--- Log opened Sun Sep 26 00:00:08 2010 00:00 -!- ExtraSpice [~XtraSpice@88.118.34.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:01 < crazy2be> uh? 00:02 < scyth> in your code, MediaSgroup is declared somewhere... 00:02 < scyth> it has to be, if you wanna use it 00:02 < crazy2be> Oh, this is in the template file 00:02 < crazy2be> are you familiar with the template library? 00:02 < scyth> nope 00:03 < crazy2be> heh 00:03 < crazy2be> well i pass a Photo to the template library 00:03 < crazy2be> And then i can access the fields of it in the template file 00:04 < crazy2be> So like i do 00:04 < crazy2be> <img src="{MediaSgroup.MediaScontent[0].Url}" alt="{Summary.ST}" /> 00:04 < crazy2be> The Summary.ST part works, but not the MediaSgroup... part 00:04 < scyth> sec 00:05 < scyth> what did you print exactly above? <crazy2be> scyth: Well, printing it with %+v gives me... 00:06 < scyth> what variable? 00:06 < crazy2be> THe one i pass to the template package 00:06 < scyth> which is... what? how do you call it 00:06 < scyth> it doesn't match your structure 00:07 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-135-199.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 00:07 -!- Davidian1024 [~Davidian1@cpe-98-27-192-193.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:07 < scyth> {Title:{ST:Untitled Album Type:text} Summary:{ST:Just a test Type:text} MediaSgroup:{MediaScontent 00:07 < scyth> so 00:07 < scyth> try using 00:07 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-135-199.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:08 < scyth> you don't have MediaSgroup element in your Photo struct on pastie 00:08 < scyth> ah.. tabs 00:08 < scyth> sorry 00:08 < crazy2be> Yeah :P 00:08 < crazy2be> it messed up because of that 00:12 -!- virtualsue_ [~chatzilla@93-97-62-8.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 00:12 < scyth> MediaScontent []*PhotoItem; 00:12 < scyth> try this 00:14 -!- thaostra [~joshua@71.168.114.217] has joined #go-nuts 00:18 < crazy2be> No change 00:19 < crazy2be> I think the issue is in 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It aborts when assembling linux/amd64/sys.s: http://pastebin.org/1201439 08:36 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-141-108-109.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: slashus2] 08:38 -!- melba [~a@85.11.190.15] has joined #go-nuts 08:38 -!- melba [~a@85.11.190.15] has quit [Changing host] 08:38 -!- melba [~a@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #go-nuts 08:43 -!- diegoviola [~diego@190.23.48.144] has joined #go-nuts 08:43 < diegoviola> hi 08:45 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-241-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:48 -!- jhh_ [~jhh@f048168135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:52 -!- jhh [~jhh@0-008.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:53 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@93-97-62-8.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 08:56 -!- res [c9ed8246@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.237.130.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1CB30.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 09:08 -!- Fish [~Fish@bus77-2-82-244-150-190.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:21 -!- photron [~photron@port-92-201-47-154.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 09:23 -!- virtualsue_ [~chatzilla@93-97-62-8.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 09:24 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@93-97-62-8.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:37 -!- fenicks [~christian@log77-3-82-243-254-112.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:42 < diegoviola> go will replace java? ;) 09:48 < Bombe> Sure, right after you have been replaced by a broken typewriter. 09:50 < diegoviola> did i touched you a nerve or something? 09:51 < Bombe> Not at all. Why are people so insistent on things replacing other things? Especially things that have nothing to do with each other? 09:53 < diegoviola> yeah, that is a good point 09:53 < diegoviola> does Go has libraries to do database work, GUI apps, web apps, etc? 09:54 < napsy> sure 09:54 < napsy> diegoviola: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings 09:55 < diegoviola> Bombe: I don't want things to be replaced or Java to be replaced 09:56 < Bombe> Oh, then I must have understood “go will replace java? ;)” completely wrong and I have to apologize. 09:56 < diegoviola> I just hope that languages like Go make a change in the computing industry, I mean, most jobs nowadays all ask for .Net or Java experience 09:56 < Bombe> And it will stay that way for quite some time, probably. 09:57 < Bombe> Because Java and .NET are here now, and they are proven to work. 09:57 < diegoviola> yeah apologies for that :) 09:57 < diegoviola> I was kidding 09:57 < diegoviola> anyways 09:57 * araujo writing a small scripting language too 09:58 < melba> diegoviola, no jokes, this is the internet 09:58 < melba> srs bsns 09:58 < Bombe> :) 09:59 < diegoviola> :) 10:02 -!- ukai [~ukai@nat/google/x-vvtclmpcnfadptux] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:03 -!- ukai [~ukai@nat/google/x-ertfzryhyarxhoue] has joined #go-nuts 10:13 -!- tvw [~tv@e176001162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 10:16 < uriel> Bombe: I'm not really that interested in seeing java replaced 10:17 < uriel> Bombe: more in seeing it killed, its corpse thrown to the dogs, then the dogs burned, and the ashes thrown into a supper massive black hole 10:19 < uriel> and java and .net are 'proven to work' in the same sense that communism is proven to work in North Korea 10:24 < diegoviola> it's fine if java and .net are proven to work, but i would like to see more options, say Go being required in jobs and more options like that, more flexibility :) 10:26 < diegoviola> i understand that most companies can't take the risk of using new languages and tools though 10:27 < diegoviola> uriel: why do you hate java so much? 10:27 < diegoviola> or why you don't like it... 10:27 < Namegduf> "proven to work" is a really low line for quality. 10:28 < diegoviola> i agree 10:29 -!- Drahgkar_mobile [~chris@66.93.162.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:30 < diegoviola> sometimes new tools are better and more stable than the old tools that are "proven to work", but sometimes some people just don't see that, they go with the tools that have been used for long and are "proven to work" 10:34 -!- tasosos [~tasosos@178.128.49.242.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #go-nuts 10:38 -!- drry [~drry@unaffiliated/drry] has quit [Quit: Tiarra 0.1+svn-37855M: SIGTERM received; exit] 10:39 < nsf> hehe, I've never used java, but regarding .NET I can say that it's one of the most horrible language libraries I've ever seen 10:40 < nsf> the VM itself it fine though 10:40 < nsf> is* 10:41 -!- drry [~drry@unaffiliated/drry] has joined #go-nuts 10:46 < diegoviola> yeah i've used the vm and some libs with other languages 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there is the best tool for each task 17:43 -!- zerd [~quassel@tor.zerd.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:43 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@188.107.221.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:50 -!- falconin1y [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:50 -!- falconin1y [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has joined #go-nuts 17:50 -!- falconin1y [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has quit [Client Quit] 17:51 -!- falconin1y [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has joined #go-nuts 17:52 -!- falconin1y [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has quit [Client Quit] 17:52 -!- falconindy [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52 -!- falconindy [~noclaf@unaffiliated/falconindy] has joined #go-nuts 17:52 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 17:59 < nickaugust> nsf: i dont know where you find the time :) 17:59 -!- zerd [~quassel@tor.zerd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00 < nsf> nickaugust: to do what? 18:00 < nickaugust> for all these projects i mean 18:00 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.27.133.105.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 18:01 < nsf> most of them are really small 18:02 < mpl> I'm more amazed at how much time ppl can waste over trivialities on the go-nuts list, or just writing about their life there... 18:02 < nsf> :D 18:03 < nsf> well known fact 18:03 < nsf> people talk too much 18:03 < nsf> :) 18:03 < Namegduf> I know, particularly on certain subjects. 18:03 < nsf> or in this era "talk" should be replaced with "communicate" 18:03 < Namegduf> I've started writing a reply a number of times, but then decided that I should just stay out of it. 18:03 < cbeck> I don't know that a whole lot of it can be really classed as communication 18:04 < cbeck> Namegduf: likewise 18:04 < mpl> my turn. I've just finished a little go-gtk app that takes as input the signal coming from a labview program to display various astronomical images, and I'm pretty happy about that. :) 18:04 < Namegduf> Neat. 18:07 < mpl> the setup is pretty horrible. as I am stubborn and wanted to do that in go, the gtk part has to run on windows. while the labview program has to run on windows (because installing labview + the drivers for the device on linux is a nightmare). so what I do is I have the output of one sent to the input of the other through a netcat, with the go-gtk program running in a virtualbox. 18:07 -!- zerd [~quassel@tor.zerd.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:07 < mpl> s/has to run on windows/has to run on linux/ obviously. 18:08 < mpl> </ spilling my life> 18:08 < nsf> hehe, I'm thinking a lot about that lately 18:08 < nsf> because apparently Go will not have shared libraries 18:08 < mpl> about what? 18:08 < mpl> about windows compat? 18:08 < nsf> apps communication :) 18:08 < Namegduf> I think Go's going to have them in gccgo eventually. 18:09 < mpl> yeah, that netcat trick saved my life, I'm so happy I could get away with that. 18:09 < Namegduf> Well, maybe just dynamic libraries, not shared libraries. 18:09 < vsmatck> Until Go does the LGPL will be equivalent to the GPL as far as Go is concerned. 18:09 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:09 < vsmatck> Which could be a problem for freedom haters. :) 18:09 < nsf> Namegduf: interesting point 18:09 < Namegduf> That is a side effect. 18:09 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@93-97-62-8.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 18:10 < mpl> only problem is gtk + big images in memory + virtualbox = fuckton of memory. so it won't run on a 512MB laptop. 18:10 < Namegduf> Who are the freedom haters? 18:10 < Namegduf> The LGPL-but-not-GPL fans, or GPL varient fans in general? 18:10 < Namegduf> It's hard to tell with all the versions of the word freedom out there. 18:10 < mpl> as long as they leave the fries alone... ;) 18:11 -!- major_majors [~major_maj@c-68-40-195-246.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:11 < vsmatck> Namegduf: I was just making a bad joke. But I guess in the context of my joke freedom haters would be those who don't want to GPL their Go program to use a LGPL library. *shrug* 18:11 * vsmatck has bad sense of humor. 18:11 < Namegduf> Aha. 18:12 < Namegduf> I don't actually care about freedom at all as a general thing, the only thing I dislike is condition attached to usage through measures outside of copyright. 18:12 < Namegduf> *conditions 18:13 < vsmatck> Oh like GPLv3 tivoization stuff? 18:13 < Namegduf> More like EULAs. 18:14 < nbjoerg> well 18:14 < nbjoerg> strictly speaking, the GPL is more like an EULA than most other licenses 18:14 < Namegduf> It isn't remotely EULA-like. 18:14 < vsmatck> I don't think I've ever read a EULA in my life so I really don't know what you guys are talking about. :) 18:14 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-141-108-109.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:14 < Namegduf> An EULA applies restrictions to usage of a product, which sans an EULA can be done without restrictions. 18:15 < nbjoerg> right, just like the GPL :) 18:15 < Namegduf> (As copyright doe not restrict uage) 18:15 < vsmatck> oh oh 18:15 < Namegduf> The GPL does not restrict usage at all- it provides limited permissions to modify and redistribute, which sans a licence cannot be done. 18:15 < Namegduf> (As copyright restricts those actions by default) 18:16 < Namegduf> An EULA restricts what you could do compared to a copy without any legalese at all, the GPL extends it. Different directions. 18:16 < Namegduf> It's the former I find objectionable. 18:16 < nbjoerg> Namegduf: the GPL restricts what I can do with code *I* have written 18:16 < Namegduf> And? 18:17 < nbjoerg> that's the part I consider to be very EULA like 18:17 < vsmatck> The thing I most don't like (I think it's probably a EULA thing) is client access licenses or licenses which only let you use 1 CPU and artificial crap like that. 18:17 < Namegduf> It might be in a very emotional sense, but it isn't for any particularly rational reason. 18:17 < nbjoerg> just like the MPEG LA license -- you may use the video software you bought from Adobe for 500$ for non-commerical use. otherwise, you have to buy a new license from us 18:17 < Namegduf> Restricting what you can do with code you write only applies when the code you write is a derivative work. 18:18 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@188.107.221.102] has joined #go-nuts 18:18 < nbjoerg> that's the part of the GPL that never has been tested in court AFAIK 18:18 < nbjoerg> and the GPL definition of derivative work is not the same as the definition in copyright laws 18:18 < nbjoerg> which makes the GPL more like a contract and less like a license 18:19 < Namegduf> False. 18:19 < Namegduf> That last line was kinda out there. 18:19 < Namegduf> IIRC the Berne Convention doesn't cover software at all, so there's no definition in copyright law for the GPL to have a definition like. 18:19 < nbjoerg> Namegduf: of course it does cover software 18:20 < Namegduf> I mean it does not explicitly define a derivative work in the context of software. 18:20 < nbjoerg> the precise definitions differ between jurisdictions and are generally more case law than written down 18:20 < nbjoerg> but there is a very practical test 18:21 < nbjoerg> did you write it without copying from other work? 18:21 < nbjoerg> if you do, it is not a derived work 18:21 < Namegduf> At any rate, the GPL by definition can only cover the definition in copyright law or better. 18:21 < nbjoerg> if it is to be considered a license and not a contract 18:22 < nbjoerg> "better" in this sense means less restrictive, just to be precise 18:22 < Namegduf> Right. 18:22 < Namegduf> The thing is that such a contract would need to be agreed to. 18:22 < nbjoerg> like I said, I don't know a single case where this actually ended up in court anywhere 18:22 < nbjoerg> all GPL violation cases I know are based on the redistribution clause 18:22 < Namegduf> If you didn't agree to the GPL in some way before/while getting a copy of the program, you could create your not-legally-a-derivative-work all you like. 18:23 < Namegduf> And no projects at present force people to "agree" to it, because it is presented and written as a licence. 18:23 < nbjoerg> simplest example, I write a program that utilizes readline. I ship my object files and link them at my client 18:23 < nbjoerg> why is my program a derived work of readline? RMS says it is 18:24 < Namegduf> The thing is that that's a question of what copyright law restricts, not a question of what the GPL grants. 18:25 < Namegduf> The GPL would still grant the same things in the same conditions, it'd just affect what you could do without a licence under copyright law. 18:25 < nbjoerg> copyright law says my own work is not a derivate of readline, because I didn't copy from it 18:26 < nbjoerg> [headers are a bit special, but they normally don't qualify for trivility] 18:26 < Namegduf> Then you can go with that regardless of whatever RMS says and if he doesn't like it he can take you to court and test it. :P 18:26 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1CB30.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26 < nbjoerg> of course, I still would have to (optionally) ship sources for readline etc 18:26 < nbjoerg> which is the point, everyone sued so far was on redistribution of (modified) sources 18:27 < Namegduf> Yeah. 18:27 < nbjoerg> anyway, this is off topic :) 18:27 < Namegduf> Heh, yeah, sorry. 18:27 < nbjoerg> just because the channel says we are nuts 18:35 -!- major_majors [~major_maj@c-68-40-195-246.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: major_majors] 18:37 -!- crazy2be [~justin@S0106001ac401d400.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:55 -!- gabriel9 [~gabriel9@93.157.192.28] has joined #go-nuts 19:00 -!- l00t [~i-i3id3r_@20150146192.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 19:09 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:a9e0:4e38:64b7:bb85] has joined #go-nuts 19:12 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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