--- Log opened Wed Apr 07 00:00:41 2010 00:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bhPCT by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- change channel read to clear 00:13 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:18 < traph> uriel: I'm checking it out. Thanks! 00:20 < uriel> no problem 00:28 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@f050234022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leave the magic to Houdini] 00:33 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 00:33 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit [Ping timeout: 633 seconds] 00:35 -!- jdp [~gu@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:37 -!- jdp [~gu@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:38 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-23-96.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:38 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@d64-180-45-230.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has joined #go-nuts 00:40 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #go-nuts 00:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bhRcU by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- another try at clearing 00:44 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has quit [Quit: carllerche] 00:53 -!- skelterjohn_ [~jasmuth@c-76-124-23-96.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:54 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:56 -!- skelterjohn_ [~jasmuth@c-76-124-23-96.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:56 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.110.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bhRZm by [Russ Cox] in go/test/ -- arm: fix build, attempt #1 01:00 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@74.61.90.217] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 01:09 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 01:19 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:22 -!- kota1111 [~kota1111@gw2.kbmj.jp] has joined #go-nuts 01:23 -!- General1337 [~support@71-93-97-216.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 01:25 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 01:25 -!- General13372 [~support@71-93-97-216.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:31 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@128.189.89.42] has joined #go-nuts 01:32 -!- jA_cOp [~yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33 -!- jA_cOp [~yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has joined #go-nuts 01:38 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 01:39 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 01:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bhUBv by [Russ Cox] in go/test/ -- arm: fix build, attempt #2 01:52 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-23-96.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12 -!- jebblue [~jebblue@72.183.117.191] has joined #go-nuts 02:13 -!- jebblue [~jebblue@72.183.117.191] has left #go-nuts [] 02:19 -!- digi9 [none@csplan9.rit.edu] has joined #go-nuts 02:20 < digi9> Hey, any RIT students in here, working on the Programming Skills assignment? Wondering if anybody else is as stuck as we are 02:29 -!- yashi [~yashi@dns1.atmark-techno.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38 -!- bjarneh [~bjarneh@227.80-203-30.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: zzzzzzz] 02:38 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-23-96.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:47 -!- andrewh [~andrewh@94-194-56-42.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:55 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:56 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:58 -!- aho [~nya@g227041121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION] 03:02 -!- Macpunk [~macpunk@cpe-72-177-26-221.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:05 -!- sschober [~schober@hysbald.informatik.uni-ulm.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:25 -!- Macpunk [~macpunk@cpe-72-177-26-221.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37 -!- shasbot [~shasbot@ip70-171-218-55.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:44 -!- shasbot [~shasbot@ip70-171-218-55.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:52 -!- kssreeram [~kssreeram@122.174.66.53] has quit [Quit: kssreeram] 04:05 -!- jonbauer_ [~jbauer@adsl-99-176-12-93.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:06 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.158.104] has joined #go-nuts 04:15 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@128.189.89.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:17 -!- buggles [~buggler@58.161.137.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17 -!- buggles [~buggler@58.161.137.89] has joined #go-nuts 04:37 -!- nettok_ [~netto@200.119.158.104] has joined #go-nuts 04:40 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.158.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:41 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 04:44 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@dsl081-064-072.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47 -!- yashi [~yashi@dns1.atmark-techno.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:51 -!- nettok_ [~netto@200.119.158.104] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:55 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:55 < defectiv> just upgraded my compiler and now this gives me a problem, unexpected name, expected literal: import times "./times" 04:55 < defectiv> oops, 04:55 < defectiv> import "./times" 04:56 < defectiv> that worked before. 04:56 < defectiv> missing newline at end of file? why would i put an empty line at the end of a file? 05:00 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:00 < defectiv> wonder whether i can make a more succinct iterator than this: times.N(10).Do(func (i int) { 05:00 -!- General1337 [~support@71-93-97-216.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01 -!- sferry [sam@atheme/member/samferry] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:02 -!- General1337 [~support@71-93-97-216.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:03 -!- samferry [sam@atheme/member/samferry] has joined #go-nuts 05:05 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit [Ping timeout: 633 seconds] 05:08 < defectiv> go doesn't have constructors? 05:08 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@d64-180-45-230.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:08 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@2002:465a:aa25:0:226:bbff:fe05:dd9b] has quit [Quit: hstimer] 05:09 < anticw> no 05:09 < anticw> new things are zeroed 05:09 -!- gu2 [~gu@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:09 -!- jdp [~gu@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #go-nuts 05:12 < defectiv> also there seems to be an error in the way pointers are declared. e.g. var p *string = &s 05:12 < defectiv> &s is of type *string, then &&s is of type string 05:13 < defectiv> * and & are the opposite right? 05:14 < cbeck> defectiv: if &s is of type *string, then &&s is of type **string 05:14 < defectiv> i thought * and & were the opposite of each other not the same. 05:14 < cbeck> * has multiple meanings there 05:14 < defectiv> argh. 05:15 < cbeck> the * in var p *string indicates that p is a pointer 05:15 < defectiv> &*foo == foo, right? 05:15 < cbeck> yes 05:15 < defectiv> to indicate p is a pointer you should say, var p &string 05:15 < defectiv> p is a reference to a string 05:15 < cbeck> provided foo is a pointer and non null 05:16 < cbeck> defectiv: I agree that hat reads more naturally, however that'd confuse the hell out of anyone who'd ever used C/C++, so it's not going to happen 05:17 < defectiv> oh, C/C++ use that notation? weird. 05:17 < cbeck> Yup 05:17 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: slashus2] 05:18 < defectiv> okay, so no constructors. a couple other basics... other than capitalization indicating visibility outside of the package, is there any such thing as private/public variables? 05:18 < defectiv> and getter/setters like in ruby? 05:18 < defectiv> say i want to make a variable readable but not writeable. 05:21 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@d64-180-45-230.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:22 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-23-96.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:22 -!- digi9 [none@csplan9.rit.edu] has left #go-nuts [] 05:22 < cbeck> defectiv: Then you define a function GetFoo() in the same file as a variable foo which returns a copy of foo's value 05:23 < cbeck> Simply because the language doesn't give constructors/getters/setters some special syntax, doesn't mean you can't write them 05:24 < defectiv> yeah, that's just a little verbose. 05:24 < cbeck> No more so than C++/Java 05:24 < defectiv> much more than ruby. 05:25 < defectiv> ruby sets the usability bar pretty high. 05:25 < cbeck> And the speed bar pretty low 05:25 < defectiv> ? 05:26 < defectiv> it's pretty fast for a dynamic language. ruby 1.9 is substantially faster than PHP for most programs of any length. 05:26 < defectiv> it's obviously not good for mathematical simulations or operating systems. it's great for things where your bottlenecks are e.g. the database. 05:26 < cbeck> Sure, but Go is designed to be a systems language, which means performance at the expense of some verbosity 05:27 < defectiv> right. that's why i'm saying it's not a big deal, just an inconvenience. 05:27 < defectiv> seems go could have a simple getter/setter syntax without sacrificing much. 05:27 < defectiv> but that's a slippery slope to feature bloat perhaps. 05:28 < cbeck> Exactly, Go is not designed to be an OO language, just a language that makes it possible to write OO code, to some extent 05:29 < defectiv> yeah. i actually agree with the interface concept in go. i think it makes sense. 05:31 < defectiv> i work for zendesk.com, a respectable rails site, and it can be difficult to extend or debug code when it's unclear where the heck something was defined. 05:36 < cbeck> defectiv: I agree, and I worry that people will use the 'import .' syntax a lot out of lazyness and remove some of that easy traceability 05:40 < defectiv> i think that should be totally removed. 05:40 < defectiv> i just learned about it. 05:41 < defectiv> i work with some incredibly smart programmers, who hate when languages try to enforce things like that. the thing is, they are really really smart, and we have a pretty small team. it's easy to be familiar with the code and convey conventions amongst the group. 05:41 < defectiv> you build out beyond that, or have even a few weak links in a large company, and you need modularity, badly. a pretty rigid modularity. 05:42 < defectiv> if the designers of the language are really good, and think hard about the task, they can indeed put up some walls that are not overly restrictive but help to keep code sane. 05:45 -!- robot12 [~robot12@robot12.kgts.ru] has joined #go-nuts 05:48 < defectiv> what is with go's wanting a blank line at the end of the file. tre annoying. 05:49 -!- jA_cOp [~yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51 -!- rv2733 [~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:55 -!- kssreeram [~kssreeram@122.165.2.126] has joined #go-nuts 05:58 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:02 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@118.71.129.231] has joined #go-nuts 06:03 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.162.146.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:04 < cbeck> Eh, another holdover from C, I don't remember why 06:04 < cbeck> I think it just removes a corner case from parsing 06:06 < anticw> defectiv: you dont need a blank line 06:07 < defectiv> well, it complains if i don't have one. 06:08 < anticw> you need a line-feed 06:08 < anticw> not a black line 06:08 < anticw> err 06:08 < anticw> blank 06:08 < defectiv> ? 06:08 < defectiv> an extra carriage return is a blank line to me. 06:08 < anticw> huh? 06:09 < anticw> no, a blank line is ...\n\n 06:09 < defectiv> a single \n creates a new, empty, line. 06:09 < defectiv> open it up in vi and you will see. 06:09 < defectiv> or any editor in existence. 06:09 < defectiv> TextMate, you name it. 06:10 < anticw> i dont need to open anything in vi, i know you dont need a blank line 06:10 < defectiv> that's a different issue. 06:11 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:11 < anticw> echo "package foo" > /tmp/1.go 06:11 < anticw> try that, builds fine 06:20 < cbeck> sure, because echo appends a newline 06:21 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:21 < anticw> newline != blank line 06:22 < cbeck> Not always, but \nEOF == blank line 06:22 < anticw> no it's not 06:22 < cbeck> How would you define a blank line? 06:23 < anticw> a line with no content 06:23 < anticw> if you mean "\n" as the entire file ... sure, that's a blank line 06:23 < anticw> but that won't build 06:23 < anticw> you need package ... you can have one line not less right now, and the last line does not need to be blank 06:25 < cbeck> ok, so you have ^package foo\n$ as it were 06:25 < cbeck> I'd call \n$ a blank line 06:27 < anticw> no 06:27 < anticw> it terminates the previous line 06:29 < cbeck> This argument is entirely silly 06:29 < anticw> yes it is :) 06:31 -!- SirSydAlot [~sydcogs@180.92.192.92] has joined #go-nuts 06:31 -!- syd_ [~sydcogs@180.92.192.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:37 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@118.71.129.231] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:46 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 06:47 -!- zyichi [~zyichi@124.205.180.154] has joined #go-nuts 07:00 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@f050234022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 07:01 < uriel> defectiv: fill a bug if that bothers you 07:03 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has joined #go-nuts 07:04 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:04 -!- General1337 [~support@71-93-97-216.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05 -!- General1337 [~support@71-93-97-216.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 07:11 -!- kssreeram [~kssreeram@122.165.2.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11 -!- kssreeram [~kssreeram@122.165.2.126] has joined #go-nuts 07:30 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 07:34 -!- gu2 [~gu@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has left #go-nuts [] 07:34 -!- jdp [~gu@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:36 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@f050234022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:38 -!- kaigan|work [~kaigan@c-8290e255.1411-10-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 07:50 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@f050234022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:07 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@f050234022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leave the magic to Houdini] 08:13 -!- Discoloda [~vincent@adsl-76-194-165-224.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-241-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:29 -!- path[l] [~path@120.138.102.34] has quit [Quit: path[l]] 08:35 -!- nanoo [~nano@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:37 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@guests176.externals.de] has joined #go-nuts 09:20 -!- KnightMage [~jon@95.151.17.215] has joined #go-nuts 09:22 -!- idea_squirrel [~ct2rips@77-21-22-64-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 09:31 < araujo> := is for initialization right? 09:32 < araujo> var s string = "hi" ; and ... s := "hi" are equivalents ? 09:43 < bortzmeyer> araujo: I would say yes 09:48 < exch> question about garbage collection. Let's say I have a linked list with 3 or more links/values in it. If the first and last link are detached from the linkedlist, they basically all become inaccessible. Will the entire chain be marked for the GC or do I have to break the individual reference as well? 09:54 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@guests176.externals.de] has quit [Quit: Leave the magic to Houdini] 09:54 < exch> nvm. Think I answered my own question. 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12:55 -!- gisikw [~gisikw@137.28.186.120] has joined #go-nuts 12:55 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-23-96.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:57 < jessta> landswipe: there is a windows port, but I've no idea if it would work on ce 13:02 -!- zyichi [~zyichi@124.205.180.154] has quit [Quit: zyichi] 13:03 -!- kssreeram [~kssreeram@122.165.6.245] has joined #go-nuts 13:10 -!- Surma [~surma@95-88-89-174-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:12 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 13:14 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@guests9.externals.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:15 < landswipe> do u have a link to the windows port? 13:18 < jessta> landswipe: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/os-ports 13:19 < uriel> actually, for details this is better: http://code.google.com/p/go/wiki/WindowsPort 13:19 < uriel> will link from go-lang.cat-v.org in a sec 13:21 < uriel> i 13:21 < uriel> in any case I don't think the windows port works for CE arm at all 13:21 < uriel> afaik Windows CE is like a completely different platform 13:23 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:29 < KnightMage> Microsoft even has special compilers for the CE platform, so it is a completely different beast than regular windows. I remember writing code for the CE platform and it was lacking in features because of what it can do. 13:29 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@32.97.110.63] has joined #go-nuts 13:34 -!- JohnDoe365 [~JohnDoe36@193.171.58.210] has joined #go-nuts 13:34 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 13:39 -!- vdrab [~vdrab@cap015-135.kcn.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 13:53 -!- JohnDoe365 [~JohnDoe36@193.171.58.210] has left #go-nuts [] 13:55 -!- Xilon [~Adium@116.212.218.179] has joined #go-nuts 13:56 < Xilon> I'm trying to wrap a C function using the FFI. The function accepts a string (char *), which it modifies th econtents of (much like memcpy). How do I create a C char * in Go so that I can pass it in? 13:57 < Xilon> In C it would be "char foo[16]; bar(foo);" 14:02 < fwiffo> Xilon: C.CString(), i think 14:03 < Xilon> There won't be problems with memory or anything, since the function modifies it? 14:04 < fwiffo> Xilon: you need to free it after you use it 14:05 < Xilon> Ok, I'll try it 14:18 -!- flaguy48 [~gallard@user-0calceo.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:24 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@62.176.237.78] has joined #go-nuts 14:25 < exch> hmm. implementing a Stack as a linked list is consistently a /lot/ faster than using a slice. Eventhough the amount of code for handling the linked list is quite a bit more involved 14:25 -!- jA_cOp [~yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has joined #go-nuts 14:26 < exch> I could prolly cut down on the slice approach by getting rid of the resizing of a slice, but there will still be quite a few copy() calls 14:29 < uriel> exch: that seems strange... 14:30 < uriel> why do you need so many copy() calls? 14:30 < exch> I thought so to, but I tried it anyways 14:30 < exch> 'many' is a bit exagerrated 14:30 < uriel> I would expect you only need to copy() when you run out of space 14:31 < uriel> and you could grow the size exponenitally which should mean you have to do it rarely 14:31 < uriel> but maybe I'm missing something obvious 14:32 < exch> true. but simply starting out with a pre-allocated slice of some capacity apparently isnt enough. Adding a new item to that slice requires dynamic resizing which needs a copy 14:32 < exch> Thhough I do see now there is room for some improovement 14:32 < exch> I'll have to try when I get back in a bit 14:32 < Xilon> fwiffo: That seems to work, thanks! 14:33 < exch> right now, the linkedlist approach is an average of 55% faster than the slice approach. 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results are pretty much the same every time 18:15 < exch> linked list is close, but not quite as fast 18:16 -!- mikedee [~quassel@91.108.101.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18 -!- mikedee [~quassel@91.108.101.65] has joined #go-nuts 18:22 -!- tehmouse1 [~Dave@98-125-2-240.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #go-nuts [] 18:25 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:25 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@208.87.61.146] has quit [Quit: carllerche] 18:26 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 18:27 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Client Quit] 18:27 < uriel> exch: cool 18:27 -!- Fish [~Fish@AVelizy-152-1-54-130.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 18:28 < uriel> good that I wasn't completely wrong for once :) 18:28 < exch> hehe 18:28 < exch> I should do thse more often. it turns out I can squeeze quite a bit of time out of my code :p 18:29 < uriel> what are you 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23:10 < exch> it shouldn't take 'minutes' 23:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bjbmQ by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- Language FAQ: update the entry on exceptions. 23:11 -!- lux` [lucs@151.95.176.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11 < feliperibeiro> :/ 23:14 -!- dshep [~user@dan75-7-88-166-185-201.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:16 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC7F08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:16 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [Quit: felipe] 23:17 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC7F4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:18 -!- dshep [~user@dan75-7-88-166-185-201.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:18 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.220.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:21 -!- TMKCodes [~toni@bbwirelessgw2-fee1dc00-62.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22 < feliperibeiro> i downloaded the snapshot from mercurial 23:22 < feliperibeiro> is there any "stable" release? 23:22 -!- TMKCodes [~toni@bbwirelessgw2-fee1dc00-62.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #go-nuts 23:22 < feliperibeiro> it's still stuck there 23:22 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has quit [Quit: I'm outta heee-eere] 23:23 < bjarneh> feliperibeiro: you could try to see what's happening, by adding a -v flag to the makefile perhaps.. 23:24 < bjarneh> feliperibeiro: try so see what gopack is actually doing? 23:24 -!- dshep [~user@dan75-7-88-166-185-201.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:25 < bjarneh> feliperibeiro: that will give you verbose output for all your packing, but still :-) 23:25 < feliperibeiro> thanks, i'll do it 23:26 < feliperibeiro> as it's running the _test/net.a i suppose it's doing something with the network 23:26 < feliperibeiro> and my network here is really slow 23:26 < feliperibeiro> maybe that's it 23:27 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bjcm4 by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- Language FAQ: editing tweaks after iant. 23:28 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-kvxyyoxwyaeieris] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:29 < bjarneh> i think gopack is an archiving tool, so i think it just puts multiple files into an archive (like: tar/zip that sort of program) 23:30 -!- nettok [~netto@gpacad.ufm.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:36 -!- feliperibeiro [~felipe@200.97.67.57] has quit [Quit: feliperibeiro] 23:41 < bjarneh> feliperibeiro: that only displays the files it tries to shove into the archive i'm afraid.. 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