--- Log opened Wed Mar 03 00:00:19 2010 00:00 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:01 -!- saracen [~saracen@goto.fiveturns.org] has joined #go-nuts 00:05 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC6484.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:05 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-71-139-219-78.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 00:05 -!- tux21b [~christoph@90.146.60.30] has joined #go-nuts 00:05 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.162.227.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:11 -!- nettok [~netto@proxy.galileo.edu] has joined #go-nuts 00:13 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-dijercniohhevywo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:15 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has joined #go-nuts 00:16 -!- tux21b [~christoph@90.146.60.30] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:17 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@38.112.6.110] has joined #go-nuts 00:18 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.173.238.190] has joined #go-nuts 00:21 -!- monty_hall [~sprague_r@adsl-99-40-250-203.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.105.209] has joined #go-nuts 00:37 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 00:38 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:42 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@233-5.107-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:42 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.136.142.90] has joined #go-nuts 00:42 -!- monty_hall [~sprague_r@adsl-99-40-250-203.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:44 -!- kota1111 [~kota1111@gw2.kbmj.jp] has joined #go-nuts 00:45 -!- defectiv [~clays@75.101.111.19] has joined #go-nuts 00:46 < defectiv> can i create an interface on e.g. an integer? 00:47 < uriel> not sure what you mean, but you can define your own type based on an int, and define your own methods for it 00:47 -!- Venom_bbl [~pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Venom_bbl] 00:47 < defectiv> no, i mean making an interface for an integer. 00:48 < uriel> i have no clue what you mean 00:48 < defectiv> so you know about go interfaces i'm sure. 00:48 < uriel> once you create a type YourInt, you can define any methods for it that you like 00:49 < defectiv> i'm not talking about creating a new type 00:49 < uriel> and that will mean it implements whatever interfaces that are satisfied by those mehtods 00:49 < defectiv> i'm talking about creating a new interface, for which an int implements that interface 00:49 <+iant> the builtin type int has no methods 00:49 < defectiv> are interfaces only based on methods, not on properties? 00:49 <+iant> so it only satisfies the empty interface 00:49 <+iant> yes 00:49 < defectiv> argh. 00:50 < defectiv> so i have to make a struct that has an int that stores the int i'm wrapping for my own type? 00:50 <+iant> or you can define your own type (type MyInt int) 00:50 < defectiv> so i can do like my_int(4).times(func(index){do some stuff}) 00:50 <+iant> which is what uriel was suggesting 00:50 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 00:50 < defectiv> oh, you can? 00:51 < defectiv> but then you have to say MyInt(5).blah right? 00:51 < defectiv> you can't just treat 5 as a MyInt 00:51 <+iant> right 00:51 < defectiv> fair enough. 00:51 < defectiv> i just realized that Go actually does let you do something functionally semi-equivalent to the open classes that ruby has. 00:52 < defectiv> in ruby, say you have some ORM class, and you want to to be able to have it do write-through caching. 00:52 < defectiv> Rails has a plugin, made by twitter, that changes the ActiveRecord classes to make this possible. you don't have to change any of your code to have your own classes inherit from their class. their code literally just changes the ActiveRecord class, so it's a "drop in" solution. 00:53 < defectiv> but that's very dynamic and "dangerous" and what not. 00:53 < defectiv> With Go, it seems that you could just pull in some package that provides the alternative functionality, and then included it with the same name as the original one. 00:53 < defectiv> so then it just transparently works with your existing code, but implements the new improved functionality with no further rewrites. 00:54 < defectiv> that's pretty freaking exciting, and is a good refutation of the notion that you need dynamic languages to achieve that kind of flexibility. 00:54 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@38.112.6.110] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 00:55 < uriel> Go has the neat useful side of things, without the insane ridiculous shit that casues things like: 00:55 < uriel> irb(main):003:0> ''.methods.length 00:55 < uriel> => 176 00:56 < defectiv> well, sorry, that's freaking awesome. 00:56 < defectiv> it kills me that Go doesn't have a methods method 00:57 < defectiv> and go seems way slower to develop. but i'm starting to think that makes up for itself in performance and maintainability. 00:57 < defectiv> you never have to ask how the hell something is getting defined. you can see it getting called via a namespace -- the package name 00:57 < uriel> there is reflection to figure out what methods a type implements 00:57 < defectiv> oh? 00:57 < KirkMcDonald> Personally I view Ruby's insane dynamicity as its primary weakness... but then, I come here from Python. 00:58 < defectiv> probably the one big thing i'm frustrated about is the makefile stuff. argh. i don't get why it's needed. it seems to be a huge burden on productivity. 00:58 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: It is not so huge. 00:58 < defectiv> oh ruby is so vastly much more elegant than python. :) 00:58 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: You basically just need to list the source files which comprise a package. 00:58 < uriel> KirkMcDonald: Python has similar issues, just not as accute, I have seen almost as hideous amounts of monkey patching in python as in ruby 00:59 < uriel> (but I agree in ruby it is more widespread and even encouraged) 00:59 < KirkMcDonald> The difference, as I see it, is that suck trickery is furiously proscribed by most Python users. 00:59 < KirkMcDonald> s/suck/such/ 00:59 < uriel> defectiv: if you don't like makefiles, don't use them, what is the problem? 00:59 < defectiv> i think probably the best thing about ruby is the convention to use underscores instead of camel case. the best thing about python is the semantic indenting. 00:59 < defectiv> i thought you had to use them to make a package work. is it just an optimization? 01:00 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: It is entirely possible to compile a package "manually." 01:00 < defectiv> ah. silly me. 01:00 < KirkMcDonald> E.g.: 6g -o main.6 *.go && 6l -o binary main.6 01:00 < defectiv> yeah i could swear i did that once. then i came in here recently asking for help compiling a package i was writing for fun, and someone told me i needed a makefile. and i thought, "well that sucks" 01:00 < uriel> Go doesn't care how you build your code, makefiles are just a simple solution, feel free to use whatever you like 01:01 < KirkMcDonald> Writing a Makefile is by far easier than fidding about with the compiler manually. 01:01 < defectiv> i thought the solution was to use import. 01:01 < uriel> there are quite a few go-specific build tools (many of them written in Go): http://go-lang.cat-v.org/dev-utils 01:01 < KirkMcDonald> And a correct Makefile will just consist of a couple of includes, the name of the package, and a list of source files. 01:01 < defectiv> it would be nice if the compiler would just compile dependencies for you automagically. 01:01 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: Imports import packages. 01:01 < defectiv> yup. 01:01 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: A package is comprised of one or more source files. 01:02 < KirkMcDonald> defectiv: There is no particular way to know, given the import of a package, which source files this refers to. 01:02 < defectiv> and it would be absurd to go looking through a bunch of files to read them all to see what package they are part of, eh? i guess that makes sense. 01:02 < defectiv> i would sort of prefer that each package is one file, but maybe that's limiting. 01:02 < KirkMcDonald> D does this. 01:02 < KirkMcDonald> And it actually works reasonably well. 01:02 < uriel> defectiv: again, see the link I pasted, some of thsoe tools pick your dependencies for you 01:02 < uriel> s/pick/build/ 01:03 < defectiv> i ran into D before Go, but i think Go is a lot more elegant and fun to use. and compiles insanely fast of course. 01:03 < defectiv> oh, cool. 01:03 < KirkMcDonald> D is also quite fast to compile. 01:03 < uriel> D is also quite ridiculously complex 01:03 < KirkMcDonald> The difference here is that D and Go both have a reasonably well-defined and well-designed grammar, where (say) C++ does not. 01:03 < defectiv> yup. :) 01:04 < defectiv> we need a complied language that's as sane as python 01:04 < defectiv> seems like Go does this. 01:05 < defectiv> now what i need is Rails/Django analog for Go 01:06 < uriel> python is not sane 01:06 < uriel> see metaclasses 01:06 < KirkMcDonald> A Go equivalent to WSGI could be interesting... although the http package is probably already a reasonable interface. 01:06 < defectiv> it's relatively sane. it's not PHP or Java. 01:06 < uriel> (and unicode support in python is a nightmare 01:06 < defectiv> for god's sake. 01:07 < KirkMcDonald> uriel: What? It is? 01:07 -!- b00m_chef__ [~watr@d64-180-45-230.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:07 < KirkMcDonald> Python's unicode support is actually quite good. 01:07 < uriel> defectiv: fuck, even COBOL was better than PHP or Java, so Id on't see your point 01:07 < uriel> it is absolutely awful 01:07 < defectiv> heh. you are a tough customer. 01:07 < KirkMcDonald> uriel: How so? 01:08 < defectiv> what about JavaScript? i think JavaScript is actually pretty brilliant. 01:10 < uriel> scheme with a bunch of bizarre random shit dropped on top? well, I guess it could be worse, indeed 01:10 < uriel> (re js) 01:10 < defectiv> well, the way i can chain things together and pass around functions as parameters is pretty powerful. same reason i love ruby, especially blocks. 01:13 < uriel> again, ever heard of scheme? 01:17 < defectiv> i took a scheme class in college. 01:17 < defectiv> it's a funtional language. don't really see much similarity with js 01:17 < defectiv> more like xslt or haskell to me. 01:18 < defectiv> xslt is pretty great in some ways, but it's non-additive (can't be concatenated seemlessly like e.g. JS) and way too verbose. 01:19 < Gracenotes> JavaScript's syntax makes using it functionally pretty fun. Scheme... not so much for me. 01:20 < uriel> xslt is one of the worst abominations from hell ever seen 01:21 < defectiv> well, i used it extensively, and i think it's pretty amazing in a lot of ways. again, it's too verbose, not fun to program, etc. but it's remarkably consistent and useful. 01:23 < Gracenotes> the existence of xslt, if nothing else, is the argument for a better web development toolchain. ouch, really :| 01:24 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.105.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9zfhs by [Robert Griesemer] in 5 subdirs of go/src/ -- gofmt: fix alignment of multi-line var declarations 01:25 -!- mechko [~mechko@149.43.98.47] has joined #go-nuts 01:29 -!- Sufrostico [~sufrostic@unaffiliated/Sufrostico] has joined #go-nuts 01:32 -!- sjbrown_ [~sjbrown@dsl081-072-059.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35 < defectiv> right. we need client-side templating. 01:36 < defectiv> xpath is totally amazing. 01:36 -!- defectiv [~clays@75.101.111.19] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:51 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has quit [Quit: hstimer] 01:52 -!- quixoten [~Devin_Chr@c-67-177-8-48.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:53 -!- nettok [~netto@proxy.galileo.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:54 -!- mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- diltsman_ [~diltsman@75.141.230.81] has joined #go-nuts 02:04 -!- diltsman_ [~diltsman@75.141.230.81] has quit [Client Quit] 02:06 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06 -!- JoelJ [~joel@128.187.146.83] has joined #go-nuts 02:09 < JoelJ> hellp 02:09 < JoelJ> hello* :) 02:11 < JoelJ> is there anyone here? 02:12 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 02:14 -!- MarkBao [~MarkBao@64.134.96.99] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:16 < Archwyrm> JoelJ: Hi 02:16 < JoelJ> hello 02:16 < JoelJ> I was just looking through the Go website 02:17 < JoelJ> trying to find if it says anything about linking to C or C++ libraries 02:17 < JoelJ> and didn't see anything 02:17 < JoelJ> is there a way to do that? 02:17 < Archwyrm> SWIG bindings are in the works for C++, but it is not possible yet. 02:17 < Archwyrm> For C you use gccgo 02:17 < Archwyrm> Err, cgo 02:17 < JoelJ> ok, cool 02:17 < Archwyrm> Sorry 02:17 < JoelJ> no problem 02:18 < JoelJ> is there any documentation or anything on doing this? 02:18 -!- quixoten [~Devin_Chr@c-67-177-8-48.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19 < Archwyrm> JoelJ: Yeah, have a look here http://code.google.com/p/go/source/browse/misc/cgo/gmp/gmp.go 02:19 < JoelJ> thank you much 02:19 < Archwyrm> No problem 02:20 < Archwyrm> Keep in mind that you *can* use C++ code if you write a C API for it. 02:26 -!- Sufrostico [~sufrostic@unaffiliated/Sufrostico] has left #go-nuts [] 02:30 -!- rhelmer_ [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-88-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:33 -!- MarkBao [~MarkBao@pool-173-76-27-66.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:36 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 02:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9zuf8 by [Ken Thompson] in 5 subdirs of go/ -- more on type complex. 02:47 -!- jA_cOp [~yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has joined #go-nuts 02:48 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has quit [Quit: I'm outta heee-eere] 02:51 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@128.189.92.103] has joined #go-nuts 02:52 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has quit [Quit: carllerche] 02:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9zxyc by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/test/ -- test: fix 386 build (missing complex) 02:58 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 03:22 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.151.6] has joined #go-nuts 03:23 -!- mechko [~mechko@149.43.98.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:30 -!- mechko [~mechko@149.43.184.207] has joined #go-nuts 03:37 -!- MarkBao [~MarkBao@pool-173-76-27-66.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: MarkBao] 03:39 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #go-nuts 03:40 -!- LordOfTheNoobs [~user@74-132-116-253.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:43 < LordOfTheNoobs> I've managed to get this thing so that a function returning a tuple of values from a map lookup will fmt.Print( t.Get(key) ) as {<nil> true} , but doing a v, b := t.Get(key) ; fmt.Print( v , b ) yields <nil> false. I'm not depending on that ( turned up while testing things ), but I thought it looked odd enough to warrant looking into. 03:49 < Eridius> LordOfTheNoobs: what's t.Get() ? 03:50 -!- mechko [~mechko@149.43.184.207] has quit [Quit: grawr] 03:51 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 03:51 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:52 < LordOfTheNoobs> Hold on, the source is short, I'll post it somewhere 03:55 < LordOfTheNoobs> http://pastebin.com/yNTn95zQ 03:57 < LordOfTheNoobs> I'm messing around with the interface{} generics using a key value wrapper over map. The fmt.Print {<nil> true} looks like an error. 03:58 -!- yatoo [~marcus@host86-160-77-91.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:58 < anticw> fmt.Printf("%T %#v\n", v, v) 03:58 < anticw> and what do you get? 03:59 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-145-189.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-145-189.net.novis.pt] has joined #go-nuts 04:01 < LordOfTheNoobs> anticw: segfaults printing the interface value. 04:01 < anticw> is this a recent go? 04:02 < LordOfTheNoobs> Pulled it yesterday. I'll update and see if the problem remains. 04:03 < anticw> that's recent enough 04:03 < anticw> v is nil then? 04:06 < LordOfTheNoobs> Yes. The map is newly make(map[interface{}]interface{})'ed. I was pulling non-existant entries to see how it reacts when I found the abberation. 04:06 < LordOfTheNoobs> The source is in the pastebin, if you want to look. 04:07 < LordOfTheNoobs> Or see if its just me :) 04:07 < anticw> that's not valid :-) 04:07 < anticw> for a map 04:07 < anticw> i wouldn't expect that to compile 04:08 < anticw> i'm wrong, re-reading the spec i guess it is valid 04:09 < anticw> but it's not clear to me it's implemented 04:10 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:62ea:197d:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has joined #go-nuts 04:10 < hstimer> what is this syntax about: 04:10 < hstimer> Version int "optional,explicit,default:1,tag:0" 04:10 < LordOfTheNoobs> I'm waiting for gcc to finish grinding out a new 8g for me. If I've found a legitimate bug I'll just go post it to the tracker. 04:14 < LordOfTheNoobs> Yeah, the new pull is acting weird too. Thanks anticw, I'll go file a bug. 04:17 -!- Len__ [~Len@77.126.183.153] has joined #go-nuts 04:18 -!- Len_ [~Len@87.70.4.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:20 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@c-69-181-129-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:29 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9zOZf by [Stephen Ma] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net: correct DNS configuration 04:35 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-104-177.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 04:37 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38 -!- rhelmer_ [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-88-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer_] 04:38 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 04:41 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-88-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:43 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:45 -!- ogh [~ogh@denksoft.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:46 -!- nighty__ [~nighty@210.188.173.245] has joined #go-nuts 04:47 -!- ogh [~ogh@denksoft.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #go-nuts 04:50 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@128.189.92.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:51 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #go-nuts 04:57 -!- robot12 [~robot12@robot12.kgts.ru] has joined #go-nuts 04:59 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC490A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:01 -!- LordOfTh` [~user@74-132-116-253.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:02 -!- Zarathu [zarathu@srv01.whitepaperclip.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:03 -!- Zarathu [zarathu@srv01.whitepaperclip.com] has left #go-nuts [] 05:05 -!- LordOfTheNoobs [~user@74-132-116-253.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:06 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-145-189.net.novis.pt] has left #go-nuts [] 05:07 -!- sw4 [~sw@193.126.212.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:08 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:09 -!- sw4 [~sw@193.126.212.28] has joined #go-nuts 05:15 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:23 -!- Chryson [~joel@c-71-60-250-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:25 -!- Someguy77 [~Someguy77@60-240-92-182.tpgi.com.au] has joined #go-nuts 05:30 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:30 < hdon> anyone using golang to develop games yet? 05:30 < hdon> the duck-typing seems *perfect* for game development 05:31 < hdon> perhaps the goroutines and channels can even be useful for game developers to parallelize their software 05:43 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:45 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 05:49 -!- droid001 [~g1@p4FDC99CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:57 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.151.6] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:22 < KirkMcDonald> Are there OpenGL bindings yet? 06:22 < KirkMcDonald> Also all the other bindings you'd need. 06:22 < no_mind> is GO planning to participate in GSoC ? 06:23 < anticw> KirkMcDonald: there are some limited gl/glu bindings i think 06:27 -!- sjbrown_ [~sjbrown@c-69-181-182-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:29 < hdon> well there is SWIG which could be used to generate bindings, no? 06:29 * hdon wonders what the state of SWIG Go module is 06:30 < anticw> having used swig to create python bindings in the past i'm not that excited by it myself 06:32 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.136.142.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:35 <+iant> Weren't we just talking about the state of Go in SWIG? 06:35 <+iant> It's in progress 06:37 < anticw> define 'we' 06:38 < anticw> people come and go, and not everyone has scrollback, so some repeatition is going to happen 06:38 <+iant> sure, but I thought hdon specifically was talking about it.... 06:38 <+iant> that is, hdon and me 06:38 <+iant> but perhaps I misremember 06:39 < anticw> silly q that someone brought up, i dont have a good answer for this 06:39 < anticw> T.(int) works to case T to an int 06:39 < hdon> iant, well you said it was unfinished but in progress. i also have a SWIG module unfinished but in progress, but there's certainly more to it than that ;) 06:39 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:39 < anticw> but T.(*T2) is required if T2 is an interface 06:40 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:40 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 06:40 < anticw> why is the * required? 06:40 < hdon> can i use my SWIG module for OpenGL? yes. but not a lot of other things. opengl was just oen of my early goals 06:40 <+iant> anticw: sorry, I missed part of what you said when pidgin crashed 06:40 < anticw> http://github.com/banthar/Go-OpenGL 06:41 < anticw> iant: basically you can cast an interface type to an int by doing T.(int) 06:41 < anticw> sometimes though you need to use T.(*T2) though 06:41 <+iant> You need to use the exact type that is stored in the interface 06:41 < anticw> well, if T2 is an interface you need (*T2) 06:42 < anticw> my code works, but only out of habit from seeing examples early on ... i never thought hard about it 06:42 <+iant> it would depend on whether the value stored in the interface has pointer methods or value methods 06:42 * hdon checks out banthar's works 06:44 -!- LordOfTh` [~user@74-132-116-253.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45 < hdon> iant, imho, last i checked, pidgin was a rather poor IRC client. i'd consider switching 06:45 -!- chickamade [~chickamad@113.190.179.230] has joined #go-nuts 06:45 <+iant> It's convenient for me to support the different protocols (AIM, Jabber, IRC, etc.) in a single client 06:46 <+iant> it actually never used to crash until a recent Ubuntu update, so I expect that somebody broke something 06:46 < anticw> bitlbee works albeit also somewhat sucky 06:47 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-88-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 06:48 < anticw> iant: is using runtime.Semaphore really to be avoided? 06:52 < KirkMcDonald> anticw: I think you are confused regarding the type assertion syntax. 06:56 < anticw> no, it's what iant said ... looking over more code i see sometimes pointer types are used 06:59 -!- ShadowIce [pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 07:05 -!- chickamade [~chickamad@113.190.179.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:07 < rsaarelm> hdon: re. games in Go, I'm using it to write a roguelike. 07:07 < hdon> rsaarelm, :D 07:08 < rsaarelm> Not making much use of the duck typing though. Ended up doing a kind of component system instead. 07:09 < Archwyrm> rsaarelm: I don't suppose you have publicly available source yet? 07:09 < rsaarelm> http://github.com/rsaarelm/teratogen 07:09 < Archwyrm> Cool =) 07:10 < Archwyrm> I too was thinking about writing games in Go and started prototyping with a roguelike. Haven't gotten very far yet though. 07:11 < Archwyrm> And yes, I think components are the way to.. uh.. go. 07:11 < Archwyrm> (pun not intended, I swear) 07:11 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: slashus2] 07:12 < hdon> rsaarelm, could you elaborate on "component system?" 07:12 < rsaarelm> It's inspired by this article among others: http://cowboyprogramming.com/2007/01/05/evolve-your-heirachy/ 07:13 * hdon clicks 07:13 < rsaarelm> Basically the game objects are just guid int values. Then there's a component manager that associates various types of component objects with the game object guid, and these describe what the game object can do. 07:13 < Archwyrm> rsaarelm: Yeah, that is a good article. 07:14 < rsaarelm> My component system base is at the pkg/hyades/entity subdir. 07:14 < rsaarelm> Not sure how understandable the source there is. 07:16 < Archwyrm> rsaarelm: You are using SDL, eh? 07:18 < Archwyrm> I was recently happy to discover bindings for ncurses. I thought I would have to write some myself. 07:18 < rsaarelm> Yeah, rolled my own bindings. 07:19 < Archwyrm> Ah, ok. 07:19 < rsaarelm> I was going for something that's similar to exp.draw.Context for the SDL interfac. 07:19 < rsaarelm> That implements it, actually. 07:19 < Archwyrm> Nice 07:20 < rsaarelm> It's probably not good for a general-purpose binding, since the design was mostly "make it do the stuff I need right now." 07:21 < Archwyrm> Yeah, that was the same thing that I was planning. 07:24 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has joined #go-nuts 07:24 < rsaarelm> I did make an extra function for blitting SDL surfaces. As far as I figured out, the idiom in exp/draw is to draw pixel-by-pixel via the draw.Image interface. Which would be kinda slow. 07:25 < Archwyrm> rsaarelm: I don't suppose you have looked at these http://github.com/banthar/Go-SDL 07:25 < Archwyrm> Ah, yeah. 07:25 -!- meatmanek [~meatmanek@mesingw.student.cwru.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:27 -!- Someguy77 [~Someguy77@60-240-92-182.tpgi.com.au] has left #go-nuts [] 07:29 < rsaarelm> I did, back in November or December. There were two SDL binding projects, and I wasn't sure about the stability of either, so I ended up doing my own. 07:29 -!- Rajko [bitrot@cable-188-2-205-37.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #go-nuts 07:29 < Rajko> how do this 07:31 < Archwyrm> rsaarelm: It's hard to count on much being stable at the moment, so I guess you have an advantage in already knowing the binding code in case you need to fix it up. 07:32 < rsaarelm> Of course it might have been more productive to start using the existing bindings and contribute fixes I come up with there. 07:32 < Archwyrm> True 07:41 -!- path[l]_ [~path@122.167.245.104] has joined #go-nuts 07:41 -!- trickie [~trickie@94.100.112.225] has joined #go-nuts 07:42 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-88-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:43 -!- path[l] [~path@122.167.245.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:47 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9AnUB by [Stephen Ma] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net: fix network timeout boundary condition. 07:47 -!- 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I never do it that way..... oh 17:49 -!- pshahmumbai [~prashant@58.146.97.172] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:50 -!- path[l] [~path@122.167.245.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:50 < exch> saves you from doing some unneeded typing 17:51 -!- Cyprien_ [~Cyprien@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:52 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-171-12.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: m1ndwarp] 17:56 < hstimer> In a struct when you see a string after a type, it that something that gets picked up by reflection? does it have any default uses other than that? 17:56 < hstimer> UniqueId asn1.BitString "optional,tag:1" 17:57 <+iant> right, it's a tag which is accessible using the reflection library 17:57 <+iant> the default is to have no tag 17:57 < hstimer> any default meanings? 17:57 <+iant> no 17:57 < hstimer> any built in meanings? 17:57 <+iant> http://research.swtch.com/2009/12/data-structures-go-programs.html 17:57 <+iant> no 17:57 < anticw> how internally does reflection determine types? 17:57 < anticw> address alloction pools/ 17:58 < anticw> ? 17:58 <+iant> when you store a value in an interface, the compiler automatically stores the type of the value 17:58 < hstimer> can it be used to decorate variables too? or just definitions? 17:58 <+iant> this is a *runtime.commonType 17:58 <+iant> hstimer: tags only go on struct fields 17:58 <+iant> anticw: the reflection library works by accepting a value of interface type and then pulling out the type 18:00 < anticw> iant: but if i have a slice, i don't have something tagging that slice as type 0x123, i just have len, cap, base and elements 18:00 -!- nanoo [~nano@95-89-189-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:01 < anticw> iant: so given &something how does it internally infer the type ? 18:01 <+iant> anticw: sure, but the compiler knows the type of that slice 18:01 < anticw> so the type information is passed about? 18:01 <+iant> so if you write code which stores the slice into an interface value, the compiler knows the type to store in the interface 18:01 <+iant> whenever you assign a value to an interface, the compiler knows the type of the value, by definition 18:02 <+iant> so it knows the type store in the interface value 18:03 < anticw> i see: 0005 (type1.go:4) MOVQ $type.int+0(SB),(SP) 18:03 < anticw> then a call to the runtime.ifaceT2E 18:04 < hstimer> back quote literals -- so there is no way to include a back quote in a back quote literal? 18:04 < anticw> so storage for "interface{}" would typically be 4 bytes + sizeof(ptr) 18:05 < anticw> iant: gccgo probably produces easier code to eyeball, does objdump -S work correctly for -g -O0 generated code? (i'm assuming yes) 18:06 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:06 < ct529> do you know whether it is possible to interface GO and R? 18:07 < anticw> out of the box right now, i doubt it 18:07 <+iant> anticw: storage for interface{} is two pointers, yes 18:07 <+iant> hstimer: right, you can't put a backquote in a raw string literal 18:07 < anticw> iant: why two pointers? surely you could get away with a type-id which could be a 32-bit int 18:07 < anticw> rather than a pointer to type information 18:08 < ct529> anticw: not out of the box .... I was wondering if anyone had written one? 18:08 < anticw> i dont think so, uriel maintains a partial list of public projects, check there 18:08 < hstimer> why not just support some kind of "here" document so there isn't a literal limitation? 18:08 <+iant> anticw: we could, but why not use a pointer to type information? since the interface has a pointer anyhow, it wants to be aligned on pointer boundary, so those extra bytes are not going to be used for anything else in practice 18:08 < anticw> iant: all the world is x86 :-) you can mostly ignore alignment on modern CPUs and they deal pretty well 18:08 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-pmdkgaebfhlehmim] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09 < ct529> the other question is .... I understand go can be easily run on multicore .... but I wonder if the same syntax is extensible for processors on different machines, eventually machines that are connected on a network 18:09 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-cqjqyprfhhpuncpw] has joined #go-nuts 18:09 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 18:09 < anticw> iant: all the world is x86 :-) you can mostly ignore alignment on modern CPUs and they deal pretty well 18:09 * anticw hands iant some wet-string as a better network connection 18:09 < hstimer> anticw: alignment is everything with GPUs and they are becoming more important, not less 18:09 <+iant> no, you can ignore alignment on x86, and even then it hurts performance 18:10 <+iant> you can't ignore alignment on, say, ARM 18:10 < anticw> i'm was trolling a little 18:10 < anticw> i di embedded mips work, i know mis-alignment sucks horribly for a lot of stuff 18:11 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-171-141.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 18:11 < anticw> iant: are things naturally aligned? i assume you want to avoid the two parts of an interface straddling a cache-line or worse page boundary? 18:11 <+iant> for 6g/8g I think everything is aligned on a pointer boundary 18:12 <+iant> for gccgo they are naturally aligned up to some size, I forget what exactly 18:16 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-171-12.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:17 < hstimer> iant: thanks for your article on tags. I now understand what template and asn1 are doing -- not black magic at all 18:17 -!- pentarex [~pentarex@91.139.196.20] has joined #go-nuts 18:17 < pentarex> hey guys 18:18 < pentarex> I am new in Programming - where I can download book for GO for beginners 18:18 < pentarex> ? 18:21 <+iant> pentarex: there is no book, what documentation there is can be found at http://golang.org/ 18:22 -!- MrMackenzie [~Shane@cpc1-midd10-0-0-cust945.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:23 < pentarex> iant: 10x 18:25 -!- pentarex [~pentarex@91.139.196.20] has left #go-nuts ["Leaving"] 18:27 -!- hevalbaranov [~hevalbara@88.242.213.162] has joined #go-nuts 18:27 -!- Xera` [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 18:30 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:38 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.173.230.87] has joined #go-nuts 18:40 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.173.238.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:45 < dagle> Is any intressting work being done with Generics in go? 18:46 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:47 -!- ct529 [~quassel@77-44-78-159.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51 -!- Chryson [~joel@gbg-wireless-pittnet-105-23.net.pitt.edu] has joined #go-nuts 18:59 -!- gnuvince [~vince@64.235.199.141] has quit [Quit: What the fruit is goin' on here!?] 19:00 -!- gnuvince [~vince@70.35.170.200] has joined #go-nuts 19:01 -!- robot12 [~robot12@inferno.kgts.ru] has joined #go-nuts 19:04 -!- mbarkhau [~koloss@dslb-084-059-152-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 -!- hurtonm [~hurtonm@adsl-dyn9.91-127-60.t-com.sk] has joined #go-nuts 19:18 -!- path[l] [~path@122.167.244.232] has joined #go-nuts 19:20 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176104111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-59-29.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:40 -!- Chryson [~joel@gbg-wireless-pittnet-105-23.net.pitt.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41 -!- hevalbaranov [~hevalbara@88.242.213.162] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.3] 19:47 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@81.62.52.100] has joined #go-nuts 19:50 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@70.90.170.37] has joined #go-nuts 19:57 -!- iggy2 [~user@mulder.f5.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:59 -!- jhnx [~bd7305b5@gateway/web/freenode/x-eioacxtcmtmgvkqp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:07 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-171-12.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:15 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-162-22.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:16 < uriel> dagle: as far as I can tell few people that actually have used Go have felt a great need for generics 20:23 < dagle> uriel: I don't have any realy need for it in my code atm either but for more complex datatypes it could be nice for being able to reuse them in a safer way. 20:25 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has joined #go-nuts 20:25 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:32 < uriel> I'm not sure what stops you from reusing complex datatypes...(and yes, I'm well aware of many hypothetical cases, I'm asking about cases people have actualy run into while writting code in Go) 20:33 < dagle> I like it to be more static typed. It's a matter of opinion. 20:39 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.226.119] has joined #go-nuts 20:41 -!- MrMackenzie [~Shane@cpc1-midd10-0-0-cust945.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:41 -!- leonod [~Andreas@zreahese.hus.sgsnet.se] has joined #go-nuts 20:41 < leonod> hey guys 20:41 -!- Cyprien_ [Cyprien@81.62.52.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9CWXl by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/encoding/binary/ -- encoding/binary: fix error reporting bug 20:47 -!- ptolomy2 [~chatzilla@2002:4c7e:af5b:0:21e:52ff:fe74:be18] has joined #go-nuts 20:47 < gzmask> how do I put my main.go file with func main() into my Makefile? 20:48 -!- ptolomy2 [~chatzilla@2002:4c7e:af5b:0:21e:52ff:fe74:be18] has quit [Client Quit] 20:48 -!- ptolomy2 [~chatzilla@2002:4c7e:af5b:0:21e:52ff:fe74:be18] has joined #go-nuts 20:48 -!- MrMackenzie [~Shane@cpc1-midd10-0-0-cust945.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:49 -!- robot12 [~robot12@inferno.kgts.ru] has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 20:52 < gzmask> sorry the question should be: how do I specify my output executable file in Makefile? 20:53 -!- m1ndwarp_ [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-137-190.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:53 < KirkMcDonald> gzmask: TARG=binary_name, and include Make.cmd. 20:53 < KirkMcDonald> gzmask: See e.g. src/cmd/cgo/Makefile 20:55 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-162-22.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55 -!- asmo [~asmo@c-f6c5e055.1155-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55 -!- hurtonm [~hurtonm@adsl-dyn9.91-127-60.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 20:56 -!- nanooo [~nano@95-89-189-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:56 -!- jalmeida [~jalmeida@c9340a2e.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 20:57 < gzmask> cool it works, thanks KirkMcDonald. 20:59 -!- nanoo [~nano@95-89-189-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:00 -!- afurlan [~afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01 -!- nanooo [~nano@95-89-189-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.173.230.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 21:20 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.173.228.58] has joined #go-nuts 21:22 -!- iggy2 [~user@mulder.f5.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22 -!- Demp [~Demp@bzq-79-176-42-3.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 21:25 -!- Demp [~Demp@bzq-79-176-42-3.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:31 -!- user_ [~user@mulder.f5.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:33 -!- m1ndwarp_ [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-153-184.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:33 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-137-190.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:41 -!- mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 21:44 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 21:52 -!- XniX23 [vegy@89-212-10-29.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:54 -!- gr1b [~gr1b@c-71-58-106-62.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:58 -!- gr1b [~gr1b@c-71-58-106-62.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:03 -!- leonod [~Andreas@zreahese.hus.sgsnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:09 -!- General13372 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:09 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@xdsl-78-35-153-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: m1ndwarp] 22:09 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 22:10 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:11 -!- Rajko [bitrot@cable-188-2-205-37.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:12 -!- Rajko [Rajko@wan.rajkonet.info] has joined #go-nuts 22:12 -!- General1337 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17 -!- scm [justme@d019100.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18 -!- scm [justme@c178084.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #go-nuts 22:21 -!- jophish [~jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 22:21 -!- gzmask [~ray@corwin.cat.uregina.ca] has left #go-nuts [] 22:26 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:27 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-171-141.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 22:33 -!- Adys [~Adys@athedsl-350193.home.otenet.gr] has joined #go-nuts 22:33 -!- Adys [~Adys@athedsl-350193.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 22:33 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #go-nuts 22:37 -!- MrMackenzie [~Shane@cpc1-midd10-0-0-cust945.midd.cable.ntl.com] has left #go-nuts [] 22:41 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:42 < anticw> why is complex part of the spec? wouldn't it make more sense to leave it as a specific implementation option and see how it goes? 22:46 -!- franksalim [~frank@adsl-75-61-84-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:53 -!- ShadowIce [pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:57 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 22:58 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:01 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has joined #go-nuts 23:02 < sladegen> it must be nukular fizicists mafia! 23:03 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has left #go-nuts [] 23:03 -!- wrtp [~rog@89.242.205.202] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 23:07 -!- mbarkhau [~koloss@dslb-084-059-152-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@32.97.110.63] has left #go-nuts [] 23:16 -!- rrr [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/rrr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19 -!- jophish [~jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:28 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has joined #go-nuts 23:28 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has left #go-nuts [] 23:39 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:39 -!- Rajko [Rajko@wan.rajkonet.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39 -!- Rajko [Rajko@wan.rajkonet.info] has joined #go-nuts 23:42 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@p5B0612B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 -!- mssm [~mssm@ip-95-221-89-154.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 23:48 < fenicks> yep, guys, I have done my first program in GO. If you have any feedback about anything in my code, do it. It could help me to masterise GO programming : http://go.pastie.org/private/v3qa4ustalkkxnsknmoeuw 23:49 < smw> fenicks: not a valid url 23:51 < fenicks> and now : http://go.pastie.org/852689 23:52 < fenicks> I use socket, signal, file, exception but I don't know if I use them well. 23:55 < dagle> fenicks: What does the program do? --- Log closed Thu Mar 04 00:00:19 2010