--- Log opened Tue Jan 18 00:00:04 2011 00:01 -!- jesmon [~user@static-71-244-114-122.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:03 -!- crazy2be [~justin@S0106001ac401d400.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:09 -!- boscop [~boscop@f055164118.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12 -!- gits [~gits@77.94.219.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14 < crazy2be> if i declare type Time time.Time 00:14 < crazy2be> and then use type Time in my structs 00:14 < crazy2be> why can't i assign a type of type time.Time to a type of Time? 00:14 < crazy2be> or rather, a value with a type of time.Time to a value with a type of Time 00:15 < crazy2be> shouldn't they be equivenlent? 00:15 < cbeck> No, they are distinct types 00:15 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@dhcp-140-254-204-189.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 00:16 < crazy2be> well, then how can i convert between them? 00:16 < crazy2be> my goal is to override the String() method on time.Time, because i want to print it differently 00:16 < cbeck> I think you can static cast, but I don't remember 00:16 < cbeck> You can just define a new format.. 00:17 < crazy2be> can i? 00:17 < crazy2be> i can call the Format() function with a different layout 00:17 < crazy2be> but not make String() use a different layout 00:17 < crazy2be> as far as i can tell 00:17 < Namegduf> crazy2be: You just use Time(v) 00:18 < Namegduf> Same as with anything else. 00:18 < crazy2be> i thought i tried that :/ 00:18 < crazy2be> i tried Time{v} 00:19 < crazy2be> and many varients thereof 00:19 < Namegduf> () 00:19 < Namegduf> Not {} 00:20 < Namegduf> type{} is a literal of that struct type, with the value specified by whatever is set in the {}. If it's not a struct it doesn't make any sense at all. 00:32 -!- Tv [~tv@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:36 -!- xash [~xash@d064215.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #go-nuts 00:36 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:38 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75.92.43.21] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 00:40 -!- enherit [~enherit@cpe-98-149-170-48.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:54 -!- sav [~lsd@189001130056.usr.predialnet.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 00:56 -!- xash [~xash@d064215.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:11 -!- saturnfive [~saturnfiv@210.74.155.131] has joined #go-nuts 01:12 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.206.109] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:24 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:47 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:50 -!- progettino [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-150-191.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 02:00 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:00 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:10 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 02:11 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:12 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 02:20 -!- Tuller [~tuller@c-69-143-52-174.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28 -!- eikenberry [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:30 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:30 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:34 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has joined #go-nuts 02:35 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 02:41 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@dhcp-140-254-204-189.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:08 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 03:14 < sifi> I am having a hard problem trying to cast a string into an byte array. What is the proper way to do this? 03:16 < vsmatck> sifi: s := "ABC"; b := []byte(s); 03:16 < sifi> thanks vsmatck, it was another error that got me confused. 03:17 < vsmatck> np 03:22 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has joined #go-nuts 03:32 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has joined #go-nuts 03:35 < sifi> how would you join two byte arrays? looking at the function header, it asks for [][]byte. I tried doing []byte{[]byte{'1', '2'}, []byte{'3', '4'}} but it errors. What is the proper way to get a [][]byte then? 03:35 < sifi> maybe it is an error 03:36 < vsmatck> sifi: The language has a built in function called append. You could do b := append(b0, b1). You'd get b1 appended on to b0 and the result stored in b. 03:36 < Namegduf> That might change b0 03:36 < Namegduf> Just noting 03:37 < Tv> sifi: you need [][]byte{...} not just []byte{...} 03:37 < Namegduf> [][]byte is not two []bytes joined together. 03:37 < Namegduf> It is a slice of separate []bytes. 03:37 < Tv> [][]byte{[]byte{'1', '2'}, []byte{'3', '4'}} 03:37 < Tv> sure but he has some function header that takes that 03:37 < vsmatck> oh I misunderstood the question. Oops. 03:40 < Namegduf> What you want is a slice containing the two []bytes; [][]byte{b1, b2} is a literal for a new [][]byte initialised to that. 03:40 < Namegduf> Basically as Tv showed. 03:41 < sifi> that makes sense. I think I started mixing up my c and go. 03:41 < sifi> but that works. Yippy. 03:41 < sifi> thanks gents 03:45 -!- legis [~legis@unaffiliated/legis] has joined #go-nuts 03:46 -!- legis [~legis@unaffiliated/legis] has left #go-nuts [] 03:55 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00 -!- Tbb__ [~tbb__@HSI-KBW-109-193-104-005.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:01 -!- Tbb__ [~tbb__@HSI-KBW-109-193-104-005.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 04:14 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@dhcp-128-146-69-13.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 04:27 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:53 < sifi> is there a function that will take a uint64 and convert it to hex? 04:54 <@adg> sifi: fmt.Sprintf("%x", i) 04:55 -!- jackzh [~jackzh@58.47.159.223] has joined #go-nuts 04:56 -!- windbg [~jackzh@58.47.159.223] has quit [Client Quit] 04:58 < sifi> adg: perfect, thanks 04:58 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:00 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:00 -!- jackzh [~jackzh@58.47.159.223] has joined #go-nuts 05:04 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:16 -!- jackzh [~jackzh@58.47.159.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:19 -!- jackzh [~jackzh@58.47.159.223] has joined #go-nuts 05:23 -!- sav [~lsd@189001130056.usr.predialnet.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:35 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:42 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.101.105.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44 -!- sav [~lsd@189001130056.usr.predialnet.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 05:58 < crazy2be> if i'm passing around an array of events, should i use a []Event, *[]Event, or []*Event? 06:00 <@adg> crazy2be: depends if you want to store copys of the Events, or refernces to Event values 06:00 <@adg> []Event in the former, []*Event in the latter 06:01 < crazy2be> i figured 06:01 < crazy2be> but uh 06:01 < crazy2be> just from an efficiency standpoint 06:01 < crazy2be> []Event is a slice, so it's a reference type, right? 06:01 <@adg> it really depends on how you generate and use the events 06:02 <@adg> a slice refers to a contiguous block of memory (an array) 06:02 < crazy2be> that means that all the events will not get copied on each function call? 06:02 <@adg> not if you're passing in []Event 06:02 <@adg> if you pass in each Event, then they'll be copied one by one 06:02 < crazy2be> and how efficient (or inefficient) would appending to that slice be? 06:03 <@adg> copying large slabs of memory is pretty cheap 06:03 <@adg> but i couldn't tell you for sure one way or another 06:03 < crazy2be> well it's fairly rare that i'm appending to it 06:03 <@adg> it's best to just implement it the simplest way, and optimize it if it's slow 06:03 < crazy2be> relatively speaking 06:04 < crazy2be> so would []Event or []*Event be considered simpler? :P 06:04 <@adg> hard to say 06:04 <@adg> i can imagine []*Event being simpler if you need to pass individual events around 06:05 <@adg> actually []*Event has an important advantage 06:05 <@adg> imagine you have: 06:05 <@adg> s := make([]Event, 10) 06:05 <@adg> an there's a bunch of data there 06:05 <@adg> then you 06:05 <@adg> s = append(s, Event{blah blah}) 06:05 <@adg> this allocates a new backing array 06:05 <@adg> so any pointers you had to the original []Event, still point to the original one 06:06 < crazy2be> Yikes 06:06 <@adg> so if another piece of code updates those Events, they won't be updated in the current slice s 06:06 <@adg> so i would use []*Event if you are going to be mutating their contents 06:06 < crazy2be> ah yes, i had not thought of that 06:06 <@adg> that way you're guaranteed there's only one instance of each event 06:06 < crazy2be> i had only thought about the efficiency of []Event vs []*Event 06:07 <@adg> thinking about efficiency up front can often mislead you 06:07 <@adg> so, in answer to your earlier question, i think []*Event is simpler because it's more predictable 06:07 <@adg> :) 06:07 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 06:08 < crazy2be> well with something like this, choosing a data structure, i often chose upfront with efficiency for a particular task as a major consideration 06:08 <@adg> sure 06:08 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@204.14.152.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 < crazy2be> but when structuring things, i think about what makes sence, what is maintainable 06:08 < crazy2be> rather than writing it all is ASM for speed :) 06:08 <@adg> :) 06:08 < crazy2be> *all in 06:13 < crazy2be> also, is there some way i can get fmt.Println to print []bytes as string values rather than [ 23 34 65 ... ]? 06:15 <@adg> yeah just fmt.Sprintf("%s", b) 06:16 <@adg> or Printf, whatever 06:16 <@adg> or you can string(b) 06:16 <@adg> although if you just wanna output the bytes to stdout, you can os.Stdout.Write(b) 06:16 <@adg> avoid a lot of machinery that way 06:16 < crazy2be> hmm 06:19 -!- sav [~lsd@189001130056.usr.predialnet.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:29 -!- iant [~iant@216.239.45.130] has joined #go-nuts 06:29 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 06:45 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 06:47 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.151.166] has quit [Quit: tav] 07:13 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-254-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:21 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED4B890.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 07:22 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Morten. Desu~] 07:29 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has joined #go-nuts 07:29 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 07:32 < crazy2be> night all 07:32 -!- crazy2be [~justin@S0106001ac401d400.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED4B890.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:46 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@dhcp-128-146-69-13.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47 -!- Tv [~tv@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:55 < quantumelixir> adg: t := append(s, Event{..}) creates a new array copying all the existing Event objects, creating a new backing array. So, unless the Event{..} object itself holds pointers this shouldn't be a problem right? 07:55 < quantumelixir> Basically, s[0] = Event{..} doesn't affect t 07:59 < quantumelixir> on the other hand when you declare s and t of type []*Event, you can effect changes in t by manipulating s[0].var = something 08:00 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00 -!- itrekkie_ [~itrekkie@71-214-174-150.tcso.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:01 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:03 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-150-191.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 08:06 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED42E59.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 08:10 -!- itrekkie_ [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:12 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@71-214-174-150.tcso.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:15 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 08:15 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:15 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:16 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:17 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:17 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-207.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 08:21 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has joined #go-nuts 08:39 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 08:48 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@85.48.252.209] has joined #go-nuts 08:53 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 08:53 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-173-238.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 08:57 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-150-191.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:57 <@adg> quantumelixir: correct 09:00 -!- saturnfive1 [~saturnfiv@210.74.155.131] has joined #go-nuts 09:01 -!- saturnfive [~saturnfiv@210.74.155.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:02 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:04 -!- tvw [~tv@e176006041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 09:10 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-22-224.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:12 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.23.127.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17 -!- Skola [~ik@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 09:17 -!- Skola [~ik@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17 -!- Skola [~ik@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 09:39 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:40 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:51 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 10:06 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:09 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-207.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-207.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 10:19 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23 -!- saturnfive1 [~saturnfiv@210.74.155.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has joined #go-nuts 10:37 < wrtp> quantumelixir, adg: i'm not quite sure that's right, because append does not always copy the array 10:43 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.206.109] has joined #go-nuts 10:44 -!- jackzh_ [~jackzh@222.241.126.24] has joined #go-nuts 10:53 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 10:57 -!- nettok [~quassel@200.119.191.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:00 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-207.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-207.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 11:06 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.206.109] has quit [Quit: bye] 11:08 < taruti> Has anyone tried to hack an alternate (non-bash) buildsystem for 6g et all? 11:09 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-254-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 11:26 < exch> taruti: there are quite a few I've seen mentioned over the past year. I dont have any links to them though. I dont use any of them myself, because it just adds another dependency to a project. Perhaps some of the authors of these ca n point you in the right direction 11:38 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@116.26.128.219] has joined #go-nuts 11:43 < uriel> taruti: what does that even mean? 11:44 < uriel> in any case, there are plenty of build tools for Go, too many if you ask me: 11:44 < uriel> http://go-lang.cat-v.org/dev-utils 11:45 < taruti> uriel: building go itself. (in plan9 land without bash) 11:45 < nsf> taruti: current build system is make-based, but wrapped by bash scripts.. I did few experiments about that, mostly I was interesting in providing non-recursive makefiles approach, in theory it will make it possible to remove bash scripts or make them shorter 11:45 < nsf> everything I did is here: https://github.com/nsf/goal 11:45 < nsf> but it's not like ready to use replacement for buildsystem of the go compiler 11:46 < nsf> simply new makefile templates, that provide support for non-recursive use 11:46 < nsf> there are other problems, like automatic dependency management 11:46 < nsf> it isn't solved by me yet, in Go there is a bash script (again) which does this 11:46 < uriel> taruti: well, then that is a completely different question 11:47 < uriel> taruti: I think there might be some mk-files here: http://code.google.com/p/go-plan9/ 11:48 < nsf> hehe, and my solution is for linux with gnu environment 11:48 < taruti> uriel: thanks 11:48 < uriel> still, I don't think recent Go versions build on Plan 9 at all, you are supposed to cross-compile 11:49 < uriel> that said, I find the requirement for bash and gmake rather shameful, but I understand the reason, russ and co dont' have the time to care/worry about differences betweent various sh and make implementations 11:50 < taruti> well they *could* have used mk ;) 11:50 < uriel> yea, and add a whole new mountain of pre-requisites for building Go 11:50 < uriel> if you use mk, you really should use rc with it too 11:51 < uriel> they could have required p9p to build Go, but really, I doubt that option can be considered very reasonable 11:51 < taruti> point 11:51 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-207.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51 < taruti> I thought that there were versions of mk not requiring p9p 11:52 < uriel> there are, but really misses a good part of the whole point of using mk if you are going to have to use /bin/sh and the rest of the lunix luserspace 11:58 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has joined #go-nuts 12:01 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-150-97.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 12:04 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-173-238.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14 < KBme> taruti: any idea how i can make a logfile open as a log file (i.e. correctly can be tail -f'ed) in go9p? 12:14 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has joined #go-nuts 12:15 -!- lmoura_ [~lauromour@187.113.165.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15 < KBme> for this function https://github.com/soul9/go-ircfs/blob/master/channel.go#L29 12:15 < taruti> how does it fail? 12:16 < KBme> file truncated 12:16 < KBme> weird thing is ufs.go doesn't seem to do anything special to handle this case and logfiles work fine with it 12:17 -!- lmoura_ [~lauromour@187.113.105.211] has joined #go-nuts 12:17 < taruti> hmm 12:17 < taruti> not really much of an idea, I use the lower level interface like I told you 12:17 < KBme> ah, right 12:17 < KBme> dammit 12:18 < KBme> ah well, i'll figure it out 12:18 < KBme> thanks taruti 12:18 < taruti> np 12:18 < KBme> gotta run now, bye 12:18 < taruti> bye 12:20 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-xjlvzwthlnququka] has joined #go-nuts 12:21 -!- sifi [~silas@unaffiliated/sifi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:22 < wrtp> KBme: don't use O_CREATE 12:23 < hokapoka> Is there any notifier for the os package that moniters the local filesystem for changes? 12:23 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.162] has joined #go-nuts 12:23 < aiju> hokapoka: the whole filesystem? 12:23 < hokapoka> no, selected files. 12:23 < aiju> i don't think this is even possible with *nix 12:24 < aiju> at least not portably 12:24 < hokapoka> I'm using the template package and while it's not nessasary for prod release I'd like to moniter the files if they have changed re-load them. 12:24 < aiju> afaik all you can do is poll 12:24 < hokapoka> ATM I'm reading off the filesystem for each render, so I don't have to restart. 12:24 < hokapoka> okay. 12:25 < aiju> that's what tail -f does 12:25 < hokapoka> I figured that I'd have todo something like that. Wondered if there was anything already done along these lines. 12:25 < aiju> oh on Linux there is inotify 12:25 < aiju> but it's Linux specific 12:25 < hokapoka> right just like tail -f 12:26 < hokapoka> oh and b/c it's linux only it's unlikly to be brought into go. 12:26 < Namegduf> Using inotify for stuff running on Linux is common. 12:26 < Namegduf> It's already supported. 12:26 < Namegduf> os/inotify 12:27 < hokapoka> aha 12:27 -!- sifi [~silas@cpe-107-10-143-104.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:27 * hokapoka makes a mental note not to go direct to golang.org/pkg/<package> in future 12:28 -!- xash [~xash@d026182.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #go-nuts 12:28 < hokapoka> or just scroll to the bottom 12:28 < hokapoka> brilliant, many thanks indeed Namegduf 12:29 < aiju> hey it was me who brought up inofity :< 12:29 < hokapoka> heh and many thanks to you too aiju 12:34 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has joined #go-nuts 12:34 < wrtp> hokapoka: please write portable programs if possible! some of us don't use linux. and polling is usually just fine. 12:45 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 12:47 < hokapoka> wrtp: okay point taken, I'll just generate a simple polling routine to handle it. 12:47 < wrtp> thanks 12:47 < aiju> polling once per second should be enough 12:48 < aiju> just do a stat 12:49 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:50 -!- boscop [~boscop@g230098149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 12:51 < hokapoka> aye, I was going to use Lstat, but again might be better to use Stat in case there's a need to use symlinks. 12:52 < wrtp> hokapoka: if you've got the file open already, you could use Fstat 12:54 < hokapoka> oh yeah, then use template.Parse over template.ParseFile 12:55 < hokapoka> sweet. 13:10 -!- rlab_ [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 13:11 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:25 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:26 < uriel> for everyone interested in Go on Android: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=14112 13:26 < aiju> idk about memory efficiency actually 13:27 < skelterjohn> greater cpu efficiency than java? 13:27 < skelterjohn> lol 13:27 < aiju> Go has this HUGE runtime and HUGE typing information 13:27 < skelterjohn> the runtime is a constant 13:27 < uriel> I do know: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=threadring&lang=all 13:28 < aiju> wtf 130 MB 13:28 < uriel> that is just one benchmark, but Java is using around a hundred times more memory, while being slower than Go 13:28 < skelterjohn> uriel: is that some program that launches 50m threads? 13:28 < skelterjohn> that would certainly showcase one of go's advantages 13:28 < wrtp> looks like it 13:28 < aiju> why does C perform so badly? 13:28 < skelterjohn> but it's certainly not the most common case 13:29 < skelterjohn> i also can't imagine running 50m goroutines on a phone... 13:29 < uriel> in any case, Go trounces Java on memory usage: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=go&lang2=java 13:29 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.151.166] has joined #go-nuts 13:29 < wrtp> i'd love to see go on android, but i imagine all the resources are available through java APIs and that's going to be difficult to integrate with go. 13:30 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176097132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:30 < uriel> wrtp: supposedly that is being changed with the new NDK: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/01/gingerbread-ndk-awesomeness.html 13:31 < wrtp> good 13:38 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 13:39 <@adg> wow, go Haskell 13:39 <@adg> impressive 13:46 -!- surma [~surma@wlan-020-076.zib.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:47 < surma> Hey guys. Got a problem with unmarshalling json into interface{} types. Could someone take a look at this 7 sloc? http://pastie.org/1473425 13:49 < TheSeeker> sloc ... stupid lines of code? 13:49 < aiju> yeah 13:53 < surma> probably ^^ it's just a testcase 13:53 < surma> isn't sloc a common abbreviation? "Source lines of code"? 13:55 < surma> The core question is: Why does unmarshalling not work, when I pass the variable as a interface{} instead of it's actual type. 13:58 < jessta> surma: but you're passing it as *interface{} not interface{} 14:00 < surma> jessta: Well, if I don't pass it as a *interface{}, the os.Error says: json: Unmarshal(non-pointer int) 14:01 < surma> jessta: nevermind 14:01 < surma> jessta: it has to say: interface{}(&skip) 14:02 < jessta> indeed 14:02 < surma> Hm, let's see if I can do this with reflections somehow as well 14:02 -!- anticw_ [~anticw@c-67-169-68-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:03 < wrtp> adg: go Haskell? 14:03 < aiju> surma: that cast seems superfluous 14:03 -!- rickard2_ [~rickard@netra.esec.du.se] has joined #go-nuts 14:03 < aiju> &skip should work 14:04 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Fish, Boney, rickard2, anticw, frobnitz, scyth 14:04 < surma> aiju: I know, but, as I said, that is a testcase. I'm using reflections to traverse the parameters of a function. So I only can create the parameters reflect.Value and get their interface{} from it. 14:05 < surma> Now I have to see how I can go to pointers from there, preferably without using "unsafe" 14:06 -!- NuLLBiT [~mosva@122.172.124.197] has joined #go-nuts 14:06 -!- NuLLBiT [~mosva@122.172.124.197] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Fish, scyth 14:07 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: drd, ath, Natch|, jesusaurus, jumzi, cdsgf, jlouis, bortzmeyer, KirkMcDonald, schilly, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: niekie 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jyxent 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ath 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cdsgf 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: schilly 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jesusaurus 14:08 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-wdatznihiyrzhinn] has joined #go-nuts 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jnwhiteh 14:08 < jnwhiteh> adg: looking at the haskell golang parser? 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bortzmeyer, jlouis 14:09 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has joined #go-nuts 14:10 -!- KirkMcDonald [~Kirk@24.143.227.33] has joined #go-nuts 14:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: drd, Boney, frobnitz 14:11 < wrtp> surma: you can't 14:11 < wrtp> you can't create types that you don't already have 14:12 < surma> wrtp: Well, they do exist, it's just that I don't know them specifically 14:12 -!- i__ [~none@69.164.206.224] has joined #go-nuts 14:12 < wrtp> surma: how do you know they exist? 14:13 < wrtp> surma: Unmarshalling into *interface{} only works if the interface value is nil. 14:13 < surma> wrtp: My question basically turned out to be this: I have a reflect.Value, how I get an interface{}, which contains a pointer to the actual object/struct/whatever 14:13 < surma> wrtp: Because the method I have has them as parameters 14:13 < surma> and I therefore have their reflect.Values 14:16 -!- boscop_ [~boscop@g230098149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:16 -!- _DerHorst_ [~Horst@e176097132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:17 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.51.34] has joined #go-nuts 14:17 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.51.34] has quit [Changing host] 14:17 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #go-nuts 14:17 -!- elimisteve_ [~elimistev@pool-71-102-138-52.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:18 -!- jkakar_ [~jkakar@85.48.252.209] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- jae [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- ymasory_ [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 < wrtp> yes, but how do you know that the types that point to those types exist? 14:19 < surma> wrtp: Yeah, jessta just helped me fixing that. I was taking the wrong address. It's "interface{}(&limit)" 14:19 < surma> wrtp: I'm creating the instances my self using reflect 14:19 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176097132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- rlab_ [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- eikenberry [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- tvw [~tv@e176006041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@85.48.252.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- elimisteve [~elimistev@pool-71-102-138-52.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- boscop [~boscop@g230098149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- Guest93816 [~silas@cpe-107-10-143-104.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- Guest93816 [~silas@cpe-107-10-143-104.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- lmoura_ [~lauromour@187.113.105.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19 -!- mosva [~mosva@122.172.124.197] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 14:19 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- mosva [~mosva@122.172.124.197] has quit [Changing host] 14:19 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- lmoura_ [~lauromour@187.113.105.211] has joined #go-nuts 14:20 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has joined #go-nuts 14:20 < wrtp> surma: the instances of what? 14:22 < surma> wrtp: Okay, let me start over. I have a reflect.Type of some method parameter. I create a new instance using reflect.MakeZero() and get it as an interface using reflect.Value.Interface(). Now I want to unmarshall into that interface, which does not work because json.Unmarshal() needs a pointer. How do I get ahold of that pointer? 14:22 < wrtp> you can't 14:23 < wrtp> because you can't create a *T given type T. 14:23 < wrtp> if you make your method parameter be a pointer, then you can do it 14:23 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@116.26.128.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23 < surma> But why is that? That shouldn't be too hard to implement in reflect or unsafe, or is it? 14:24 < wrtp> currently the set of types is fixed by the compiler 14:24 < wrtp> so there's a static table in the executable of all runtime types. 14:24 < wrtp> to change things would mean moving to a dynamic table, which is quite a big change, and has quite a few implications 14:25 < surma> Oh, I see :-/ 14:25 < wrtp> it also might slow things down 14:25 < surma> damn, that would've been some awesome RPC lib 14:25 < wrtp> as looking up a type might incur a locking penalty 14:27 -!- GilJ [~gilles@zeus.ugent.be] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:31 -!- gilles_ [~gilles@zeus.ugent.be] has joined #go-nuts 14:31 -!- iant [~iant@216.239.45.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:32 < surma> wrtp: okay, so I can live with the pointer-parameters. But know json complains that the interface{} just holds a nil-pointer to an *int. Can I allocate *T using reflect? 14:32 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has joined #go-nuts 14:33 -!- imsplitbit [~imsplitbi@64.39.4.132] has joined #go-nuts 14:33 -!- welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:34 -!- imsplitbit [~imsplitbi@64.39.4.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34 -!- imsplitbit [~imsplitbi@64.39.4.132] has joined #go-nuts 14:36 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 14:36 -!- KBme [~KBme@9angled-2-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:36 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 14:36 < surma> wrtp: Nevermind, figured it out - without using unsafe :D Thanks for your explanation, though :) 14:37 -!- KBme [~KBme@9angled-2-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:37 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:38 -!- arun [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39 -!- arun [~arun@2001:610:110:4e2:280:5aff:fe69:e130] has joined #go-nuts 14:39 -!- arun [~arun@2001:610:110:4e2:280:5aff:fe69:e130] has quit [Changing host] 14:39 -!- arun [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has joined #go-nuts 14:39 < wrtp> surma: np 14:39 -!- Natch| [~natch@c-2bcfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 14:44 -!- jumzi [~jumzi@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:46 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.105.75] has joined #go-nuts 14:46 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 14:50 -!- bXi [bluepunk@irssi.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 14:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #go-nuts 14:54 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.162] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:55 -!- jackzh_ [~jackzh@222.241.126.24] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:55 -!- surma [~surma@wlan-020-076.zib.de] has quit [Quit: surma] 15:01 -!- artefon [~thiago@187.59.185.187] has joined #go-nuts 15:04 -!- devrim [~Adium@cpe-72-225-239-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:10 -!- mikejs [~mike@ec2-174-129-238-128.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:15 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 15:18 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@c-eacae555.08-2-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 15:26 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 15:31 -!- sacho [~sacho@90.154.201.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.162] has joined #go-nuts 15:36 -!- jae [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:36 -!- eiken [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:39 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-37-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 15:52 < kimelto> I so miss defer when Im coding in C :/ 15:52 < MaybeSo> ha, yeah 15:53 < skelterjohn> i just don't code in C anymore 15:53 < aiju> i so miss *x++ when coding Go 15:53 < aiju> well, sometimes 15:54 < skelterjohn> does that get you *(x++) or (*x)++? 15:54 < aiju> the former 15:54 < aiju> nice for traversing an array 15:54 < aiju> but i miss all K operators when coding non-K :D 15:54 < skelterjohn> i suggest range :) 15:54 < aiju> skelterjohn: yeah, but still awkward 15:55 < aiju> array[k] = v+1 15:55 < aiju> http://aiju.phicode.de/code/k/tictactoe :D 15:55 < skelterjohn> i'm not connecting what you just wrote to what you've said already 15:55 < skelterjohn> oy 15:55 < skelterjohn> how can you be happy with code when it looks like that? 15:56 < aiju> no, it's still too readable 15:58 < skelterjohn> i don't understand the appeal of k 15:58 < aiju> it's concise 15:59 < aiju> i tried writing the same program in Go, over 200 lines (and it works worse somehow) 15:59 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75.92.43.21] has joined #go-nuts 15:59 < skelterjohn> concise is not always good 16:00 < skelterjohn> for example, that tic-tac-toe code 16:00 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:04 < aiju> it's fun to program in it anyway 16:04 < aiju> larger programs probably end up as a horrible mess 16:05 < wrtp> i like static typing... 16:05 < aiju> me too 16:06 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-200-109-44.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 16:09 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10 < aiju> weird things happen if i try to use print with my custom runtime o.O 16:11 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.105.75] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:12 < wrtp> aiju: why are you using print? 16:12 < aiju> hm let me think 16:12 < aiju> to print shit on screen? 16:12 < wrtp> use fmt.Print or log.Print instead 16:12 < aiju> fmt.* would probably kill my bootloader lol 16:13 < aiju> fmt will lead to 1 MB binaries … 16:13 < wrtp> you're running on bare hardware? 16:13 < aiju> idk whether fmt works either 16:13 < aiju> yeah 16:13 < wrtp> cool 16:13 < aiju> gofy 16:13 < wrtp> ok fair enough 16:13 < wrtp> gofy? 16:13 < aiju> gofy.cat-v.org code.google.com/p/gofy 16:13 < TheSeeker> upx compresses go generated exes pretty well. 16:14 < exch> fmt imports the unicode package, which is rather sizable. Hence it's impact on binary size 16:14 < taruti> why does fmt need unicode? 16:14 < exch> If you dont need/want unicode support, you can prolly fork fmt, yank out the unicode support and just go with basic stuff 16:15 < aiju> taruti: to justify bigger hard disks for Google's servers 16:15 < wrtp> aiju: um, nice name 16:15 < exch> taruti: presumably for Scan() and friends. it needs to index unicode runes properly 16:15 < aiju> how about runtime·stringiter? 16:16 < taruti> and the linker is not smart enough to drop it then 16:16 < aiju> oddly enough i can't find where print is defined 16:16 < exch> why would it? The linker can't tell if you app will ever receive unicode input to Scan() 16:16 < exch> *your 16:17 < wrtp> exch: yeah, but it can tell if you don't call Scan 16:17 < taruti> exch: fmt.Printf != fmt.Scan, most apps do not call Scan at all 16:17 < exch> true 16:17 -!- boredomist [~boredomis@24.115.43.39.res-cmts.sesp.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:17 -!- sauerbraten [~sauerbrat@p508CE4EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:17 < aiju> software always expands until memory is filled 16:18 < TheSeeker> see, eg, IBM's Watson :) 16:18 < wrtp> i think a lot of the size of the go binaries comes from the reflection stuff 16:18 -!- mattn_jp [~mattn@112-68-85-238f1.hyg1.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 16:18 -!- eiken [~jae@ivanova.zhar.net] has quit [Quit: End of line.] 16:18 < wrtp> all the runtime types are there. 16:26 -!- foocraft [~dsc@89.211.188.118] has joined #go-nuts 16:26 < aiju> Go has a maximum string length? 16:28 < taruti> yes 16:28 < exch> I know that an array or slice can not exceed 1<<31-1 in length. Not sure of that goes for strings to though 16:28 < taruti> they have a fixed size length field 16:29 < TheSeeker> that's a pretty large string... 16:29 < exch> ya 16:29 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED42E59.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:31 < quantumelixir> that's about 8 billion bytes in size 16:32 < aiju> quantumelixir: how so? 16:32 < aiju> strings in Go are UTF-8 16:32 < quantumelixir> if one character is 4 bytes (as is the case in UTF-8?) 16:32 < aiju> no 16:32 < quantumelixir> oh fuck 16:32 < quantumelixir> sorry 16:32 < aiju> http://aiju.phicode.de/misc/unicode 16:32 < aiju> oops, should be "encoding" not charsets 16:32 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:33 < quantumelixir> 4 bytes per char so? 16:33 < quantumelixir> worst case 16:33 < aiju> yeah, very unlikely 16:33 < aiju> average is a bit over one in most languages 16:33 < quantumelixir> but it has to accomodate this 16:34 < quantumelixir> fine.. even with 1 byte and 1<<10 ~ 1000 we get 1<<31 ~ 10^9 16:34 < quantumelixir> which is just 1GB 16:34 < quantumelixir> sorry 2GB 16:34 < quantumelixir> 1<<31 ~ 2*10^9 16:35 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053011014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:35 < quantumelixir> which means, what I said earlier wasn't wrong :) 8GB worst case 16:38 -!- tvw [~tv@e176006041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:38 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053011014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:39 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has joined #go-nuts 16:39 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053011014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:40 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 16:41 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.162] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:45 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:47 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:48 -!- tvw [~tv@e176006041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-37-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51 -!- xash [~xash@d026182.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:51 -!- ukai_ [~ukai@nat/google/x-qdbxqqazkpbllgvq] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53 < mosva> <-sem will retrieve the last entered value from the buffered channel? 16:54 < aiju> no, it will activate Go's self destruction mechanism 16:54 < mosva> oh shit 16:55 < wrtp> mosva: it will retrieve the earliest value sent on the buffered channel that hasn't already been read 16:56 < mosva> so LIFO? 16:56 < skelterjohn> it's a queue, yeah 16:56 < mosva> so FIFO 16:56 < mosva> Thanks wrtp 16:56 < skelterjohn> keep in mind - if more messages are trying to be sent than there are spots in the buffer 16:57 < skelterjohn> then those messages can arrive in any order 16:58 < wrtp> LIFO 16:58 < skelterjohn> no... 16:58 < wrtp> sorry, what am i thinking?! 16:59 < wrtp> FIFO 16:59 < wrtp> just like a pipe 16:59 < aiju> shouldn't channels block if they're full? 17:00 -!- artefon [~thiago@187.59.185.187] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:00 < skelterjohn> if the buffer is full, it blocks 17:00 < skelterjohn> yeah 17:00 < wrtp> just like pipes :-) 17:01 < mpl> and teh internet. 17:03 < mosva> Is there a threading library? or just go routines 17:04 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:04 < TheSeeker> yes, and yes 17:04 < skelterjohn> what is their beyond goroutines? 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When the same content is saved to a file first and then loaded, it works fine. Wondering where I should start looking for the error 18:33 < exch> s/wen/web/ 18:34 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has joined #go-nuts 18:34 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 18:34 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-167-116.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:35 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:36 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:37 -!- KirkMcDonald [~Kirk@24.143.227.33] has quit [Changing host] 18:37 -!- KirkMcDonald [~Kirk@python/site-packages/KirkMcDonald] has joined #go-nuts 18:40 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has left #go-nuts [] 18:43 < aiju> exch: \xa9 *is* invalid utf8 18:43 -!- photron [~photron@port-92-201-8-162.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:44 < exch> It seems to be in common use throughout the web.At least in places where people don't bother to use © instead 18:45 < exch> If it is invalid utf8, I'm wondering how I can make Go accept it anyways. Preferably without having to traverse the whole chunk of byte data and manually replace each instance 18:45 < aiju> it's latin1 18:46 < exch> ah wait. the doc is marked with encoding 'ISO-8859-1'' 18:46 < exch> I'll see if there are some encoding conversion packages around 18:47 -!- nettok [~quassel@200.119.172.33] has joined #go-nuts 18:48 < KirkMcDonald> An equivalent to Python's encode and decode string methods would be a thing. 18:49 < aiju> no, it would not 18:49 < KirkMcDonald> No? 18:49 < aiju> python unicode treatment is a mess 18:49 < KirkMcDonald> How so? 18:50 < aiju> i have to encode and decode all the time 18:50 -!- sifi [~silas@cpe-107-10-143-104.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:50 -!- sifi [~silas@unaffiliated/sifi] has joined #go-nuts 18:50 < KirkMcDonald> Nothing stops you from using byte-strings everywhere in Python. 18:50 < KirkMcDonald> You just have to be consistent about it. 18:51 < KirkMcDonald> Well, I guess certain libraries insist on Unicode strings. 18:51 < aiju> there is only one sane way to treat strings 18:51 < aiju> force UTF-8 all over the place. 18:51 < jumzi> No! 18:51 < jumzi> You didn't wait for my drumroll 18:52 < KirkMcDonald> aiju: In truth that is frequently how I end up writing Python. 18:52 < quantumelixir> If I have a bunch of numbers in a string (too large to specify format strings with sprintf say) then which package/method should I use to read the data into an array? 18:52 < KirkMcDonald> On the other hand, Python 3 changes matters somewhat. 18:53 < KirkMcDonald> quantumelixir: strings.Split() the string, then a loop. 18:53 < quantumelixir> With strings being immutable, will this create lots of strings in the process? 18:54 < quantumelixir> I mean memory allocation/freeing overhead? 18:54 < quantumelixir> s/?// 18:54 < aiju> idk how expensive memory allocation overhead in Go actually is 18:54 < KirkMcDonald> I'm not certain, actually. My hope would be for the returned strings to be slices out of the original string, but I don't know how Go does it. 18:55 < quantumelixir> hmm.. let me check 18:55 < exch> strings are immutable. they'll always be copies. I think yuo're far better off splitting the data as a byte slice. That way yuo always get slices into the original data 18:56 < aiju> why are strings immutable after all? 18:56 < KirkMcDonald> Wouldn't strings being immutable be an argument in favor of slicing into the original? 18:56 < exch> bytes.Split() will do the same as strings.Split(), but without copies 18:56 < exch> KirkMcDonald: now that I think of it, perhaps you're right 18:57 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, no, because slices are mutable. 18:57 < KirkMcDonald> I don't literally mean a slice in the Go sense. 18:57 < KirkMcDonald> I mean having one "string" value which refers to the same data as another "string" value. 18:57 < quantumelixir> exch: Oh. Interesting.. 18:57 < aiju> "they share data" 18:58 < temoto> Yeah, slicing string into slice-strings would be great. 18:58 < aiju> just look at the implementation 18:58 < exch> well that settles that then 18:58 < quantumelixir> KirkMcDonald: Python does exactly what you say. At least for small strings.. 18:58 < KirkMcDonald> quantumelixir: Are you talking about Python's string interning? Because that is something else. 18:58 < quantumelixir> In the implementation of string.Split it creates a new slice 18:59 < quantumelixir> by which I mean new underlying array as well 19:00 < temoto> I think 'immutable slices' would solve this more easily than changes to string operations. 19:00 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 19:00 < quantumelixir> http://golang.org/src/pkg/strings/strings.go?s=4254:4295#L188 Line 165 genSplit(..) 19:01 < quantumelixir> L177 a := make([]string, n) 19:01 < KirkMcDonald> quantumelixir: That is the slice which the result is returned in. 19:02 < quantumelixir> I don't understand why the Split method does not make use of the immutability of strings to reduce further memory allocations 19:02 < KirkMcDonald> It has nothing to do with whether the underlying string data is shared with the original string. 19:02 -!- dforsyth_ [~dforsyth@bastion.inap.yelpcorp.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:02 < quantumelixir> Oh 19:02 < KirkMcDonald> Whether it does that depends on the implementation of s[x:y] 19:02 < temoto> quantumelixir, because there's not way to make a string share same memory as other string. 19:02 < quantumelixir> So this is just the creation of the slice 19:02 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.23.127.179] has joined #go-nuts 19:03 < quantumelixir> temoto: why not 19:03 < temoto> or is there? 19:03 < aiju> quantumelixir: it's probably "nobody has done it" 19:03 < temoto> i mean in practical terms: right now 19:03 < temoto> Of course it's totally possible. 19:03 < aiju> whether this is a serious improvement is another question 19:03 < quantumelixir> If strings are guaranteed to be immutable and we go split "hello world" into two parts it seems logical for the two resulting slices to have pointers in the original string itself 19:04 < KirkMcDonald> Right. 19:04 < temoto> Yeah it seems logical. 19:04 < quantumelixir> what harm could it cause 19:04 < aiju> haha 19:04 < aiju> famous last words 19:04 < KirkMcDonald> D does it precisely this way/ 19:04 < |Craig|> strings in go are length prefixed arn't they, so you can't get a substring without copying unless they use length then pointer into string, in which case it would work fine 19:04 < aiju> |Craig|: they are not length prefixed 19:05 < quantumelixir> what do you mean by being length prefixed 19:05 < aiju> they are length, pointer to data pairs 19:05 < quantumelixir> struct? 19:05 < aiju> internally yes 19:05 < |Craig|> aiju: then sub strings should not copy 19:05 < KirkMcDonald> Of course, strings in D are just dynamic arrays of type char, which is very roughly equivalent to a Go []uint8. 19:05 < KirkMcDonald> Except the char type has certain unique properties. 19:06 < KirkMcDonald> (A D char is defined to hold UTF-8 code units.) 19:06 < aiju> you mean unicode codepoint? 19:06 < quantumelixir> aiju: _pairs_?! You mean strings don't terminate with a null pointer? Does this have something to do with UTF-8 ness? 19:06 < temoto> UTF-8 or Unicode? 19:06 < KirkMcDonald> aiju: No. I mean UTF-8 code units. 19:06 < aiju> quantumelixir: no 19:06 < aiju> KirkMcDonald: what's a "UTF-8 code unit"? 19:06 < aiju> quantumelixir: no to the last two questions 19:06 < KirkMcDonald> aiju: Each byte in a UTF-8 string is a code unit. 19:06 < aiju> KirkMcDonald: then just call it ... BYTE 19:06 < quantumelixir> aiju: oh interesting 19:06 < KirkMcDonald> aiju: Just how each byte-pair in a UTF-16 string is a code unit. 19:07 < quantumelixir> aiju: But that still doesn't mean you can have slices sharing data 19:07 < KirkMcDonald> aiju: The term code unit has certain connotations. 19:07 < temoto> Yeah why not just byte. 19:07 < quantumelixir> *string slices 19:07 < KirkMcDonald> aiju: Specifically, not all bytes are valid code units. 19:07 < aiju> oic 19:07 < KirkMcDonald> 0xff is not a valid code unit, for example. 19:07 < aiju> but UTF-8 is context dependent 19:09 < KirkMcDonald> And it is for that reason that the default initializer for the char type in D is 0xff. 19:09 < aiju> ugh 19:09 < KirkMcDonald> It's actually somewhat useful. 19:10 < KirkMcDonald> It means that if you have an uninitialized char, it will always, always be invalid. 19:10 < temoto> How does it even make sense to initialize a variable with invalid value? 19:10 < temoto> like var x string = 10 19:11 < temoto> or var x uint = -1 19:11 < KirkMcDonald> temoto: Invalid, but which still fits in the variable. 19:11 < aiju> i like the Go way of initialization 19:11 < aiju> zero. always. 19:11 < temoto> Me too. 19:11 < quantumelixir> me too! 19:12 < KirkMcDonald> D uses zero for most things. 19:12 < KirkMcDonald> There is no value for a uint which is invalid, for example. 19:12 -!- artefon [~thiago@dhcp16.usuarios.dcc.ufmg.br] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:12 < KirkMcDonald> But for floats it uses NaN, and char it uses 0xff. 19:12 < temoto> -1 is valid for uint? 19:12 < quantumelixir> no 19:12 < aiju> i hate that you can't initialize uints with -1 in Go 19:12 < quantumelixir> its the largest positive integer 19:12 < quantumelixir> in C 19:13 < aiju> eh *cast -1 to uint 19:13 < KirkMcDonald> temoto: There is no pattern of bits which is invalid in a uint. 19:13 < quantumelixir> *representable 19:13 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, bits are irrelevant when we start talking about any type system. 19:13 < quantumelixir> temoto: funny 2s complement representation 19:13 < KirkMcDonald> temoto: Ehh. 19:14 < aiju> temoto: computers are irrelevant 19:14 < KirkMcDonald> temoto: D inherits the notion from C that a type represents a chunk of memory. 19:14 < KirkMcDonald> More or less. 19:14 < KirkMcDonald> It's stronger about that notion, if anything, since D's types all have a defined size. 19:14 < temoto> okay, so it's C one-type type system 19:15 < aiju> it's the computer one-type type system 19:15 < temoto> C has two types: int and struct. 19:15 < KirkMcDonald> And union? 19:15 < temoto> well i guess yeah 19:15 < aiju> temoto: and pointers 19:15 < KirkMcDonald> Pointers are ints. 19:15 < KirkMcDonald> Sort of. 19:15 < jumzi> Not on x86_64! 19:15 < KirkMcDonald> Point. 19:15 < jumzi> belive me i know *cry* 19:15 < aiju> it's the one true type system 19:33 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-wdatznihiyrzhinn] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:37 -!- tvw [~tv@e176006041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:38 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@adsl-99-37-224-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:39 -!- MX80 [~MX80@cust222.253.117.74.dsl.g3telecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43 -!- acetoline [~acetoline@125-237-12-196.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #go-nuts 19:44 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053011014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:51 -!- artefon [~thiago@187.59.185.187] has joined #go-nuts 19:59 -!- thiago__ [~thiago@189.59.202.115] has joined #go-nuts 20:01 -!- artefon [~thiago@187.59.185.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has joined #go-nuts 20:03 -!- nekschot [nekschot@82-170-165-101.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #go-nuts 20:04 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-37-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:04 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-37-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:09 -!- MX80 [~MX80@cust222.253.117.74.dsl.g3telecom.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:11 < exch> meh. I can wrap libiconv for the encoding conversions, but that will break the goinstall functionality for my xmlx package. And add an external dependency I'm not very happy with 20:11 < exch> Anyone bored and want to implement libiconv in pure Go? :p 20:11 < aiju> you have to be REALLY bored for that 20:12 < exch> yea, exactly 20:12 -!- gits [~gits@77.94.219.158] has joined #go-nuts 20:18 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 20:20 < quantumelixir> why doesn't strings.Split take multiple separators? 20:20 < quantumelixir> or more usefully, what do I do to achieve that effect 20:21 < quantumelixir> There's a strings.Index and a strings.IndexAny but only strings.Split 20:26 -!- cane9 [~john@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:26 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:8586:9f55:196e:857d] has joined #go-nuts 20:26 < thiago__> exch: why do you need iconv? 20:27 < aiju> world domination 20:27 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-37-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27 < artefon> quantumelixir: i used regexp and ReplaceAllString 20:28 < exch> artefon: to ensure that proper utf-9 encoded data is passed to Go's XML tokenizer 20:28 < exch> *utf-8 20:28 < exch> It fails rather painfuly when latin1 text is given to it 20:28 < artefon> exch: oo i get it 20:30 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-69-181-223-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:30 < quantumelixir> artefon: If I perform a Find on the returned regexp object can I be sure that the memory is shared between the returned slice and the input string? 20:32 < artefon> quantumelixir: the slice returned is a new slice 20:32 < aiju> quantumelixir: why do you care about this anyway? 20:33 < quantumelixir> in the interest of knowing better 20:33 < quantumelixir> came across this today and I thought I might as well know the behaviour correctly 20:33 < artefon> quantumelixir: if you want something more sofisticated/efficient you cant tokenize the string, reading it char by char and appending to a buffer 20:34 < artefon> quantumelixir: i am working with the same problem 20:34 < artefon> quantumelixir: i needed to write a lexer 20:34 < artefon> quantumelixir: i am currently looking at this http://golang.org/pkg/scanner/ 20:34 < quantumelixir> oh then this must be really really important for you 20:35 < artefon> but the ideal for me is something like Flex 20:36 < quantumelixir> I was seeing some OCaml code today and it looks like it's amazingly well suited for parsing 20:36 < quantumelixir> I don't know a word of OCaml though 20:37 < quantumelixir> But the code looked really beautiful, to the extent that I could understand 20:37 < quantumelixir> pattern matching all over the place 20:37 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:38 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-69-181-219-75.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:41 -!- boredomist [~boredomis@24.115.43.39.res-cmts.sesp.ptd.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43 < artefon> quantumelixir: I'll take a look... I really enjoy haskell though 20:44 -!- _DerHorst_ [~Horst@e176097132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44 < artefon> quantumelixir: i always see comparisons betweet ocaml functional programming and haskell 20:49 -!- kixo [~kixo@78-1-155-129.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #go-nuts 20:52 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-254-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:59 < quantumelixir> artefon: I think this clears a lot of things up: http://blog.golang.org/2011/01/go-slices-usage-and-internals.html 20:59 < quantumelixir> See the section on `A possible "gotcha"' 21:00 -!- saschpe [~quassel@opensuse/member/saschpe] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02 < bXi> evening 21:02 < bXi> i'm trying to build a bit of code using some mysql lib 21:02 < bXi> but i was wondering how i should import it 21:04 < bXi> import ( "./path/to/file" ) doesnt seem to work 21:06 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-254-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 21:06 < artefon> quantumelixir: the go implementation: http://golang.org/src/pkg/regexp/regexp.go?s=27624:27663#L1075 21:07 < artefon> quantumelixir: it returns a re-slice 21:07 < artefon> quantumelixir: so the whole memory is still occupied 21:08 < artefon> quantumelixir: it seems like 21:11 < quantumelixir> hmm.. 21:15 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:16 -!- zozoR [~zozoR@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Morten. Desu~] 21:16 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 21:26 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-69-181-219-75.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:26 -!- vsmatck [~smack@64-142-40-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:28 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-22-224.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:29 -!- vsmatck [~smack@64-142-40-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:30 < uriel> bXi: if you installed with goinstall, you should import with its path 21:30 < uriel> really, import works the same for everything 21:32 < bXi> yeah i just got how it works 21:33 < bXi> i just thought i could have a library in a certain place and let it stay there and compile it with my program 21:35 < bXi> (i'm very new at this go thing) 21:35 < aiju> "this go thing" 21:37 < bXi> yeah i find the name a bit odd 21:37 < bXi> frustrates googleing a bit 21:37 < aiju> try golang 21:38 < bXi> aah nice 21:38 < aiju> most stuff is either on golang.org or on that cat-v.org anyway 21:39 < aiju> golang.cat-v.org 21:39 < nsf> it's go-lang.cat-v.org 21:39 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@204.14.152.118] has joined #go-nuts 21:41 < bXi> i do like it so far tho 21:42 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-254-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:46 < uriel> golang.cat-v.org works too 21:46 < uriel> anyway, for searching, try http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-search 21:46 < aiju> but it lacks a link to gofy.cat-v.org! 21:47 < uriel> heh 21:47 < uriel> shhhhh... that is still secret ;P 21:50 -!- jkakar [~jkakar@193.153.244.102] has joined #go-nuts 21:52 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-qexynjgjefoqtncl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 21:58 < aiju> gofmt arranges consts in an ugly way … 21:59 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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