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00:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cPrdD by [Rob Pike] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
fmt.Print*: reimplement to switch on type first.
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00:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cPs4P by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
fmt.Printf: write tests for %T.
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01:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cPu9G by [Russ Cox] in 3 subdirs of go/ --
runtime: correct fault for 16-bit divide on Leopard
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04:36 < ekontsevoy> Any news regarding compiling code into shared libraries?
I've been following go news for half a year now waitingn for it...  (what do you
guys use Go for?  nearly all systems programming tasks I ever needed C for were
all so/dlls...)
04:36 < kmeyer> ekontsevoy: gccgo.
04:37 < Eko> ekontsevoy: I use it for monolithic solutions… it'd be nice to
have shared library loading of go code, but I don't expect C code to be able to
call go code even though it's on the roadmap
04:38 < ekontsevoy> Eko: its' kind of weird that they started with
executables...
04:38 < ekontsevoy> kmeyer: will check it out, thanks!
04:38 < ekontsevoy> I'm looking to call it from C(Nginx) and Python...
04:39 < Eko> ekontsevoy: not really, actually.  It makes a lot more sense.
04:40 < Eko> It's a lot easier to write a compiler that goes from source to
executable objects than to make one that writes object code that conforms to all
of the calling conventions and expectations of another language while still trying
to do all of the stuff that Go does (garbage collection, goroutines, etc)
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04:41 < ekontsevoy> Well, whatever they needed themselves.  :) I, for one,
haven't produced an executable in 4-5 years.  The stuff usually runs under
python/ruby/apache/java/nginx or even iexplore.exe :-) Could be just "bad luck"
04:42 < Eko> eh, yeah, that doesn't sound much like systems programming
though
04:42 < Namegduf> Stuff that runs under Python, Ruby or Java would be
produced as an executable in Go
04:42 < Eko> augmenting existing systems isn't really in the purview of a
"systems language"
04:43 < Eko> and I wouldn't consider any of those languages a systems
language, though I know I'd be fought with on the Java front.
04:43 < Eko> (and I'd probably concede, because I still base my judgment on
the Java of 10 years ago, when I tried to use it before going quickly to C)
04:44 < ekontsevoy> Eko: well, I did some protocol work in C which was used
primarily by Python processes, then an nginx module and an IE plug-in.  Typical
stuff one would want to use C or C++ for.  Eager to try out Go for that.
04:44 < Ginto8> well if you use small but useful packages as part of your
program you get a semi-monolithic program that is still compact and can be moved
from one system to the next, still working regardless of other libraries
04:45 < Ginto8> Go is quite small in regard to the size of its libraries
04:45 < Namegduf> ekontsevoy: You typically write modules and such in C
because they're plugging into something already written in C.
04:45 < Namegduf> C plugging into C isn't quite the same to expect as Go
plugging into C.
04:45 < ekontsevoy> Namegduf: the world is written in C. everything else is
just configuration :)
04:46 < Ginto8> well C or a C derivative
04:46 < Namegduf> ekontsevoy: And perhaps that means Go needs stuff to work
with C.
04:46 < Ginto8> even Go is based on C
04:46 < Ginto8> Namegduf, you mean better than cgo?
04:46 < Namegduf> But it's not quite the same.
04:46 < Ginto8> b/c cgo is really useful
04:46 < Namegduf> No, I don't mean anything in particular
04:46 < Eko> cgo… doesn't have a gc
04:47 < Eko> er, gccgo, I guess
04:47 < Ginto8> wtf
04:47 < Namegduf> No, cgo is something different.
04:47 < Eko> yeah, I keep getting them backward.
04:47 < Ginto8> now that isn't just begging for memory leaks
04:47 < Eko> Ginto8: they're working on it
04:48 < Ginto8> so anyway what are you attempting to do Namegduf ?
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04:48 < Eko> ekontsevoy: protocol work should be done with protocol buffers,
which are supported by just about everything now ^_^
04:50 < ekontsevoy> Eko: not following....
04:51 < ekontsevoy> Oh found it.
04:51 < Ginto8> proto.protobuf right?
04:51 < Ginto8> or somethin like that
04:51 < ekontsevoy> holy moses...  nice
04:51 < Eko> http://protobuf.googlecode.com/
04:52 < Eko> and if that's not good enough, JSON is also widely supported,
and http://json-rpc.org/ could be the solution of choice
04:53 < ekontsevoy> Eko: thats kinda what I was doing: I wanted to take
nginx and add BSON support to it (binary json from 10gen's MongoDB)
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05:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cPJ3H by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- Effective
Go: update ...  discussion.
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08:39 < nsf> are there any pastebin kind of thing with Go syntax support?
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08:41 < nsf> anyway..  I have this kind of small example:
http://codepad.org/XMadUPiM
08:41 < nsf> the program is incorrect (there should be *ast.FuncDecl in case
statement)
08:41 < mpl> http://gopaste.de/
08:42 < nsf> but instead of a compilation error it dies with segfault
08:42 < nsf> i guess it's a bug
08:43 < nsf> mpl: thanks :)
08:44 < nsf> mpl: it doesn't work at all in my chromium :)
08:45 < nsf> and in firefox too
08:45 < nsf> :\
08:46 < mpl> can't help you with that.  I just googled for it.
08:46 < nsf> :)
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08:59 < waterwalker> nsf: http://pastie.org/
09:00 < nsf> waterwalker: thanks :)
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13:03 < EthanG> What is Go's "nacl"?  native on hardware or native in
Chrome?
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13:29 < uriel> EthanG: it is Google's NativeClient
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13:29 < EthanG> oh..  ok
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13:34 < uriel> EthanG: for native hardware see:
http://code.google.com/p/go/source/detail?r=ffbf0900a2
13:35 < EthanG> ah cheers!
13:36 < EthanG> I wonder if it would be much different for ARM
13:38 < uriel> i think somebody said something about native-arm
13:38 < uriel> wish I remember who and what
13:38 < uriel> (but it was along the lines of 'got it working' or 'very
close to getting it working')
13:39 < EthanG> coolio
13:39 < EthanG> I should probably rejoin the ML when I get serious about it
13:40 < uriel> ah, see src/pkg/runtime/tiny/arm
13:40 < uriel>
http://code.google.com/p/go/source/browse/src/pkg/runtime/tiny/README
13:41 < EthanG> oh!
13:44 * uriel adds reference to that in http://go-lang.cat-v.org/os-ports
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13:44 < uriel> EthanG: using http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-search is usually a
good idea when you are looking for Go stuff ;)
13:45 < EthanG> ah, ok ^^'
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13:51 < EthanG> Part of me would like to just start from scratch on an OS
for my zaurus, but I think I'd get fed up long before I had framebuffer, keyboard,
compact-flash drivers
13:51 < EthanG> not to mention a filesystem, but I think FAT12/16 aren't
hard
13:53 < exch> finishing a project can be overrated.  As long as you're
having fun working on it and possibly learn something from it, who cares if it
ever usable and semi-complete state?  :)
13:53 < EthanG> well true :)
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14:28 < scoeri> is there an alternative for something like wait/notifyAll
for goroutines in go?
14:32 < jessta> scoeri: you'd probably use channels for that
14:33 < scoeri> yeah, i thought about that, but what if multiple goroutines
are waiting for a channel to contain some value?
14:34 < scoeri> only the first one to empty it will continue
14:34 < jessta> yeah, but you could have mutiple channels
14:34 <+iant> you would need to insert another goroutine which reads from
the input channel and writes to all the output channels
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14:34 < scoeri> hmm
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14:58 < scoeri> http://pastebin.com/B53XBszN
14:58 < scoeri> this is what I came up with
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16:51 < skelterjohn> regarding scoeri's question - yeah a way to get many
channels that are filled with whatever comes out of a given channel would be
useful
16:51 < skelterjohn> something that, if generics/templates/etc were
available, could be made part of the standard library ;)
16:51 < skelterjohn> but easy to implement on a case-by-case basis as well
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17:13 < mpl> Can I parse the command line flags in init() or is it a bad
idea?
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17:23 < skelterjohn> try and let us know?  sounds like a bad idea to me,
though
17:24 < skelterjohn> but, maybe the package you use for that does things in
its init, in which case it would be safe to do it in your init
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17:27 < mpl> basically there's some stuff I want to do in init() that I do
depending on one of the flags value.  however, there's no reason for that stuff to
absolutely be in init(), I can move it in main without any problem.  was just
wondering what's the cleanest way.
17:28 < mpl> I figured if I can trim things out of main() it would look
nicer but there's no other incentive than that.
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19:45 < DASPRiD> hey, i wonder if there are classes/objects in go
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19:47 < jesusaurus> no, there arent
19:47 < DASPRiD> hm… sad
19:48 < EthanG> DASPRiD:
http://blog.golang.org/2010/04/json-rpc-tale-of-interfaces.html
19:50 < DASPRiD> EthanG, is that link actually meant for me?
19:52 < skelterjohn> saying "no" is a bit sneaky
19:53 < skelterjohn> there are basic equivalents to classes/objects in go
19:53 < skelterjohn> but we use them differently
19:53 < skelterjohn> and it can be a mistake to map them one to one
19:53 < DASPRiD> can you probably show me an example?
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19:53 < DASPRiD> because i'm pretty used to object-oriented programming, and
didn't do any procedural stuff anymore for years
19:53 < skelterjohn> take a look at the "effective go" document on
golang.org
19:54 < DASPRiD> anything specific there or just the entire doc?
19:55 < EthanG> DASPRiD: well I'm not really an OO programmer, but I thought
it remarkable how much easier the blogger seemed to think it was to add JsonRPC to
Go than it would have been to an OO language.  See the last 3 paragraphs in
particular
19:55 < skelterjohn> try "interfaces and other types"
19:56 < DASPRiD> skelterjohn, already there :)
19:56 < DASPRiD> skelterjohn, it's not really that much about oo
19:57 < skelterjohn> go is not really an oo language
19:57 < skelterjohn> but that section is about how to do the things you want
19:57 < skelterjohn> without being oo
19:57 < skelterjohn> and being go.  o.
19:57 < DASPRiD> ah:
http://golang.org/doc/go_faq.html#Is_Go_an_object-oriented_language
19:57 < DASPRiD> should just have found that :)
19:58 < skelterjohn> good find
20:00 < DASPRiD> okay i see… okay looks like i have to get used to some
procedural programming again
20:00 < cenuij> DASPRiD: you'll be fine ;)
20:00 < DASPRiD> cenuij, hey ^^
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20:01 < skelterjohn> it's not that go forces you to be procedural
20:01 < skelterjohn> it's that it doesn't force you to be oo
20:01 < skelterjohn> you can, if you like, do everything in the context of
structs with receiver methods
20:01 < skelterjohn> which can feel fairly oo
20:02 < DASPRiD> got any link where i can read about those receiver methods?
20:03 < skelterjohn> i think you should take a look at the tutorial and
learn go, rather than learn how to map java to go
20:03 < skelterjohn> it's all in there
20:03 < DASPRiD> i already looked at the tutorial ;)
20:03 < DASPRiD> (oh, and i'm not a java guy ;))
20:03 < skelterjohn> then i'm referring to methods with signatures that look
like "func (r ReceiverType) foo()"
20:04 < cenuij> DASPRiD: this might interest you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgVhBThJdXc was the Go language talk from this
years Google I/O conference
20:04 < skelterjohn> i don't know if i made up the jargon "receiver method"
or not.  i probably heard it somewhere.
20:04 < DASPRiD> cenuij, tx, will look at it
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20:06 < DASPRiD> skelterjohn, thanks as well, i will work through at it
20:06 < skelterjohn> cool
20:08 < cenuij> DASPRiD: the code used in the talk is in the main repo i
believe doc/talks/
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20:13 < cenuij> DASPRiD: oh and of course, searching
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts ofetn finds an answer quicker than
googles main index
20:14 < DASPRiD> great :)
20:14 < DASPRiD> cenuij, so, how comes that you are here?
20:14 < cenuij> oh I finished my last projects a couple of weeks ago and
felt it was time to learn something new :)
20:15 < DASPRiD> hehe
20:15 < cenuij> So i'll write a small application server (will probably bolt
on one of the Go fastcgi implementations to use my existing ZF stuff at first)
20:16 < DASPRiD> haha nice
20:17 < cenuij> but so far I like the brevity of the language, I don't seem
to be writing much cruft
20:17 < DASPRiD> wait, google itself can upload 56 minute videos?
20:17 < DASPRiD> usually you can only upload 10minute videos there, right?
20:18 < cenuij> I think you can add more if you have partner or better
status
20:18 < DASPRiD> hehe
20:18 < cenuij> add more lengthy videos i mean
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20:18 < DASPRiD> or be the hoster itself ;)
20:18 < cenuij> indeed :)
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20:20 < ita> is it possible to let normal c apps use the libraries made by
gopackage?  (the .a files)
20:21 < skelterjohn> not sure, ita.  i don't think that is supported, but i
haven't been keeping up that well
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20:22 < DASPRiD> cenuij, i hope that talk is going to show more than static
java class -> golang, static is...  welll ;)
20:22 < DASPRiD> at 15 minutes now
20:22 * ita is waiting for an expert to answer the question
20:22 < cenuij> DASPRiD: the talk completely changes direction after the
type based stuff, different speaker
20:23 < DASPRiD> ah great
20:23 < kmeyer> ita: not at this point.
20:23 < skelterjohn> ita: i don't suggest holding your breath.  the nice
thing about irc is people can see your question hours later and then answer it.
20:24 < ita> kmeyer: thanks
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20:30 < ita> will that cause problems if the compiler output files are
called .o and not .6 or .8 ?
20:32 < skelterjohn> 6g and 8g create .6 and .8 files
20:32 < skelterjohn> does gccgo create .o?
20:33 < skelterjohn> 6l might barf if you try to link .o files, then again
it might not care as long as they have the right stuff in them
20:33 <+iant> gccgo creates .o files
20:33 <+iant> 6l can't link ordinary .o files
20:33 < skelterjohn> i was talking about if he renamed the .6 files to .o
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20:34 <+iant> the name of the file doesn't make much difference; I suppose I
was using the names as shorthand for the format
20:35 < skelterjohn> not sure which scenario ita meant, anyway
20:35 < skelterjohn> either way the question is answered
20:35 < skelterjohn> ^5
20:35 < ita> yes, thanks!
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20:51 < ita> can go apps use libraries made by other compilers?  (shared?
static?  ; gcc?  g++?)
20:51 < skelterjohn> using cgo you can interface with C code
20:51 < skelterjohn> and from there, the world
20:52 * ita is reading about cgo
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21:10 < ita> skelterjohn: have you actually used cgo?  the gmp example does
not create a binary calling gmp (or if it does, i cannot see it)
21:10 < skelterjohn> i haven't, sorry
21:12 < ita> ok
21:12 < ita> ah, it seems make must be called with the target, grr
21:12 < skelterjohn> but from what i understand, it can be a headache
21:12 < skelterjohn> but things may have changed
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21:14 < ita> gcc -m64 -o _cgo_.so gmp.cgo2.o -lgmp ...start.S:109: undefined
reference to `main' -_-
21:16 < nsf> where is -shared?
21:16 < nsf> :)
21:16 < Tonnerre> Do you mean -c ?
21:16 < Tonnerre> Or -shared, yes
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21:17 < nsf> and for x86_64 -fPIC would be good also
21:18 < ita> eh, it is the Makefile from ~/go/misc/cgo/stdio/
21:19 < ita> big headache, looks like something one does not want to touch
unless forced to
21:19 < nsf> gcc -m32 -o _cgo_.so file.cgo2.o -shared -lpthread -lm
21:19 < nsf> well it works for me
21:19 < nsf> and all flags are there
21:20 < Tonnerre> .oO(libtool)
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21:21 < nsf> ita: ah!  I remember you, you're Thomas Nagy the author of waf
:)
21:21 < nsf> nice to see you :)
21:22 < ita> nsf: (dont!)
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21:22 < nsf> )
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21:24 < nsf> are you planning to add go support in waf?  because personally
i hate makefiles :)
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21:25 < ita> nsf: it makes a while it exists - i am just making an update
and checking the integration with other languages for the next big version
21:25 < nsf> hm..
21:26 < ita> nsf: you have seen demos/goexample, haven't you?
21:26 < nsf> but it doesn't support generating cgo modules
21:26 < nsf> I haven't yes, but I'm looking at it right now
21:26 < ita> nsf: generating cgo modules is a big mess, unless you
contribute the cmdlines and an example
21:27 < nsf> well, I have only a library with cgo bindings and a Makefile,
if it helps: http://github.com/nsf/termbox/tree/master/go/
21:27 < nsf> but it's the same mess
21:29 < ita> nsf: when in misc/gmp, what's the output of "make"?
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/735842
21:30 < nsf> on my machine it fails for some reason
21:30 < nsf> one moment
21:31 < nsf> http://codepad.org/Adee2lJC
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21:31 < ita> for some reason, uh?
21:31 < nsf> probably a version mismatch or something, I use bleeding edge
distro
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21:32 < nsf> well those are just examples
21:32 < nsf> I think no one really supports them in a wide sense
21:32 < nsf> :)
21:32 < ita> yes, and they could work at least
21:32 < ita> otherwise i start to think that the cgo thing is a big joke to
make people waste their time on it
21:33 < nsf> you can look at big libraries that more or less supported, like
Go-OpenGL
21:33 < nsf> or Go-SDL
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21:33 < nsf> ita: it's the only thing we have currently, and SWIG also, but
SWIG complicates C bindings even more
21:33 < ita> nsf: give me a small example that works (the gmp would be fine)
21:34 < nsf> uh..  gimme a sec I'll write one :)
21:35 < ita> nsf: what about that gmp example from the go distribution?
21:35 < nsf> I can't say that it's small
21:35 < skelterjohn> i failed at compiling go-sdl or go-opengl
21:35 < ita> if should link to a system library at least ...
21:35 < skelterjohn> i forget why
21:35 < skelterjohn> but it didn't work right off
21:36 < nsf> ita: well, I have working (for me) libpng loader, but the .go
code depends on Go-OpenGL and Go-SDL :)
21:36 < nsf> and it's fairly small
21:37 < nsf> skelterjohn: go-opengl and go-sdl had a lot of changes lately
21:37 < ita> nsf: what about removing the opengl and sdl stuff then?
21:37 < skelterjohn> i might check it out again sometime soon
21:37 < ita> nsf: that would be a useful example
21:37 < nsf> ita: the example loads png image to an opengl texture :)
21:37 < nsf> you can't remove opengl here
21:38 < nsf> but I can write a small example for you
21:38 < nsf> like using cairo for example
21:38 < ita> nsf: no example == no support (and the wiki page
http://golang.org/cmd/cgo/ sux)
21:38 < nsf> well, it's sad, but I won't die
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21:38 < nsf> )
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21:40 < nsf> i think the best way is to check out the Go-OpenGL and Go-SDL
21:40 < nsf> they should work
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21:42 < ita> nsf: those are way too big
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21:44 < nsf> i don't know what example should I write for you..
21:44 < ita> nsf: give me working command-lines for the gmp example
21:45 < mpl> uh, if you're looking for a simple cgo example there's sqlite
21:45 < nsf> it doesn't work on my machine, how I supposed to do that?  And
I don't even know how to use gmp :)
21:46 < ita> mpl: can you do this?  ~/go/misc/cgo/gmp && make pi
21:46 < ita> nsf: well too bad then
21:46 < nsf> just run 'make && make install'
21:46 < nsf> it will work
21:47 < ita> nsf: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/735850 ?
21:47 < nsf> hm..
21:48 < nsf> what go version are you using?
21:48 < ita> the one recommended by the wiki hg clone -r release
https://go.googlecode.com/hg/ $GOROOT
21:49 < nsf> you have all the env vars set properly?
21:49 < nsf> env | grep GO
21:49 < mpl> ita: nah, I'm missing the gmp headers and I don't reall ywant
to bother to install it.
21:49 < ita> mpl: and the cmdlines?
21:49 < nsf> there should be GOARCH, GOOS and GOROOT
21:50 < mpl> ita: what cmdlines?
21:50 < nsf> well, ok, I guess I see an error in the makefile
21:51 < nsf> CGO_LDFLAGS=-lgmp
21:51 < nsf> that one should be CGO_LDFLAGS+=-lgmp
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21:52 < nsf> or not
21:52 < nsf> I don't know
21:52 < mpl> oh, I've seen that error before.  couldn't it be that you have
a half assed 64 bits install?
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21:53 < nsf> I mean, certainly this line:
21:53 < nsf> gcc -m64 -o _cgo_.so gmp.cgo2.o -lgmp
21:53 < nsf> misses -shared flag
21:53 < nsf> but why
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21:54 < nsf> _CGO_LDFLAGS_linux=-shared -lpthread -lm
21:54 < nsf> are you sure you have GOOS env var?
21:54 < nsf> i bet you don't
21:55 < ita> well, i do
21:55 < mpl> how about GOARCH, what is it set to?
21:55 < ita> GOOS=linux
21:55 < ita> amd64
21:55 < mpl> can you try it with 386, just for kicks please?
21:55 < nsf> gcc $(_CGO_CFLAGS_$(GOARCH)) -o $@ $(GCC_OFILES) $(CGO_LDFLAGS)
$(_CGO_LDFLAGS_$(GOOS))
21:55 < nsf> well then it should work
21:56 < nsf> there is not so much magic
21:56 * ita recompiles the project, just to see
21:57 < nsf> for some reason your cmd line misses the last variable
21:57 < ita> grr, wrong shell
21:57 < ita> so this was it
21:57 < ita> thanks
22:00 * nsf goes to bed
22:00 < ita> and now i am getting ./fib: error while loading shared
libraries: /home/waf/go/pkg/_amd64/gmp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory
22:00 < nsf> :)
22:01 < nsf> well you are missing GOOS still
22:01 < ita> there is only a gmp.a there
22:01 < ita> still?
22:01 < ita> hmm
22:01 < nsf> /home/waf/go/pkg/_amd64/gmp.so
22:01 < nsf> that one should be
22:01 < nsf> /home/waf/go/pkg/linux_amd64/gmp.so
22:02 < nsf> so..  somewhere you've missed the GOOS :)
22:02 < ita> it worked, but..  i was certain it was there
22:02 < ita> ok
22:02 < nsf> you really should set them up properly
22:02 < nsf> well no
22:02 < nsf> just rebuild
22:02 < nsf> there are two steps
22:03 < nsf> one writes these kind of paths to a special header file for
plan9 C compiler
22:03 < nsf> and other actually compiles as far as I remember
22:03 < nsf> first step worked for you without GOOS
22:03 < nsf> and second didn't
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22:03 < nsf> so, just setup GOOS and rebuild everything
22:04 < ita> ok
22:04 < ita> why does go need gmp.so in a system folder?
22:04 < nsf> in a system folder?
22:04 < nsf> it looks for it in your GOROOT isn't it?
22:05 < ita> yes
22:05 < nsf> there are trickery involved with shared libraries and plan9 C
compiler and gcc compiler :)
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22:06 < nsf> those C compiler aren't friendly to each other
22:06 < nsf> actually I don't really understand this fully (because I don't
want to)
22:06 < nsf> but it's not that hard if you dig in
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22:07 < nsf> ita: but regarding .so paths..  they are just built in to a cgo
tool that way
22:08 < ita> i mean: pi.go compiles and link but will scream at runtime
./pi: error while loading shared libraries: /home/waf/go/pkg/linux_amd64/gmp.so
22:08 < nsf> swig for example generates glue with just library names
22:08 < nsf> ugh
22:08 < nsf> make install should copy that gmp.so
22:08 < nsf> it's _cgo_.so actually but renamed
22:09 < ita> LD_LIBRARY_PATH does not seem to work
22:09 < nsf> it won't
22:09 < nsf> ldd ./pi
22:09 < nsf> will show you that there is absolute path involved
22:10 < ita> yes, /home/waf/go/pkg/linux_amd64/gmp.so => not found
22:10 < ita> the question is, why an absolute path, and how to change that?
22:10 < ita> when i build something, i do not want to touch system folders
22:11 < nsf> it's built-in property of a cgo tool as far as I know
22:11 < nsf> but you can change it
22:11 < ita> -_-
22:11 < nsf> substituting lines
22:11 < nsf> in a generated file
22:11 < nsf> _cgo_defun.c
22:11 < nsf> it should have bunch of #pragma dynimport initcgo initcgo
"/home/nsf/go/pkg/linux_386/libcgo.so"
22:12 < nsf> and for gmp.so somewhere too
22:12 < ita> ok, but pi.go does not use anything, or does it?
22:13 < nsf> it uses gmp.a I guess
22:13 < nsf> this is a static module that contains info about shared library
and Go native functions (glue)
22:13 < nsf> :D
22:13 < nsf> yes!  it is complicated as hell and I hate it too
22:14 < nsf> and I hate those paths
22:14 < ita> 6g -I.  pi.go && 6l -L.  -o pi pi.6 <- this works without
complaining
22:14 < ita> so, wtf is that go linker and why don't go binaries honor
LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
22:14 < nsf> they do
22:14 < nsf> they just use absolute path
22:15 < nsf> why cgo generates absolute paths, ask Go devs
22:15 < nsf> I'd like to know that too
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22:16 < nsf> ita: shared library isn't linked directly by Go compiler
22:16 < ita> nsf: if i remove /home/waf/go/pkg/linux_amd64/gmp.so then "pi"
does not work, regardless of the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
22:16 < nsf> you shouldn't remove it
22:16 < nsf> you should change it to "gmp.so"
22:17 < ita> why can't i remove it
22:17 < ita> say, i distribute a go app that uses gmp
22:17 < nsf> because it tells plan9 C compiler where to look for a shared
library
22:17 < nsf> it uses absolute path by default
22:17 < ita> would you be happy to create
/home/waf/go/pkg/linux_amd64/gmp.so ? :-)
22:17 < nsf> but you can make it use relative path
22:17 < nsf> that works well with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
22:17 < dho> nsf: that's been answered several times on the mailing list
22:17 < ita> dho: ?
22:18 < nsf> dho: I know!  I'm the author of those questions
22:18 < dho> but you can use -r to tell the linker a runtime search path
22:18 < nsf> it's stupid
22:19 < ita> dho: -r, hmm?  but no environment variable to control it?
22:19 < nsf> binary shouldn't have absolute path
22:19 < nsf> it is stupid
22:19 < nsf> why do they do that?
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22:20 < nsf> it's not like it's the only way, they are just crazy plan9 devs
that hate shared libraries
22:20 < ita> calling 6g with -r.  makes the compiler cry
22:20 < nsf> :)
22:20 < dho> I said 6l, not 6g
22:20 < ita> and with only 6l it does not work (/me retries)
22:21 < nsf> ita: don't listen dho, let me tell you what you should do
really
22:21 < dho> Yeah, I just do maintenance and features to cgo, clearly I'm
stupid.
22:22 < nsf> I'm not telling that you're stupid
22:22 < nsf> but I clearly understand what ita wants
22:22 < nsf> and I know how to do it
22:22 < dho> cool, go for it.
22:22 < dho> or are you just referencing
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/20ff377c05e49a5e?pli=1
22:23 < ita> dho: with 6g pi.go && 6l -r.  -o pi pi.6 and gmp.so in the same
directory as pi, ./pi still complains ./pi: error while loading shared libraries:
/home/waf/go/pkg/linux_amd64/gmp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
or directory
22:23 < nsf> yes, read my message here
22:23 < nsf> make clean; make; then change _cgo_defun.c; then make again
22:23 < nsf> and make install or just link
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22:29 < ita> nsf: that works, so cgo needs some post-processing to eliminate
the absolute paths?
22:29 < nsf> currently yes
22:29 < dho> also has to do with the linker
22:30 < dho> which does not generate a full dynamic symbol table
22:30 < dho> it just generates enough to get by.
22:30 < ita> dho: works without "-r."
22:30 < dho> i'm explaining the reasoning behind the path to .so files for
cgo
22:30 < dho> the fix isn't just to do something with cgo
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22:30 < dho> the correct fix anyway
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22:33 < nsf> ok, now I go to bed certainly (4:30 am here), ita - good luck
with that :)
22:34 < dho> goodnight
22:34 < ita> nsf: good night
22:34 < nsf> sweet dreams :)
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22:34 < ita> cgo hmmm...  sucks
22:35 < dho> it's an interesting hack
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22:36 < ita> it basically means that one cannot really readistribute an app
if it links against system libraries
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