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GOMAXPROCS 16:13 < jnwhiteh> that's what that line is doing 16:13 < wrtp> ok, well panning is where you see the drawing overhead 16:13 < wrtp> the rest is calculating the set in real time 16:14 < Ginto8> oh oops lol 16:14 < wrtp> oh yes, it could be 4 times as fast, at the outer level. 16:14 < Ginto8> I added spaces before & after the = 16:15 -!- LeNsTR [~lenstr@unaffiliated/lenstr] has joined #go-nuts 16:16 -!- OpenSpace [~ja@109.93.243.87] has joined #go-nuts 16:16 < jnwhiteh> It'll be really interesting to see all the code that puts it together, even if its a bit sluggish =) 16:19 < wrtp> if you drag with the middle button, it shows you the julia sets as you go around 16:20 < wrtp> i like that bit - you can see how the whole "mandelbrot set is the set of connected julia sets" thing actually works 16:20 < wrtp> anyway, i'm glad it seems to work 16:20 < wrtp> i could probably make it faster by optimising the inner loop 16:21 < wrtp> it might be interesting to try a 64-bit fixed-point version. 16:21 < wrtp> given that machines are 64 bit these days 16:21 < Ginto8> well a lot ar 16:21 < Ginto8> are* 16:21 < Ginto8> mine isn't 16:21 < Ginto8> =/ 16:22 < wrtp> oh well, i'll see whether it makes a difference here 16:22 -!- ikke [~ikke@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit [] 16:23 < wrtp> jnwhiteh: i've tried to build it out of reusable parts. 16:25 -!- tokuhiro_ [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:31 < wrtp> oops, embarassing bug, it doesn't zoom in correctly if you've panned 16:31 < wrtp> fixed now 16:34 -!- LeNsTR [~lenstr@unaffiliated/lenstr] has quit [Quit: LeNsTR] 16:35 < nsf> wrtp: btw, setting your "iterations" number to something like 64 makes it MUCH faster 16:35 < nsf> and still beautiful 16:35 < nsf> 1024 is way too much 16:35 < wrtp> nsf: yes, but it needs to be more when you zoom in, particularly close to the edges of the set 16:35 < nsf> probably 16:36 < wrtp> really you need to be able to change the number of iterations interactively 16:36 < wrtp> but i haven't done that yet (it's not hard) 16:36 < wrtp> only slight difficulty is exp/x11 doesn't provide keyboard input yet 16:36 < nsf> and the x11 interface experience is super sluggish, I think it can be done really smooth using opengl 16:37 < wrtp> probably. but the underlying calculation is pretty hefty 16:37 -!- tokuhiro_ [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 16:37 < wrtp> so i think it's always going to be fairly slow 16:38 < nsf> well it doesn't matter how slow it is :) we still have our fun watching google earth for example, and it downloads images via network! 16:38 < wrtp> anyway it's an experiment in what can be done with the go native libraries 16:38 < nsf> anyway, nice app :) 16:41 < wrtp> it's doing on the order of 70e9 floating point ops for each screen, so it's not surprising it's not too quick... 16:41 < wrtp> cheers 16:42 < wrtp> i'm sure i could do some of the graphics with opengl, but this way you see how the go runtime works. you're interacting directly with the scheduler; each tile is being calculated with a separate goroutine. 16:43 < nsf> well, I've played a bit more and I think good results can be done that way: 16:43 < nsf> iterations = 256 16:43 < wrtp> that's the number i started with 16:43 < nsf> TileSize = 20 16:43 < nsf> for some reason small tiles works better 16:43 < nsf> work* 16:44 < wrtp> are you running with GOMAXPROCS > 1 ? 16:44 < nsf> 4 16:44 < nsf> on 2 core cpu 16:45 < wrtp> i'll make both iterations and tilesize interactively adjustable... 16:45 < nsf> yep, that would be nice 16:46 < wrtp> (at the cost of covering up a little of the fractal with a couple of unsightly slider-bars...) 16:46 -!- EthanG [~EthanG@sourcemage/guru/eekee] has quit [Quit: I never quit.] 16:46 < skelterjohn> dare i try to get this working on OS X? 16:46 < skelterjohn> i like attractive things 16:46 < skelterjohn> and don't like being left out :) 16:46 < nsf> install linux :) 16:47 < skelterjohn> i've got plenty of linux, just not on my macbook 16:47 < skelterjohn> i can run X11 stuff here... i haven't done anything from the dev side but some ported apps get launched in an X11 app 16:47 < wrtp> skelterjohn: i've developed it under OS X 16:48 < skelterjohn> cool, i'll give it a shot 16:48 < skelterjohn> i asked because i've tried to get the rog-go stuff working before without success 16:48 < skelterjohn> but maybe i can try harder this time 16:48 < wrtp> ok - let me know what errors you get... 16:51 < skelterjohn> well, the goinstalls and "make" in the mandel directory worked fine this time 16:51 < skelterjohn> i don't htink i got this far before 16:51 < skelterjohn> but running ./mandel: 2010/06/21 12:54:08 no window: unsupported Xauth 16:51 < skelterjohn> and i don't know enough about X11 on the mac to debug this 16:51 < skelterjohn> or X11 anywhere else, for that matter 16:52 < wrtp> are you running it within an X11 window? 16:52 < wrtp> e.g xterm 16:52 -!- iant 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/tmp/launch-gXga4h/:0 16:56 < wrtp> that's the same form as mine 16:56 < wrtp> are you running with a recently updated version of go? 16:56 < skelterjohn> i updated last week 16:56 < skelterjohn> i can do it again 16:57 < wrtp> ... and ran all.bash? 16:57 < skelterjohn> yes :) 16:57 < skelterjohn> i'm updating again, though 16:57 < skelterjohn> i'll get back to you in a few minutes 16:57 < wrtp> hmm. 16:57 < nsf> I think I'll do this mandelbrot thing in opengl 16:57 < nsf> I really like the app :) 16:58 -!- engla [~ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:58 < skelterjohn> opengl seems unnecessary for mandelbrot... 16:58 < skelterjohn> or do you do shape rendering to find it? 16:59 < nsf> skelterjohn: well if you want to zoom and pan it is 16:59 < nsf> because opengl gives you a tight control of gpu memory and there is also texture filtering 16:59 < skelterjohn> but you aren't doing any 3D->2D transformations 16:59 < nsf> for example I could make it render low res versions first and the higher and higher 17:00 < nsf> it will be much better user experience 17:00 < nsf> I bet 17:00 < nsf> skelterjohn: opengl isn't just for 3d 17:00 < nsf> it works for 2d very well too 17:00 < Ginto8> skelterjohn, even for 2D if you need really good performance when it comes to graphics opengl is what you want to use 17:00 < nsf> well of course these days I will probably make a mandelbrot program using shaders 17:01 < nsf> but that would be interesting 17:01 < Ginto8> yeah 17:01 < nsf> wouldn't 17:01 -!- General1337 [~support@71-84-50-230.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01 < nsf> * 17:01 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01 < nsf> the idea is to test Go's goroutines 17:01 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 17:01 < wrtp> nsf: yes 17:01 -!- tokuhiro_ [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Tiarra 0.1: SIGTERM received; exit] 17:01 -!- tokuhirom 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wrtp> thought so 17:05 < nsf> Ginto8: sdl.GL_SetAttribute(sdl.GL_SWAP_CONTROL, 1) 17:05 < wrtp> it comes down to the contents of your .Xauthority file 17:06 < nsf> it enables vsync if it's possible 17:06 < wrtp> what do you get from od -xc $HOME/.Xauthority? 17:06 < Ginto8> that's deprecated 17:07 < nsf> is it? 17:07 < skelterjohn> weird stuff... http://pastebin.com/xkMVjKJy 17:07 < Ginto8> anyway if you have a good framerate (~60 or more fps), which any simple thing should easily get, it's not really noticable 17:07 < skelterjohn> i did an xhost + just in case 17:07 < nsf> Ginto8: that's not the point 17:07 < Ginto8> nsf: according to http://sdl.beuc.net/sdl.wiki/SDL_GLattr it's been deprecated since 1.3.0 17:07 < Ginto8> ok w/e I'll get it 17:07 < nsf> if your game is super simple you need to constrain the main loop to somewhat 60 hz 17:08 -!- iant [~iant@216.239.45.130] has joined #go-nuts 17:08 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 17:08 < nsf> using vsync is the one way to do that :) 17:08 < skelterjohn> nsf: why? 17:08 < wrtp> skelterjohn: strange, that looks just fine 17:08 < Ginto8> nsf: or timers 17:08 < nsf> skelterjohn: hammering CPU on a simple game is just a waste of power :) 17:08 < nsf> you don't need tetris running on 9000 fps 17:08 < nsf> :D 17:09 < jer> you don't? 17:09 < jer> =] 17:09 < Ginto8> nsf: you could have a goroutine doing the actual graphics at a much higher speed with the actual game logic running at 60 fps 17:09 < wrtp> skelterjohn: could you edit $GOROOT/src/pkg/rog-go*/hg/x11/auth.go 17:09 < skelterjohn> sure 17:09 -!- rlab [~Miranda@221-185-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:09 < nsf> well, maybe, but I don't need that 17:09 < nsf> it's just tetris ) 17:09 < skelterjohn> got it open 17:10 < wrtp> search for "MAGIC" and change os.NewError("unsupported Xauth" ) to os.NewError(fmt.Sprintf("unsupported Xauth %#v %#v", key, value)) 17:10 -!- ender2070 [~ender2070@bas22-toronto12-2925103372.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #go-nuts 17:10 < wrtp> you'll need to add "fmt" to the imports at the start too 17:10 < skelterjohn> no MAGIC 17:11 < nsf> Ginto8: so, does tetris work? 17:11 < wrtp> sorry, wrong file! i meant $GOROOT/src/pkg/rog-go*/hg/x11/conn.go 17:11 < Ginto8> sorry I'm a bit too tired to figure out git right now 17:11 < nsf> I can give you the right commands if you want 17:11 < Ginto8> I'll test it another time though, definitely 17:12 < nsf> :) 17:12 < Ginto8> sure that would be helpful 17:12 < skelterjohn> wrtp: if i run "goinstall stuff/x11" will it compile the edited source without downloading new? 17:13 < skelterjohn> wrtp: unsupported Xauth `` `` 17:13 < skelterjohn> heh 17:13 < skelterjohn> helpful, eh? 17:13 < skelterjohn> (brb) 17:14 < wrtp> skelterjohn: you're better just running make install in the directory 17:14 < wrtp> hmm. 17:14 -!- General1337 [~support@71-84-50-230.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:17 -!- EthanG [~EthanG@sourcemage/guru/eekee] has joined #go-nuts 17:21 -!- 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If not, something like python's __file__ variable would be handy for people willing to parse the executable. 18:45 -!- rlab_ [~Miranda@118-172-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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20:36 < nsf> you can even generate that kind of data by yourself, Go is easy to parse (and there is a parser in a standard library) 20:41 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 20:44 -!- ikke [~ikke@189-72-0-135.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 20:44 -!- ikke [~ikke@189-72-0-135.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Changing host] 20:44 -!- ikke [~ikke@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has joined #go-nuts 20:46 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.14] has joined #go-nuts 20:46 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:51 -!- tokuhirom [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51 -!- Ginto8 [~Ginto8@pool-72-82-235-34.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:51 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-160-162-138.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:52 < Ginto8> bool assignments/reads are atomic right? 20:52 -!- kkress [~kkress@kkress-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:53 < napsy> there's no such information in the specs 20:53 < napsy> I suppose no 20:54 < Ginto8> well it doesn't mention anything about atomic operations in general 20:54 < jessta> Ginto8: it's all in the memory model 20:55 < jessta> ...which seems to have disappeared from the site 20:55 < Ginto8> yeah I was about to mention that 20:55 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cY7e1 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/syslog/ -- syslog: use local network for tests 20:55 -!- jalmeida [~jalmeida@c934233f.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 20:55 < Ginto8> ok found it sorta 20:55 < Ginto8> http://golang.org/doc/go_mem.html 20:57 -!- thiagon [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01 < jessta> Ginto8: it would be atomic for one CPU, but I doubt they'd use a CAS for all bool assignments 21:02 -!- tokuhirom [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 21:05 -!- rlab [~Miranda@118-172-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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22:19 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:20 < jessta> skelterjohn: I think mpl is refering to the variable shaddowing issue 22:21 < skelterjohn> yeah, i figured. i think it shouldn't be allowed either 22:24 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke] 22:24 < skelterjohn> or rather, i think it's something that is worth a warning, and the go team makes a good case for not allowing warnings 22:26 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-181-238.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 22:28 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cYd3q by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- release.2010-06-21 22:28 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cYd3w by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ -- release.2010-06-21 tag 22:28 < napsy> cool a new release 22:29 -!- lux` [~lux@151.71.215.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30 -!- thomas_b [~thomasb@cm-84.215.37.40.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32 -!- thomas_b [~thomasb@cm-84.215.37.40.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 22:36 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.31.248] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 22:40 -!- stanlly [~user@redhat/stanlly] has joined #go-nuts 22:42 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@f050247242.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leave the magic to Houdini] 22:43 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-67.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 22:44 -!- kkress [~kkress@kkress-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:51 -!- tokuhirom [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:54 -!- KinOfCain [~KinOfCain@rrcs-64-183-61-2.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:58 -!- kkress [~kkress@kkress-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 23:00 -!- kkress [~kkress@kkress-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:00 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-160-162-138.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:00 -!- kkress [~kkress@kkress-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:02 -!- kkress [~kkress@c-65-49-35-49.tilenetworks.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:03 -!- tokuhirom [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 23:07 < mpl> skelterjohn: sorry was busy. yeah bitten I used it in a place where it was totally legal, but because of the same var name in another scope it didn't do at all what I wanted to do. 23:08 -!- mattikus [~mattikus@witty.mcs.anl.gov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09 < mpl> otoh, I don't see any way how the language could protect us from that kind of mistake, except by removing := 23:09 < mpl> I guess I could simply not use it anymore, I have the choice after all. 23:10 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 23:13 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:13 -!- artefon [~thiago@usuarios154.dcc.ufmg.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:20 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #go-nuts 23:26 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: smcq__, nictuku, ptrb_, SRabbelier, Adys, carrus85 23:26 -!- marsu [~marsu@93.12.59.254] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26 -!- nictuku [~nictuku@cetico.org] has joined #go-nuts 23:26 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 23:28 -!- cmarcelo [~cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29 -!- ptrb [~peter@archimedes.bourgon.org] has joined #go-nuts 23:31 -!- SRabbelier [~SRabbelie@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 23:34 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@adsl-69-107-87-67.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:39 -!- carrus85 [~carrus85@64.0.193.15] has joined #go-nuts 23:40 -!- dju [dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:41 -!- smcq__ [~smcq@smcq.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:41 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #go-nuts 23:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cYhHr by [Russ Cox] in go/test/fixedbugs/ -- test: another listen on ":0" -> "127.0.0.1:0" 23:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cYhHx by [Christopher Wedgwood] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net: Fix ICMP test. 23:51 -!- tokuhirom [~tokuhirom@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Jun 22 00:00:12 2010