--- Log opened Sun Mar 07 00:00:21 2010
00:01 < uriel> hstimer: use json
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00:02 < uriel> (there is a PB implementation, nagg google to release it)
00:02 < exch> I've been studying protocl buffers for a bit and I honestly
can't decide whether to be happy or cry
00:02 < hstimer> uriel: I need something a bit higher performance than json
00:03 < uriel> hstimer: what are you doing?
00:04 < hstimer> lots of numerical data moving around a cluster
00:05 < hstimer> going back and forth into and out of text is unwanted
overhead
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00:05 < exch> fair enough
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00:12 < uriel> hstimer: well, then I'd use either gob or nagg google again
about PB
00:12 < uriel> (or you could implement Thrift ;) (if nobody has done so
already))
00:13 < hstimer> gob looks slow because of the reflection
00:13 < uriel> define 'slow', have you used it and profiled it?
00:13 < hstimer> and it is Go only -- I don't want to have to implement gob
elsewhere
00:14 < uriel> well, that is a good reason
00:15 < uriel> as I said, then you should ask for PB, the implementation
exists, it just has not been released for absolutely unkown reasons
00:15 < hstimer> yes...  very strange that it hasn't
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00:17 < uriel> specially given that the reasons I have heard from googlers
made zero sense (they said it would be part of the next PB release, but the PB
maintainer said the next PB release will be c++ only and that even python and java
will be pushed out-of-tree)
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00:18 < uriel> maybe nickjohnson knows more, he wanted PB in Go, and is at
Google, he must have been able to figure out WTF is going on...  ;)
00:19 < hstimer> it appears that they are only officially supporting c++,
but there are plenty of other non-google implementations
http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/wiki/ThirdPartyAddOns
00:20 < uriel> hstimer: yes, but the reason I have heard why the go
implementatio was not released was that it would be part of the next official PB
release, or something like that
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00:20 < hstimer> given that Go is a static language, it seems like building
PB into the compiler would be a better fit than gob
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00:21 < hstimer> of course it is so easy to parse Go that it doesn't really
need to be in the compiler
00:22 < hstimer> (I don't want to write PB files, I just want to annotate my
structures and have the PB processor pick it up)
00:23 < uriel> rob had some plans for PB and Go, I'm not sure what they
were, or if part of the reason the existing PB implementation has not been
released is that it is being replaced with Rob's new ideas...
00:24 < hstimer> of course if you write the .proto file, it can be picked up
by the other languages....  maybe the Go PB processor could output a .proto from
the annotations in the go code
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01:51 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9R10D by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/src/pkg/regexp/ -- regexp: add ReplaceAllFunc and ReplaceAllStringFunc
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05:32 < ak2> how do i write code to read a text file line by line?
05:32 < ak2> is there any existing package that i can use?
05:32 < ak2> or i'll need to implement it from ground up?
05:32 < anticw> bufio
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05:38 < ak2> anticw: is there a way to read line by line?
05:38 < anticw> yes
05:38 < anticw> did you check the docs?
05:39 < ak2> i'm reading them right now
05:39 < anticw> hint: ReadString('\n')
05:40 < ak2> yeah..  got it
05:40 < ak2> thanks
05:40 < ak2> anticw: what package to use for string processing?  tokenizing?
05:42 < anticw> to do what?
05:42 < anticw> just read lines or split them up?
05:43 < ak2> read lines and split them up
05:43 < ak2> "This is a line" -> ["This
05:43 < ak2> ["This", "is","a","line"]
05:43 < ak2> Essentially trying to do this for ints and not strings
05:44 < anticw> strings.Split
05:45 < ak2> ok
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05:57 < ak2> anticw: so, i need to use ioutil to ReadFile
05:57 < ak2> and then use the byte[] with the bufio?
05:57 < anticw> no
05:57 < ak2> i cant figure out how to open a file
05:58 < anticw> os.Open
05:58 < anticw> to get buffered IO for ReadString se bufio.NewReader
05:58 < ak2> oh
05:58 < ak2> ok
06:06 < anticw> ak2: want an example?
06:06 < ak2> that'll be helpful
06:08 < anticw> http://stupidest.org/Go/ak2_1.go
06:09 < anticw> it's actually arguable possible to get a valid string and
error code/eof at the same time
06:09 < anticw> im not sure any of the libraries do this, but if you wanted
to be robust you would have to check for that
06:09 < ak2> ok
06:09 < anticw> iant: actually, result, err := SomeFoo()
06:09 < anticw> iant: what is the idomatic behavior there?
06:10 < ak2> thanks for the example..  i'm trying it now
06:10 < kmeyer> anticw: probably want fatal() to exit as well
06:10 < anticw> ah right
06:10 < anticw> it should, i just did that now so well, it's probably got
other issues
06:10 < kmeyer> right
06:11 < anticw> fixed
06:11 < kmeyer> no point overanalyzing quick demo code :P
06:11 < anticw> well, it should be correct
06:11 < kmeyer> I guess
06:11 < anticw> i was going to make some more details docs / FAQ stuff
actually
06:11 < kmeyer> that sounds like a great idea
06:12 < anticw> i have probably 50-100 snippets of test code and examples
ive done i should probably just clean up and put out there
06:12 < kmeyer> cool
06:13 < kmeyer> I've only fairly recently started taking a serious look at
Go, so I can't say I've built up a large corpus of useful, 'correct' code
06:13 < anticw> oh, i never said it was correct :-)
06:13 < kmeyer> But a nice FAQ / reference would be really neat
06:14 < anticw> but i see a lot of questions here, so a reference for basic
questions and maybe a Go for Python Programmers
06:14 < anticw> or something
06:14 < anticw> there seem to be a lot of those
06:14 < kmeyer> (Though, the Go tutorial / Effective Go are a nicely
comprehensive starting point)
06:14 < anticw> Effective Go is excellent
06:14 < kmeyer> Go for X (insert Python, Java, etc.) ;)
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06:15 < anticw> I'll do Python / C ...  someone else can do Java
06:18 < anticw> ak2: the other question i see here i was expecting was how
to convert a string to an int
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06:27 < kmeyer> I'd be happy to do some translation of such a FAQ into Java
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06:38 < rsaarelm> Anyone else get "imported and not used" for bytes, io,
utf8 in src/pkg/regexp/all_test.go when running all.bash in current hg tip
(5005:0b7cedc4de63)?
06:39 < anticw> no, but i have a modified tree
06:40 < anticw> prob strings.Bytes or similar fallout
06:40 < rsaarelm> Doing make.bash instead of all.bash skips the tests so I
can still install.
06:40 < kmeyer> rsaarelm: I get it
06:40 < kmeyer> amd64
06:40 < rsaarelm> amd64 here too.
06:41 < kmeyer> but I didn't, as recently as earlier today
06:41 < anticw> ok, let me post a fix
06:41 < anticw> gimme like 30s
06:41 < rsaarelm> The tip commit adds the problem packages to the unit test.
06:42 < anticw> try: hg clpatch @264041
06:42 < anticw> maybe w/o the @ ...  forget now
06:42 < kmeyer> I think it's without @
06:43 < kmeyer> I was reading those docs earlier today as well ;)
06:43 < rsaarelm> My hg doesn't understand clpatch.
06:43 < anticw> do you have the extension enabled?
06:43 < kmeyer> do you have the .hg/hgrc set up with...
06:43 < kmeyer> yeah, that.
06:43 < rsaarelm> Probably not.  I don't really know hg very well.
06:44 < anticw> check $REPO/.hg/hgrc for [extensions]
06:44 < anticw> do you have that?
06:44 < rsaarelm> No.
06:44 < anticw> add (adjust path to suit)
06:44 < anticw> [extensions]
06:44 < anticw> codereview =
/home/cw/wk/go/go.hg/lib/codereview/codereview.py
06:45 < anticw> for some reason hg on the mac doesn't put that in, but on
linux for me it does
06:45 < anticw> prob hg version dependant
06:45 < rsaarelm> Yeah, there's the docs in the contributing page, I
remember now.
06:45 < rsaarelm> And using linux hg.
06:46 < anticw> you can also wget + patch manually
06:47 < rsaarelm> Probably better.  Clpatch wanted my login info for some
reason even though it's just supposed to be downloading the patch.
06:48 < rsaarelm> http://codereview.appspot.com/264041 then.
06:48 < anticw> umm, let me check
06:48 < anticw> you can just yank those import lines fwiw
06:48 < anticw> http://codereview.appspot.com/download/issue264041_2001.diff
06:48 < rsaarelm> I can pretty much just do that by hant.
06:48 < anticw> patch -p1 < issue264041_2001.diff
06:48 < rsaarelm> hand.
06:49 < rsaarelm> But still, it's good to get practice running patches.
06:50 < rsaarelm> I wonder how the original commit got through, isn't the
plugin supposed to run unit tests before a successful commit?
06:50 < kmeyer> don't think so
06:50 < kmeyer> just checks you're on tip and the formatting is good
06:50 < rsaarelm> Ah.
06:51 < rsaarelm> It does take long enough to run the test that it would
break coding flow.
06:51 < anticw> dunno, i dont much like the code review / submission process
myself
06:51 < rsaarelm> Anyway, the patch worked, thanks.
06:51 < anticw> but it's tolerable and they're not gonna change it just
because it bugs me :-)
06:56 < kmeyer> Yeah -- some of the structures around go wouldn't be my
first choice, but the enforced consistancy is really nice IMO
06:56 < kmeyer> (e.g.  gofmt, the commit process, etc)
06:59 < rsaarelm> I like gofmt.
07:00 < rsaarelm> It gets rid of a bunch of decision-making and busywork
that doesn't help the actual programming much.
07:00 < kmeyer> well, it's not so much gofmt that isn't my first choice --
it's the location of opening braces, and the tab indenting
07:00 < kmeyer> otherwise, I love it
07:00 < kmeyer> but I'll take the consistancy any day
07:03 < rsaarelm> I don't like tab indenting when done by humans, mostly
because it almost always ends up a mixture of tabs and spaces that's bad from any
viewpoint.
07:03 < rsaarelm> But gofmt can stick to indenting only with tabs and only
indenting with tabs.
07:03 < anticw> nah
07:03 < anticw> it's fine
07:03 < anticw> the problem is people use crappy editors
07:04 < anticw> we have a lot of python code at work and you can tell which
editor people used by looking at it
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09:02 < ak2> anticw: yes, thats the next thing..  i'm going to try it
tomorrow..  are you going to be around to help?  :)
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12:37 < The_Cog> I just compiled Hello World.  It works but the executable
is 600k!  Is this normal?
12:40 < JBeshir> Go programs built using 6g are compiled statically, so they
have a close-to-fixed overhead for the runtime and at least used parts of the
standard library.
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12:41 < The_Cog> OK, thanks.  I'll get on with plsying with it.
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14:58 < anticw> ak2: prob not
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15:08 < samitheberber> what would be wrong, when this test fails: --- FAIL:
os_test.TestChdirAndGetwd Open /: open /: permission denied
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15:09 < samitheberber> I don't have some rights on my root-dir, but it
shouldn't need to
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15:13 < uriel> samitheberber: what OS are you on?
15:14 < uriel> and ls -ld /
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15:15 < samitheberber> uriel: I have 64 bit linux OS
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15:16 < samitheberber> but why does the test needs permission to read my
/-dir?
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15:16 < samitheberber> ls -ld /: drwx--x--x 21 root root 4096 5.3.  10:49 /
15:19 < uriel> because assuming / is readable is quite reasonable
15:19 < uriel> are there any *nix systems that make / non-world-readable?
15:20 < uriel> (maybe using . instead of / for the test suite would be a
better choice, but still using / is certainly not crazy)
15:20 < samitheberber> just my own
15:20 < uriel> well, then fix it
15:20 < uriel> chmod +r /
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16:41 < anticw> ak2: i have to run, wrt to your question this might answer
it: http://stupidest.org/Go/ak2_2.go
16:42 < anticw> if not others here will help or post to the list, i'll bb in
12 hours or so
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17:25 < The_Cog> I notice that the whole program dies if the initial thread
exits.  I can count the goroutines I start, and have them signal back when done,
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17:26 < The_Cog> but each child would also have to track its own children
too.  Is there an idiomatic way to prevent profram exit until everybody has
finished?
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19:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9U3qr by [Christopher Wedgwood] in
go/src/pkg/regexp/ -- regex: Remove unneeded imports from test.
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20:07 < samfuqua> are there any plans to write graphics libraries for go?
20:10 < uriel> samfuqua: there are graphics libraries for go
20:10 < uriel> samfuqua: http://golang.org/pkg/xgb/
http://golang.org/pkg/exp/draw/
20:11 < uriel> and also see: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
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21:19 < ak2> anticw: thanks for the example..  i'm looking at it now
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22:16 < tty> hi there.  i am giving Go a try but when i enter "./all.bash"
during the installation it returns "$GOBIN is not a directory or does not exist"
22:16 < tty> any tips?
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22:17 < tty> (Note: Mac OS X here)
22:17 < Archwyrm> tty: Have you exported all the environment variables?
22:17 < Archwyrm> Including GOBIN
22:18 < tty> i have addes these lines in my .bash_profile
22:18 < tty> export GOROOT=$HOME/go
22:18 < tty> export GOOS=darwin
22:18 < tty> export GOARCH=amd64
22:18 < tty> export GOBIN=$HOME/gobin
22:18 < tty> export PATH=$PATH:$GOBIN
22:19 < Archwyrm> Have you made $HOME/gobin ?
22:19 < usausa> tty, have you sourced your ~/.bash_profile since you added
the lines?
22:20 < tty> Archwyrm: no.  i thought it would create that dir by itself
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22:20 < Archwyrm> tty: Nope, it needs to exist.
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22:21 < tty> so i need to create a dir inside my home dir.  along with the
"go" dir created when i checked out the repo?
22:22 < usausa> tty, yes
22:22 < Archwyrm> tty: Yeah, or if you already have a directory for your own
executables, you can use that.
22:22 < tty> ok.it seems to be working now
22:22 < tty> thanks ;)
22:22 < Archwyrm> I use ~/.local/bin for a lot of stuff
22:23 < tty> gobin is ok for now.  i am only testing Go for the moment
22:23 < Archwyrm> Ok, have fun.  =)
22:23 < tty> :D
22:23 < tty> i am sure i will :)
22:24 < usausa> tty, just after it told you that it was not a directory or
did not exist it should have said "create it, or set $GOBIN differently"
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22:26 < tty> yes it did.  and that was very obvious and the next thing i
would do but i just thought it would create that dir by itself and i thought i
have been doing something wrong.
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