--- Log opened Tue Oct 19 00:00:11 2010 00:00 -!- gabriel9 [~gabriel9@93.157.192.28] has joined #go-nuts 00:08 -!- gabriel9 [~gabriel9@93.157.192.28] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23 -!- dacc [~Adium@D-128-95-10-160.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #go-nuts 00:24 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.148.202.191] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25 -!- ExtraSpice [~XtraSpice@88.118.33.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/g7rJR by [Yasuhiro Matsumoto] in go/misc/goplay/ -- goplay: fix to run under windows. 00:37 -!- cco3-hampster [~conleyo@nat/google/x-jfeobtmsisdolbuf] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:40 -!- dacc [~Adium@D-128-95-10-160.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:41 -!- dacc [~Adium@D-69-91-182-222.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #go-nuts 00:41 -!- dacc [~Adium@D-69-91-182-222.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 00:45 -!- TEHEK [~TEHEK@209.220.221.42.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:45 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:50 -!- rbraley [~rbraley@ip72-222-128-78.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:54 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.75.154] has joined #go-nuts 01:02 -!- cco3 [~conley@c-69-181-138-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:02 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-160-163-40.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:13 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-135-199.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:19 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:22 -!- nelt [~radford@71-84-33-18.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 01:26 -!- enherit [~enherit@cpe-98-149-170-48.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:26 < nelt> Anyone know why net.pollster, net.pollServer and/or net.newFD are all network specific and not exported? They seem completely generic. I'd really like to use them for fifos, files, and devices as well as network sockets. 01:28 -!- __david__ [~daviddavi@cpe-98-151-185-99.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 01:28 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@201-40-152-123.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:30 -!- ysynopsis [~ysynopsis@c-67-165-183-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30 -!- Tv [~tv@gige.bur.digisynd.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:32 -!- ysynopsis [~ysynopsis@c-67-165-183-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:34 -!- ysynopsis [~ysynopsis@c-67-165-183-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37 -!- ysynopsis [~ysynopsis@c-67-165-183-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:37 -!- ysynopsis [~ysynopsis@c-67-165-183-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:39 -!- TEHEK [~TEHEK@209.220.221.42.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:42 -!- ysynopsis [~ysynopsis@c-67-165-183-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:44 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 01:46 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has joined #go-nuts 01:48 < skelterjohn> nelt: I don't have an answer for you, but that seems like a good question to pose to the mailing list. 01:49 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:56 -!- Maxdamantus [~m@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:56 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-124-135-199.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 02:05 -!- Tv [~tv@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 02:06 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:09 -!- Maxdamantus [~m@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:12 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:12 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #go-nuts 02:19 -!- vsmatck [~smack@64-142-40-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20 -!- raylu [raylu@c-24-131-193-106.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:22 < raylu> so i have a function that returns a string and it returns in both an if and else block, but i get 02:22 < raylu> auth.go:22: function ends without a return statement 02:23 < nsf> raylu: it's known "feature" of the gc compiler suite 02:23 < nsf> use this: 02:24 < nsf> func boolToString(b bool) { if b == true { return "true" }; return false } 02:24 < nsf> it's the same as in "if .. else .. " case, but compiler in this case is happy 02:25 -!- rbraley [~rbraley@ip72-222-128-78.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:25 < nsf> raylu: or simply add dummy return statement at the end of the function 02:25 < nsf> it won't be called anyway 02:25 < raylu> yeah, i did the former; thanks 02:26 < nsf> oops 02:26 < nsf> my func example should be: 02:26 < nsf> func boolToString(b bool) { if b == true { return "true" }; return "false" } 02:26 < nsf> oops :D 02:26 < nsf> func boolToString(b bool) string { if b == true { return "true" }; return "false" } 02:26 < nsf> here we go :) 02:27 -!- vsmatck [~smack@64-142-40-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:29 -!- rbraley [~rbraley@ip72-222-128-78.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:32 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-142gfrf.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:35 -!- gnuvince1 [~vince@70.35.165.38] has joined #go-nuts 02:37 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:38 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compiling "helloworld" as per the docs just results in 'syntax error near "<string>"' 16:00 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.50.25] has joined #go-nuts 16:00 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.50.25] has quit [Changing host] 16:00 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #go-nuts 16:02 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:03 < mpl> wrtp: hmm, why not? 16:04 < wrtp> mpl: 'cos it's kind of failure and kind of not... 16:05 < mpl> wrtp: don't you mean n == 0 and err != nil ? 16:06 < wrtp> no, because that's just fine. 16:06 -!- iomox [~ios@180.191.88.236] has joined #go-nuts 16:06 < mpl> uh, I'm lost. isn't it supposed to return the number of bytes read when all is fine? 16:06 < wrtp> but n > 0 and err != nil means that you've read some bytes, but it's an error too. i don't really know what that means 16:06 < mpl> oh, right. 16:07 < wrtp> so i assume that if n > 0, then err == nil. but that may be erroneous. 16:07 < mpl> yeah. 16:07 < Ina> Probably worth looking what kind of error it is, if it spews one. 16:07 < mpl> well there's the other way around for func (*Buffer) Read 16:08 < wrtp> mpl: ? 16:09 < mpl> "If the buffer has no data to return, err is os.EOF even if len(p) is zero; otherwise it is nil. " 16:09 < mpl> that sounds like one of those special cases to me as well, just not the same as yours. 16:09 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@62.176.237.78] has joined #go-nuts 16:10 < wrtp> yeah, that's fine. just means that n==0 => err != nil 16:10 -!- Tv [~tv@gige.bur.digisynd.com] has joined #go-nuts 16:10 < wrtp> but... does n>0 => err == nil. that's the question. 16:10 < niemeyer> grumpytoad: Where's the code? 16:11 < mpl> wrtp: I wouldn't assume so. 16:11 < mpl> wrtp: after all, one is always supposed to check the error _before_ using n, shouldn't he? 16:11 < grumpytoad> niemeyer: its in the install docs - http://pastebin.org/315723 16:11 < niemeyer> grumpytoad: Looking 16:12 < grumpytoad> i must have some environment variable wrong 16:12 < mpl> wrtp: oh, I've just realized I have this exact same case in the package I'm working on (lzw compression), 16:13 < mpl> wrtp: it can happen that the encoding/decoding fails before the end and at this point I'm returning the number of bytes that have been effectively read/written AND an error 16:13 < niemeyer> grumpytoad: This program is correct, and runs fine here too 16:13 < grumpytoad> yes.. very puzzling 16:13 < grumpytoad> hello.go:5: syntax error near "<string>" 16:13 < wrtp> mpl: i think in that case i'd first return the number of bytes that have been read. and the next read would return the error, 16:13 < wrtp> s/,/./ 16:14 < niemeyer> grumpytoad: There's no string in line 5.. 16:14 < wrtp> after all, some bytes have been read without error. 16:15 < grumpytoad> i also seem to have to use ';' sometimes instead of ommiting them 16:15 < wrtp> writing is a different matter. 16:15 < mpl> hmm I don't allow for "next read" so far, because it has to be read/written in one go as it's a stream of bits which are non aligned on bytes. 16:15 < niemeyer> wrtp: This would mean having to keep internal state which is already known rather than letting the programmer know that it's done 16:15 < mpl> I'll try to cope with that later. 16:15 < niemeyer> wrtp: Also, it is consistent in the sense that if n < len(buf), you know err is set 16:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/g8lkq by [Luuk van Dijk] in 2 subdirs of go/src/cmd/ -- [68]l: expose genasmsym. 16:16 < niemeyer> So feels like a pretty good API. Pretty close to POSIX too, without any coincidences. 16:16 < wrtp> niemeyer: that's not true. it's perfectly ok to return a short read with no error. 16:16 < wrtp> niemeyer: reads from the network often do. 16:18 < niemeyer> wrtp: Indeed.. I was thinking about an API which I read recently, but I can't recall what it is now.. 16:18 < wrtp> bufio seems to go to some effort to avoid returning n > 0 and err != nil 16:18 < Tv> getting both data and error is probably not desired 16:18 < Tv> POSIX can't do that, so most people don't expect that 16:18 < wrtp> that's what i think 16:18 < niemeyer> wrtp: Ah, yeah, it was bufio, nevermind 16:18 < Tv> usually what you get is the error on the next read 16:18 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 16:19 < wrtp> Tv: yup 16:19 < niemeyer> """ 16:19 < niemeyer> If nn < len(p), also returns an error explaining 16:19 < niemeyer> why the read is short. At EOF, the count will be 16:19 < niemeyer> zero and err will be os.EOF. 16:19 < niemeyer> """ 16:19 < Tv> niemeyer: that smells a bit iffy :-/ 16:19 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:19 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Changing host] 16:19 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 16:20 < wrtp> hmm, i think niemeyer wins 16:20 < Tv> i guess it'll just be EINTR etc often 16:20 < Tv> i fear people won't know to check it 16:20 < Tv> or, basically, check err and ignore the data 16:20 < wrtp> i can see why bufio needs to do that too 16:21 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-hakdgzfqwrauuuhy] has joined #go-nuts 16:21 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 16:21 < wrtp> actually, i don't 16:23 < Tv> reading bufio.Reader.Read actually disagrees with the comment 16:23 < wrtp> Tv: i'm not sure it does 16:23 < Tv> oh wait except i missed the for loop 16:23 < Tv> that way nn can be >0 16:23 < wrtp> yup 16:24 < wrtp> i missed it too the first time 16:24 < mpl> that's tricky. I would indeed at first try discard the data if err != nil, unless I know what error I'm expecting. 16:25 < Tv> that seems awfully confusing 16:25 < Tv> i'd expect every C programmer to get it wrong 16:25 < Tv> somebody want to file an issue ;) 16:26 < mpl> I think wrtp unwilligly volunteered himself :) 16:26 -!- iomox_ [ios@173.0.13.209] has joined #go-nuts 16:27 -!- artefon_ [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has joined #go-nuts 16:28 -!- artefon [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:28 -!- iomox__ [ios@173.0.9.250] has joined #go-nuts 16:28 -!- iomox [~ios@180.191.88.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:29 < wrtp> one of the interesting loopholes in the documentation, as a consequence of the ad-hoc nature of go interfaces, is that there's no definitive place to document the behaviour of the methods of a particular interface... 16:30 < wrtp> actually, io.Reader does a pretty good job. 16:30 < wrtp> why didn't i look there first. 16:31 * wrtp should RTFM! 16:31 < wrtp> "// Read may return a non-zero number of bytes with a non-nil err. 16:31 < wrtp> " 16:31 < wrtp> "In particular, a Read that exhausts the input may return n > 0, os.EOF." 16:32 < Tv> http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/its_a_trap.jpg 16:32 -!- iomox_ [ios@173.0.13.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:32 -!- iomox [~ios@s2.airvpn.org] has joined #go-nuts 16:34 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-160-163-40.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:34 -!- fabled [~fabled@mail.fi.jw.org] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:34 < mpl> 18:33 < wrtp> one of the interesting loopholes in the documentation, as a consequence of the ad-hoc nature of go interfaces, is that there's no definitive place to document the behaviour of the methods of a particular interface... 16:34 < mpl> ppl were asking the other day why I would want an easy way to search for all the implementations of an interface in the doc, that's exactly why. 16:35 -!- iomox__ [ios@173.0.9.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35 < wrtp> looking at all the individual implementations doesn't necessarily tell you the contract that the interface is expected to obey 16:36 < wrtp> i think documenting it on a particular interface type definition (e.g. in io.Reader) is probably the best way. 16:37 < mpl> wrtp: sure. I meant that in the sense that when I'm wondering something about the way I'm implementing my writer, I'd like to easily see the other implementations of writers to give me examples, ideas. 16:37 -!- iomox [~ios@s2.airvpn.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37 -!- grumpytoad [~niel@t1004.greatnet.de] has left #go-nuts ["WeeChat 0.3.0"] 16:40 < wrtp> yeah, sure 16:40 < wrtp> i think that godoc will do it eventually. 16:41 -!- iomox [ios@173.0.1.238] has joined #go-nuts 16:46 -!- iomox_ [~ios@180.191.88.236] has joined #go-nuts 16:48 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has joined #go-nuts 16:49 -!- skejoe_ [~skejoe@188.114.142.231] has joined #go-nuts 16:50 -!- iomox [ios@173.0.1.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:50 < Soultaker> what is an easy way to split a string by whitespace? 16:51 < niemeyer> Tv: re. filing the error, http://blog.labix.org/2010/06/17/the-forgotten-art-of-error-checking 16:51 < Namegduf> strings.Split 16:51 < Soultaker> that takes a fixed seperator, right? 16:52 < Tv> python imaplib is a horrible example ;) 16:52 < Soultaker> I was thinking more like TrimSpace 16:52 -!- cco3-hampster [~conleyo@nat/google/x-gakvbwpvfdksiwlz] has joined #go-nuts 16:52 < Tv> niemeyer: the real problem is going against POSIX and surprising people 16:52 < Soultaker> I can obviously write it myself, but it seems so common that I was hoping there was a standard function for it 16:52 < Namegduf> Ah, strings.Fields 16:52 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53 < Namegduf> "Fields splits the string s around each instance of one or more consecutive white space characters" 16:53 < Soultaker> Namegduf: ah, thank you! that's exactly what I was looking for. 16:53 < Namegduf> No problem. 16:53 < niemeyer> Tv: I don't know what you mean by that 16:53 < Tv> niemeyer: POSIX gives you either data or error, never both at the same time 16:54 < Tv> i expect a lot of people write foo, err := bar.Read(); if err != nil { fail here } 16:54 < Namegduf> Actually, no 16:54 < Namegduf> I know to check for EOF 16:54 -!- kanru [~kanru@118-160-163-40.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:55 < Namegduf> And POSIX will happily return EINTR, which is also invalid for such code. 16:55 < Namegduf> (Go will not, though) 16:55 < Tv> Namegduf: when POSIX returns EINTR or something, the *same* read will not return data 16:56 -!- HollyRain [~HollyRain@87.223.104.30] has joined #go-nuts 16:56 < Namegduf> No, but that's irrelevant to what I said. 16:56 < Namegduf> I was disagreeing with your second line. 16:56 < niemeyer> Tv: Reading the implementation of Read() in os, I don't see how there's disagreement there 16:56 < Namegduf> Saying that no, I wouldn't write that, because it'd be wrong for both POSIX *and* Go. 16:56 < niemeyer> Tv: Nothing fancy happens there 17:03 -!- ucasano [~ucasano@host153-182-static.227-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: ucasano] 17:05 -!- iomox_ [~ios@180.191.88.236] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07 -!- iomox [ios@173.0.6.232] has joined #go-nuts 17:07 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 17:08 -!- iomox [ios@173.0.6.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08 -!- iomox_ [~ios@180.191.88.236] has joined #go-nuts 17:09 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@2001:6f8:12c6:1c86:224:1dff:fed7:9541] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18 -!- prip [~foo@host169-128-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/g8pRO by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of go/src/cmd/ -- 5l, 6l, 8l: separate pass to fix addresses 17:22 < HollyRain> which is the best type for handling of text characters? I was using bytes.Buffer because it has WriteRune() but cann't be inserted new data 17:22 < HollyRain> would be better to use IntVector for it? 17:23 < Namegduf> Depends what you want to do with them? 17:24 < KirkMcDonald> HollyRain: I don't understand what you mean by "can't be inserted new data." 17:25 < HollyRain> I mean insert a char. before of the last character 17:25 < KirkMcDonald> Ah. 17:25 < HollyRain> it's for a line editor 17:26 -!- saschpe [~quassel@77-23-177-40-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:27 < cbeck> Perhaps a gap buffer of some sort? 17:27 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.76.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27 < KirkMcDonald> Yeah, a gap buffer is a thing. But in particular, I suspect you'll need to implement your own data structure. 17:28 -!- skejoe_ [~skejoe@188.114.142.231] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:29 < skelterjohn> func insertCharAt(buf string, index int, c byte) string {return buf[0:index]+string(c)+buf[index:len(buf)]} 17:29 < skelterjohn> ? 17:30 -!- gabriel9 [~gabriel9@93.157.192.28] has joined #go-nuts 17:30 < skelterjohn> can't beat that for space complexity 17:31 < KirkMcDonald> skelterjohn: So you want to allocate a new string and copy the buffer into it every time the user inserts a character. 17:31 < skelterjohn> no one said what we're trying to optimize, here 17:31 < KirkMcDonald> He mentioned making a line editor. 17:31 -!- prip [~foo@host97-123-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 17:31 < KirkMcDonald> So in that context, the "buffer" may be the current line. 17:32 < HollyRain> yes, but the changes as done in the buffer until that it is showed (after of pressing rturn) 17:32 < skelterjohn> responds to human typing? 17:32 < skelterjohn> if it responds to human typing, no need to be quick about it 17:32 < HollyRain> s/as/are 17:32 < skelterjohn> which means having simpler code can be a big benefit 17:33 < skelterjohn> i'd define an interface for this, do an inefficient but easy to debug version like i did above, and then if it needs it write a more efficient version by being clever about data structures 17:35 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.82.61] has joined #go-nuts 17:38 -!- synth [~cb@obfuscated.us] has left #go-nuts [] 17:39 < Soultaker> hmm, Go's RNG isn't seeded by default? 17:43 -!- gzmask [~ray@corwin.cat.uregina.ca] has joined #go-nuts 17:45 < skelterjohn> Soultaker: nope 17:46 < Soultaker> that's a shame. 17:47 < Soultaker> no way to seed it randomly either, as far as I can tell? 17:47 < Soultaker> (that's one of the few functions which are very hard to implement correctly, manually and portably.) 17:47 < Namegduf> "seed it randomly"? 17:47 < skelterjohn> Seed(time.Nanoseconds()) 17:47 < Namegduf> You can seed it with the current time 17:48 < skelterjohn> pretty portable 17:48 < Namegduf> Which is the normal approach. 17:48 < Soultaker> yeah, I do rand.Seed((1e9*sec + nsec) ^ (int64(os.Getpid()) << 48)) now 17:48 < skelterjohn> that sounds silly 17:48 < skelterjohn> just use what i did 17:48 < skelterjohn> unless it's possible that some programs will start at the exact same time in nanoseconds, you're safe 17:48 < skelterjohn> beyond that it's just the quality of the RNG, not your seed 17:49 < Soultaker> having to find a semi-random source of entropy manually is what's silly. 17:49 < Namegduf> There's no such thing as "semi-random". 17:50 < Namegduf> There's only psuedorandom. 17:50 < Soultaker> the current time is semi-random in the sense that it varies but it's predictable. 17:50 < Soultaker> I'd much prefer to pull however many bytes of state the RNG uses from /dev/urandom 17:50 < Namegduf> Yes, but that doesn't matter, unless you're using your RNG for cryptography. 17:50 < Namegduf> And you should *never use your RNG for cryptography*. 17:50 < skelterjohn> if you want to do cryptography, you have the right to be more clever 17:51 < skelterjohn> if you just want random behavior, time.Nanoseconds() is entirely sufficient 17:52 < Namegduf> If someone having the source of the RNG and the program being able to very painfully calculate the "next" random value is a problem 17:52 < Soultaker> is time.Nanoseconds() guaranteed to have nanosecond resolution? 17:52 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:52 < Namegduf> Then you need a solution suitable for crypto. 17:52 < Namegduf> If not, the time works. 17:52 < Namegduf> And the PID is HORRIBLE because programs started on system startup actually will hit the same PID fairly often. 17:52 < Namegduf> (Relatively speaking) 17:53 < Soultaker> hence the bitshift ;) 17:53 < Namegduf> A bitshift does not add any additional bits of entropy. 17:53 < skelterjohn> time.Nanoseconds() probably does not have nanosecond resolution 17:53 < Soultaker> no, what it does is ensure that two programs started at the same time will still use a different seed (with high probability) 17:53 < skelterjohn> but you probably also aren't going to launch two programs on the same CPU cycle 17:53 < Namegduf> The normal approach in C is to seed with the system time 17:53 < Namegduf> To the second 17:54 < Soultaker> no, my approach in C is to used (getpid()<<16)^(time(NULL)) :P 17:54 < Soultaker> for the same reasons. 17:54 < Namegduf> I didn't say "your approach" 17:54 < skelterjohn> Namegduf: doesn't cut it when you run thirty random experiments simultanteously 17:54 < Namegduf> I wouldn't presume to guess at your approach. 17:54 < skelterjohn> which is a standard case for me, anyway 17:54 < skelterjohn> but Nanoseconds() cuts it 17:54 < Namegduf> Also, repeating RNGs are useful in many areas where RNGs are useful, so unseeded ones are quite useful. 17:55 < skelterjohn> oh yes - we definitely don't want the RNG seeded for us, with no choice to seed it manually 17:55 < skelterjohn> that kind of thing makes machine learning stuff insane to debug 17:56 < Namegduf> Soultaker: I think the reason you're finding manual seeding to be so painful is probably that you're overkilling it. 17:56 < Soultaker> unseeded ones are useful, but that's what the Seed() function is for. 17:56 < Soultaker> I know I am, I just wish I didn't have to do it at all, and not think about timer resolution or the range of pids. 17:57 < Namegduf> I don't. 17:57 < skelterjohn> you don't. just use nanoseconds 17:57 < Namegduf> I seed with the current system time. 17:57 < skelterjohn> everything will work 17:59 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has joined #go-nuts 18:01 -!- HollyRain [~HollyRain@87.223.104.30] has left #go-nuts [] 18:03 < Soultaker> grmbl, and then I have to import time just to use rand :/ 18:03 -!- gabriel9 [~gabriel9@93.157.192.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 < Soultaker> I'll do it, but I won't like it! 18:09 -!- Ina [~Ina@524AFE97.cm-4-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:22 -!- nelt [~radford@71-84-33-18.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:24 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-88-198.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:26 -!- iomox_ [~ios@180.191.88.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39 -!- nelt [~radford@adsl-69-230-66-53.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:43 -!- nelt [~radford@adsl-69-230-66-53.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has left #go-nuts [] 18:44 -!- KirkMcDonald [~Kirk@python/site-packages/KirkMcDonald] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:53 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@109.8.8.202] has joined #go-nuts 18:53 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@109.8.8.202] has quit [Changing host] 18:53 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@base/student/cenuij] has joined #go-nuts 18:54 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 18:58 -!- emmanueloga [~emmanuelo@190.244.15.163] has joined #go-nuts 18:59 -!- artefon_ [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:03 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.16.126.193] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 19:08 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@5634798d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Morten. 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