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03:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aMKJ8 by [Alex Brainman] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- Fix src/pkg/syscall/mkall.sh: don't assume that . is on
PATH.
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03:36 < hstimer> should I see something at
http://godashboard.appspot.com/packages ?
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03:36 < hstimer> I get a blank page
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03:58 < _Ray_> This is likely a stupid question.  How could I open a file,
write some stuff (in a loop), and then close it?  All I've found is ioutils'
WriteFile, which does it all in one block.  I need to give an io.Writer to
image.PNG, and it's calling Write() several times.  How could I do this?
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04:14 < hstimer> io.File
04:15 < nf> _Ray_: http://golang.org/pkg/os/#File
04:15 < nf> hstimer: os.File ?
04:15 < hstimer> os.File
04:15 < hstimer> sorry
04:15 < nf> :)
04:15 < _Ray_> ohhh
04:15 < _Ray_> Thanks :)
04:16 < nf> _Ray_: depending what you're doing, you might consider wrapping
the File in a bufio.Writer using bufio.NewWriter
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04:27 < _Ray_> Hrm.  So what I should do is buffer the written bytes, and at
the end use ioutils.WriteFile?
04:28 < _Ray_> Ah, wait, os has a Write as well :)
04:29 < nf> _Ray_: yeah, os.File implements the Writer interface
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04:30 < nf> _Ray_: so if you're doing many small writes, you may see
efficiency benefits by wrapping it in a bufio.Writer
04:30 < nf> _Ray_: bufio.Writer won't buffer the whole contents, only up to
[some magical number of] bytes
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04:37 < _Ray_> Hrmph.  And.  Question.  I have in my struct an os.File.
os.Open returns a (os.File*, os.Error).  How can I assign the first value to my
os.File?
04:37 < _Ray_> I tried sprinkling * in a few places, but no lucj.
04:38 < _Ray_> *k.
04:38 < anticw> nf: you can set the buffer size fwiw
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04:43 < killerchicken_> hrm.  Whenever I join here, I'm hungry for donuts.
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04:49 * _Ray_ has another question, as well.  If a function returns (foo, bar),
how can I assign something like baz, {nothing} = func(), so that baz is the foo,
and I don't care what the bar is?
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04:52 < nf> baz, _ = func()
04:52 < _Ray_> ahh, thanks :)
04:52 < nf> and in response to your first question, you want to use an
*os.File in your code
04:53 < nf> (rather than just an os.File)
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04:53 < nf> because you want to be using a pointer to a file handle, not
creating copies of the file handle
04:55 < nf> _Ray_: have you read Effective Go?
(http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html) it's very helpful
05:00 < _Ray_> thanks :)
05:00 < _Ray_> (I was reading it in bits)
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05:30 < _Ray_> I didn't see this in the docs - what's the type signature for
an anonymous function?  (Say I want a function foo that returns a function x ::
bar -> baz)
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05:48 < _Ray_> Hrm.  Actually, the problem is I'm using a function that
returns a (foo, bar) as a parameter for another function...  I have a function f
and function g() (c, d).  Why can't I say that f is, for example, f(a, b, (c, d)),
and call f(foo, bar, g())?
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07:13 < Bombe> _Ray_, if you’re only returning those two objects to have
them as parameters for another function, wrap them in their own type and return
that.
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07:14 < anticw> or use intermediates
07:14 < anticw> i dont think that's bad
07:15 < anticw> _Ray_: Go doesn't have first-class tuples like python,
multiple-return is something else
07:18 < Bombe> I admit, the wrap-then-in-their-own-type is the Java way of
handling it.  :)
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14:49 < hstimer> is this the right way to get dump?  goinstall -v
golang.googlecode.com/hg/pkg/dump
14:51 < hstimer> never mind
14:51 < hstimer> wrong path
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17:46 < _Ray_> Hrm.  I know goroutines just do a closure over the vars they
see.  How can I force it to copy a var?  (I'm doing a loop, and for each
iteration, calling a goroutine, but it seems the loop variable is altered for all
goroutines).  I tried calling go func(m) { ...  }(k), where k is the loop var, and
using m in the func, but no luck.  The code is at: http://pastebin.com/xa5UZvPa ,
line 122 is where the stuff starts.  It writes the image to a file, and prints to
consol
17:46 < _Ray_> e which pixels it does (that's how I know it's stepping on
'k').  If you remove the Printf, it works :s
17:48 < KirkMcDonald> I am reminded of Jonathan Coulton.
17:49 < KirkMcDonald> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlwFpz9s_I
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17:53 < KirkMcDonald> _Ray_: Oh, I think I see.
17:53 < KirkMcDonald> _Ray_: You're declaring i on line 102.
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17:55 * _Ray_ is an idiot.
17:55 < _Ray_> Thanks :) Forgot to remove that from when the code wasn't
parallelized :)
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17:55 < dagle> _Ray_: Can I qoute you on that?
17:55 < dagle> ^^
17:55 < _Ray_> :s I'd rather not xD
17:56 < dagle> golang needs macros like lisp.
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17:57 < dagle> Backwards program ftw.
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18:59 < dho> Is Go in SoC through another organization or was there even an
application?
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19:02 * dagle is also wondering.
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19:13 < hstimer> soc?
19:14 < dho> summer of code
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19:15 < hstimer> ah.  thx
19:19 <+iant> We didn't apply for Summer of Code
19:19 < dho> aw, why not?
19:19 <+iant> We thought about it but decided that we didn't have the
bandwidth to mentor people
19:19 < taruti> :(
19:19 <+iant> I don't think we would have gotten many slots in any case
19:20 <+iant> even if we were accepted
19:20 <+iant> maybe next year
19:21 < killerchicken_> thanks for being smart
19:22 < no_mind> iant, well potential applicants were looking upto GO (not
me)
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19:22 <+iant> yeah, sorry
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19:24 < killerchicken_> not participating is much better than sucking at
mentoring
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19:26 < no_mind> killerchicken_, yeah thats true too
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19:30 < uriel> killerchicken_: I have a hard time thinking any of the Go
mentors would suck at it
19:30 < uriel> (Russ at least has mentored projects in the past, and done an
excellent job at it)
19:30 < dho> iant: rats, i think there would have been a good few community
contributors who would have done well
19:31 < uriel> I have to agree :/
19:31 < uriel> iant: is it still possible to perhaps get some Go projects
via the 'Opensource Programs Office' org?
19:32 <+iant> I don't know
19:32 <+iant> I'm not sure what kind of applications they take
19:34 < dho> Oh well.  Next year's gsoc will be here before you know it.
19:36 < killerchicken_> uriel: I don't mean people would suck at it
19:36 < killerchicken_> I just made the experience that mentoring takes huge
amounts of time for most students
19:37 <+iant> It can definitely burn a lot of time
19:37 <+iant> like an hour a day
19:38 < uriel> well, if an student is burning through an hour of mentor time
a day, he probably needs to get kicked ou
19:38 < dho> more
19:38 < uriel> t
19:38 < dho> probably not.
19:39 * uriel would rather say nothing regarding dho's past experiences
mentoring...
19:39 <+iant> I can't agree with that; for the student, SoC is a job; they
are entitled to support
19:39 < dho> uriel: you just did.  gg passive-aggressive.
19:39 < uriel> yawn
19:39 < uriel> iant: support != handholding
19:39 < dho> you really are a huge douche most of the time.
19:40 * dho goes elsewhere
19:40 < uriel> dho: and I'm proud of it, others are douches but act totally
slimy and sneaky about it
19:46 < uriel> dho: and I think I get to be a douche towards people that
have consistently screwed me over again and again, plus I rather be a douche than
go around kissing everyone's ass
19:46 < uriel> /over-oftopic-personal-bullshit (sorry to everyone else)
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19:54 < no_mind> iant, I have mentored in past and my experience is, you
dont need an hour a day.  I used to spend an hour or two over the weekend looking
over the progress as well as solving all the queries.  Unless student encounters a
show stopper during the week
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19:55 < uriel> no_mind: my experience, and from what I have seen from other
mentors, seems to confirm that, but admitedly there is much variability
19:55 < uriel> (also, often students can get help from the wider community,
if they get all the help directly from their mentor, things are not quite working
right)
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20:24 < hstimer> I'm having interface problems.  Can anyone tell me what I'm
doing wrong here?  https://gist.github.com/3792e1f19e9796f05e3c
20:26 < KirkMcDonald> hstimer: The * on line 17.
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20:26 < KirkMcDonald> hstimer: Get rid of it.
20:26 < hstimer> ahh...  that feels so much better
20:26 < hstimer> thanks
20:27 < hstimer> so, why is that the right answer?
20:27 < KirkMcDonald> The type *Buf implements the interface ReadAter.
20:28 < hstimer> got it.  thx
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20:49 < smw> What is a good format for a state file?
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20:49 < KirkMcDonald> I enjoy JSON.
20:49 < smw> I would rather not have to parse or create it myself
20:49 < smw> ok
20:50 < KirkMcDonald> Depends on what kind of state you're talking about, I
guess.
20:50 < guaqua> what is the state?
20:50 < KirkMcDonald> Also, I know that Go has a JSON parser, but I did not
see a JSON encoder.
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20:51 < smw> KirkMcDonald: a ddns client.  It needs to know the last ip
address for each address and any error info.
20:52 < KirkMcDonald> How many addresses are we talking about?  How often
does it need to read the file?
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20:52 < hoisie> smw: yaml, xml, and ini are pretty good
20:53 < smw> This file needs to be read every 10 minutes at the most.
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20:53 < smw> it needs to keep info like when it last checked, past
responses, stuff like that
20:53 < uriel> smw: as long as you stay away form xml and yaml you will be
OK
20:53 < smw> lol
20:53 < hoisie> haha
20:53 < KirkMcDonald> JSON would be adequate.
20:53 < smw> I looked at xml since I have used it before
20:54 < smw> but I hate how it does not specify types
20:54 < hoisie> go does json pretty well
20:54 < smw> ok
20:54 < Archwyrm> Why do people lump yaml in with xml?  It is not nearly as
horrific.
20:54 < uriel> you could also use gobs
20:54 < smw> what is gobs?
20:54 < KirkMcDonald> Though I don't think there's a JSON encoder in the
standard library.
20:54 < uriel> smw: see the gob package
20:54 < hoisie> json.Marshal
20:54 < hoisie> its pretty good
20:54 < KirkMcDonald> Er. Decoder.
20:54 < hoisie> i wrote it :)
20:54 < uriel> Archwyrm: look at the spec, despite the usual claims, yaml is
almost as bad as XML, and in some ways worse
20:55 < KirkMcDonald> ...  whichever word I mean.  The one I didn't find the
other day.  :-)
20:55 * KirkMcDonald takes a second look.
20:55 < smw> hoisie: if marshal is anything like xml.unmarshal, I am in :-P
20:55 < hoisie> its either json.Marshal or json.Unmarshal
20:55 < hoisie> it is
20:55 < KirkMcDonald> Huh.  It is there.
20:55 < KirkMcDonald> I think I was just blind.
20:55 < hoisie> there still isn't docs
20:55 < smw> lol
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20:56 < smw> so the final word is to use JSON?  almost everyone is in
agreement
20:56 < hoisie> yeah right now json is the best
20:56 * smw first checks out gobs
20:56 < hoisie> the xml stuff is a little flaky
20:56 < hoisie> gobs is binary i wouldn't use that
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20:56 < uriel> smw: http://golang.org/pkg/gob/
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20:57 < Archwyrm> uriel: Hmm..  Could you be more specific?  I have read the
spec at one time and yaml has always seemed like a lightweight, far more readable
alternative to XML.
20:57 < uriel> hoisie: gobs still beat xml, which is not human readable, nor
easily parse, nor concise and compact
20:57 < Archwyrm> uriel: Plus the fact that the data is actually *typed* is
quite interesting.
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20:57 < KirkMcDonald> I mistrust the gob package for precisely the same
reason that I mistrust pickles in Python.
20:58 < uriel> Archwyrm: 'lightweight'?  http://yaml.org/spec/1.2/spec.html
20:58 < uriel> Archwyrm: that is probably longer than the XML spec
20:58 < uriel> Archwyrm: in any case, just try writting a yaml parser...
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20:58 < hoisie> uriel: that has a lot of details about how to parse yaml
20:58 < uriel> hoisie: so does http://json.org
20:58 < hoisie> its insanely detailed
20:59 < uriel> but the json spec takes barely two pages, while the yaml spec
goes on and on and on
20:59 < guaqua> the yaml spec looks like an object database definition
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20:59 < uriel> hoisie: if the spec needs to be so long to detail how to
parse the format, it makes precisely my point regarding the format
21:00 < Archwyrm> uriel: Alright, admittedly I haven't tried to write a
parser and I see your point about the spec.
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21:01 < hoisie> uriel different design goals
21:01 < hoisie> yaml is written and edited by humans
21:01 < smw> so right now it is gob vs JSON
21:02 < smw> why is gob bad?
21:02 < uriel> hoisie: I can edit json just fine, thank you very much
(actually I make less errors when editing json files than when editing yaml files)
21:02 < uriel> smw: gob is not 'bad', it is different, it is binary, and it
is somewhat tied to Go
21:03 < uriel> if you are doing something that is going to be mostly used
internally for your Go app, gobs are IMHO a no-brainer, if you want to interop
with other code, json is probably the way to go
21:03 < taruti> is gob safe?  (i.e.  does the parser explode upon non-nice
data)
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21:03 < smw> I do not see any problem with my internal state file being tied
to go
21:03 < guaqua> it really isn't when you get to the more advanced features.
a human will not be maintaining object references.  yaml has features of several
markup languages for different purposes
21:03 < uriel> taruti: define 'explode', but in my experience it has been
fairly safe
21:04 < taruti> uriel: "fairly safe" is not "safe"
21:04 < uriel> taruti: again, define 'safe'
21:04 < uriel> by 'fairly safe' I meant 'nothing has blown up on me'
21:04 < smw> taruti: "safe" does not exist in any format I know of
21:04 < taruti> uriel: "untrusted input from your friendly hacker"
21:04 < smw> ah
21:04 < uriel> taruti: bar bugs in the implementation, I think it should be
safe
21:05 < uriel> taruti: it is not like python pickling at all
21:05 * smw goes to learn JSON
21:05 < smw> thanks for the help :-)
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21:05 < taruti> so it has safeguards against "array of length
10000000000000" -> panic?
21:05 < uriel> taruti: I'm not sure about that, but that seems like an
implementation issue
21:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aNQKx by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/pkg/go/doc/ -- go/doc cleanup: remove some unnecessary string conversions
21:06 < uriel> still, denial of service attacks are different from getting
it to run malicious code
21:06 < taruti> uriel: when deciding whether it makes sense to use gob
implementation *is* an important issue
21:06 < uriel> I'm sure there will always be inputs that can make the parser
use up quite a bit of resources, but isn't that true for pretty much any format?
21:06 < hoisie> smw if that doesn't work i have some ini code that you can
use
21:07 < hoisie> its not a go package though
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21:07 < taruti> uriel: actually one can create parsers with limited
resources, but that is kind of hard in go
21:08 < taruti> uriel: a "run this parser in a go-routine that can alloc
only little resources or fails" would be also ok
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21:09 < guaqua> uriel: do you happen to know the timetable for map support
in the gob module?
21:09 < uriel> taruti: I guess, a rough sanity check like discarding any
input bigger than X Mb should put you in rather safe land
21:10 < taruti> uriel: that is not safe with typical binary serialization
things.
21:10 < uriel> guaqua: I have no clue, all I know about gobs is from my
little experience playing with it and what anyone can read in the go-nuts and dev
lists
21:10 < guaqua> uriel: okay.  thanks for mentioning it.  it'll probably save
me quite some time :)
21:10 < uriel> taruti: again, it seems to me that the deffinition of 'safe'
is rather dependant on the context
21:13 < exch> uriel: 'go-app-irc' can be removed from the 'IRC and IM'
section on the pure go libs page
21:13 < exch> also, 'gosdl' by xJabberwocky only implements 3 SDL functions
and doesn't seem to be developed anymore.  Not very useful
21:13 < uriel> exch: oh, what happend to it?
21:13 < uriel> (go-app-irc)
21:14 < exch> I removed the repo.  Doing a big rewrite
21:14 < uriel> well, don't remove the repo until you are done with the
rewrite, that way I don't have to remove the link to add it again later ;P
21:15 < exch> it's under a different name.  I don't know if I'll have the
new one added anyways
21:16 < uriel> heh, why not?  :(
21:16 < exch> there's a few other repos of mine listed there.  they all lead
to my github page.  So anyone who is interested will find it by themselves :p
21:16 < taruti> not really
21:16 < exch> Mostly because I have a habit of abandoning a project halfway
through
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21:16 < taruti> "is there a lib for purpose X" -> reimplement from
scratch
21:17 < uriel> exch: well, those things happens, part of the point of
publishing them is so others can pick it up
21:17 < exch> true
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21:18 < smw> I have the problem where I start making something.  Get a proof
of concept.  Then realize I have to rewrite it to expand it.
21:18 < smw> I can never complete anything
21:18 < smw> :-\
21:19 < exch> I program for fun.  so as long as a project is fun, I work on
it :)
21:19 < exch> anyway, incase anyone is interested.  this is the new bot repo
21:19 < exch> http://github.com/jteeuwen/calculon
21:19 < exch> i'm expecting to be sued soon for the name though :p
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21:22 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aNSfj by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/rpc/
-- rpc documentation cleanup: remove ;'s from code in documentation
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21:23 < uriel> exch: hehehe
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21:25 < exch> uriel: I took your advice on the previous bot and limited this
one to 1 bot profile.  Other profiles can simply be loaded by launching the binary
multiple times
21:25 < exch> I believe that's more akin to the 'unix way'
21:25 < uriel> exch: yay!  ;)
21:26 < uriel> I mean, I could have been wrong, and maybe there was some
advantage of allowing a single binary to run multiple bots, but I have trouble
imagining it
21:28 < exch> I did it mostly just because I could :p From a performance
standpoint I think it's easier to just keep them in separate processes.  And
there's the stability issue.  If one bot goes down for whatever reason, they would
all go down in the old setup
21:30 < exch> I am faced with an interesting problem now though.  Something
I've never really tackled before.  Plugins/Modules should be runtime (un)loadable.
For go this means the only easy way is to keep all modules in independant binaries
and launch them as seperate processes.  Have some Pipe mechanism to make it
communicate with the bot.
21:30 < exch> this will allow me to run just 1 instance of a module and
share it with all running bots if I can figure out how to set this up
21:30 < exch> should be an interesting exercise
21:31 < uriel> indeed
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21:34 < uriel> btw, I would look into netchan, although it doesn't seem to
have support to run over pipes currently...  :/
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21:35 < uriel> (of course it depends on what kind of interface you want to
provide for 'modules', I would also recommend a 9p server that could provide a fs
interface to clients ala acme, that would allow people to write module snot just
in go, but in any language)
21:36 < exch> yea I was considering that.  The 'api' used for communcation
between bot and modules should be portable
21:36 < exch> so should the transport mechanism
21:37 < exch> im concerned about performance though.  cross process stuff
can build up a bit of latency
21:38 < exch> I'll play aruond with a few things and see how it measures up
21:38 < uriel> 21:37 < exch> im concerned about performance though.
cross process stuff can build up a bit of latency
21:38 < uriel> I have trouble beliveing this without some profiling
21:39 < exch> It's possible i'm just being anal.  As said, I've never really
tried anything like this before
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21:40 < uriel> nah, it is just one of those many myths that have become
generally accepted even if nobody has really tested in any real world situation
21:41 < uriel> (like fork supposedly being slow, or like static linking
supposedly using too much memory, all total nonsense myths that never die)
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21:47 < exch> One way to find out
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22:54 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aNXFQ by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/src/pkg/template/ -- template: fixed html formatter bug where it would turn a
[]byte
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23:23 < Surma> Hey guys.  Is there some built in way to *prepend* - let's
say - a single string to a string-slice?  (or to concat to slices?)
23:24 < Surma> I can't seem to find anything, I gotta write that my self?
23:26 < uriel> convert the string slice into a real string and +?
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23:27 < Surma> i actually wanted to keep 'em separated
23:27 < Surma> i probably could implode or something...  let's see
23:28 < Surma> *cough* join
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