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--- Log opened Sun May 02 00:00:54 2010
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00:16 < Limbic_Region> salutations all
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00:29 < BrowserUk> ?
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00:38 < BrowserUk> Can, or are there any plans for, go to allow the creation
of .so/dlls?
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00:50 < jessta> BrowserUk: not at the moment
00:50 < jessta> and dynamic linking sucks
01:00 < fuzzybyte> has anyone used jsonrpc package?  i can't find any
examples
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01:29 < BrowserUk> Jessta: Sucks or not (and I'm sure we could have a lively
debate on that), there are some things that lend themselves to dynamic linking
that are difficult if not impossible to achieve any other way.
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01:33 < BrowserUk> At the moment I'm considering writing the dynmic parts in
C, and the wrapping them over as you do for OS stuff, but it'd be much nicer--and
far less work--to write them in go in the first place.
01:34 < BrowserUk> The other alternative is D, but that never seems to reach
stability.
01:35 < jessta> BrowserUk: there are?
01:35 < BrowserUk> Yes
01:36 < BrowserUk> Look at CPAN.
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01:43 < BrowserUk> jessta:Defeated already :)
01:44 < jessta> BrowserUk: why does CPAN-like things require dynamic
linking?
01:45 < jessta> CPAN is a bad example, perl is an interpreted language
01:45 < BrowserUk> jessta: But many of those 18000 modules there have
compiled components.
01:46 < jessta> and what stops you from compiling them?
01:48 < BrowserUk> Jessta: Nothing.  They have to be compiled.  But
statically adding a substantial proportion of the 18000 modules by 7000 authors
into a single executable woudl just not work.
01:49 < jessta> huh?  what a strange thing to do
01:52 < BrowserUk> jessta:Not if you're wanting to use go to build an
interpreter.
01:52 < sladegen> and why does dynamic linking suck?
01:52 < BrowserUk> sladegen:Wrong question :)
01:53 < sladegen> i'm just curious, never heard arguments against it...
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01:55 < jessta> sladegen: really?  there are a whole thread about it on the
mailing list
01:56 < sladegen> not reading everything...  so many mailing lists, so
little of me.
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01:59 < BrowserUk> jessta:Got a link or keywords for that--searching isn't
tuning anything up for me.
02:00 < sladegen> jessta: you mean about the plugins in a browsers?  bah...
if plugin's code sucks it hardly matters how you connect it.  if it sucks, don't
use it...
02:01 < sladegen> it=plugin/feature
02:01 < jesusaurus> i seem to be having trouble installing go on freebsd
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02:02 < jesusaurus> does all.bash go boom for other people too?  (on bsd)
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02:18 < jessta> jesusaurus: go boom?
02:20 < jessta> sladegen: it's complex, it breaks backwards compatibility,
it's error prone etc.
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02:24 < BrowserUk> jessta:Essentially, you're saying it's not typesafe?
02:25 < Ginto8> BrowserUk: that would sound about right
02:25 < Ginto8> dynamic linking can cause a lot of difficulty when it comes
to maintaining a typesafe environment
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02:26 < jessta> BrowserUk: it also doesn't have the advantages it claims to
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02:27 < Ginto8> jessta: though you can't say that it doesn't have certain
advantages
02:27 < jessta> since in most cases different versions of the same library
aren't compatible
02:27 < jessta> Ginto8: you can get the same advantages using IPC
02:27 < Ginto8> hmm
02:27 < Ginto8> good point
02:27 < BrowserUk> Jessta:You mean, smaller executables; shared memory
footprint?
02:28 < jessta> yeah
02:29 < jessta> you end up with a larger footprint because you have to load
multiple versions of the library anyway
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02:30 < jessta> plus programs load slower due to the time spent linking
02:30 < JBeshir> I disagree with "in most cases"
02:30 < JBeshir> I don't exactly have doubles of every library on my system
02:31 < JBeshir> In fact, I believe I have fairly few.
02:32 < BrowserUk> jessta: That's probably platform dependant,
but...versioning dlls is no different to versioning libraries.  It just tales
management.
02:33 < BrowserUk> And if you have two executables statically linked against
different versions of a library, you have the same situation as two executables
dynamically linked against different versions of a dynamic library
02:37 < BrowserUk> jessta: For how many programs is load-time critical?
02:37 < JBeshir> In my view, "all of them"
02:37 < JBeshir> :P
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02:39 < BrowserUk> JBeshir: I haven't restarted my browser or my editor for
...  at least a month.  A few milliseconds at startup ....
02:43 < BrowserUk> Hm. I guess I "won" that one ;) "Time for bed", said
Zebedee.
02:43 < JBeshir> No, not really
02:44 < JBeshir> Stating "Well, I disagree" when it comes to subjective
value isn't "winning" just because there's no counterargument for it
02:44 < BrowserUk> JBeshir: Not at all.  But it's hard to argue with
silence, and nearly 4:00 am here.  Night all.
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07:21 < Archwyrm> Anyone else getting 'abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal
Server Error' when trying to pull from the repo?
07:23 < jessta> Archwyrm: works fine here
07:23 < Archwyrm> Hmm..
07:24 < Archwyrm> Now it goes, heh
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08:40 < taruti> If I need some code as a shared library is that possible
with gc?
08:41 < taruti> cgo exported functions, but would like it to work
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08:43 < Archwyrm> Does anybody know who coined the phrase " Do not
communicate by sharing memory; instead, share memory by communicating." I need to
cite it for my honors thesis.
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09:02 < neurodamage> google?
09:02 < neurodamage> :P
09:02 < neurodamage> oh wait actually i have the link right here
09:03 < neurodamage> http://tinyurl.com/28v9nup
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09:06 < Archwyrm> neurodamage: Wow, I wouldn't have thought of THAT.  Take
your silly animated Google searches elsewhere.  That phrase only turns up results
related to Go.
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09:07 < neurodamage> ahh ignored
09:08 < GilJ> D:
09:09 < GilJ> Woops sorry guys +_+
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10:13 < taruti> What is the most convenient way to write out constants like:
2**64 -1 in Go?
10:16 < Zoopee> taruti: Maybe (1 << 64 - 1) ?
10:17 < taruti> point :)
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10:18 < taruti> thanks
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15:14 < fenicks> hello
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15:19 < kimelto> morning!
15:19 < Ideal> evening!
15:22 < BrowserUk> A'noon.
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15:45 < manveru> uriel: http://gist.github.com/386299
15:45 < manveru> wrote a much better version of the game of life
15:46 < manveru> maybe someone can go over it and point out improvments...
i'm still learning
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16:21 < uriel> manveru: cool
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17:51 < BrowserUk> jessta:You about?
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17:54 < BrowserUk> jessta: Why does DL have to break type safety?
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20:05 < allengeorge> An obvious question: how do I console IO?
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20:09 < sladegen> perhaps buy it flowers...
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20:33 < allengeorge> Hah :P
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21:20 < tazjin> Googling Go-related stuff is very hard.
21:21 < taruti> tazjin: use "golang"
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21:22 < tazjin> hm, I'll try
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21:28 < uriel> tazjin: try: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-search
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