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00:21 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bqdfu by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/rpc/ --
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00:54 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bqeKs by [Christopher Wedgwood] in 2 subdirs
of go/src/pkg/ -- Remove exp/exception as it's no longer relevant
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01:08 < kimelto> exception no longer relevant?
01:08 < uriel> kimelto: obviously
01:08 < uriel> read up on panic/recover
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01:16 < kimelto> uriel: oh!  :)
01:19 < kimelto> that's like doing a big try/catch for the entire function?
01:20 < kimelto> ie.  how to determine which function panic'ed?
01:20 < bawr> Currently, writers don't have an established way of signalling
the last write to be made, whereas readers signal a last read by an end-of-file
wrror, correct?
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01:24 < bawr> I'm asking because I was wondering how would I go about
implementing writer wrappers that add padding as necessary, and so far the best
idea I have is using .Flush() to add the padding to a previously selected
boundary, and signal an error if further writes / flush calls are made.
01:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bqgPZ by [Christopher Wedgwood] in
go/test/garbage/ -- test: minor updates to avoid bitrot
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01:31 < uriel> kimelto: uhu?  did you actually read about it?
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01:37 < kimelto> uriel: quickly
01:40 < kimelto> what I meant is something like catch(MyFooExceeption e)
instead of catch(Exception e), that would be recover(MyFooInterface) instead of
recover() and then use reflection
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01:53 < uriel> kimelto: I really recommend you read up both the docs and the
threads in golang-nuts regarding panic/recover
01:53 < uriel> panic/recover are *not* exceptions
01:53 < uriel> but solve the problems that multiple return values can't
solve so well, as rob put it: there should usually not be more than a handlful of
calls to recover() in a program
01:53 < uriel> (often perhaps only one)
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01:58 < kimelto> uriel: only read the go specs section talking about
recover.  will read the thread.
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04:38 < mvillmow> So i'm trying to learn go and i've written a basic binary
tree in go.  I"m trying to do it as a generic container, but not sure if I am
doing it correctly.  Could someone point out what I might be doing incorrectly?
04:38 < mvillmow> Here is the pastebin of my code:
http://pastebin.com/6tQBzE8u
04:43 < nf> mvillmow: does it work?  what are your concerns?
04:44 < mvillmow> well, I can compile it, but i'm having trouble getting it
to accept a data type with my test suite.  I'm pretty sure the problem is with my
my interface, but not sure how to solve it
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04:45 < mvillmow> I'd like to support any data type that implement less and
equal functions, but also support the native types by providing less/equal
functions for them
04:46 < uriel> mvillmow: what problem are you trying to solve?
04:46 < mvillmow> learn the language :)
04:47 < mvillmow> so i'm trying to port some generic libraries I wrote in C
to Go as the only difference should be syntax and language issues, and not
algorithmic or implementation issues
04:47 < uriel> that is not a very good way to try a new language
04:47 < uriel> IMHO it is much better to try to build some real program that
does something
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04:49 < kmeyer> mvillmow: for some examples of very similar things to look
to as a model, see http://golang.org/pkg/container/
04:50 < mvillmow> yeah, i've been staring at those
04:50 < nf> mvillmow: what trouble are you having with your tests?
04:51 < nf> mvillmow: it's easier for me to answer a specific question than
a general one
04:51 < bawr> So. Go has no generics.  How do we build type-safe containers?
04:51 < mvillmow> ok, will get the error message
04:51 < nf> bawr: you mean containers that are guaranteed to have a specific
type?
04:52 < bawr> To hold a specific type, yes.
04:52 < nf> bawr: you could embed an existing container type in a type that
implements type-specific methods
04:52 < nf> bawr: and performs the type inference on the way out
04:54 < bawr> Sounds...  bulky.
04:54 < nf> yes, it does.
04:55 < drhodes> I made a generic tree using type assertions and interfaces,
it was bad.
04:55 < kmeyer> you could take a template and do basic replacement with
gofmt
04:55 < mvillmow> nf: here is my error, http://pastebin.com/UWWREw7G
04:55 < kmeyer> it's cludgy, but it works and it's fast
04:55 < mvillmow> i want to extend the 'int' data type to use the interface
that my tree requires
04:56 < mvillmow> now I know I got the type's wrong
04:56 < bawr> kmeyer: Ah, that's mostly what I wanted.  Thanks.
04:56 < nf> mvillmow: in your methods on INT you need to say b.(INT)
04:57 < mvillmow> but I think my problem is my understanding of interfaces
05:00 < mvillmow> nf: thanks, where can I read up more on this?
05:00 < drhodes> and there's this http://github.com/droundy/gotgo, "go
language generics system" haven't tried it yet, and the mailing list discussion
about it:
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/4e55d4fb183313fd/25763b3b390f824a?q=generics&lnk=ol&
05:00 < nf> mvillmow: have you read this?
http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html
05:01 < nf> mvillmow: did you try b.(INT) ? did it work?
05:01 < mvillmow> most of it
05:01 < mvillmow> yeah b.(INT) works
05:01 < nf> yay, good :)
05:01 < nf> i wasn't 100% ;)
05:01 < mvillmow> still going through the google docs
05:01 < mvillmow> well, now I panic'd the runtime
05:02 < nf> what's the panic?
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05:02 < mvillmow> nil pointer
05:02 < nf> see this: http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Type_assertions
05:03 < nf> yeah but where did it happen?
05:03 < mvillmow> i tried a := New.Int(1)
05:03 < mvillmow> but err Int(1)
05:03 < mvillmow> so if I do a := 1, it is of type int, but I want type INT,
will Go automatically pick the right type?  I'm guessing no in this case
05:04 < nf> mvillmow: tryp: var a INT = 1
05:04 < nf> s/tryp/try/
05:04 < nf> just declare the var's type explictly
05:04 < nf> also doesn't a:= INT(1) work ?
05:05 < nf> or is it INT{1} ? i'm not 100%
05:06 < bawr> kmeyer: Ah, so I guess it'll work just well if I add the
necessary gofmt -r runs to the makefile, and set make clean to remove the
generated sources.
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05:07 < mvillmow> ahh, ok, I was reading it correct.  a:= INT(1) works, it's
my code that is wrong
05:07 < mvillmow> well my tree code
05:07 < mvillmow> gdb time :)
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05:15 < mvillmow> nf, thanks for your help, i fail my first test :)
05:15 < nf> mvillmow: no problem at all
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05:21 < mvillmow> ok, any advice on debugging?  :)
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05:22 < nf> i use println ;)
05:23 < nf> particularly in an algorithm like this, i would print state at
the top of loops, etc
05:23 < nf> and then follow it through, see if it makes sense
05:23 < nf> you want to confirm your 'invariants' (if you think about
algorithms that way)
05:24 < kmeyer> bawr: yeah, something like that.
05:24 < kmeyer> similar binary bloat to C++ templates
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05:24 < kmeyer> but you can also choose to go the java route and typecheck
every time you pull a value out, too
05:24 < kmeyer> Go gives you choices :)
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05:24 < bawr> Heh.
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10:01 < bortzmeyer> No news for issue #685 Am I too impatient?
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=685
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10:35 < manveru> does anyone have a libffi wrapper?
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10:47 < nf> bortzmeyer: it's hard to test
10:48 < nf> bortzmeyer: i'd like to fix it, but i can't replicate it
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14:02 < manveru> how do i get an executable from cgo?
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17:20 < no_mind> morning
17:20 < no_mind> though its night here
17:21 < jessta> morning
17:22 < jessta> it's dark here, but certainly morning
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19:30 < bortzmeyer> http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html mentions a
bytes.Copy() which I do not find in http://golang.org/pkg/bytes/ ?
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19:31 < uriel> iirc copy() is now a buitin
19:32 < uriel> the effective Go docs probably have not been updated
19:32 < uriel> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Copying_slices
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19:43 <+iant> http://codereview.appspot.com/882047
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19:57 < uriel> iant: that was fast :)
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19:57 < bortzmeyer> uriel: copy() works fine, thanks
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20:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/brnWG by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/doc/ -- Use
the copy function rather than a loop.
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20:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/broXZ by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/template/ --
template: use panic/recover to simplify internal error handling.
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23:19 < rogue780> what is the preferred editor for go files?
23:20 < KirkMcDonald> I use vim.
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23:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/brztb by [Evan Shaw] in go/src/cmd/ld/ -- 8l:
add DOS stub to PE binaries
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23:26 < bawr> Whatever you're comforable with.
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23:40 < plexdev> http://is.gd/brAl8 by [Alex Brainman] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- os: mingw version of Readdir() and Stat() implemented
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