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are there tutorials to help how to setup a project and actually use it? 13:40 < chressie> yanick_: in the codelab is an example for a wiki implementation http://golang.org/doc/codelab/wiki/ 13:41 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.69.33] has joined #go-nuts 13:41 < yanick_> chressie, nothing... simple? like the GWT sample startup project ? 13:45 < chressie> nothing that i'm aware of, but here are some libraries, maybe they have some examples: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs 13:52 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-135-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 13:53 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-135-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:03 -!- dahankzter [~henrik@static-92-33-16-3.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #go-nuts [] 14:03 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.69.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09 -!- SRabbelier [~SRabbelie@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 14:09 -!- yanick_ [~yanick@24-226-186-38.tr.cgocable.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:10 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #go-nuts 14:20 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@62.176.237.78] has joined #go-nuts 14:23 < mpl> iant: I have this 64 bits machine on which I intially installed a 32 bits distro. Is there a minimal set of libs/include I can install to use 6g on it, or do I really need to run a full 64 bits distro? 14:25 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.21.107] has joined #go-nuts 14:27 -!- Davidian1024 [~Davidian1@cpe-174-100-47-171.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:28 < wrtp> test 14:28 < DASPRiD> > failed 14:45 -!- artefon [~thiago@usuarios175.dcc.ufmg.br] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:46 -!- ponce [~ponce@paradisia.net] has left #go-nuts [] 14:50 -!- cco3 [~conley@c-69-181-138-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:54 -!- drhodes [~none@209-20-72-61.slicehost.net] has left #go-nuts [] 14:54 -!- drhodes [~none@209-20-72-61.slicehost.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:54 < drhodes> throw: recursive call during initialization - linker skew <- Can anyone tell, just by looking at this error if it's a bug in the linker? 14:55 -!- Paradox924X [~Paradox92@vaserv/irc/founder] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00 -!- thiagon_ [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has joined #go-nuts 15:01 -!- mat__ [~mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:01 -!- cco3 [~conley@c-69-181-138-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02 -!- mat_ [~mat@prod2.absolight.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03 -!- thiagon [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06 < mpl> wrtp: say, you played with images, right? is there enough in the image package to resize an image, say a jpeg? 15:07 -!- barismetin [~barismeti@kde/developer/baris] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07 -!- barismetin [~barismeti@kde/developer/baris] has joined #go-nuts 15:07 < wrtp> mpl: i haven't looked at resizing stuff at all. i'm not sure there's anything currently. 15:07 -!- barismetin [~barismeti@kde/developer/baris] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:08 < mpl> ok 15:09 < mpl> I see a Width and Height function, not sure yet if they do what I want. 15:14 -!- barismetin [~barismeti@kde/developer/baris] has joined #go-nuts 15:17 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-135-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 15:19 -!- visof [~visof@unaffiliated/visof] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:20 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 15:20 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:20 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:22 -!- barismet_ [~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr] has joined #go-nuts 15:23 -!- barismetin [~barismeti@kde/developer/baris] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:28 -!- barismet_ [~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr] has left #go-nuts [] 15:30 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31 -!- Nexoro [~nexo@c-71-192-75-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:33 < jessta> mpl: nope, nothing for resizing 15:36 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:37 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:39 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 15:42 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:45 -!- Silentvoice [~silentvoi@c-76-111-56-192.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:47 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:52 -!- Wiz126 [~Wiz126@24.229.245.72.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:52 -!- Wiz126 [~Wiz126@24.229.245.72.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:55 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@208.87.61.203] has joined #go-nuts 15:55 -!- MizardX [~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56 -!- MizardX [~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx] has joined #go-nuts 15:56 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:00 -!- KinOfCain [~KinOfCain@rrcs-64-183-61-2.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 16:00 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 16:05 <+iant> mpl: If you installed a 32-bit distro, it may not run 64-bit programs 16:05 <+iant> mpl: but from Go's perspective, you don't have to install anything in particular in order to generate 64-bit code 16:05 <+iant> just set GOARCH=amd64 16:05 <+iant> the compilers will be built as 32-bit binaries, but they will generate 64-bit binaries 16:05 -!- Nexoro [~nexo@c-71-192-75-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 16:13 -!- ShadowIce [pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 16:14 -!- ikke [~ikkibr@189.58.214.24.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 16:14 -!- ikke [~ikkibr@189.58.214.24.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Changing host] 16:14 -!- ikke [~ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has joined #go-nuts 16:15 < ni|> hey 16:15 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 16:25 -!- path[l] [~path@59.162.86.164] has quit [Quit: path[l]] 16:26 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@208.87.61.203] has quit [Quit: carllerche] 16:30 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 16:32 < vrtical> OOI, are the excutables gc (6g etc) produces statically linked? 16:32 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:32 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:34 < jessta> vrtical: yes 16:35 < skelterjohn> i am behind on acronyms...what is "OOI"? 16:35 < vrtical> out of interest 16:35 < skelterjohn> one other issue? 16:35 < skelterjohn> ah 16:36 < vrtical> which is a bit pointless as I wouldn't be asking the question if I didn't care, but was meant to denote it was just an aside :-) 16:37 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:40 -!- lloyda2 [~adam@pool-71-125-159-59.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:41 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:41 -!- rv2733 [~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:42 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:42 -!- sahid [~sahid@lev92-4-88-164-132-26.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:43 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 16:44 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #go-nuts 16:44 < dho> "mostly" 16:44 < dho> they contain a small dynamic section, but that is out of necessity for something i can't remember. 16:44 < jessta> cgo? 16:45 < dho> even without using that. maybe that is. i dunno. my head hurts. i have ebolaids 16:46 < dho> aka a cold 16:48 < vrtical> so... what libraries are the executables dynamically linked against? 16:48 -!- path[l] [~path@59.162.86.164] has joined #go-nuts 16:49 -!- napsy_ [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 16:50 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:51 < kmeyer> libm, libc, and ld on this system 16:52 -!- Nexoro [~nexo@c-71-192-75-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:53 < vrtical> ok, so if you moved an executable, say from a ubuntu box to a fedora one (with the same arch) it might blow up on a different libc version. 16:53 -!- Nexoro [~nexo@c-71-192-75-183.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 16:54 < vrtical> (not that that's a thing I'm keen to do, though I guess some closed-source vendors do such things occasionally) 16:54 < jessta> kmeyer: not the compilers 16:54 < kmeyer> ahhh 16:54 < jessta> vrtical: nope, should be fine 16:55 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@99.13.242.166] has joined #go-nuts 16:55 < vrtical> ahh, you were right first time were you? :-) thanks, interestin. 16:58 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@base/student/cenuij] has quit [Quit: pub] 16:59 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:02 -!- b00m_chef [~watr@216-21-143-134.ip.van.radiant.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:03 -!- path[l] [~path@59.162.86.164] has quit [Quit: path[l]] 17:05 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:05 -!- ita [~waf@kde/developer/tnagy] has joined #go-nuts 17:06 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:08 < skelterjohn> the only thing i find annoying about goinstall is testing... I have a pair of packages in the same repository (one is inside the other). the inner one refers to the upper one. I don't import it with just its package name, since if someone uses goinstall, that one find it. so i import it by its goinstall name 17:08 < skelterjohn> but then if i want to test some stuff, put in a few prints, etc, i can either commit these debug statements to the repos an rerun goinstall 17:08 < skelterjohn> or change every reference to the goinstall import to a make-install import version 17:08 < skelterjohn> or .. 17:09 < skelterjohn> maybe .. would be best, lol 17:10 < skelterjohn> doesn't seem to work, though 17:11 < skelterjohn> neither ./.. nor ./../../upper 17:11 < skelterjohn> which makes sense, of course, because there are no binaries there 17:11 < skelterjohn> maybe i should stop stream-of-conciousness'ing the channel. 17:22 -!- marsu [~marsu@38.98.202-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:25 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:26 -!- Shyde [~shyde@HSI-KBW-078-043-070-132.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- Shyde [~shyde@HSI-KBW-078-043-070-132.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:31 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:31 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:33 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.50] has joined #go-nuts 17:35 -!- tux21b [~christoph@90.146.60.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:37 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:39 -!- tgall_foo [~tgall@gentoo/developer/dr-who] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:40 -!- tgall_foo [~tgall@gentoo/developer/dr-who] has joined #go-nuts 17:43 -!- eikenberry [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has quit [Quit: End of line.] 17:51 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:51 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@99.13.242.166] has quit [Quit: carllerche] 17:51 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:54 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 17:57 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:58 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:01 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 18:04 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:05 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:06 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:06 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@200.184.118.130] has joined #go-nuts 18:06 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@200.184.118.130] has quit [Changing host] 18:06 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has joined #go-nuts 18:08 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@200.184.118.130] has joined #go-nuts 18:09 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@200.184.118.130] has quit [Changing host] 18:09 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has joined #go-nuts 18:13 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:14 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:15 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:16 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:21 -!- napsy [~luka@tm.213.143.73.175.lc.telemach.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29 -!- ender2070 [~ender2070@HMTNON14-1168102834.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #go-nuts 18:31 -!- surma [~surma@91-64-25-119-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:32 -!- surma [~surma@91-64-25-119-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #go-nuts [] 18:33 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:36 < nsf> are there any real world (better if) examples of code that uses panic/recover? 18:37 < Ginto8> idk but anytime you would use a catch/throw type thing in C++ would probably be a candidate for a panic/recover set 18:38 -!- tav [~tav@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:3ffb:b16a:411c] has joined #go-nuts 18:38 < nsf> the problem is, I have never used that :) (even though I know a very large subset of C++, including extensions, just haven't used it in real world code, ever) 18:39 < nsf> s/extensions/exceptions/ 18:39 < MizardX> nsf: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Exceptions#Go 18:39 < rsaarelm> Could try looking for it from the standard libraries: http://golang.org/search?q=recover . There doesn't seem to be many instances there. 18:40 < Ginto8> well if there's a major error situation that can't be handled via a return value 18:40 < nsf> rsaarelm: thanks, I'll check that out 18:40 < nsf> .. I mean the feature is here, but why? who uses it.. that kind of question I'm interested in 18:40 < rsaarelm> The most clear case I can think of are things where an error can occur in a deep recursion. All kinds of recursive descent parsing things. 18:41 < rsaarelm> Like you have a game with code for loading saved games. First you have the overall load save function, then loading the set of game objects, then loading an individual object, then loading an element of that object. Then there's an error in the save file when loading the element. 18:42 < rsaarelm> Now without panic/recover, you'd need to be doing constant return value watching at all levels of the save code, and that'd get pretty annoying. 18:42 < nsf> I see :) 18:43 * nsf has that kind of C code, which does pretty good job at reporting hierarchical errors, but looks a bit ugly, yes 18:44 < nsf> but for some reason I wasn't ever hooked up by this 'exceptions' thingy 18:45 * rsaarelm has a load save routine that just crashes the game when it sees something it doesn't like since he didn't bother with the hierarchical errors and hasn't updated to panic/recover yet. 18:47 < nsf> well, game engine save files are kind of predictable data.. and if user screwed that up, then it's his fault :D 18:49 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 18:49 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:50 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:51 < nsf> rsaarelm: thanks again, regexp package shows a nice usage of that mechanism 18:51 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@dsl081-064-072.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:53 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has joined #go-nuts 18:53 < waterwalker> panic/recover is not meant to be used like exceptions in other languages 18:54 < nsf> but then how it is meant to be used? 18:54 < waterwalker> returning os.Error is the go idiom 18:54 < waterwalker> general rule of thumb: when you want to 'crash gracefully' :) 18:55 < nsf> I think it's just a way too abstract rule 18:56 < rsaarelm> That's different from the parser pattern though, where you would just use the standard Error if it weren't so tedious to conditionally return it from the depths of the call stack. 18:56 < waterwalker> the reason exceptions exist in the first place is because most programming languages can't return multiple values 18:56 < rsaarelm> Actually I'm not sure what crashing gracefully even means. 18:56 < nsf> waterwalker: you can return a struct 18:56 < kmeyer> returning a struct in C-like languages is pretty painful, though 18:57 < waterwalker> true, but it's pretty inconvenient 18:57 < kmeyer> (by which I mean: C, C++) 18:57 < nsf> I think exceptions-like mechanism exists for some sort of reason (which I can't really get) 18:58 < nsf> maybe they are easier to use in some situations, than conventional errors (like hierarchical things) 18:58 -!- illya77 [~illya77@176-214-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:58 < nsf> but I'm not really sure about that :) 18:58 < nsf> still looking for enlightenment 18:58 < waterwalker> i'm not saying there aren't *any* good reasons to use panics, just that it's generally unnecessary 18:59 < nsf> I agree 18:59 < nsf> but that's kind of what I'm looking for 18:59 < rsaarelm> Exceptions are meant to be for unusual things often caused by external factors which break the normal flow of execution, basically. 18:59 < nsf> a good example where it is appropriate to use panic/recover 18:59 < rsaarelm> Input from outside not being what you expect it to be. 19:00 <+iant> I think there are two main reasons to use panic/recover 19:00 < nsf> rsaarelm: we call that 'assert' in C :) 19:00 < rsaarelm> nsf: Nono. Asserts are different. They're for internal errors. 19:00 <+iant> One is when you have a bunch of independent goroutines running simultaneously, and you don't want a crash in one goroutine to crash the whole program 19:00 <+iant> The other is when you have a self-contained group of functions with a deep call stack, and you don't want to bother passing an error code up the whole stack 19:00 < rsaarelm> Bad input triggers exceptions, broken program logic triggers assertions. 19:00 < nsf> rsaarelm: well, that was a try to produce a joke :) I've failed 19:01 < waterwalker> iant: thanks, I agree 19:01 <+iant> Pater Hamilton fan? 19:01 -!- tvw [~tv@e176007065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:01 < nsf> iant: yep, thanks.. very good point 19:02 < rsaarelm> Right, the goroutine thing is the second example then. The ones I was talking about were the call stack cases. 19:02 <+iant> the first case is why things like a nil dereference or a division by zero turn into a panic 19:04 < nsf> also we have to wait a little bit and see what Rob will add in Effective Go (there is a TODO on panic/recover) 19:04 < nsf> and have another peace of enlightenment :P 19:04 < mpl> jessta: alright, thanks. I might get to implement that then. 19:04 < waterwalker> I've really grown to like Go way of handling errors 19:05 < waterwalker> I'm doing much more granular error checking these days 19:05 < waterwalker> exceptions can lead to pretty convoluted code sometimes 19:05 < mpl> iant: well, even for building 6g itself I stumbled upon some missing include I think. hence why I asked. but nevermind, I'll probably install a 64 bits distro then. thx. 19:10 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 19:11 < wrtp> iant: i was a peter hamilton fan once :-) 19:14 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:19 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:31 -!- Fish [~Fish@bus77-2-82-244-150-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:31 -!- plainhao [~plainhao@mail.xbiotica.com] has quit [Quit: plainhao] 19:31 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc5-aztw24-2-0-cust39.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.50] has joined #go-nuts 19:35 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-118-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:47 -!- keithpoole [~keithpool@cpc3-bagu8-0-0-cust84.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:48 -!- PortatoreSanoDiI [~Marvin@82.84.97.61] has joined #go-nuts 19:52 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-153-153.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:57 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 20:03 -!- illya77 [~illya77@176-214-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: illya77] 20:07 -!- keithpoole [~keithpool@cpc3-bagu8-0-0-cust84.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: keithpoole] 20:10 -!- tvw [~tv@e176007065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc5-aztw24-2-0-cust39.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:11 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:12 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 20:15 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-79-240.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:29 -!- ita [~waf@kde/developer/tnagy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30 -!- PortatoreSanoDiI [~Marvin@82.84.97.61] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 20:34 -!- ExtraSpice [~ExtraSpic@78-62-86-161.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:39 -!- ita [~waf@kde/developer/tnagy] has joined #go-nuts 20:39 -!- thiagon_ [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43 -!- Paradox924X [~Paradox92@vaserv/irc/founder] has joined #go-nuts 20:47 -!- MizardX [~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:02 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@201.22.31.2.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:08 -!- ikke [~ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:10 -!- ender2070 [~ender2070@HMTNON14-1168102834.sdsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18 -!- perdix [~perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has quit [Quit: A cow. 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