36 < skelterjohn> and makes no sense 19:37 < leonod> haha, I didn't decide the error message. Just got it :) 19:37 < skelterjohn> http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=582 19:38 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 19:38 < skelterjohn> perhaps it should have been called "invalid forwardly-defined type" 19:38 -!- toni_ [~toni@87-93-73-82.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #go-nuts 19:38 -!- toni_ [~toni@87-93-73-82.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 19:39 -!- toni_ [~toni@87-93-73-82.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #go-nuts 19:39 -!- tux21b [~christoph@90.146.60.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:39 < skelterjohn> and it's listed as a compiler bug 19:39 < skelterjohn> ohhh - this is related to a bug i first reported in like, december 19:39 < skelterjohn> #287 19:39 -!- TMKCodes [~toni@87-93-10-175.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:40 < skelterjohn> it had to do with having two interfaces refer to each other 19:40 < skelterjohn> a method in interface A that returns a B 19:40 < leonod> Bugg spotting .. the brother of bird spotting 19:40 < skelterjohn> and a method in interface B that returns an A 19:40 < skelterjohn> so there is some recursion 19:40 < skelterjohn> that issue got fixed, though 19:41 < leonod> Well the reported bugg is the same as I had problem with 19:41 < leonod> Apparently there has been some changes regarding this since the cairo stuff didn't compile 19:42 < skelterjohn> hg pull -u? 19:43 < leonod> lots of stuff 19:44 < skelterjohn> ./all.bash? :) 19:44 < leonod> what is the -u flag ? 19:46 < skelterjohn> pull the latest, and then update what you've got to it 19:46 < skelterjohn> equiv to "hg pull;hg update" 19:48 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 19:52 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53 -!- tux21b [~christoph@90.146.60.30] has joined #go-nuts 19:53 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 19:54 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-71-139-219-78.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@151-147.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #go-nuts 20:00 < smw> no_mind: ping 20:01 -!- tav [~tav@78.149.149.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:02 -!- dju [dju@89-158-236-229.rev.dartybox.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02 -!- tav [~tav@78.151.88.199] has joined #go-nuts 20:02 -!- dju [dju@89-158-236-229.rev.dartybox.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:03 -!- dju [dju@89-158-236-229.rev.dartybox.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07 -!- asmo [~asmo@c-f6c5e055.1155-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 20:08 -!- dju [dju@89-158-236-229.rev.dartybox.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:13 -!- niekie [~niek@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has joined #go-nuts 20:19 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.226.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:20 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.226.31] has joined #go-nuts 20:23 -!- exch [~nuada@h144170.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24 -!- exch [~nuada@h144170.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts 20:25 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.226.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:27 -!- callidus [~callidus@cpc5-newc13-2-0-cust449.gate.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:30 -!- erus` [~chatzilla@cpc2-gill2-0-0-cust265.basl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 20:34 -!- samosa [~Miranda@94-194-210-10.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 20:37 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:41 -!- gzmask [~ray@corwin.cat.uregina.ca] has joined #go-nuts 20:44 -!- callidus [~callidus@cpc5-newc13-2-0-cust449.gate.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:48 -!- asmo [~asmo@c-f6c5e055.1155-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49 -!- gzmask [~ray@corwin.cat.uregina.ca] has left #go-nuts [] 20:54 -!- jophish [~jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 20:58 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:59 -!- afurlan [~afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-22-198.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:59 -!- jophish [~jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.226.31] has joined #go-nuts 21:02 -!- jophish [~jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 21:07 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.226.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/96Bi5 by [Robert Griesemer] in 6 subdirs of go/src/pkg/ -- gofmt: don't print ()'s around function-typed results (not needed anymore) 21:26 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@32.97.110.63] has left #go-nuts [] 21:35 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.221.118] has joined #go-nuts 21:38 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40 -!- mssm [~mssm@ip-95-221-71-187.bb.netbynet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:40 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@unaffiliated/ortzinator] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:45 -!- GeoBSD [~geobsd@lns-bzn-31-82-252-241-157.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:52 -!- mssm [~mssm@ip-95-221-94-251.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 21:54 -!- samosa [~Miranda@94-194-210-10.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: samosa] 21:58 < leonod> Anyone here that uses the eclipse go plugin ? 22:01 < skelterjohn> mixing go and eclipse just seems wrong, to 22:01 < skelterjohn> me 22:01 < leonod> Why? 22:04 < uriel> philosophical dysonance 22:05 < anticw> probably cause a tear in the space time continuum 22:05 < uriel> (but then, to me eclipse just seems wrong, period) 22:06 -!- Crash255 [~user@ALyon-157-1-148-82.w90-42.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 22:06 < leonod> So what is the go editor of choice ? 22:06 < uriel> any you like 22:07 < uriel> (or, "it depends who you ask") 22:07 < smw> ooh ooh, I want to start the flame war. I use kate. All others suck 22:07 -!- prip [~foo@host247-123-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:07 -!- Crash255 [~user@ALyon-157-1-148-82.w90-42.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #go-nuts [] 22:08 < skelterjohn> i like to use xcode 22:08 < uriel> I suspect the core team is probably split around equal parts vi, emacs, sam, and acme (well, probably acme it is slightly more popular as it is certain both rob and russ use it) 22:08 < smw> I actually thought it was pretty cool that go includes a kate syntax highlighting file for kate :-) 22:08 < skelterjohn> provides syntax hilighting and function jumping, and a way to click to different files easily 22:09 < skelterjohn> i've never used kate 22:10 < skelterjohn> i don't know anything about it, really 22:10 < uriel> writting code (or anything else) in kate seems about as pleasant as using MS Windows Notepad (which to be fair, is much less painful than something like Eclipse) 22:10 < skelterjohn> eclipse is good for writing java code 22:10 < smw> skelterjohn: it is not special. It is a text editor with highlighting 22:10 < leonod> It's good for C/C++ as well 22:10 < angrydho> smw: as opposed to a kate syntax highlighting file for vim? 22:10 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:10 < skelterjohn> i use eclipse for C++, too, it's true, but only because i'm too lazy to look for anything better 22:11 < smw> angrydho: 2 questions. one what do you mean? and two, why are you angry? 22:12 < uriel> smw: he is not really angry, actually, I guess he is just trying to catch up with my misanthropic anger, but there is little chance of that 22:12 * smw looks up the work misanthropic 22:12 < skelterjohn> you both seem chronically annoyed with certain things 22:12 < skelterjohn> misanthropic = hating people 22:12 -!- Altercation [~Altercati@pdpc/supporter/active/altercation] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:12 < smw> yep (wikipedia is great) 22:12 < leonod> I tend to go for editors that makes sense .. How many people starting vim actually manages to do what they intended to at first use? 22:12 -!- scm [justme@c178171.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:13 -!- Altercation [~Altercati@pdpc/supporter/active/altercation] has joined #go-nuts 22:13 < skelterjohn> whenever i get dumped into vim, i usually have a hard time doing what i want to do: quit 22:13 < skelterjohn> i know it involves a ':' 22:13 < uriel> vim is for people that have nothing better to do with their lives than to spend them fiddling with configuration 22:13 < leonod> :q 22:13 < leonod> :q! 22:13 < angrydho> 17:13 < smw> I actually thought it was pretty cool that go includes a kate syntax highlighting file for kate :-) 22:13 < smw> <esc>:q! 22:13 < smw> that is all I know 22:14 < smw> angrydho: oops, go it 22:14 < angrydho> uriel: i have like 5 lines of config, so false. 22:14 < skelterjohn> i just try to put a -m "" on the commit line, to avoid vim 22:14 -!- scm [justme@d019022.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #go-nuts 22:14 < angrydho> and i'm angry because we've had 50 inches of snow here so far this year 22:14 < angrydho> and they're calling for another 5 tonight. 22:14 < skelterjohn> if it makes you feel better 22:14 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:14 < skelterjohn> i'm getting 2 feet tonight 22:14 < skelterjohn> and i don't own a shovel 22:14 < angrydho> you should get one now. 22:14 < skelterjohn> i use a baking tray to clear out my parking space 22:14 < skelterjohn> maybe i shoudl get one now 22:14 < skelterjohn> lol 22:14 < angrydho> they *will* sell out.; 22:15 < angrydho> from experience 22:15 < uriel> we had more snow than that here, and i loved every cm of it 22:15 < skelterjohn> yeah... 22:15 < skelterjohn> i'm gonna go get one 22:15 < skelterjohn> bbl 22:15 < uriel> but then, my neighbours got a whole collection of shovels that I borrow 22:15 < angrydho> uriel: yes, and you don't live in a place that is completely unprepared to deal with single snowfalls in excess of 100cm. 22:15 < leonod> In Sweden they reported on the news that all showels are sold out 22:15 < angrydho> we had no roads for days. 22:16 < angrydho> and i live in a major us city. 22:16 < uriel> angrydho: hah, I will take a picture of the stair case to my flat, you will see how well prepared for snow it is... 22:16 < angrydho> i'm not talking about your house 22:16 < smw> I am happy with alot of snow. I need to shovel, but I get a snow day. 22:16 < angrydho> we had a snow week 22:16 < angrydho> it was terrible. 22:16 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:16 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:16 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@unaffiliated/ortzinator] has joined #go-nuts 22:16 < skelterjohn> grad student...'snow day' doesn't mean too much 22:16 < angrydho> i shovelled like 4 times 22:16 < angrydho> shoveled even 22:16 < uriel> there are few things more fun than shoveling snow around 22:16 < angrydho> uriel: I can think of one off the top of my head 22:16 < skelterjohn> i don't mind, when i have an actual shove 22:16 < skelterjohn> l 22:17 < skelterjohn> i'm a solid fellow 22:17 < smw> skelterjohn: well, us high schoolers like snowdays :-P 22:17 < angrydho> `not shoveling snow around' 22:17 -!- d3xter [~3e2feae0@gateway/web/freenode/x-pxxcsfzuyhjxieoc] has joined #go-nuts 22:17 -!- homiziado [~ernestofr@78.130.17.230.rev.optimus.pt] has joined #go-nuts 22:17 < angrydho> I still have blisters from it 22:17 < smw> angrydho: shoveling is not that bad. What state are you from? 22:17 -!- tux21b [~christoph@90.146.60.30] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:17 -!- d3xter [~3e2feae0@gateway/web/freenode/x-pxxcsfzuyhjxieoc] has left #go-nuts [] 22:18 < angrydho> I've lived in upstate new york, and I live in Baltimore now. 22:18 < skelterjohn> here in nj we typically get one shovel-worthy snow per year 22:18 < skelterjohn> this year has had a lot more snow than the past several 22:18 -!- Cyprien__ [Cyprien@64-94.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #go-nuts 22:18 < angrydho> I had to shovel 40+ inches of snow. 22:18 -!- vdrab [~vdrab@cap006-236.kcn.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 22:18 < angrydho> in an alley barely big enough to fit a car through to get my car out. 22:18 < angrydho> with nowhere to put the snow :P 22:18 < skelterjohn> on top of the car! 22:18 < skelterjohn> anyway, time to go shopping 22:18 < skelterjohn> bbl 22:18 < smw> angrydho: that sucks 22:18 < angrydho> yeah it was not fun 22:19 -!- eliteSchaf [~sinz@62-47-234-224.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #go-nuts 22:19 < leonod> Pour gasoline on the snow and melt it 22:19 <+iant> Use a hair dryer 22:19 < angrydho> this storm was worse than any I experienced in NY 22:19 < angrydho> iant: lol 22:19 < eliteSchaf> hey guys 22:19 < smw> angrydho: I had the same problem 22:19 < leonod> hey 22:19 < smw> hi eliteSchaf 22:19 < angrydho> anyway 22:19 < angrydho> so, we're getting more snow, and I am unhappy. 22:20 < eliteSchaf> does anyone know, whether it is intended that os.Exec checks wether envv is nil and os.ForkExec does not? 22:20 < eliteSchaf> s/wether/whether 22:20 < angrydho> i'm pretty sure that this winter we've had over 80 inches 22:20 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 22:20 -!- prip [~foo@host163-122-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 22:20 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@151-147.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:22 < leonod> eliteSchaf: You killed the chat with that question :) (I don't know) 22:22 <+iant> Al Gore is having some trouble with his weather control machine 22:22 < eliteSchaf> i'm sorry about that :) 22:22 < uriel> wow, amount of snow doubled in 6 minutes? impressive 22:22 < eliteSchaf> btw this winter we had about 60 inches in 3 days ;) 22:22 < leonod> Insane 22:23 < smw> iant: we live in a day and age where even the weather is political... 22:23 <+iant> eliteSchaf: I don't know why os.ForkExec does not check 22:23 < eliteSchaf> yes, buts thats the alps 22:24 <+iant> Sorry, didn't mean to be political, I've just always seen Al Gore as a James Bond villian "I will turn up the temperature on the planet unless you pay me ONE MILLION DOLLARS" 22:24 <+iant> quite aside from the truth of what he is saying, I think he would be great in that role 22:24 < smw> iant: I don't mind. I agree with you 22:25 < smw> iant: the weather is supposed to be the one subject that is not political 22:25 < leonod> But if politics affect the weather then what? 22:26 < smw> that would be scary 22:26 < leonod> Then maybe it is :) 22:26 < eliteSchaf> then we would have a nuclear winter ;) 22:28 -!- fgb [~fgb@190.246.85.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30 < leonod> "One million dollars" .. hehe that's about how much he has made during the time he drinks water during his speeches 22:34 -!- homiziado [~ernestofr@78.130.17.230.rev.optimus.pt] has quit [Quit: homiziado] 22:36 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43 -!- jophish [~jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43 < leonod> Night guys 22:43 -!- leonod [~Andreas@zreahese.hus.sgsnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:46 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: tav, Wiz126, skelterjohn, droid001, jA_cOp, rhelmer, mbarkhau 22:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mbarkhau, tav, Wiz126, skelterjohn, rhelmer, droid001, jA_cOp 22:49 -!- stalled [~411@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:50 -!- stalled [~411@unaffiliated/stalled] has joined #go-nuts 22:52 -!- toni_ [~toni@87-93-73-82.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53 -!- TMKCodes [~toni@87-93-73-82.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #go-nuts 23:01 -!- idea_squirrel [~ct2rips@77-21-31-147-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03 -!- ShadowIce [pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:04 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.163.176.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:07 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:11 -!- wrtp [~rog@89.242.205.202] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 23:11 -!- eliteSchaf [~sinz@62-47-234-224.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/96Z75 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/http/ -- http: fix handling of Close, use Close in http.Post 23:15 -!- General13372 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:16 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-71-139-219-78.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 23:18 -!- sinuhe [~sinuhe@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:19 -!- General1337 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:21 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-171-141.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 23:23 -!- Xurix [~Luixsia@AToulouse-254-1-43-69.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 23:23 -!- meatmanek_ [~meatmanek@192.5.109.49] has joined #go-nuts 23:29 -!- Aniya [ircap@186.140.206.193] has joined #go-nuts 23:38 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@254-251.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #go-nuts 23:42 -!- Cyprien__ [Cyprien@64-94.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:42 -!- Cyprien__ [Cyprien@18-106.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #go-nuts 23:43 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-71-139-219-78.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:44 -!- meatmanek_ [~meatmanek@192.5.109.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:45 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@254-251.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:48 -!- Aniya [ircap@186.140.206.193] has quit [] 23:49 -!- meatmanek_ [~meatmanek@izanagi.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu] has joined #go-nuts 23:50 -!- vdrab [~vdrab@cap006-236.kcn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: vdrab] --- Log closed Thu Feb 25 00:00:16 2010