--- Log opened Sun Nov 21 00:00:17 2010 00:03 < |Craig|> i'm confused. I used to have to import my packages as /packagename but with my new build system, I have to use just packagename, and thats what got me stuck this whole time I think 00:14 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.98.41] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 00:15 -!- watr_ [~watr@66.183.108.186] has joined #go-nuts 00:21 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.79.101] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 00:24 -!- jramnani [~jramnani@adsl-75-3-140-12.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:33 -!- noktoborus_ [~noxless@gateway/tor-sasl/noktoborus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34 -!- sauerbraten [~sauerbrat@p508CC67A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:46 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:56 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has quit [Quit: I ♥ Unicode] 00:57 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #go-nuts 00:59 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:06 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:11 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-228-153-104.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:11 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:24 -!- ExtraSpice [~XtraSpice@88.118.33.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:25 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:37 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 01:38 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@c-76-21-40-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:40 -!- sauerbraten [~sauerbrat@p508CC67A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40 < bmizerany> can anyone help me with gofmt -r? I'm trying to run a simple replacement but am getting an error. 01:40 < bmizerany> :!gofmt -r 'ch := s.Watch(p) -> ch := make(chan Event); s.WatchOn(p, ch)' store_test.go 01:40 < bmizerany> parsing pattern ch := s.Watch(p) : input:1:4: expected 'EOF', found ':=' 01:40 < bmizerany> I'm confused as to why it's expecting EOF 01:44 < SirPsychoS> is go's goroutine scheduling smart enough to switch goroutines if a cgo function call blocks? It seems like I'm getting into a deadlock involving C mutexes 01:45 < SirPsychoS> I guess I'm not sure it'd even be _possible_ to get around that 01:54 <+iant> SirPsychoS: If one goroutine is calling a C function via cgo, then if there is another goroutine ready to run, it should be run in a different OS thread 01:54 <+iant> that is, blocking in a cgo call should not block the program 01:54 -!- papna [~mike@python/site-packages/papna] has joined #go-nuts 01:58 -!- tdnrad [~tdnrad@D6290.WPA.Dal.Ca] has joined #go-nuts 01:58 < SirPsychoS> hmmm... well, what I think is happening is that one goroutine calls a c function that locks a mutex and then blocks on some form of input; meanwhile, the other goroutine calls another cgo function that locks the same mutex, and it can't progress 01:58 <+iant> that can certainly happen 01:58 < SirPsychoS> and neither (possibly) can anything else, since there's only one OS thread (as by default) 01:59 <+iant> no, functions calling cgo code don't count against the maximum number of threads 01:59 <+iant> blocking in a cgo thread won't stop other goroutines 01:59 < SirPsychoS> cgo calls functions in their own threads? 01:59 <+iant> no, it just doesn't count those threads against the maximum 01:59 <+iant> so if it finds something else to run, it will start up a new thread 02:00 <+iant> and when the cgo call returns, and the thread starts counting again, the extra threads will no longer be used 02:00 <+iant> at least, that is how it is supposed to work 02:00 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.92.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:00 < SirPsychoS> so then when a cgo call is started, a new OS thread is made if there are any other goroutines waiting? 02:01 <+iant> yes 02:01 * SirPsychoS goes to check whether that's actually happening with pstree 02:02 < SirPsychoS> looks like I do have 2 OS threads running 02:03 < SirPsychoS> ah alright, I figured it out... it's still ugly though 02:03 < SirPsychoS> it's not an absolute deadlock - it just can't progress until the first thing unlocks the mutex 02:05 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.97.179] has joined #go-nuts 02:06 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:35 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 02:40 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:41 -!- enherit [~enherit@71-83-188-75.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 02:50 -!- forrest [~forrest@c-66-41-24-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:52 < forrest> ok, i'm a little confused -- looking at "A Tutorial", they develop an I/O package -- this is just an example right? Is there a standard package for reading and writing files? 02:52 < Tv> there is a standard package 02:52 < forrest> i just want to do a little file manipulation to get my feet wet 02:52 < Tv> it looks a lot like the example 02:53 < forrest> is that the "io" package? 02:53 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:54 < tdnrad> forrest, you'll want to look at io, as well as os and bufio packages 02:55 < tdnrad> I was where you were about 4 days ago ;) 02:55 < tdnrad> where you are* 02:55 < forrest> ah, so os has the file 02:55 < tdnrad> err 02:55 < tdnrad> wow I need sleep 02:55 < forrest> or a time machine 02:55 < tdnrad> you know what I meant :) 02:55 < forrest> yeah, even read it right when you said it 02:56 < tdnrad> excellent then, lets pretend this never happened 02:56 < forrest> i know i'm getting ahead of myself, but is there a regex package? 02:58 < tdnrad> regexp 02:58 < tdnrad> http://golang.org/pkg/regexp/ 02:59 < forrest> cool 03:38 < tdnrad> off to bed, until next time, night night all 03:38 -!- tdnrad [~tdnrad@D6290.WPA.Dal.Ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:42 -!- htoothrot [~mux@66-169-185-121.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:59 -!- enherit [~enherit@71-83-188-75.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:03 -!- enherit [~enherit@71-83-188-75.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:05 -!- jramnani [~jramnani@adsl-75-3-140-12.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:20 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 04:23 -!- jramnani [~jramnani@adsl-75-3-140-12.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:28 -!- jramnani [~jramnani@adsl-75-3-140-12.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #go-nuts [] 04:30 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:30 -!- prudhvi [~nobody@nullpointer.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:30 -!- rphillips [~rphillips@unaffiliated/rphillips] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:31 -!- kkress [~kkress@64.62.173.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:31 -!- prudhvi [~nobody@nullpointer.in] has joined #go-nuts 04:32 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:34 -!- rphillips [~rphillips@unaffiliated/rphillips] has joined #go-nuts 04:34 < nictuku> spent hours trying to make mongo.Unmarshal() work. no luck. it won't populate the []int64 field inside my struct. http://pastebin.com/G2UBYS2c 04:37 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:51 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-98-219-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 04:52 < nictuku> ok I got closer now, using got.Get("arrayname") then doing .Elem() 05:02 -!- rhencke [~rhencke@ppp-70-247-243-221.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:02 < rhencke> anyone here on os x 10.6 that'd mind double-checking something for me? 05:03 < rhencke> i've either got a bizarre cgo bug, or a broken computer 05:06 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@c-76-21-40-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09 < |Craig|> rhencke: I have a 10.6 machine, so if its really quick and easy to test, I can do it for you 05:09 < rhencke> thanks, craig 05:09 < rhencke> do you know where the cgo life sample is? 05:09 < |Craig|> Ive never done any cgo stuff I don't thing 05:09 < rhencke> it's under GO_ROOT/misc/cgo/life 05:10 < rhencke> try doing 'make life && ./life'.. that should work 05:11 < |Craig|> rhencke: I used gomake instead of make, but it made a little ascii picture thing 05:12 < rhencke> ok good 05:12 < rhencke> ok, go into life.go 05:12 < rhencke> where it says //export GoStart 05:13 < rhencke> make it //export Aaa 05:13 < rhencke> and change //export GoWait to //export Bb 05:13 < rhencke> then in c-life.c 05:14 < rhencke> on line 15, change GoStart_return to Aaa_return 05:14 < rhencke> then the rest of them, change GoLife to Aaa, and GoWait to Bb... there should be 4 of each 05:14 < |Craig|> rhencke: you mean just change the comments, not the method names in life.go? 05:14 < rhencke> Yes 05:15 < rhencke> on my box, after making those changes... i get dyld: Symbol not found: __cgoexp_Bb 05:15 < rhencke> what's weird though... if you change Aaa to Aa... it starts working 05:16 < rhencke> thanks craig 05:17 < |Craig|> rhencke: i get dyld: Symbol not found: __cgoexp_Bb too 05:17 < rhencke> how about if you change Aaa to Aa? 05:17 < |Craig|> and Aa works 05:17 < rhencke> ok,.. i'm not crazy 05:17 < rhencke> thanks, craig 05:17 < rhencke> that helps a lot 05:17 < |Craig|> yes, something else is crazy 05:18 < rhencke> now i'm just confused.. 05:18 < |Craig|> and I got a free show of cgo, looks kinda cool 05:18 < rhencke> it's pretty nice 05:18 < rhencke> its not without its limits, but it's pretty darn good at talking to the c world 05:18 < rhencke> you can even call go -> c->go ->c->etc 05:23 < |Craig|> only C project I use much at the moment is Panda3D, and while I managed to link to it with Cython, I don't think I want to try and do so from go, as I don't think that would be very easy 05:28 -!- rbraley [~rbraley@ip72-222-128-78.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:28 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:29 -!- rbraley [~rbraley@ip72-222-128-78.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:31 < rhencke> What is Panda3d? 05:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/hvXgd by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/go/token/ -- position.go: more flexible AddFile method 05:38 < |Craig|> rhencke: 3D game engine 05:40 -!- MorningSon [~MorningSo@cpe-70-114-5-180.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:40 < rhencke> ah, cool :) 05:40 < |Craig|> BSD licensed, written in C++, cross paltform, used for a couple commercial mmos. I have a feeling somewhere in the directX support, openGL support, or the fact that it won't even build with GCC on windows, it would fail 05:41 < |Craig|> my current Go project is a server for it as the scaleable commercial ones are not opensourced 05:41 < |Craig|> and writing a game server in go looked rather fun 05:44 < rhencke> Oh, awesome. :) 05:45 < rhencke> That sounds like a pretty fun project 05:45 -!- forrest [~forrest@c-66-41-24-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:00 -!- rhencke [~rhencke@ppp-70-247-243-221.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:01 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 06:02 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@5634798d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 06:14 -!- ejsherry [~ejsherry@dhcp-0-16-b6-e6-93-4e.cpe.quickclic.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:20 -!- ejsherry [~ejsherry@dhcp-0-16-b6-e6-93-4e.cpe.quickclic.net] has quit [Quit: ejsherry] 06:24 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@c-76-21-40-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:27 -!- krutcha [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:28 -!- ejsherry [~ejsherry@dhcp-0-16-b6-e6-93-4e.cpe.quickclic.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:29 -!- ejsherry [~ejsherry@dhcp-0-16-b6-e6-93-4e.cpe.quickclic.net] has left #go-nuts [] 06:29 -!- ejsherry [~ejsherry@dhcp-0-16-b6-e6-93-4e.cpe.quickclic.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:35 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.148.202.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38 < araujo> hello , I have been a bit out of the loop with Go , just a question ... Does Go already implement C-like unions? 06:38 < araujo> last time I checked it didn't 06:39 < krutcha> don't think so 06:40 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:40 < cbeck> No, it doesn't, I believe it's on the roadmap though 06:42 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:44 -!- noam [noam@IGLD-84-229-71-149.inter.net.il] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:44 -!- noam [~noam@IGLD-84-229-71-149.inter.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 06:51 -!- ejsherry [~ejsherry@dhcp-0-16-b6-e6-93-4e.cpe.quickclic.net] has quit [Quit: ejsherry] 06:56 -!- watr_ [~watr@66.183.108.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:56 -!- krutcha [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:02 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has joined #go-nuts 07:04 -!- Tv [~tv@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:56 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@5634798d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Morten. 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In case any of you want to write mongo stuff, try it first. https://github.com/edsrzf/mongogo 18:08 < Gertm> good to know 18:15 -!- DrHennessy [~alex@c-24-10-221-165.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:16 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.231] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:18 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 18:19 -!- jochang [3a72cb23@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.114.203.35] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 18:27 -!- MaksimBurnin [~max@44.188-224-87.telenet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 18:43 -!- forrest [~forrest@c-66-41-24-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@c-24-6-151-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:52 -!- aconran_ [~aaron@c-76-21-4-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:55 -!- watr_ [~watr@66.183.108.186] has joined #go-nuts 19:02 -!- jochang [~identd@58-114-203-35.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #go-nuts 19:02 -!- watr__ [~watr@66.183.108.186] has joined #go-nuts 19:02 -!- drako [~watr@66.183.108.186] has joined #go-nuts 19:02 -!- watr__ [~watr@66.183.108.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04 -!- drako [~watr@66.183.108.186] has quit [Client Quit] 19:04 -!- watr_ [~watr@66.183.108.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:05 < vsmatck> ya for sure. The gomongo driver is broken. mongogo is a lot better. 19:05 < vsmatck> The gomongo driver doesn't understand responses to getlasterror for example. Making is pretty broken. The gomongo driver is pretty much abandoned. 19:06 -!- tvw [~tv@e176002069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:06 < vsmatck> The main problem with the gomongo driver is that it's bson implementation is incomplete. The edsrzf bson library is really nice. 19:13 -!- jochang [~identd@58-114-203-35.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:14 -!- scandium [~rainer@95-90-126-141-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:14 -!- scandium [~rainer@95-90-126-141-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #go-nuts [] 19:14 -!- scandium [~rainer@95-90-126-141-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:18 -!- noam [~noam@IGLD-84-229-71-149.inter.net.il] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18 -!- noam [noam@IGLD-84-229-71-149.inter.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 19:21 -!- jochang [~identd@223.136.106.184] has joined #go-nuts 19:23 -!- aconran [~aaron@c-76-21-4-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:26 < zozoR> is there an ide with auto-completion out there yet? 19:26 < zozoR> for go that is :D 19:28 -!- bookses [~John@123.138.25.208] has joined #go-nuts 19:28 < MaksimBurnin> zozoR: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/ 19:28 < Tv> some dirty hippie wrote this thing called emacs... 19:29 < exch> zozoR: Not an ide, but someone here wrote an auto-completion daemon which you can plug into various existing IDE's. There's an example of how to plug it into VIM I believe 19:29 < exch> https://github.com/nsf/gocode 19:31 -!- bookses [~John@123.138.25.208] has left #go-nuts [] 19:31 < aconran> exch, interesting approach to write a daemon for autocomplete 19:32 < MaksimBurnin> :-D 19:32 < aconran> anyone aware of any ID3 tag lib readers in go? 19:39 < MaksimBurnin> dont know any of them but i think its easy to write one ;) 19:39 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF77F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:39 < |Craig|> goclipse has autocomplete, but last I checked it was missing some other basics 19:40 -!- DrHennessy [~alex@c-24-10-221-165.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: DrHennessy] 19:41 -!- piyushmishra [~piyushmis@117.200.224.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41 < exch> I started work on a more general tag library which included support for ID3 v1 and 2x tags, but I havent gotten round to finishing it. ID3v2 is a rather pisspoor protocol 19:45 < zozoR> cool 19:47 < MaksimBurnin> this week i was thinking about a large hex-editor with embedded scriptinng language and c struct parseing. you drag-and-drop a binary file, pasting struct definition from .h and you got highliting... 19:47 < exch> I can upload what I have to github if you want. Perhaps you can do something useful with it 19:48 < zozoR> im playing around with vector package, with the interface{} type, but apparently you just cant convert with int() or string(), so how do you do type assertion, like the compiler asks me to do? 19:48 -!- DrHennessy [~alex@c-24-10-221-165.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:49 < exch> it reads/writes id3v1. and reads id3v2 so far. writing of all frame types is partially added. 19:49 < exch> zozoR: myinterface.(int) 19:49 < exch> You can check if the interface is a string like this: if ok := myval.(int); ok { ... } 19:49 < exch> s/string/int 19:50 < vsmatck> Anyone seen/heard of the universal server that Joe Armstrong made? A server that doesn't know how to do anything but receive code and execute it? Seems like something like that would be nice with Go. 19:51 < vsmatck> Same idea as sawzall, and how mongodb uses javascript. 19:51 < Namegduf> I used to use that with owning goroutines. 19:51 < Namegduf> The owning goroutine for something did nothing but receive functions and run them. 19:51 -!- stalled [~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:52 < vsmatck> To do this requires that you can send go code somewhere and then eval it. 19:52 < vsmatck> I'm talking about over a network though. 19:52 < vsmatck> Like if I have a sharded database. I want to be able to send code to evaluate possible results on the remote servers. 19:52 < zozoR> exch: i cant seem to get "myinterface.(int)" to work with an empty interface : | 19:53 < vsmatck> I think a nice addition to the go standard library (way out in the future) would be a go compiler. 19:53 < exch> zozoR: how is 'myinterface' defined? 19:53 < zozoR> why not just make go run the 6g command through the cmd package? 19:53 < zozoR> interface{} :D 19:54 < vsmatck> A intermediate language for Go could help with that. Like if you had "var mySuperLongVariableNameOMG string" it wouldn't be good to send that variable name over the wire. Something like microsoft CIL. 19:54 < vsmatck> You also wouldn't want to have to have each remote server do full compile and apply all optimizations. 19:54 -!- Scorchin [~Scorchin@host86-163-124-29.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:55 < vsmatck> I mean, seems like google might want to do it. Sawzall is good but Go is far richer. 19:55 < zozoR> also "if ok := k[i].(int); ok {" gives me an error, it thinks that ok is an int :/ 19:55 < exch> var a interface{}; a = 123; var b int; b = a.(int); 19:55 < exch> that should work 19:56 < vsmatck> I'm not sure if this is inherently easier to do with a functional language (like Erlang). I'm no expert the subject. I've just recently started to appreciate how moving calculation to be as close to the data as possible is very useful (as the sawzall paper put it). 19:56 < exch> oh duh. sorry. it should be: if v, ok := myval.(int); ok { } 19:56 < exch> v then contains the actual int 19:57 < zozoR> ah :D 19:57 -!- tg [irc@tgbit.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 < exch> Here's the tag library for anyone who feels adventurous :p https://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-taggy I'm not sure if I will work on it anytime soon, so knock yourself out 19:58 < aconran> exch, thx :) will take a look 19:58 < exch> https://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-taggy/blob/master/music/music_test.go this file has some test cases using the ID3 readers 19:59 < exch> You'll have to put some MP3 files in the testdata/ folder for it to work though 19:59 -!- htoothrot [~mux@66-169-185-121.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:01 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 20:08 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@c-24-6-151-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08 < aconran> ah exch I was reading somewhere recently... (maybe a blog?) that you had a IRC bot framework built in go? 20:11 < exch> I did write some irc bot stuff, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a framework :) There have been some other people doing similar work thuogh. Perhaps you are referring to one of them 20:11 < exch> http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs check out the "IRC and IM" section 20:19 -!- aconran [~aaron@c-76-21-4-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21 -!- stalled [~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled] has joined #go-nuts 20:25 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26 -!- TheSaint [~thesaint@166.205.10.111] has joined #go-nuts 20:27 < |Craig|> I don't know if my generic container interests anyone, but I find it rather useful. It adds items (in constant time) faster than Append (on average), constant time remove and iterates about 3 time slower than a slice from my testing. https://github.com/Craig-Macomber/Grains--Vegetarian-Zombie-Rising/blob/master/Server/iterBag.got 20:36 -!- TheSaint [~thesaint@166.205.10.111] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:36 -!- DrHennessy [~alex@c-24-10-221-165.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: DrHennessy] 20:36 -!- TheSaint [~thesaint@166.205.10.111] has joined #go-nuts 20:37 < vsmatck> What's the advantage of that over a container/list? 20:38 < vsmatck> Ah. Something to do with the BlockChan function? *thinks* 20:45 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@dslb-094-219-219-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:47 < |Craig|> vsmatck: constant time remove, and faster append 20:48 < |Craig|> its easy to write a loop for it that iterates through and adds and removes elements like a linked list in some respects, but its faster than one because of how its stored 20:49 < |Craig|> The BlockChan is not very special, its just equivalent to sending slices of a list out a channel 20:52 < |Craig|> wastes less space than Append for large lists too. 20:52 -!- TheSaint [~thesaint@166.205.10.111] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:57 -!- gnuvince_ [~vince@72.0.215.119] has joined #go-nuts 21:03 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 21:04 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 21:05 -!- tvw [~tv@e176002069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:06 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@c-76-21-40-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053008049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:26 < krutcha> anybody seen an example of using crypto.tls? Trying to see how hard its going to be to get my jabber client talking to talk.google.com 21:27 -!- pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-219-43.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:29 < exch> krutcha: have a look at the http package. it implements a secure connection using TLS 21:29 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-204-211.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:29 < krutcha> ty, will do 21:29 -!- pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-219-43.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-219-43.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:38 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.231] has joined #go-nuts 21:40 -!- DrHennessy [~alex@2002:180a:dda5:1234:223:6cff:fe7f:7ef2] has joined #go-nuts 21:44 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:45 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 21:48 -!- sauerbraten [~sauerbrat@p508CAE9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@5634798d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Morten. Desu~] 21:49 -!- Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53 < madari> krutcha: also worth mentioning: http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/72da4c5daf0a1bc4/6a436cc4382c56b7 21:53 < madari> Russ Cox has pasted sources of a rough xmpp client (talking to google talk) 21:53 < madari> it seems to have tls features too 21:55 < madari> heh ok it says: "The code below refers to an openssl wrapping package, 21:55 < madari> not included. It should be easy to convert it to use 21:55 < madari> crypto/tls, which didn't exist when I wrote the code. " 21:55 < madari> =) 21:56 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF77F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 22:05 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 22:06 -!- fenicks [~christian@log77-3-82-243-254-112.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:11 < fenicks> hello 22:11 < madari> hi 22:17 -!- scandium [~rainer@95-90-126-141-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28 -!- tdnrad [~tdnrad@D6236.WPA.Dal.Ca] has joined #go-nuts 22:37 < SirPsychoS> is there a way to use poll() or equivalent functionality in Go? (it does need to be on a file descriptor and/or os.File, not on a channel) I can't find anything in package os or syscall 22:38 -!- Tuller [~tuller@c-69-143-52-174.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:38 -!- ikaros_ [~ikaros@dslb-094-219-219-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leave the magic to Houdini] 22:38 -!- Tuller [~tuller@c-69-143-52-174.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39 < SirPsychoS> I guess that's kind of a bad question - cgo is _a_ way to do it. the real question is what's the optimal way to wait for input on an fd without reading any 22:42 < Tv> SirPsychoS: have you tried just having a goroutine read from every fd you need? 22:42 < Tv> you might be surprised by what happens automatically for you.. 22:42 < SirPsychoS> unfortunately it's only one fd, managed _mostly_ by Xlib 22:42 -!- siyb [~siyb@83.216.216.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43 -!- siyb [~siyb@83.216.216.131] has joined #go-nuts 22:43 < SirPsychoS> the problem in a nutshell is: XNextEvent (via cgo) locks a mutex and then blocks on reading from the X fd. Meanwhile, another goroutine wants to call to Xlib, and that call also tries to lock the same mutex, so it gets stuck until X gets an event 22:44 < SirPsychoS> one solution is to have the event-reading goroutine sit in a tight loop involving XPending (ewww) 22:45 < Tv> maybe you want xcb instead of Xlib 22:45 < SirPsychoS> I need the composite extension :( 22:45 < SirPsychoS> xgb doesn't have it yet 22:46 < Tv> SirPsychoS: how would you solve the problem in a multi-threaded C app? 22:46 < Tv> if one thread does blocking read while holding the lock, you're kinda screwed even there 22:47 < SirPsychoS> but if I can block on Xlib's fd outside the mutex-protected region, I ensure that XNextEvent doesn't block other Xlib calls from proceeding, while also not sitting in a tight loop - it does check for events more often than necessary, but not, I think, any more often than XNextEvent itself would 22:47 < Tv> you're thinking of only calling XNextEvent when there's data to be read? 22:47 < SirPsychoS> exactly 22:47 < Tv> but that doesn't say it can read the whole message.. 22:48 < SirPsychoS> well, I'm not concerned about microsecond delays of network latency 22:48 < SirPsychoS> I'm concerned about what happens when no X events are happening, tens of seconds can pass before XNextEvent returns, meanwhile no other xlib calls work 22:49 -!- SoniaKeys [~soniakeys@c-76-118-178-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:49 < SirPsychoS> basically I'm thinking, for ;; { poll(); for XPending() {XNextEvent} } 22:50 < SirPsychoS> the XPending() solves the issue of there being only a partially-received event or something received that's not an event (a reply or an error) 22:51 < SirPsychoS> all it wastes is a single call to XPending and then back to blocking on i/o 22:52 < Tv> sounds like you'll have to go for http://golang.org/pkg/syscall/#Select direct 22:52 < Tv> there's no poll wrapper, but there is an epoll wrapping 22:52 < Tv> epoll is just overkill for a single fd 22:55 < SirPsychoS> hmm, what's the difference between poll and select? looking at the manpage they seem to fulfill exactly the same role, if in a slightly different way 22:55 < tdnrad> When I put my struct in a list, how do I take it out later and use that struct? I guess I'm missing how Go deals without generics, I'm assuming something with interfaces but I can't find much documentation using lists. 22:55 < Tv> SirPsychoS: poll is newer & faster in some circumstances; epoll is even newer and even faster under some circumstances 22:55 < SirPsychoS> tdnrad: whtever_variable_name_you_assigned_from_the_list_into.(struct_type_name) type assertion 22:56 -!- siyb [~siyb@83.216.216.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:56 < Tv> tdnrad: it := take_it_out_of_the_list(); real_it := it.(MyStructType) 22:57 < Tv> tdnrad: if you're a C programmer, you can think of "it" as void* and real_it as struct yourthing* 22:57 < SirPsychoS> Tv: ah, makes sense. select it is, then 22:58 -!- siyb [~siyb@83.216.216.131] has joined #go-nuts 22:59 < SirPsychoS> or I could use syscall.Syscall(syscall.POLL, args) ... 22:59 < SirPsychoS> syscall.SYS_POLL * 22:59 < Tv> SirPsychoS: not worth the effort 22:59 < SirPsychoS> heh, alright 23:00 < Tv> poll = select for lots of fds; epoll = poll for dynamic sets of fds 23:00 < tdnrad> SirPsychoS, Tv, ok. Is there any way to say that a list will only contain a certain interface? and that way I wont need to do a type declaration? 23:01 < tdnrad> effectively mimicking templates/generics 23:01 < Tv> tdnrad: go has no generics currently; being able to mimic them would mean having them 23:02 < Tv> sprinkle the .(RealType) magic in your code a bit, it's totally doable 23:02 < exch> tdnrad: declare the list to have only that specific type or interface you need 23:02 < SirPsychoS> the only other option is to translate it to YourStructList with something like sed 's/interface{}/YourStruct/g' 23:03 < SirPsychoS> but that's not really... worth it 23:03 -!- awidegreen_ [~quassel@p5DF1FBF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03 < tdnrad> exch, how would I do that? 23:04 < tdnrad> Tv, the .(RealType) will definately work, I'm just curious about other ways 23:04 < Tv> tdnrad: this is go your talking about, the language is explicitly and intentionally simple ;) 23:05 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc5-aztw24-2-0-cust39.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:05 < tdnrad> I'm only a few days into Go, and I'm used to programing in Perl or C/C++. It's taking me a bit to learn the "best" way of doing everything in Go. 23:06 < SirPsychoS> as far as I can see, the only reason for generics is to have the compiler's type-checking extend to things that would otherwise be unchecked interface{} values 23:07 < tdnrad> SirPsychoS, you caught me. That's just what I'm used to. :-P 23:07 -!- siyb [~siyb@83.216.216.131] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:07 < SirPsychoS> aka in c++ you could use an stl::list<void*> for everything if you really wanted 23:08 < SirPsychoS> all you'd lose is type-safety 23:08 -!- siyb [~siyb@83.216.216.131] has joined #go-nuts 23:08 < tdnrad> SirPsychoS, yes, and I would never do that 23:08 < tdnrad> I guess that's why I feel a little weird doing it in Go 23:08 < SirPsychoS> but considering that Go, if I recall correctly, has a stated goal of type-safety, it seems like generics are kind of necessary 23:09 < tdnrad> SirPsychoS, I agree, which is why I thought there would be some trick with interfaces 23:09 < SirPsychoS> well yeah, stl::list<void*> would be horrifyingly bad c++ 23:10 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.4.83] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 23:11 < Tv> SirPsychoS: well yeah, c++ compilation times would be horrifyingly bad for go ;) 23:12 -!- aho [~nya@fuld-4d00d298.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:12 < Tv> also, .(NewType) does runtime type checking, which casting void* explicitly does not do 23:12 < SirPsychoS> yeah, I'm just talking about compile-time checking 23:12 < Tv> if there was a simple way to do it, it would have been done already 23:12 < SirPsychoS> I'm not saying it's simple :P 23:13 < Tv> we'll see if someone figures out a way that's good enough to pass muster 23:13 < SirPsychoS> I know they're still thinking it over 23:13 < SirPsychoS> yeah 23:13 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.231] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:14 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:14 < tdnrad> Nothing about designing a programming language is simple 23:15 < SirPsychoS> lol... type FdSet struct { Bits [16]int64 } 23:16 < SirPsychoS> that's real helpful 23:17 < SirPsychoS> oh, that's how it's defined in select.h too 23:20 < SirPsychoS> sooo is an fd_set just OR((1<<fd) for fd in set) ? 23:20 < Tv> SirPsychoS: for select, yeah, but use the abstractions 23:20 < SirPsychoS> they don't seem to exist in Go? 23:21 < Tv> hmm i think they do 23:22 < SirPsychoS> FdSet has no methods and the only function that takes FdSets in the syscall package is Select :/ 23:22 < Tv> hrmmh maybe they don't 23:22 < Tv> it's syscall pkg after all 23:22 < Tv> that's low low level 23:23 < SirPsychoS> yeah... maybe I'll write the abstractions into my own code 23:23 < Tv> *shrug* "man 2 select" for the hideousness 23:23 < SirPsychoS> lol, even that just says "use the macros" - I'm reading select.h :O 23:24 < Tv> yup 23:24 < Tv> but if anyone changed the representation of the select args, i expect the crater would be fairly sizable 23:25 -!- mbohun [~user@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:25 < SirPsychoS> heh, there was a pretty big crater when glibc's memcpy started conforming to its spec 23:25 < SirPsychoS> if they actually _changed_ the spec for a syscall... *shudders* 23:32 -!- enherit [~enherit@71-83-188-75.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:32 < SirPsychoS> set.Bits[d/64] |= 1 << (d % 64) 23:35 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:37 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@187.87.233.222] has joined #go-nuts 23:40 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 23:45 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@187.87.233.222] has left #go-nuts [] 23:45 -!- jdp [~justin@24.238.32.162.res-cmts.segr.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:49 -!- tdnrad [~tdnrad@D6236.WPA.Dal.Ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52 -!- aconran [~aaron@c-76-21-4-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:53 -!- DrHennessy [~alex@2002:180a:dda5:1234:223:6cff:fe7f:7ef2] has quit [Quit: DrHennessy] 23:59 < creack> hello --- Log closed Mon Nov 22 00:00:18 2010