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00:01 <+iant> hstimer: the problem is that a good min/max implementation
requires generics
00:02 <+iant> well, one could write them using interfaces and type switches,
I suppose
00:02 < hstimer> heh
00:03 < hstimer> so generics are coming?  or are we going to add them?  or
are we going to continue to let everyone redefine min/max?
00:03 < hstimer> of course if you make them built-in then you can make them
good
00:03 < hstimer> fudge the compiler and one off the min/max templates
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00:05 < hstimer> btw - I'm not missing exceptions, but I am missing being
able to stick my error reporting code on a single line
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00:05 < hstimer> if err != nil { log.Crash(err) } is 3 lines, which kind of
sucks
00:06 < hstimer> once gofmt is done with it
00:06 < Nitro> Hi! Is there a way to check if a file/directory exists other
than by trying to open it with os.Open ?
00:06 < hstimer> os.Dir.Lstat
00:07 < hstimer> or os.Dir.Stat
00:08 < Nitro> Will try it.  Thanks !
00:08 < hstimer> back to errors, it would be nice to be able to have single
line error reporting code:
00:08 < hstimer> return err if err != nil
00:08 < hstimer> and
00:08 < hstimer> abort err if err != nil
00:09 < hstimer> allowing the return and abort to start a statement could
signal gofmt to keep on single line
00:10 < dagle> if err != nil { return err } , is that really that bad?
00:12 < hstimer> my io code (network and filesystem) is visually about 2/3
error reporting code.  I would prefer to collapse the 3 lines (minimum) that gofmt
turns it into, down to 1 line
00:13 < hstimer> we could just change gofmt.  that works too
00:13 < dagle> So you don't like that gofmt expands your code?
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00:14 < hstimer> in this particular case, but not in general.  it is just
that this case happens frequently
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00:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLawO by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/src/cmd/goinstall/ -- goinstall doc: fix link to godashboard/package
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01:24 < brx> Hello.  Assuming I had two interfaces T1 and T2, where T1's
method set is a subset of T2's, would T1 and T2 be assignment compatible (from T2
to T1)?  If not, what is the recommended way to handle cases where such an
assignment is desired?
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01:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLeoY by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- utf16: new package
01:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLep3 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/http/ --
http: change RawPath to mean raw path, not raw everything-after-scheme.
01:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLept by [Russ Cox] in go/src/ --
version.bash: cope with ancient Mercurial
01:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLepK by [Russ Cox] in go/doc/ -- doc/install:
tweak port text; drop redundant list of operating systems.
01:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLepX by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/syscall/ --
syscall: add const ARCH, analogous to OS
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02:40 < uriel> brx: I'm not sure what you mean, but a type fullfills all
interfaces automatically
02:40 < uriel> brx: I'm not sure what you mean, but a type fullfills all
interfaces automatically
02:41 < uriel> so if x fulfills T1, it will fullfill T2
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02:44 < brx> yes, that is clear.  but what about var t T2; var v T1; ...; v
= t; or something
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02:51 < brx> hrm.  actually that seems to work.
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04:34 < Aruna> Will Go become a web scripting language like ASP or JSP ?
04:35 < Aruna> or Java like platform independent with Windows programming ?
04:35 < exch> Doubtful.  There are a few web framework packages out there
though.
04:35 < Aruna> But what the use of GO then like python C anotehr language
for unix ?
04:36 < exch> It's meant as an alternative to low level stuff like C/C++.
For systems programming
04:36 < Aruna> Okey...
04:38 < exch> that doesnt you can't use it for anything else, but you'll
probably have to write it yourself
04:38 < Aruna> oook
04:44 < aho> +mean
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04:44 < exch> that to
04:45 < aho> Aruna, server-sided javascript looks pretty interesting by the
way
04:45 < Aruna> true
04:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLp9t by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/src/pkg/json/
-- json: add MarshalIndent (accepts user-specified indent string)
04:46 < aho> (there is #node.js and #commonjs)
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06:13 < nf_> exch: I've started using Go for web application programming,
and am finding it very nice actually.
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06:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLtVc by [Alex Brainman] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- syscall: more changes to mingw version
06:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLtVg by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
runtime: add GOROOT and Version
06:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aLtVp by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- crypto/rand: new package
06:19 < exch> i've used it for a few things in that regard.  Having to take
down the program and restart it everytime there's a change isn't ideal, but it'll
come handy as a webinterface for some of my programs
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06:21 < nf_> as opposed to what?
06:21 < nf_> i know python can re-load modules
06:21 < nf_> but most of the time i restart my other programs when i make
changes
06:21 < exch> as opposed to writing a website in php or something
06:27 < nf_> well if you do it in php, it's restarted every time you view a
page ;)
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07:41 < no_mind> is there an equivalent of perl pack function in GO ?
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07:59 < nf_> what does it do?
08:00 < no_mind> returning a string as per given format
08:00 < no_mind> Go fmt package has Sprintf , but doesnt support many
formats
08:01 < no_mind> I want to convert a string to Hex string with high nibble
first
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08:09 < nf_> fmt.Sprintf is probably it at the moment.
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08:16 < Bombe> Hexadecimal numbers are always high-nibble first, unless I’m
confusing something.
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08:41 < no_mind> Bombe, not necessary, you can have hex string with low
nibble first too
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09:02 < Bombe> no_mind, of course you can but have you ever seen such beast
in the wild?  I know I haven’t.
09:03 < no_mind> Bombe, yup
09:03 < alus> he saw one just 91 days ago!
09:03 < alus> badump
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09:16 < no_mind> what is the easier way to find a substring from a string.
Cant figure out the API.
09:19 < dagle> no_mind: look in the string package.
09:20 < dagle> Or in the regex.  Go have a regex engine that is not O(n^2),
and perl doesn't.  :)
09:21 < no_mind> dagle, the Spilt functions in stings pkg will spilt a
string on a separator, whereas I want to split the string after nth character
09:23 < dagle> Hmm.
09:24 < dagle> a := []int(string); s := string(a[i:]);
09:24 < dagle> Should work.
09:24 < dagle> You might be able to do it in a nicer way.
09:24 < dagle> Hmmm.  Maybe i shouldn't named the first string "string".
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09:25 < dagle> no_mind: But that should do it.  Maybe there is a function
that does that.  Dunno.
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09:26 < no_mind> dagle, I am also looking for a function
09:32 < dagle> Not that hard to write that function .
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10:03 < dagle> no_mind: you could always write it as: string([]int(s)[i:]) ,
but that might look a bit ugly.
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11:51 < nocturnal> ok i like the net package, and the Pipe function in the
file handling of os package.  but why can't i get a file descriptor for a network
connection without using a syscall?
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11:53 < nocturnal> but i guess the Pipe function doesn't even use file
descriptors so it wouldn't do me any good.  would be cool though if you could use
*File to open a network socket and pipe it
11:54 < dagle> nocturnal: On some system you can do that.
11:55 < nocturnal> i see, do you know what system?
11:55 < dagle> Plan9 and inferno.
11:55 < nocturnal> oh really, gotta try that some day
11:55 < nocturnal> inferno is just a distro of plan9 isn't it?
11:55 < dagle> Not really.
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11:56 < nocturnal> oh i always thought someone just bundled plan9 in inferno
11:56 < nocturnal> but apparently not
11:56 < dagle> inferno is more portable and is not written in C.
11:56 < nocturnal> now that i know this i should stop trying to get plan9
work on my sata drives and try inferno instead
11:57 < nocturnal> what's inferno written in?
11:57 < dagle> limbo
11:57 < nocturnal> says Programmed in C on wikipedia
11:57 < dagle> The dis is written in C.
11:57 < nocturnal> oh so kernel in limbo?
11:57 < dagle> and the native kernel is in C
11:58 < nocturnal> hmm ok
11:58 < dagle> but the system it self is in limbo.
11:58 < dagle> So you can run inferno on anything that can provide a dis.
11:58 < dagle> Like a program in linux.
11:59 < dagle> Or a plugin in your webbrowser.
11:59 < nocturnal> well if inferno has 9p then this is very interesting to
me
11:59 < nocturnal> i've been struggling with plan9
11:59 < nocturnal> it hardly works on most hardware
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12:00 < nocturnal> "Styx is identical to Plan 9's newer version of its
hallmark 9P protocol, 9P2000."
12:00 < dagle> Try 9vx
12:01 < nocturnal> 9vx, running in user space?
12:01 < dagle> It's a virtual machine that only runs plan9.
12:02 < dagle> It's really fast.
12:02 < nocturnal> hmm ok, not sure i require it as a virtual machine in
user space.  i already have plan9 running in vmware for testing and that's enough
for playing around before deployment
12:03 < nocturnal> but i must try inferno
12:03 < nocturnal> thanks for the info =)
12:03 < dagle> Np.
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19:43 < tire0011> how i can read keys from the command line?
19:43 < tire0011> or strings
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19:50 < KirkMcDonald> tire0011: Are you talking about stdin, or about
command-line arguments?
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19:53 < tire0011> yes somthing like stdin or console.ReadKey
19:57 < KirkMcDonald> stdin is available as os.Stdin.
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20:18 < TMKCodes> btw
20:18 < TMKCodes> sorry wrong channel
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21:55 < fynn> Hey.  Anyone know the droundy gotgo package for generics?
http://github.com/droundy/gotgo
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