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implications of len spec change 00:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dc1N2 by [Russ Cox] in go/doc/ -- spec: restrict when len(x) is constant 00:57 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:02 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 01:07 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kingfishr, Eko, mat_, trustin, anticw, [Pete_27], mjf-, bmizerany 01:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dc38k by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc: implement new len spec, range bug fix, optimization 01:15 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 01:18 -!- mat_ [~mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:18 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@dsl081-064-072.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:18 -!- trustin [~trustin@redhat/jboss/trustin] has joined #go-nuts 01:18 -!- [Pete_27] [~noname@115-64-1-61.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #go-nuts 01:18 -!- Eko [~eko@DHCP-159-138.caltech.edu] has joined #go-nuts 01:18 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so.... you don't use that slice of reality? 05:01 < Project_2501> o.o 05:02 < jessta> I found $7.20 in my washing machine 05:02 * Project_2501 sells the slice of reality rejected by jer 05:17 -!- Chryson [~Chryson@c-71-61-11-114.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:18 -!- TR2N [email@89.180.194.196] has left #go-nuts [] 05:24 -!- eikenberry [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:41 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@201-11-242-47.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 05:45 -!- jackman [~jackman@c-24-21-216-140.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:56 < nsf> jessta: lol, ugt actually makes sense 05:57 < nsf> you often turn on your PC when you wake up, and turn off when you go to bed.. so it's kind of symmetrical to a morning and evening indeed :D 05:57 < nsf> never though about it this way :D 05:58 < jer> yeah true 05:58 < jer> 2:01AM up 32 days, 18:56, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 05:58 < jer> i should sleep soon 05:58 < jer> =D 05:58 < nsf> unless of course you sleep all day long and work at night 05:58 < nsf> like I do :D 05:58 * jer was referring to the 32 day uptime on my laptop 05:59 < nsf> ah.. 06:04 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 06:04 < nsf> this timezones thing confuses actually a lot 06:04 < nsf> I recently added time from different timezones to my conky 06:04 < nsf> it helps.. 06:10 -!- belkiss [~belkiss@drn13-1-78-235-168-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:15 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 06:26 -!- General1337 [~support@71-84-50-230.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 06:27 -!- MizardX [~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx] has joined #go-nuts 06:29 -!- General13372 [~support@71-84-50-230.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:38 -!- Macpunk [~macpunk@cpe-72-177-26-221.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 06:45 -!- alc 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I just found runtime.mstats.enablegc (which is not exported for obvious reasons) 08:34 < mlip> Is there a flag for 6g/6l that enables disables GC linking ? 08:34 < jessta> oh oops, I thought there was 08:35 < mlip> I am trying to disable the GC to test some other memory management approaches (which i think Go is good for); currently i have altered the runtime package 08:36 < mlip> and with new releases coming up every few days ... in short: merging sucks 08:36 < jer> regions? 08:36 < mlip> jer: can't tell so far ;/ 08:36 < jer> ah 08:37 < jessta> I'm sure I saw something about disabling the GC 08:37 -!- Shyde [~shyde@HSI-KBW-078-043-070-132.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:38 < mlip> nothing on the ml, despite my previous (2 days ago) post about the memmgr 08:40 < mlip> i was just wondering if additions to runtime (which obviously is a core package) have any chance to get accepted 08:43 -!- lulu [~lulu@v-114-31.vpn.dhcp.ubc.ca] has joined #go-nuts 08:52 -!- Macpunk [~macpunk@cpe-72-177-26-221.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:52 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@0x5da69cf2.cpe.ge-0-1-0-1105.hsnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #go-nuts 09:04 -!- mbarkhau [~koloss@dslb-084-059-163-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:04 -!- alc [~arx@222.128.130.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:15 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.50] has quit [Quit: path[l]] 09:25 -!- path[l] [~path@120.138.102.50] has joined #go-nuts 09:25 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.34.60] has joined #go-nuts 09:28 -!- path[l] [~path@120.138.102.50] has quit [Client Quit] 09:37 -!- GeoBSD [~geobsd@lns-bzn-53-82-65-15-22.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:48 -!- Ginto8 [~Ginto8@pool-72-82-235-34.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:08 -!- mbarkhau [~koloss@dslb-084-059-163-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:08 -!- mbarkhau [~koloss@dslb-084-059-163-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 10:09 -!- alc [~arx@114.245.255.226] has joined #go-nuts 10:09 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 10:17 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:35 -!- mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has left #go-nuts [] 10:50 -!- mduft [~mduft@gentoo/developer/mduft] has joined #go-nuts 10:50 < mduft> hey :) 10:51 < mduft> i just found out about go a few days ago. today i had time to take a closer look at it, and it looks very promosing. 10:51 < mduft> now i have a question: 10:52 < mduft> i'm writing (one or more :)) hobby-kernels for ia32 and ia32e (amd64). how much work would it be, to make get go code to run on "bare metal"? 10:53 < mduft> i know i'd have to put _some_ things into place for this to happen (malloc, threads, ...), but what exactly are the system dependencies of the runtime? 10:53 < mduft> (i'll stay around, just answer, i'll read it later ;)) 10:54 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 10:56 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 10:56 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053008223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 10:59 -!- alc [~arx@114.245.255.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07 -!- snearch_ [~snearch@f053008223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 11:08 -!- tsykoduk [~tsykoduk@2001:470:1f04:671:20d:93ff:fe77:1dc4] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:09 -!- snearch_ [~snearch@f053008223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:10 < jessta> mduft: there is such a thing 11:11 < mduft> jessta, really? 11:11 < mduft> where can i find more information on it? 11:11 < mduft> that would be extremely cool 11:11 < jessta> I think it's the "tiny" target 11:12 < mduft> oh, cool, thanks for the hint 11:13 -!- tsykoduk [~tsykoduk@2001:470:1f04:671:20d:93ff:fe77:1dc4] has joined #go-nuts 11:13 -!- sioraiocht [~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13 < jessta> mduft: http://golang.org/pkg/runtime/tiny/ 11:15 < mduft> thanks 11:17 < mduft> wow - not much to do i'd say. and most of it can be implemented in go itself, if i see it correctly... 11:18 < jessta> mduft: http://golang.org/src/pkg/runtime/tiny/ 11:18 < jessta> that's probably better 11:18 < mduft> yeah, tanks - reading there already ;) 11:18 < jessta> wonderful 11:19 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053008223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:19 < mduft> uh - this looks like it could be fun :) 11:22 < jessta> go is so much fun 11:26 -!- alc [~arx@114.245.255.86] has joined #go-nuts 11:29 < mduft> jessta, just need to get things into my head - right now i'm using writing all of shell scripts, makefiles, c/c++, java, python, etc. go is pretty much different than all of those :) 11:31 < jessta> it's very C 11:31 < mduft> yeah, just upside down.. at least at a first glance... 11:31 < jessta> it's the C I always tried to make using macros 11:31 < mduft> hehe 11:31 < jessta> upside down? 11:32 < mduft> it's hard to read, but one is getting used to it very fast. 11:32 < jessta> oh, the syntax yeah 11:32 < jessta> the types etc.? 11:32 < mduft> yeah 11:32 < jessta> I like it much more 11:32 < jessta> it reads better 11:32 < mduft> i'm a little confused about when to use pointers and when not in method declarations.... 11:33 < jessta> imagine them as a function 11:33 < jessta> with the object as the first parameter 11:33 < mduft> in that techtalk from oct 09 i saw some examples. one of then declared it with a pointer, the other without. does that mean that the method only applies if i have a pointer (or a plain object respectively)? 11:33 < mduft> ok 11:34 < taruti> Having a richer strong type system would be nice from time to time 11:34 < mduft> so if i do func (obj *MyObj) Blah() i can call it only on a *MyObj, but not on a MyObj? 11:34 < jessta> yep 11:34 < mduft> ok 11:34 < mduft> fine 11:35 < mduft> at least consistent ;) 11:35 < jessta> but if you have (obj MyObj)Blash() you can call it on a MyOBj or a *myObj 11:35 < mduft> uh :) 11:35 < mduft> do i need to do &myObj.Blah()? 11:36 < mduft> err.. 11:36 < mduft> *myObj.Blah() 11:36 < mduft> (sorry, still a little confused - first contact was -1:30) 11:36 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@f051020146.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 11:36 < jessta> yeah 11:36 < jessta> it will do the reference for you 11:37 < mduft> ok 11:37 < jessta> just a bit of sugar 11:37 < jessta> if you want to be able to modify the object use a pointer 11:39 < vrtical> There's one quibble with pointer methods, which I'm not sure I can explain clearly. Pointer-taking and non-pointer-taking methods seem very interchangeable, but they don't seem to satisfy the same interfaces. 11:40 < vrtical> In fact... methods named as part of an interface _have to_ receive a pointer??? Can someone help me out here? 11:40 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@e180234108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:41 < jessta> vrtical: I don't think they do 11:42 < jessta> they just need to be all defined on the same type. 11:43 < vrtical> so type foo interface { Bar() } << either every Bar() has to receive a pointer, or every Bar has to not receive a pointer? 11:44 < jessta> nah, the type just has to implement Bar() 11:45 < jessta> so func (T)Bar(){} and func (*T)Bar(){} 11:45 < jessta> both T and *T statisfy foo 11:48 < vrtical> ok, the error message I'm thinking of must have been some other error. Sorry for the noise. 11:52 -!- pjm0616 [~user@61.250.113.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:53 -!- pjm0616 [~user@61.250.113.98] has joined #go-nuts 11:54 < jessta> vrtical: infact as long as there is a func (T)Bar(), then both T and *T statisfy foo 11:58 -!- pjm0616 [~user@61.250.113.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59 -!- pjm0616 [~user@61.250.113.98] has joined #go-nuts 12:07 -!- mertimor [~mertimor@2001:638:501:248:fa1e:dfff:fef2:97c0] has joined #go-nuts 12:07 -!- mertimor [~mertimor@2001:638:501:248:fa1e:dfff:fef2:97c0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.94.195] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 12:08 -!- mertimor [~mertimor@2001:638:501:248:fa1e:dfff:fef2:97c0] has joined #go-nuts 12:08 -!- mertimor [~mertimor@2001:638:501:248:fa1e:dfff:fef2:97c0] has quit [Client Quit] 12:13 -!- mlip [~mlip@62.218.44.194] has left #go-nuts [] 12:20 -!- alc [~arx@114.245.255.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- ExtraSpice [~ExtraSpic@78-62-86-161.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42 -!- pjm0616 [~user@61.250.113.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:44 -!- pjm0616 [~user@61.250.113.98] has joined #go-nuts 12:44 -!- Ideal [~Ideal@109.232.117.224] has joined #go-nuts 12:46 < mduft> err... 12:46 < mduft> question 12:46 < mduft> im trying to build the compilers/libraries, and i get this: 12:46 < mduft> make[2]: Leaving directory `/big/Privat/go/go-repo/src/pkg/http' 12:46 < mduft> --- FAIL: http.TestClient 12:46 < mduft> Get http://www.google.com/robots.txt: dial tcp 74.125.39.106:80: connection refused 12:46 < mduft> (i'm behind a proxy) 12:46 < mduft> (and at home there will be no connection at all for the moment) 12:47 < mduft> any hints? 12:47 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-228-163-165.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:57 < chressie> mduft: running ./make.bash instead of ./all.bash should work 12:59 < chressie> this skips the test suite 13:02 -!- Ideal [~Ideal@109.232.117.224] has quit [Quit: Ideal] 13:02 -!- Fish-Work [~Fish@86.65.182.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02 < mduft> ok 13:02 < mduft> thanks 13:02 -!- ExtraSpice [~ExtraSpic@78-62-86-161.static.zebra.lt] has joined #go-nuts 13:03 < chressie> np 13:03 < mduft> any chance to get all the docs offline? 13:03 < mduft> i need them at home... 13:04 < mduft> i tried mirroring the golang.org site using wget, but the result is only garbage...? 13:06 -!- visof [~visof@unaffiliated/visof] has joined #go-nuts 13:06 < chressie> if you installed go correctly, you can use 'godoc -http=:6060' to serve 'a copy' of golang.org on localhost:6060 13:06 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc5-aztw24-2-0-cust39.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 13:07 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 13:07 < chressie> see http://golang.org/cmd/godoc/ 13:07 < mduft> owh... cool :) 13:07 < chressie> for things you can do with godoc 13:08 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:09 < mduft> heh - i really like how this project minimizes dependencies to the "outside world": there are nearly none. 13:09 < mduft> this is ideal for trying to write a kernel using go. 13:11 -!- sioraiocht [~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht] has joined #go-nuts 13:15 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:18 -!- quintile [~steve@83-244-157-210.cust-83.exponential-e.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:23 -!- Fish-Work [~Fish@86.65.182.207] has joined #go-nuts 13:24 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-116-181-134.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:32 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33 -!- qIIp [~qIIp@72-173-156-132.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:35 < vrtical> By the way guys, does anyone know why the plan 9 C compiler is bundled with go? I don't object, I'm just curious what if anything uses it. 13:35 -!- Gracenotes [~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 13:36 < nimmen> maybe they are building something in plan 9 =] 13:37 < quintile> ken thompson wrote the plan9 c compilers (I am a plan9 guy and just looking at go again). 13:37 < nsf> vrtical: because the go compiler is written in plan9 C? 13:38 < quintile> it has the advantage in being small, clean, and very fast (to compile code). 13:38 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #go-nuts 13:38 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has joined #go-nuts 13:38 < vrtical> nsf: I thought Go builds with gcc. 13:39 < nsf> I don't think so 13:39 < quintile> there is also a front end to gcc that produces go executables and (I think, correct me if I am wrong) produces more optimised and faster running ones than 6c/6l. 13:39 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.107.123] has joined #go-nuts 13:39 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 13:40 < nimmen> i dont know about faster 13:40 -!- Shyde [~shyde@HSI-KBW-078-043-070-132.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Shyde] 13:41 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@f051020146.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leave the magic to Houdini] 13:41 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@f051020146.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:42 -!- ikaros [~ikaros@f051020146.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42 < vrtical> nsf: here on linux-amd64 at least, go is being compiled with gcc 13:42 < quintile> gcc compiles more slowly but produces faster executables (I thought), and also gcc is the basis for the windows port as 6c has no back end for win32. (please don't quote me I am very much a go newbie, but this is my understanding). 13:43 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.34.60] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 13:43 < quintile> [reading robs stanford presentation - he says 6c is ~5 times faster than gcc...] 13:44 < nsf> vrtical: yes, the compiler itself builds using gcc, but the runtime (which contains C code) is being built using 8c 13:44 < nsf> or 6c 13:44 < nimmen> quintile: you might be right about windows port 13:44 < nsf> because it needs to be linked together with Go code 13:45 < nsf> using 8l/6l linker 13:45 < vrtical> nsf: I see, thank you. 13:45 < nsf> and gcc can't produce code for that linker 13:46 < nsf> so, you can actually write libraries for Go using plan9 C compiler and avoid using cgo :) 13:48 < vrtical> That's what got me wondering about this in the first place! When I saw that there was a 6c, which compiled C code to .6 files (albeit seeming not to have access to standard headers), I thought it likely that 6l could link together C and go code. 13:48 < nsf> cgo tool uses 6c too 13:52 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:53 < vrtical> So what exactly does cgo do? The official documentation appears to be non-existent, can someone point me to some documentation or talk me through it a little? 13:54 < nsf> it does magic :) 13:55 < vrtical> Seriously, it looks at a go program that has a pretend 'import "C"' statement, and it generates a bunch of files, apparently. 13:55 -!- eikenberry [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:55 < vrtical> Though what it seems to do in practice is say "gcc produced no output" :-) 13:58 -!- waterwalker [~tar@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe75fb00-7.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:58 < vrtical> The example files in go/misc/cgo seem to use magic in the distribution makefiles to abstract out what cgo does - they don't say import "C", they say things like import "stdio" 13:58 < nsf> vrtical: well, it glues C code with Go 14:06 -!- lulu [~lulu@v-114-31.vpn.dhcp.ubc.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:06 < jessta> vrtical: the hello programm in go/misc/cgo imports the stdio package. which is made up of the other .go files in that directory 14:08 < vrtical> doh. 14:10 -!- LeNsTR [~lenstr@unaffiliated/lenstr] has joined #go-nuts 14:12 -!- Shyde [~Shyde^^@HSI-KBW-078-043-070-132.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:15 -!- halfie_ [~lulu@v-114-31.vpn.dhcp.ubc.ca] has joined #go-nuts 14:23 -!- Shyde [~Shyde^^@HSI-KBW-078-043-070-132.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Shyde] 14:25 -!- MizardX [~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:28 -!- monteslu [~monteslu@ip68-109-175-168.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30 -!- monteslu [~monteslu@ip68-109-175-168.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:31 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.94.195] has joined #go-nuts 14:31 < vrtical> woo, I have compiled a trivial cgo program! (wrapping putchar). The stuff in the docs directory makes more sense now, though I still think some documentation would be nice. 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19:32 < Eko> the two lines I pasted above are the only ones that don't have a pair (e.g. the send command receive result didn't complete) 19:32 -!- ender2070 [~ender2070@wcphamil47guise.grokspots.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 19:51 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:03 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:11 < Eko> !gopkg flag 20:11 < GoBIR> Eko: Package flag - http://golang.org/pkg/flag 20:13 -!- rv2733 [~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16 < Eko> okay, I made a test case for this that doesn't have all of the other crap 20:16 < Eko> http://gist.github.com/461811 20:16 < Eko> Is there something wrong with that code? 20:16 -!- belkiss 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