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Permission denied to do what? 06:31 < jesusaurus> i dont see any examples in $GOROOT 06:31 < rsaarelm> $GOROOT/misc/cgo/gmp. 06:31 < rsaarelm> http://golang.org/cmd/cgo/ See here. 06:32 < jesusaurus> the perm error is from `cp _obj/$PKG $GOROOT/$GOOS_$GOARCH/$PKG` 06:33 < jesusaurus> huh, my $GOROOT doesnt have a /misc 06:33 < rsaarelm> It should be the checkout from the hg repo. And you should have write access there. 06:34 < rsaarelm> Meaning that there should be a misc and make should be able to copy stuff to $GOROOT/$GOOS_$GOARCH/whatever. 06:35 < rsaarelm> Needing to have write access to the main Go dir is kind of weird actually, I'm not sure how it's supposed to work with system-wide installations used by non-privileged users, but as far as I know that's how it works now. 06:36 < jesusaurus> huh, ok... 06:37 * jesusaurus sets perms and hopes for the best 06:37 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-9-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 06:40 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:40 -!- TMKCodes [~toni@bbwirelessgw2-fee1dc00-62.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40 < jesusaurus> GAH 06:40 < jesusaurus> perms are set, and i still cant make the file 06:40 -!- TMKCodes [~toni@bbwirelessgw2-fee1dc00-62.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #go-nuts 06:42 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 06:43 -!- rastor [~prasad@59.96.101.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:45 -!- KillerX [~anant@145-116-234-40.uilenstede.casema.nl] has joined #go-nuts 06:45 -!- KillerX [~anant@145-116-234-40.uilenstede.casema.nl] has quit [Changing host] 06:45 -!- KillerX [~anant@gentoo/developer/KillerX] has joined #go-nuts 06:45 -!- rastor [~prasad@59.96.98.228] has joined #go-nuts 06:47 -!- robot12 [~robot12@robot12.kgts.ru] has left #go-nuts [] 06:49 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has joined #go-nuts 06:50 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has left #go-nuts [] 06:51 -!- rastor [~prasad@59.96.98.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:52 -!- rastor [~prasad@59.93.79.191] has joined #go-nuts 06:53 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-37-101.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:57 -!- KillerX [~anant@gentoo/developer/KillerX] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00 < jesusaurus> i just cant seem to get it to work 07:04 -!- rastor [~prasad@59.93.79.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:05 < rsaarelm> Try to get a fresh hg checkout of the Go tree to your home directory and set GOROOT to point there. Then try to build the gmp example from misc. 07:06 -!- rastor [~prasad@202.153.43.26] has joined #go-nuts 07:07 -!- tumdum_ [~tumdum@avc58.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #go-nuts 07:07 -!- tumdum_ [~tumdum@avc58.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Changing host] 07:07 -!- tumdum_ [~tumdum@unaffiliated/tumdum] has joined #go-nuts 07:09 -!- tumdum [~tumdum@unaffiliated/tumdum] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:15 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:17 < jesusaurus> yay 07:18 < jesusaurus> i got asound to load in cgo 07:25 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 07:25 -!- cbeck [~cbeck@c-67-170-181-181.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 07:25 -!- cbeck [~cbeck@c-67-170-181-181.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:27 -!- gnuvince_ [~vince@70.35.160.230] has joined #go-nuts 07:27 -!- gnuvince [~vince@220.251-ppp.3menatwork.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:28 -!- 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[~gucko@p5796BC95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:18 < gucko> hi guys 18:18 < gucko> I want to ask about a programming language to learn. I know Java really well and I know some C. What I hate about Java is that you have to install a JRE for the user to run its program. Also that it's not fast in Linux (The GUI is so buggy). But I like that it's really well designed from a software engineering perspective. I love OOP. Now what I like about C is that it's fucking fast! And the user don't have to install anything for it to work. But 18:18 < gucko> what about Objective-C? Or Ruby or Go (From Google)? 18:18 < gucko> please tell me what suites me, not what you like!!! 18:18 < gucko> I don't know a lot about Go, that's why I'm asking here 18:19 < gucko> does it meet what I'm looking for?! 18:19 -!- yaroslav [~yaroslav@109.170.106.65] has quit [Quit: yaroslav] 18:20 < smw_> gucko: you are asking in a very biased area 18:20 < gucko> smw_: yeah I know, but hopefully people here will not just say Go is good! 18:20 < dho_plan9> If speed is a primary concern, look at http://shootout.alioth.debian.org 18:20 < smw_> Go is good 18:21 < gucko> I hope they'll see what I said about my needs, then they respond by Yes or no 18:21 < dho_plan9> Go has OOP paradigms, but does not go as far as C++ or Java 18:21 -!- Surma [~surma@95-88-88-188-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:21 < gucko> dho_plan9: so Go is a structured langauge? 18:21 < smw_> gucko: go is also fast. I think of it as C+ (in between c and c++) 18:21 < smw_> gucko: yes 18:21 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 18:22 < gucko> what about Objective-C? 18:22 < JBeshir> Go is more like C- 18:22 < dho_plan9> The decision is really yours, I think people here are going to be reluctant to say "use Go" both because of the inherent bias and because it's still a very new language. 18:22 < JBeshir> It feels like a smaller language 18:22 < dho_plan9> It's definitely not, heh. 18:22 < dho_plan9> gucko: Why don't you read up on a few different languages and see what suits you? 18:23 < smw_> JBeshir: Go has garbage collection, proper string handling, ect. It is definitally not smaller 18:23 < gucko> nobody answered my question! What about objective-C?! 18:23 < JBeshir> smw_: Those do not make the language itself bigger. 18:23 < JBeshir> They make the compiler/runtime bigger, possibly. 18:23 < Venom_X> obj-c is not as portable as go, or java, etc 18:23 < smw_> gucko: what do you plan to make? 18:23 < dho_plan9> gucko: Go read up on it yourself. 18:24 < gucko> Venom_X: oh! 18:24 < smw_> Venom_X: go == portable? Tell that to windows people 18:24 < JBeshir> I will 18:24 < JBeshir> Then I will laugh at them 18:24 < Venom_X> hehe.. well between os-x and linux 18:24 < JBeshir> It's portable to POSIX OSes. :P 18:24 < JBeshir> Not Go's fault Windows sucks as one. :P 18:25 < Venom_X> obj-c has gnustep.. but if you want the cool gui (cocoa), you won't get that to run on anything besides osx based os 18:25 < JBeshir> Seriously, I wouldn't really call it that until it was portable to most things. 18:25 < smw_> same here 18:25 < smw_> I think it is portable when it works on windows personally. 18:25 < dho_plan9> Venom_X: etoile is trying to change that. 18:25 < JBeshir> smw_: You need to fix that statement, but I think I know what you mean. 18:26 < taruti> btw new windows versions are quite posixy 18:26 < gucko> so ob-C isn't as portable as Java or C! 18:26 < JBeshir> Anyways, I personally think Go is an excellent language to learn because it is fast, but provides the key things needed to make programming more efficient and simpler, like garbage collection and interfaces. 18:26 < smw_> JBeshir: I think it is portable when it works on win, mac, linux without extra code. 18:26 < JBeshir> And safe programming easier, too; types and so. 18:26 < JBeshir> smw_: There you go. :P 18:27 < JBeshir> I think "portable" requires a clause saying *what* it is portable between to be really evaluatable. 18:27 * dho_plan9 hates this artifical "win / mac / linux" triage. 18:27 < smw_> gucko: what are you making? 18:27 < Venom_X> gucko: I guess you might want to tell us what you're trying to do. It might be that go fits your challenge. Or not? 18:27 < smw_> dho_plan9: but it is reality. It does not matter if you hate it. 18:27 < dho_plan9> There are tons of other operating systems that enjoy widespread use that are none of those three. 18:27 -!- gucko [~gucko@p5796BC95.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #go-nuts [] 18:27 < Venom_X> hehe.. we got trolled 18:28 < JBeshir> dho_plan9: I think "portable" as a word is largely ambiguous. 18:28 < smw_> dho_plan9: well... mac + linux = just about all unix. If it works on those two, it should work on others 18:28 < dho_plan9> ehhhhhhh 18:28 < JBeshir> Assuming a default of "to the three largest desktop operating systems" 18:28 < JBeshir> Seems reasonable to me 18:28 < taruti> Go is not very portable at the moment. 18:28 < JBeshir> But I think arguing the right interpretation of an ambiguous statement is kinda silly, so it doesn't matter much 18:29 < smw_> +1 JBeshir 18:29 -!- bert2_ [~IceChat7@p4FDC9D8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:29 < smw_> and gucko is one of the most successful trolls I have seen. 18:29 < dho_plan9> JBeshir: I'd argue that portability has nothing to do with what it does run on, but what it can run on. 18:29 < dho_plan9> :) 18:30 < JBeshir> Could you explain? 18:30 < dho_plan9> JBeshir: If you have a closed program that runs on one OS, that's certainly not portable. 18:30 < JBeshir> Ah. 18:31 < dho_plan9> If you have an open source bit of code that runs on one OS, it's very portable. It may not be portED, but that doesn't necessarily preclude its portability. 18:31 < JBeshir> Interesting. 18:31 < JBeshir> What if it is in platform-specific assembly? 18:31 < JBeshir> Is it portable because it could be ported to another language? 18:31 < JBeshir> (Possibly another platform's assembly) 18:32 < dho_plan9> Portability is a concept. So if the functionality can exist in a conceptually similar fashion, then yeah. 18:32 < JBeshir> Interesting view. 18:32 < JBeshir> Literally "capable of being ported" 18:32 < dho_plan9> I mean, I ported Go to FreeBSD, there's platform / arch specific assembler there. 18:33 < dho_plan9> But it's not really difficult 18:33 < JBeshir> Different definition of the term, "capable of being ported" rather than "functions without changes". Closer to the word itself. 18:34 < smw_> dho_plan9: tell that to a person that wants his kde program on windows. 18:34 < smw_> not that difficult? 18:34 < JBeshir> Why would someone want a KDE program 18:34 < JBeshir> Okay, sorry, I shouldn't have said that, I kid. XD 18:34 < smw_> lol 18:34 < dho_plan9> I was speaking specifically of the Go port. 18:34 < smw_> My mom wants kbreakout. It is a great arcade game :-) 18:35 < JBeshir> Damn game suites. 18:35 < JBeshir> I think I have GNOME's. 18:35 < dho_plan9> JBeshir: So, if "functions without changes" is the definition, sure. But any mildly complex application probably requires some OS-specific code. 18:35 < smw_> game suites tied into desktop suites. 18:35 < JBeshir> dho_plan9: Yeah. 18:35 < dho_plan9> (Which is why I tend to view it with my own definition) 18:35 < taruti> Go avoiding libc makes porting harder. 18:36 < smw_> dho_plan9: I have to agree with that. Unless it is running inside a box (python) 18:36 < JBeshir> Well 18:36 < JBeshir> Even then, portable is limited. 18:36 < smw_> JBeshir: how? 18:36 < JBeshir> smw_: It runs on things Python runs on 18:36 < dho_plan9> smw_: Because you're relying on ... ^ 18:36 < smw_> true 18:37 < smw_> I mean that it runs without anything on what the python was ported to 18:37 < smw_> all my python apps work on all python compatable systems. Without any modification 18:37 < dho_plan9> Unless you do OS-specific stuff 18:37 < JBeshir> dho_plan9: I wouldn't presume at all to say "your definition is wrong", I find it an interesting thing. 18:37 < dho_plan9> (Hardcoding paths, for instance) 18:38 < smw_> of course python's source is probably riddled with if windows then... 18:38 < JBeshir> Haha. 18:38 < JBeshir> Disturbingly possible. 18:38 < dho_plan9> Nah, python's got all its OS-specific code in different directories. 18:38 < dho_plan9> for that OS 18:38 < JBeshir> Ah. 18:38 < JBeshir> Neater. 18:38 < dho_plan9> specifically to avoid #ifdef hell 18:39 < smw_> cool 18:39 < dho_plan9> But yeah, using the other definition, just because it's written in a "portable" language doesn't make the program inherently portable 18:40 < JBeshir> Using the other definition, I think everything is only "portable to <set of platforms>" 18:40 < dho_plan9> And then once modules come into play, it gets even hairier 18:40 < smw_> dho_plan9: I have been wondering, what is the best way to have a func act differently on two OS with go? 18:40 < smw_> for example 18:40 < smw_> the path pkg 18:40 < JBeshir> Which is a kinda weird way to use a word "portable". 18:40 < JBeshir> Damnit, now it looks strange. 18:40 < smw_> How would I extend it to check if it is on windows and compile a different function? 18:40 < dho_plan9> smw_: Have two different implementations in different files, conditionally compiling in one or the other depending on the OS 18:41 < dho_plan9> See for example pkg/os 18:41 < smw_> ok 18:41 < dho_plan9> or pkg/net 18:41 < smw_> or syscall 18:41 < dho_plan9> syscall's grosser because much of it is at least partially autogenerated. 18:41 < smw_> I was thinking of rewriting path to work with windows 18:42 < smw_> as long as someone is porting it 18:42 < dho_plan9> There's been some recent progress if subjects from the ML are any indication 18:42 < dho_plan9> I haven't been particularly active in the community recently 18:47 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:47 < taruti> btw has anyone got a working socketpair or file descriptor sending code written in Go? 18:48 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: slashus2] 18:49 -!- conra [~conrad@host-89-229-12-166.torun.mm.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:54 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 18:56 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has joined #go-nuts 18:58 < Zoopee> Go is a language, i.e. an interface. The common ordinary concept refers to implementations, not interfaces. 18:58 -!- GilJ [~gilles@78-22-170-204.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00 -!- GilJ [~gilles@78-22-170-204.access.telenet.be] has joined #go-nuts 19:00 < Zoopee> And then for an actual implementation, i.e. code, for "portability" to be meaningful you need to assume (or declare) some relevant base. 19:07 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:08 -!- KnightMage [~jon@host86-146-113-163.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:13 < ptrb> so if I emailed Joan directly and told him/her to stop posting to golang-nuts, would it have any effect? has anyone done this yet? 19:13 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:15 < sladegen> i think they did... 19:16 -!- addos [~98340003@gateway/web/freenode/x-ibstifgwmeralnky] has joined #go-nuts 19:16 < kmeyer> ptrb: no effect whatsoever 19:16 < kmeyer> pretty sure I've done the same 19:16 < addos> why does the { have to be on the same line as a func name? 19:17 < kmeyer> addos: because of the automatic semicolon insertion by the lexer 19:17 < Zoopee> For an arbitrary C program that does some processing and reads/writes stdin/stdio/files, a reasonable base for "portable" would mean standard C. i.e. you can compile it with any C compiler and standard C library on any system that has those and run it. For a network server using processes and such, a reasonable base to define "portable" would be standard Unix stuff -- if you can build and run it on any Unix system, it's portable. 19:17 < kmeyer> addos: I think the go faq mentions it 19:17 < kmeyer> that is, in more detail 19:17 < addos> let me take a look 19:17 < JBeshir> addos: Because the parser reads it as an end of statement, otherwise. 19:17 < JBeshir> Ends of line in many cases are implicit ends of statement. 19:18 < kmeyer> Zoopee: however, re-implementing all of the stuff most programs need for portability adds a bunch of overhead 19:18 < kmeyer> fortunately there's things like the APR 19:19 < addos> is there an easy way to read lines from a file, a line at a time? 19:20 < Zoopee> kmeyer: not sure what you are referring to, but your general statement sounds right 19:20 < kmeyer> heh, sorry 19:21 < kmeyer> I think we agree, but I'm too tired to express myself correctly at the moment 19:21 < kmeyer> :) 19:21 < kmeyer> addos: wrap your Reader in a bufio.Reader, and then ReadString('\n') or ReadBytes('\n') 19:22 -!- aho [~nya@f051236150.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION] 19:22 < addos> let me try that 19:28 -!- sjbrown [~sjbrown@dsl081-072-059.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:29 < ptrb> Well, let's see if a single-line reply of "Please stop posting to the golang-nuts mailing list. 19:29 < ptrb> " has any effect 19:32 -!- millertimek1a2m3 [~adam@rrcs-67-79-54-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:32 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32 -!- tumdum [~tumdum@unaffiliated/tumdum] has joined #go-nuts 19:33 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@f051037162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:35 -!- tumdum_ [~tumdum@unaffiliated/tumdum] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:35 -!- surma [~surma@95-88-88-188-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:36 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@e176245224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:39 -!- surma [~surma@95-88-88-188-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #go-nuts [] 19:39 -!- dju_ [dju@sd-13356.dedibox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:39 -!- dju_ [dju@null.dmz.me] has joined #go-nuts 19:44 -!- jwillia3 [~chatzilla@71.23.157.238] has joined #go-nuts 19:46 -!- sjbrown [~sjbrown@dsl081-072-059.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:46 -!- terrex [~terrex@44.38.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:47 < Zoopee> What I meant to say is, as the nature of your program (as in, what it is actually doing) becomes more specific, you need to restrict the base space for "portability". If you write an audio player, you are obviously going to depend on some audio interface -- so ANSI C by itself would be a useless base to claim it is un-portable. OTOH if you write a program to removes duplicate messages from a mailbox, it's not reasonably portable if it works only on Linux x64 19:49 -!- jwillia3 [~chatzilla@71.23.157.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:52 < Zoopee> So you can ask if the Go compiler, or the Go runtime are portable. For both of these it's a lot more difficult to define such a base though. Compilers are generally inherently unportable, since they write out processor-specific (e.g. amd64) machine code in a system-specific format (e.g. ELF). But just asking whether "Go is portable" is rather meaningless. 19:54 < Zoopee> Of course in the real world you often have some part where you need some unportable functionality and use a system specific interface for that. If your program is modular and you can abstract that out of the rest of the code, then various parts of the code can have their appropriate level of portability. 19:55 -!- terrex [~terrex@44.38.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #go-nuts 20:03 -!- yaroslav [~yaroslav@ppp85-140-191-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #go-nuts 20:19 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-37-101.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:20 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21 -!- letoh [~letoh@59-105-28-76.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:24 -!- dju_ [dju@null.dmz.me] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:25 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 20:30 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@adsl-99-20-147-171.dsl.aus2tx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 20:30 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36 -!- fusion44 [~quassel@p5B286B33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:39 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@149.sub-75-208-186.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:40 -!- defectiv [~clays@c-24-5-65-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@74.61.90.217] has joined #go-nuts 20:47 -!- fwiffo [~none@unaffiliated/fwiffo] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:48 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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