--- Log opened Wed Feb 16 00:00:22 2011 --- Day changed Wed Feb 16 2011 00:00 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-vetmkfbqehxifjev] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:07 -!- Eko [~eko@c-24-5-127-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12 -!- maattd [~maattd@esc31-1-78-245-92-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:13 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.102.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:13 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-vdwbhhlxubjcnctc] has joined #go-nuts 00:13 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 00:18 -!- Eko [~eko@c-67-188-2-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:21 -!- gastal [~gastal@186.214.49.186] has joined #go-nuts 00:21 -!- gits [~gits@77.94.219.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21 < gastal> Is there a easier to convert a []uint8 to a string than bytes.NewBufer(arr).String()? 00:22 -!- aconran_ [~aconran-o@adsl-67-119-205-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:22 < KirkMcDonald> gastal: string(foo) 00:22 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.121.208] has joined #go-nuts 00:23 < gastal> KirkMcDonald: thank you, I knew I was missing something obvious, =) 00:25 -!- aconran [~aconran-o@adsl-67-119-205-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:25 -!- LittleQNCCU [~littleq@dream.cs.nccu.edu.tw] has joined #go-nuts 00:28 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-vdwbhhlxubjcnctc] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176125163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 00:29 -!- dropdriv1 [~dropdrive@cpe-72-227-159-70.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:31 -!- LittleQNCCU [~littleq@dream.cs.nccu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:33 -!- kixo [~rbebic@93-138-57-85.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #go-nuts 00:35 -!- dropdrive [~dropdrive@cpe-72-227-159-70.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:35 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.104.194] has joined #go-nuts 00:35 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 00:37 -!- _DerHorst_ [~Horst@e176106245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 00:37 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176125163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38 -!- LittleQNCCU [~littleq@dream.cs.nccu.edu.tw] has joined #go-nuts 00:43 -!- LittleQNCCU [~littleq@dream.cs.nccu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/NkbFWU by [Nigel Tao] in 4 subdirs of go/src/pkg/compress/ -- compress: move zlib/testdata to testdata so it can be shared by all 00:50 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:50 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #go-nuts 00:51 -!- LittleQNCCU [~littleq@dream.cs.nccu.edu.tw] has joined #go-nuts 00:53 -!- JusticeFries [~JusticeFr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:56 < skelterjohn> anyone out there doing any cgo projects? 00:59 -!- boscop [~boscop@f055014180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:15 -!- saturnfive [~saturnfiv@210.74.155.131] has joined #go-nuts 01:20 -!- tvw [~tv@e176005254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@123.89.109.231] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:36 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.121.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 01:38 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.107.196] has joined #go-nuts 01:51 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.104.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:55 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: Hey there 01:55 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: Which note? 01:55 * niemeyer checks 01:55 < skelterjohn> about goinstall 01:56 < skelterjohn> "CGO_CFLAGS and CGO_LDFLAGS" in the thread title 01:58 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: Yeah, I think the overall idea sounds sane.. we just have to figure the details 01:58 < skelterjohn> it's what i've done for gb 01:59 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: What's not so great is that we have to *exclude* files, but that means knowing in advance all possible architectures 02:00 < skelterjohn> i see what you mean 02:00 < skelterjohn> / #cgo arch=something_no_one_knows 02:00 < skelterjohn> ? 02:00 < skelterjohn> should be two slashes at the beginning 02:02 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: It doesn't really solve that specific problem.. we know what the arch is, we just don't know all other possible architectures, including future ones 02:03 < skelterjohn> right, and if you see // #cgo arch:weird 02:03 < niemeyer> We can take a non-conservative approach and simply say that foo_<arch>.go is taken, even for future cases 02:03 < skelterjohn> and you aren't on arch weird, you know to exclude 02:03 < skelterjohn> i might not be getting what you're saying 02:04 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: Hmm, maybe.. or maybe just do the more obvious and take over the foo_<arch>.go namespace 02:04 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: Let me do a strawman proposal and see what happens 02:15 -!- grncdr [~stephen@sdo.csc.UVic.CA] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16 -!- grncdr [~stephen@sdo.csc.UVic.CA] has joined #go-nuts 02:23 -!- k3nt [~k3nt@66-169-234-69.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26 -!- vice_virtue [~vice@220-253-8-40.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 02:27 < skelterjohn> niemeyer: did you update the #cgo directives to do "// #cgo arch LDFLAGS: w/e"? I wrote that after seeing your last email saying you'd think about doing it 02:27 < skelterjohn> and I'm not good at searching that group 02:29 -!- gastal [~gastal@186.214.49.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189-10-154-99.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:32 -!- fenicks [~fenicks@log77-3-82-243-254-112.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34 -!- nettok [~quassel@200.119.184.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:34 -!- dchest [~dchest@95.155.52.241] has quit [Quit: dchest] 02:38 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57 < skelterjohn> having a kind of weird error, on os x 02:57 < skelterjohn> I run a command line: gcc -m64 -g -fPIC -O2 -o _cgo1_.o _cgo_main.o gl.cgo2.o gl_darwin.cgo2.o _cgo_export.o -framework OpenGL 02:57 < skelterjohn> and if i run it from a shell, it succeeds 02:57 < skelterjohn> if i run it by invoking exec.Run, I get link errors 02:58 < skelterjohn> maybe an important part of the env isn't getting through? 03:03 < skelterjohn> no, env is identical 03:16 -!- _DerHorst_ [~Horst@e176106245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20 -!- nsfx [~nsfx@96.225.70.167] has joined #go-nuts 03:36 -!- anticw [~anticw@c-67-169-68-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 -!- anticw [~anticw@c-67-169-68-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:59 -!- phalax_ [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has joined #go-nuts 04:16 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:20 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:29 -!- itrekkie_ [~itrekkie@ip72-211-129-122.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:34 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-211-129-122.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:35 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:47 -!- phalax_ [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:49 -!- kanru1 [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 04:50 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:54 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:59 -!- keithcascio_ [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-dfbogjvvvpxyicjc] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:01 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 05:01 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:05 -!- kixo_ [~rbebic@93-138-124-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #go-nuts 05:08 -!- kixo [~rbebic@93-138-57-85.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:09 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 05:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/EVHko8 by [Yasuhiro Matsumoto] in go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: fix inverse checking of result code on windows. 05:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gfCuLd by [Alex Brainman] in go/src/cmd/ld/ -- 8l,6l: allow for more os threads to be created on Windows 05:21 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 05:23 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:28 -!- hcl2 [~akuma@75.41.110.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:34 < plexdev> http://is.gd/QStNEu by [Yasuhiro Matsumoto] in go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: implement chmod() for win32. 05:35 -!- nettok_ [~quassel@200.119.185.100] has joined #go-nuts 05:35 -!- nettok_ [~quassel@200.119.185.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35 -!- nettok_ [~quassel@200.119.185.100] has joined #go-nuts 05:36 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-211-129-122.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 05:41 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:43 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 05:46 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:46 < vice_virtue> I would file a bug for that EncryptOAEP thing, but the expected behaviour isn't documented (at least not in the go docs) 05:47 < vice_virtue> Maybe I should read up on OAEP first 05:49 -!- adu_ [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:49 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@78.112.41.178] has joined #go-nuts 05:49 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@78.112.41.178] has quit [Changing host] 05:49 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@base/student/cenuij] has joined #go-nuts 05:53 -!- adu_ [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:00 -!- Natch| [~natch@c-6dcde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 06:06 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@ip72-211-129-122.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:10 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #go-nuts 06:13 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:16 -!- fhs [~fhs@pool-74-101-66-112.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:17 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:17 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:40 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:40 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 06:50 -!- jumzi [~none@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #go-nuts 06:53 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 06:54 -!- kixo_ [~rbebic@93-138-124-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:59 -!- kosiini [~janne@pdpc/supporter/student/kosiini] has joined #go-nuts 07:03 * vice_virtue submitted his second issue to the go tracker :) 07:04 < Xenith> How can I take a int value and make a string representation of that value? 07:05 < vice_virtue> You could use fmt.Sprint 07:06 < vice_virtue> (Xenith) 07:07 < Xenith> Thanks. Tonight is not my night for the simple stuff. 07:07 < vice_virtue> No worries 07:18 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoy@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22 -!- boscop [~boscop@g226248100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 07:27 -!- vice_virtue [~vice@220-253-8-40.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:46 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has joined #go-nuts 07:46 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 07:50 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:52 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:52 -!- ToggafAeruoy [46b3bb15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.187.21] has joined #go-nuts 07:53 < ToggafAeruoy> can anyone k-line? 07:53 < ToggafAeruoy> I'm looking to get a k-line but nobody is doing it. 07:53 < ToggafAeruoy> I'm asking you to put me in a coffin with a fleshlight and other sex toys, and bury me while I still live. 07:54 < ToggafAeruoy> fine, here, i'll force your hand. 07:54 < ToggafAeruoy> @adg +iant Aco- aconran_ Adys aiju ampleyfly AndyP anticw ap3xo araujo Archwyrm arun_ arun__ ath bartbes Belg Boney_ bortzmeyer boscop brett Broady bXi_ cbeck cco3-hampster1 cde cdsgf_ cenuij chaos95 chressie clip9 creack cw d_m dario_ Darxus Davidian1024 davisp davvid dforsyth djcapelis dRbiG drhodes dropdrive drry eikenberry Eko Electro^ elimisteve enferex exch fabled felipe fhs Fish fluffle frobnitz fzzbt GilJ gju gmillerami 07:54 < ToggafAeruoy> now where's the fucking k-line? 07:55 < elimisteve> yo 07:55 < boscop> wtf 07:55 -!- ToggafAeruoy [46b3bb15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.187.21] has left #go-nuts [] 07:55 -!- ToggafAeruoy [46b3bb15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.187.21] has joined #go-nuts 07:56 < ToggafAeruoy> whoops, closed by mistake 07:56 < ToggafAeruoy> what'd you tell me? i didn't see it. 07:57 -!- ToggafAeruoy [46b3bb15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.179.187.21] has left #go-nuts [] 07:58 -!- nsfx [~nsfx@96.225.70.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:04 -!- nsfx [~nsfx@pool-96-225-70-167.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:16 -!- nettok_ [~quassel@200.119.185.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.93.139] has joined #go-nuts 08:26 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:26 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has left #go-nuts [] 08:37 -!- petrux_ [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 08:39 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:41 -!- tvw [~tv@e176005159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:42 -!- jdp [~jdp@ool-435238c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:48 -!- visof [~visof@41.233.122.138] has joined #go-nuts 08:48 -!- visof [~visof@41.233.122.138] has quit [Changing host] 08:48 -!- visof [~visof@unaffiliated/visof] has joined #go-nuts 08:49 -!- stalled [~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled] has joined #go-nuts 08:54 -!- Eko [~eko@c-67-188-2-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58 -!- songyunhui2008 [~songyunhu@d216-232-162-210.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:00 -!- songyunhui2008 [~songyunhu@d216-232-162-210.bchsia.telus.net] has left #go-nuts [] 09:00 -!- Eko [~eko@c-24-5-127-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:10 -!- ExtraSpice [XtraSpice@78-62-101-194.static.zebra.lt] has joined #go-nuts 09:10 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 09:30 -!- n___ [~alouca@5ad54238.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: n___] 09:37 -!- petrux_ [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:23 -!- saturnfive [~saturnfiv@210.74.155.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23 -!- artefon [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has joined #go-nuts 10:25 -!- cenuij [~cenuij@base/student/cenuij] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32 < aiju> ToggafAeruoy: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 10:35 < aiju> ToggafAeruoy: just go to #freenode and spam it 10:36 -!- tvw [~tv@e176005159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37 < visof> will Go replace C in the future ? 10:37 < Namegduf> It could do so in many applications. 10:39 < visof> So we can't totally replace C with another language like Go 10:39 < visof> are the people lazy to reimplement OS in another languages or that is impossible ? 10:39 < Namegduf> It's possible. 10:40 < visof> so what is the problem ? 10:40 < visof> can we write kernel by Go ? 10:40 < aiju> writing an OS in Go is currently not really possible 10:40 < aiju> it's possible in theorry 10:40 < Namegduf> Reimplementing an OS takes a lot of time for not much gain when you already have an OS that works. 10:40 < aiju> but the compilers change too fast and it breaks too often 10:41 < Namegduf> That's more "is difficult" than "is not possible" 10:41 < aiju> well yeah 10:41 < visof> so C won't die for about 20 years ? 10:41 < aiju> you still can't write the whole kernel in Go 10:41 < Namegduf> Likely. 10:42 < Namegduf> Go's massive advantages come at some usually minor costs. I would expect there to be certain scenarios where those costs mean it's better to forego the advantages, and use C. 10:43 < Namegduf> Of course, you could remove the concurrency and GC and make a Go-- which is closer to C performance but with packages and nicer syntax and more safety 10:43 < Namegduf> And you can disable things like bounds checking when compiling *now*. 10:44 -!- jumzi [~none@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44 < Namegduf> But Go as it is now is somewhat slower and will remain somewhat slower, and is GCed, and there will remain scenarios where that's a bad thing. 10:45 < wrtp> aiju: you can't write the whole kernel in C... 10:45 < aiju> wrtp: the majority of it 10:45 < wrtp> sure, but that could be true of Go too 10:45 -!- n___ [~alouca@5ad54238.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts 10:45 < aiju> not as it is 10:45 < wrtp> why not? 10:46 < aiju> it inserts "evil" operations like memory allocation in harmless statements 10:46 < aiju> a := foo[:] // oops 10:46 < wrtp> what's the difficulty with that? 10:46 < wrtp> the kernel can do memory allocation 10:46 < aiju> memory allocation really shouldn't happen in an interrupt handler 10:46 < aiju> or in several other places 10:46 < aiju> like the memory allocator 10:48 < wrtp> would it be too hard to fall back to a different memory allocator for some processes? 10:48 < wrtp> the go runtime does it 10:48 < aiju> the go runtime is written in C 10:50 < wrtp> i was just talking about that approach as a matter of principle 10:51 < wrtp> if the (assembly code) bootstrapping sets up an ultra simple memory allocator for the inital processes, then you can probably write a real memory allocator in go for the rest 10:52 < aiju> wrtp: i tried something along that with gofy 10:52 < aiju> it was such utter pain to write and debug, that i just got rid of it 10:52 < wrtp> doesn't mean that it's impossible though :-) 10:52 < aiju> "beware the turing tarpit, where everything is possible and nothing is easy" 10:53 < wrtp> sure 10:53 < wrtp> anyway, surely it would be ok if the majority of the code in the kernel was Go, in the same way that the majority of the code in other kernels is C? 11:02 -!- dchest [~dchest@95.155.52.241] has joined #go-nuts 11:02 -!- dchest [~dchest@95.155.52.241] has quit [Client Quit] 11:02 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 11:08 -!- dju [dju@at.dmz.me] has joined #go-nuts 11:08 -!- dju [dju@at.dmz.me] has quit [Changing host] 11:08 -!- dju [dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 11:31 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has joined #go-nuts 11:49 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176106245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 11:51 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@123.89.108.51] has joined #go-nuts 11:54 -!- tav_ [~tav@92.7.107.196] has joined #go-nuts 11:55 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@123.89.108.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56 -!- tav [~tav@92.7.107.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@113.84.150.100] has joined #go-nuts 12:03 -!- rup [~rupert@deathknight.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04 -!- rup [~rupert@deathknight.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:20 -!- n___ [~alouca@5ad54238.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: n___] 12:20 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176106245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 12:25 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:36 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.23.127.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:44 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51 -!- hcl2 [~akuma@75.41.110.112] has joined #go-nuts 12:52 < hokapoka> I want to allow different sorts on a given type. The only way I can see is to add some flag to indicate the property to base the sort off and check what it's set to in func Less() and set it to the relevant order before calling sort.Sort(foo) anyone got some better suggestions? 12:53 < wrtp> hokapoka: just have a different type for each kind of sort 12:54 < wrtp> or a more general type that holds some data indicating the kind of sort 12:54 < hokapoka> oh type sort1 mytype; func(s1 sort1) Less....; 12:54 < wrtp> yup 12:55 < wrtp> then if you want to sort an instance of mytype, just do sort.Sort(sort1(x)) 12:55 < hokapoka> I forget about those type definitions. 12:55 < hokapoka> sweet 12:55 < wrtp> useful they are :-) 12:55 < hokapoka> yes, need to make a mental note to think about them more. 12:56 < hokapoka> Brillant. 13:08 < hokapoka> I assume it's less expensive to declare the Len & Swap funcs on it's own type rather than within the func type casting back to the mytype? 13:09 < hokapoka> for example : func (s sort1) Len() (int) { return mytype(s).Len() } 13:10 < hokapoka> is it better to use : func (s sort1) Len() (int) { return len(s); } ? 13:13 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:19 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:27 < skelterjohn> hokapoka: do you mean s.(mytype).Len() 13:27 < skelterjohn> if sort1 is an interface, len(s) doesn't make sense 13:27 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:27 -!- vice_virtue [~vice@220-253-8-40.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 13:27 < skelterjohn> but if it's, for example, "type sort1 []*MyDataType" 13:27 < skelterjohn> then len(s) is fine 13:28 < vice_virtue> wrtp, regarding that RSA issue from yesterday: http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=1519&colspec=ID%20Status%20Stars%20Priority%20Owner%20Reporter%20Summary 13:28 < vice_virtue> I used your rsa_test.go in the issue as an attachment 13:29 < vice_virtue> Meanwhile, my program pads the encryptoaep output with zero's if need be 13:30 < wrtp> hokapoka: you don't need to redefine Len 13:30 < wrtp> you can do: type sort1 struct {mytype}; func (s sort1) Less(i, j int) {...} 13:31 < wrtp> to redefine your comparison only 13:32 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 13:33 < wrtp> vice_virtue: i think the difference can be any number of bytes, with exponentially decreasing probabilty 13:33 < vice_virtue> Yeah, my code accounts for that 13:33 < wrtp> i think you'll find that about 1 in 65536 cases are two bytes less 13:34 < wrtp> sure 13:34 < wrtp> i was just referring to your comment 13:34 < vice_virtue> on the issue? 13:34 < wrtp> "In practice, it seems that this difference is up to 1 byte." 13:35 < vice_virtue> ohh, good point, I just haven't encountered anything else, but strictly speaking I guess you're right, a 2^1/n relationship 13:36 -!- qjcg [~qjcg@208.88.110.46] has joined #go-nuts 13:36 -!- qjcg [~qjcg@208.88.110.46] has left #go-nuts [] 13:37 -!- artefon [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39 -!- jdp [~jdp@ool-435238c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:42 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 13:43 < wrtp> i think you mean 2^-n :-) 13:44 < aiju> 2^1/n = 0 13:44 < aiju> oh wait, no 13:44 < aiju> it's 3/n 13:46 < wrtp> surely the probability is 1 in 2^n? i.e. 1/(2^n) = 2^-n 13:47 < vice_virtue> which is equal to 2^(1/n) 13:47 < vice_virtue> no? 13:47 < vice_virtue> no... 13:47 < aiju> no 13:47 < wrtp> no 13:47 < vice_virtue> again 13:48 < wrtp> 2^(1/n) approaches 1 as n approaches infinity 13:48 < vice_virtue> (1/2)^n 13:48 < wrtp> yeah exactly. 13:48 < wrtp> = 1 / (2^n) = 2^-n 13:48 < vice_virtue> geometric distribution? 13:48 < vice_virtue> it's late :( 13:48 < wrtp> exponential, no? 13:50 < vice_virtue> ah, geometric sequence... a = 1, r = 0.5 13:53 < adu> I'm so confused 13:54 < vice_virtue> Regardless of how it would look if we graphed it, it's in the issue tracker now, and my code now accounts for any sort of messed-up polygamous Chi-squared distribution 13:55 < adu> 6g doesn't seem to handle "x.y" until much later in the parsing process 13:58 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:59 < skelterjohn> the words geometric and exponential mean something very similar in this case 14:02 < vice_virtue> text file as an issue tracker... maybe I should invest in setting up something more substantial... mmaayyybbeee 14:04 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:06 < skelterjohn> if you're the only one working on the project, text file is fine 14:07 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09 -!- vice_virtue [~vice@220-253-8-40.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:17 -!- plainhao [~plainhao@208.75.85.237] has joined #go-nuts 14:19 -!- arun__ [~arun@2001:610:110:4e2:280:5aff:fe69:e130] has quit [Changing host] 14:19 -!- arun__ [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has joined #go-nuts 14:22 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@nat/google/x-nmmsnrusanlyxvwf] has joined #go-nuts 14:22 -!- saturnfive [~saturnfiv@222.90.1.218] has joined #go-nuts 14:26 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:28 -!- Viisa [~viisanan@bb220-255-89-248.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts 14:33 < nsfx> Scalability question: I have a big in-memory data structure that I'm reading from and it's no longer fitting in RAM. Attempting a distributed solution, would spawning sharded servers and calling them by RPC from a 'master' scale well? 14:35 < nsfx> I'm mainly worried about the scalability of spawning a goroutine for each shard for every request. 14:35 -!- Viisa [~viisanan@bb220-255-89-248.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:39 -!- ildorn [~ildorn@vpnclient-241-069.extern.uni-ulm.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:41 -!- Boney [~paul@124-148-175-184.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 14:43 -!- Boney_ [~paul@203-158-33-53.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:43 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.104.194] has joined #go-nuts 14:43 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 14:44 < skelterjohn> spawning some constant number of goroutines for every request should be fin 14:44 < skelterjohn> e 14:44 < skelterjohn> in fact, that was one of the first examples of goroutines i saw (when Rob Pike gave a talk) 14:44 < aiju> when i get too worried about server performance, i remember that people use ruby on rails 14:46 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 14:51 < wrtp> nsfx: if you measured it and the overhead was too high, you could easily roll your own rpc which didn't do a spawn 14:52 < wrtp> depends whether you need multiple outstanding rpcs or not 14:52 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 14:53 < wrtp> fun package of the day: rog-go.googlecode.com/hg/exp/filemarshal (inspired by ron minnich on golang-dev) 14:53 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-198-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:57 -!- jdp [~jdp@pool-98-116-124-6.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:58 < nsf> nsfx :D 14:58 < nsf> now there are two nsfs 14:58 < nsf> :P 15:00 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:03 -!- jbooth1 [~jay@209.249.216.2] has joined #go-nuts 15:05 < jnwhiteh> pro tip: if you have a memory leak, check for the use of maps and ensure you're not doing foo[bar] = nil thinking it actually will make bar eligible for garbage collection. In short, don't be an idiot =) 15:07 -!- JusticeFries [~JusticeFr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: JusticeFries] 15:08 -!- ildorn [~ildorn@vpnclient-241-069.extern.uni-ulm.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10 < adu> jnwhiteh: or, add free() to the language 15:10 < jnwhiteh> I wouldn't want free 15:10 < jnwhiteh> the GC works just fine =) 15:10 < jnwhiteh> and adding free can cause nil references at runtime and that's no good 15:11 < Namegduf> Adding free() won't solve memory leaks. 15:11 < jnwhiteh> not in the least =) 15:11 < Namegduf> It'll just turn existing memory leaks into bad references. 15:12 < Namegduf> Assuming it's actually used perfectly, which seems dubious. 15:13 < adu> I'm confused 15:13 < adu> if it's used perfectly, then wouldn't it ... by definition ... be perfect? 15:13 < jnwhiteh> no, it would create bad references 15:13 < Namegduf> It being used perfectly says nothing about everything else 15:14 < jnwhiteh> Go is a garbage collected language. If you have a memory leaks it is because you are holding references to a value; preventing them from being collected. 15:14 < Namegduf> And if everything else was perfect you would not be leaking memory in the first place 15:14 -!- pharris [~Adium@rhgw.opentext.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:14 < nsf> jnwhiteh: which is not a memory leak by definition 15:14 < jnwhiteh> As a result, if you were to free() that memory, whoever is holding a reference to it suddenly has a nil reference instead. The memory leak is a symptom of the bug, not the bug itself. 15:14 < jnwhiteh> nsf: that's true =) 15:15 < Namegduf> Depends on how you define memory leak. 15:15 < nsf> I think GC is a bad idea 15:15 < nsf> for a language like Go 15:15 < adu> I like the idea of zones 15:15 < Namegduf> Why? 15:15 < wrtp> i think it's very difficult to manually manage memory in a concurrent environment 15:15 < adu> why zones? 15:16 < Namegduf> Go is like any other language, plus concurrency, as regards GC 15:16 < nsf> Namegduf: because it leaves place for writing some C code from time to time 15:16 -!- exch [~exch@h78233.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16 < Namegduf> nsf: And why is that a bad thing? 15:16 < adu> I think there should be a GC zone and a manual zone 15:16 < nsf> well.. maybe it isn't 15:16 < wrtp> you have to decide who has responsibility for a given piece of data, and when it's being passed down channels, that's not always clear 15:16 < nsf> wrtp: you have to decide that no matter what 15:17 < wrtp> no you don't 15:17 < nsf> if you're not doing that your app sucks 15:17 < nsf> :) 15:17 < Namegduf> No, you don't. 15:17 < Namegduf> Even in manual memory management scenarios you often utilise reference counting instead. 15:17 < nsf> writing apps is about managing data and processing data 15:17 < adu> oh, and a refcount zone 15:17 < nsf> GC is just a way to deal with one of the problems 15:17 < nsf> it doesn't remove the problem 15:18 < Namegduf> GC solves the problem. 15:18 < Namegduf> That's as good as removing it. 15:18 < Namegduf> Where "the problem" refers to memory management, not bizarre abstract things like "managing data" 15:19 < Namegduf> Which is more like a composite of numerous actual problems than a task persay 15:19 < wrtp> nsf: you have to know that *someone* has responsibility for the data, but you don't need to know exactly which piece of code. 15:20 < adu> Namegduf: it's "per se" 15:20 < Namegduf> GC removes the requirement to ensure that data is owned by a single specific someone, or reference counted manually and circular references cannot happen. 15:21 < nsf> whatever.. 15:22 * adu thinks global shared data should be deprecated 15:22 < nsf> if it's read-only, what's wrong with it? 15:22 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@113.84.150.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:22 < adu> read-only is awesome 15:22 -!- exch [~exch@h78233.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts 15:23 < adu> global shared mutable data 15:23 < Namegduf> Global writeable data is messy in Go 15:23 < nsf> but I agree, I kind of like D's approach 15:23 < nsf> but I've never used it 15:23 < adu> nsf: I like Haskell's approach 15:23 < adu> deprecate variables alltogether 15:24 < jnwhiteh> I'd like to see efficient (i.e) copy-on-write immutable data structures 15:24 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:24 < adu> jnwhiteh: COW is slow 15:24 < Namegduf> COW is an implementation detail 15:24 < Namegduf> I think. 15:24 < wrtp> adu: have you made any large programs in haskell? 15:24 < jnwhiteh> adu: its better than always-copy 15:24 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@218.16.177.3] has joined #go-nuts 15:25 < wrtp> jnwhiteh: copy-on-write doesn't work well across multiple processors 15:25 < jnwhiteh> that is true 15:25 < adu> wrtp: yes, a go parser 15:25 < taruti> actually there is messy shared global mutable state in Haskell too 15:25 < wrtp> ah, parsers are a special case! 15:26 < wrtp> they map well to laziness 15:26 < jnwhiteh> writing a parser in haskell using parsec isn't really what I would consider a large program 15:26 < adu> wrtp: also: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/mucipher and http://hackage.haskell.org/package/only 15:26 < wrtp> taruti: yeah, and getting to grips with monad transformers is not for the weak of mind 15:26 < taruti> they are fun :) 15:26 < taruti> wrtp: I miss them in Go :( 15:26 < adu> taruti: shh, don't let anyone know ;) 15:27 < Namegduf> The only thing I'd really like Go to provide is an efficient lockfree read data structure 15:27 < adu> jnwhiteh: it's not always better 15:27 < Namegduf> Which could have a single writer concurrent with reads without issues 15:27 < wrtp> one severe haskell lack, IMO: member names local to structured types 15:27 < jnwhiteh> adu: Aye 15:28 < taruti> wrtp: yes 15:28 < Namegduf> You can write one in Go (and I have done so), but you have to rely on things which are actually implementation details. 15:28 < wrtp> i really felt the pain of that when i was trying to use haskell to do something slightly more non-trivial 15:29 < adu> wrtp: there's also a very nice FFI that a couple of Haskell compilers support 15:29 < jnwhiteh> Haskell is a fantastic language 15:29 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:29 < jnwhiteh> but can't be compared to Go, they're just completely different 15:29 < adu> of course 15:29 < wrtp> i found part of the problem with haskell is that the type system was so powerful, it was difficult to avoid trying to express everything with it 15:29 < jnwhiteh> I sit in an office filled with FP/Haskell PhD students 15:30 < jnwhiteh> luckily I'm just visiting their office, mine is downstairs where we don't worry about being so 'pure' =) 15:30 < wrtp> and then you find that your compiler goes into infinite loops and the error messages are utterly incomprehensible 15:30 < adu> wrtp: it is 15:31 < adu> wrtp: I actually think Haskell's typeclasses are overkill, but then again, I also think Go's interfaces are overkill 15:31 -!- saturnfive [~saturnfiv@222.90.1.218] has left #go-nuts [] 15:32 < taruti> like trying to optimize division type level numbers 15:33 < taruti> the lack of parametric types in Go is quite annoying 15:33 < adu> taruti: how would you want them to look? 15:33 * taruti dreams of defining monads in Go 15:33 < jnwhiteh> adu: you think interfaces are overkill O.o 15:33 < jnwhiteh> they're so.. minimal. 15:34 < adu> i do 15:34 < adu> jnwhiteh: define "minimal" 15:34 <+iant> what do you want to do with parametric types that you can't do today? (serious question, I'm looking for specific reasons why Go needs them) 15:34 < jnwhiteh> adu: define "overkill" =) 15:35 < taruti> iant: mostly get code to typecheck rather than using interfaces + casting. 15:35 <+iant> what sort of code? 15:35 < jnwhiteh> The semantics of interfaces are incredibly simple, mainly complicated by embeded types. 15:35 < taruti> iant: e.g. a parsing framework like parsec, or data structures. 15:36 < mdxi> aren't monads basically a giant slight-of-hand trick to get around the fact that a language with no I/O (read: mathematically pure and side-effect free) is utterly useless? 15:36 < adu> interfaces are generally used when you want to "specialize" abstract operations for a predetermined list of types, and in this instance, a type-switch (or equivalent custom code) would do just as well 15:36 < Namegduf> Huh? 15:36 < wrtp> iant: there are quite a few places where i've used some fairly complex reflection code where parametric types would have worked better 15:36 < wrtp> adu: naah 15:37 < Namegduf> That sounds backwards 15:37 <+iant> adu: I don't think that is accurate; io.Writer is used by a bunch of code, and there is no predetermined list of types which implement that interface 15:37 < taruti> mdxi: they are lots of more things 15:37 < wrtp> adu: see how common Reader is 15:37 < Namegduf> Yeah. 15:37 < taruti> iant: e.g. parametric types that are just implemented as interface{} would be totally fine 15:37 < wrtp> particularly operations that layer interface on interface. e.g. bufio 15:38 < adu> wrtp: Reader would be an example of interfaces used to define "hooks" for undetermined types, which is not covered by the above use case 15:38 <+iant> ...with compile-time type checking, I assume 15:38 * Namegduf is writing new functions that take io.Writer and io.Reader, which are used by new types meeting them. New code using more new code using an existing interface. 15:38 < taruti> iant: yes. 15:41 < adu> generics have 3 uses in other languages: (1) strict parameterization which avoids interface{} problems when a more specific type would be helpful (2) encoding multiple method definitions in a single method if those definitions are syntactically identical except for types (3) specialization, but since this is already provided by Go interfaces, best not to consider 15:42 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 15:44 -!- Boney_ [~paul@124.168.120.213] has joined #go-nuts 15:45 < wrtp> i'd love to see some more specialised container types in Go. without generics, it's difficult for them to be decently efficient. 15:45 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-198-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46 < adu> wrtp: like List[int] and Vector[float32]? 15:46 -!- Boney [~paul@124-148-175-184.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47 < Namegduf> Vector is kinda redundant with slices and append() 15:47 -!- Maxdamantus [~Maxdamant@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:47 < Namegduf> The other container/* stuff, though, maybe? 15:47 < wrtp> like SkipList[int] 15:47 < wrtp> or Graph[nodeType, argType] 15:48 < wrtp> s/argType/arcType/ 15:48 < adu> or Bipartite[U, V] 15:48 < Namegduf> Trie[*Foo] 15:49 * Namegduf has a trie.PointerTrie which uses unsafe.Pointer right now; using it involves importing unsafe. 15:49 -!- visof [~visof@unaffiliated/visof] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50 < jnwhiteh> Indeed, I'd love to be able to ask my students to implement a generic binary tree structure in Go 15:50 < wrtp> the problem with interface based code is that if you want an equivalence any deeper than the top level, the code has to be written explicitly for a particular interface 15:50 < Namegduf> Go can't do so any more than C can 15:50 < jnwhiteh> the comparable interface helps with that tho 15:50 < Namegduf> You either have to instantiate or use interface{} the way you'd use void*. 15:51 < Namegduf> (You could also use unsafe.Pointer similarly, but that involves pulling in unsafe) 15:51 < wrtp> it helps that you can easily layer types on types with very low overhead 15:52 < adu> I was considering what would be involved with compiling Go to OpenCL-C, if all those built-in generic functions would have to be part of the language... 15:53 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54 < wrtp> func InfiniteBuffer[t]() (chan<- t, <-chan t) 15:56 < wrtp> ParallelReduce[t]([]t, func(t, t) t) t 15:56 -!- jumzi [~none@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:57 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has joined #go-nuts 16:00 -!- luruke [~luruke@151.53.25.175] has joined #go-nuts 16:02 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.104.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02 -!- jumzi [~none@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:06 -!- luruke [~luruke@151.53.25.175] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:11 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@c-eacae555.08-2-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 16:15 -!- jumzi [~none@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #go-nuts 16:15 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-ldhaszallweneipw] has joined #go-nuts 16:15 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 16:18 -!- phalax_ [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has joined #go-nuts 16:18 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 16:22 < skelterjohn> morning 16:23 -!- bortzmeyer1 [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has joined #go-nuts 16:23 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:24 -!- bortzmeyer1 [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 16:24 -!- JusticeFries [~JusticeFr@173-8-247-218-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/QWwpnn by [Roger Peppe] in go/src/pkg/netchan/ -- netchan: allow use of arbitrary connections. 16:35 < KBme> hum arbitrary connections? 16:35 < KBme> oh, nice 16:40 < zozoR> whats that 16:40 < zozoR> ? 16:40 < aiju> you can connect to *any* computer in your network! 16:40 < zozoR> and which computers could you not connect to before? 16:42 < aiju> zozoR: that was a joke 16:42 < zozoR> but im too stupid to get it -_- 16:42 < skelterjohn> maybe he was trying to set you up for a better punchline :) 16:43 < zozoR> : | 16:43 < KBme> no, lol, it expects an io.ReadWriter instead of a net.Conn 16:45 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@218.16.177.3] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:45 < jbooth1> netchan = ReaderWriter + serialization so you can push arbitrary stuff through the chan? 16:47 < KBme> no 16:47 < KBme> netchan now doesn't only work on network connections 16:47 < KBme> it works on any io.ReadWriter 16:47 < jbooth1> yeah i got that part 16:47 < jbooth1> i was just asking about the purpose of the api 16:47 < skelterjohn> that's consistent with what jbooth1 said 16:47 < KBme> ok i didn't get it 16:47 < KBme> jbooth1: it's just channels over the network 16:47 < jbooth1> seems like that's what it does.. is this like go internal binary state or does it use gob or what 16:47 < KBme> you can import them from external programs 16:48 < jbooth1> yeah i'm just curious about how it represents the objects you're pushing through on the wire 16:48 < skelterjohn> if netchan can be used over a network, i'm sure it uses a cross-platform format 16:48 < skelterjohn> otherwise it wouldn't be very useful 16:48 < KBme> yep, that is probable 16:49 -!- JusticeFries_ [~JusticeFr@173-8-247-218-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:49 < skelterjohn> however: "they always behave as if they are buffered channels of at least one element" 16:49 < jbooth1> well, now that it's upgraded to ReaderWriter, start the countdown on someone saving stuff to files with it and then having the format change on them :) 16:49 < skelterjohn> from golang.org/pkg/netchan 16:49 < skelterjohn> i foresee deadlock issues if you try to write to a file for storage 16:49 * jbooth1 tried to do that with java serialization once upon a time, bad idea 16:51 < jbooth1> hm do channels have an EOF equivalent? 16:51 < jbooth1> haven't had a chance to use them yet 16:51 < skelterjohn> you can range over a channel 16:51 < skelterjohn> will read values until the channel is closed 16:51 < skelterjohn> close(theChannel) 16:51 < jbooth1> ok 16:52 < jbooth1> cool 16:52 < skelterjohn> there used to be, and may still be, a function closed(theChannel) 16:52 < skelterjohn> to tell you if it is closed 16:52 < aiju> didn't they remove it? 16:52 < skelterjohn> i don't know, hence my equivocal language 16:52 < Namegduf> I think they might have, and it isn't very useful for most approaches anyway 16:53 < skelterjohn> you can attempt to read from a channel with "val, ok <- theChannel", and ok will be false if the channel was closed (and val will be zeroed) 16:53 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@adsl-99-37-227-229.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:53 -!- JusticeFries [~JusticeFr@173-8-247-218-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:53 < jbooth1> yeah that seems cleaner than calls to closed() 16:53 < skelterjohn> checking closed(ch) and then doing something based on what you got is asking for race conditions 16:54 < jbooth1> yeah 16:54 < jbooth1> well, they can't reopen right? 16:54 < skelterjohn> right 16:54 < jbooth1> but yeah if you proceed assuming open that's trouble 16:54 < skelterjohn> well, you'll get zero in what you read off the channel 16:54 < jbooth1> yeah 16:54 < skelterjohn> that may or may not be useful 16:59 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-166-5.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 17:09 -!- phalax_ [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10 -!- Scorchin [~Scorchin@host86-145-16-123.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:13 < zozoR> i just used closed() 17:24 < zozoR> omg netchans are made of epicness :/ 17:25 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.26.237.132.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 17:25 -!- phalax_ [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has joined #go-nuts 17:29 -!- maattd [~maattd@esc31-1-78-245-92-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:30 < wrtp> jbooth1: netchan will quickly fail if you try to use it on a regular file... it expects to see reply messages and it'd only see EOF... 17:30 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189-10-154-99.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 17:30 < wrtp> and yes, it uses gob 17:31 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.26.237.132.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31 < wrtp> KBme: you could now even run netchan over a channel within netchan itself... 17:32 < zozoR> divide by zero? :D 17:33 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:33 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Changing host] 17:33 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 17:35 -!- derferman [~derferman@c-98-207-60-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:37 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED4B890.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 17:38 < jnwhiteh> Am I correct in saying that the TCPConn returned by the http.ListenAndServe function does not implement the ReadFrom/WriteTo methods? 17:42 -!- n___ [~alouca@5ad54238.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:44 -!- phalax_ [~phalax@c213-100-72-128.swipnet.se] has left #go-nuts ["Lämnar"] 17:44 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.159.252.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 17:47 < wrtp> jnwhiteh: looks like it. you can always use Write or Read instead. 17:47 < wrtp> why do you care? 17:48 < jnwhiteh> wrtp: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c8347f64e1eaedd4bf5cbf45409c9cd6.png 17:49 < aiju> you're running OS X and worry about performance? 17:49 < jnwhiteh> wrtp: top line is apache/lighttpd, blue is go using http.FileServer and pink/green are my frameworks 17:49 < wrtp> top line being the red one? 17:49 < jnwhiteh> yes 17:50 < jnwhiteh> I'm trying to narrow down the cause of the speed difference and knowing that no one is able to use ReadFrom helps me narrow it down 17:50 < jnwhiteh> that's all I was looking for =) 17:50 < wrtp> well, you can check definitively with a quick interface check 17:51 < jnwhiteh> *nod* I'll do that in a bit 17:51 < wrtp> it might be encapsulating bufio or something 17:51 < jnwhiteh> yay for gotry =) 17:51 < wrtp> yay! 17:51 < wrtp> nice graph anyway 17:52 < jnwhiteh> not fantastic results, but my research isn't about performance.. I just have to do some sort of comparison 17:52 < wrtp> is that with GOMAXPROCS=1? 17:52 < jnwhiteh> was hoping to show that a highly concurrent architecture with a bit more flexibility doesn't come at much cost, but it doesn't seem like that's in the cards =) 17:52 < jnwhiteh> yes 17:52 < mpl> it's odd how they all drop suddenly and then climb a bit again. why don't they just keep dropping? 17:52 < aiju> i suppose he doesn't average properly :P 17:52 < jnwhiteh> ... 17:53 < aiju> jnwhiteh: do you? 17:53 < jnwhiteh> given that httperf is the one doing it and not me, yes. 17:53 < aiju> oic 17:53 < mpl> hmm wait, no. it does make kinda sense that it would stay constant at max capability. 17:53 < jnwhiteh> I'm not sure why you feel the need to make a snide comment about the OS I happen to be using, and then say something like that.. 17:53 < wrtp> i'd be interested to see the results for GOMAXPROCS>1 17:54 < mpl> jnwhiteh: that's called trolling. and it's pretty frequent on irc. just ignore what you don't like :) 17:54 < jnwhiteh> aye, I have to run those as well 17:54 < jnwhiteh> mpl: I'm quite aware, just didn't expect to see it here for some reason *shrug* 17:54 < jnwhiteh> mpl: the results are what I'd expect given the plateau that you experience with this particular metric 17:54 < aiju> well, esp. the blue line looks undersampled 17:54 < Namegduf> Would be interesting to track down the performance cost. 17:54 < mpl> jnwhiteh: yah, yah, I hadn't thought through enough. 17:55 < jnwhiteh> aiju: there are currently two data points per x value 17:55 < jnwhiteh> that's why you get the weirdness in the blue 17:55 < jnwhiteh> two clients are used to sustain the load on the server and *those* values are not averaged at all at the moment 17:55 < aiju> wait, you just run it twice for each x value? 17:55 < aiju> yeah 17:55 < aiju> then my comment wasn't "trolling" but an accurate observation 17:56 < Namegduf> Would be interesting to track down the performance issue. 17:56 < jnwhiteh> no, if I need to sustain a load of 3000 requests per second for 30 seconds, that's split over two clients with 1500 requests per second 17:56 < jnwhiteh> Namegduf: that's what I'm working on, so I can put it in my conclusions 17:56 < Namegduf> It'd also be good for improving Go 17:56 < aiju> scheduler? garbage collector? 17:56 < jnwhiteh> aiju: given that that's it doesn't answer mpl's questions, I don't buy it. 17:56 < aiju> both of those are pretty .. simplicistic 17:56 < Namegduf> Go is not very optimised right now, so comparing it to stuff that's been benchmarked and improved as far as reasonably possible isn't totally fair. 17:57 < jnwhiteh> Namegduf: I'm not doing that =) 17:57 < jnwhiteh> the relevant portion of this graph is my framework in relation to Go's stock package 17:57 < aiju> jnwhiteh: it does answer it, you can't expect too much explainable behaviour if you don't sample enough 17:57 < jnwhiteh> Apache is just a matter of perspective 17:57 < aiju> it's called "basic empiric science" 17:57 < jnwhiteh> wow, clearly something I know nothing about 17:58 < Namegduf> I'm just saying, the results would be good for figuring out how Go can be improved, as well. 17:58 < jnwhiteh> Namegduf: aye =) 18:00 < jnwhiteh> I need to first identify the overhead from my framework, then I can move on to looking at what could be done to improve Go's performance 18:00 < jnwhiteh> the timeout http server made a huge difference, actually 18:00 < jnwhiteh> without that the second you enter an error state where client are unable to be served, the server just goes kerplunk 18:01 < aiju> jnwhiteh: did you run a profiler on it? 18:02 < jnwhiteh> that's what I'm in the process of doing, yes. 18:02 < mpl> jnwhiteh: will you post your findinds on go-nuts at some point plz? I could use the conclusions to inspect my own code at some point. 18:02 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@nat/google/x-nmmsnrusanlyxvwf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03 < jnwhiteh> mpl: yes, I intend to! 18:03 < mpl> thk 18:03 < mpl> *thx 18:03 < jnwhiteh> right now the biggest takeaway is that the http.Request really needs to expose the address of the client; I'll probably submit a CL once my load drops a bit =) 18:05 < fzzbt> does anyone have url for that github project which had a bunch of helpful go Makefile examples? 18:05 < jnwhiteh> fzzbt: https://github.com/jnwhiteh/golang-examples 18:06 < jnwhiteh> that's how I end up structuring some of my projects 18:07 < fzzbt> noo that probably wasn't it.. i think it had example how to include multiple packages in one Makefile. not sure how wise that is tough.. 18:08 < fzzbt> maybe ill check my own irclogs 18:08 < jnwhiteh> oh, didn't realize there was a specific one you were looking for. 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Asking about similar. 20:28 < temoto> uh 20:28 < skelterjohn> but if you think about it, the compiler doesn't know how long the slice will be at runtime 20:29 < temoto> So? 20:29 < skelterjohn> so it isn't a safe operation 20:29 < temoto> Compiler can generate exactly same code as you pointed. 20:29 < skelterjohn> and it might trigger a panic :) 20:29 < skelterjohn> you have to ask to do things that can cause a panic 20:30 < aiju> yeah, like doing foo[bar] 20:30 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 20:30 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30 < aiju> the thing here is rather that it is too easy to panic 20:31 < skelterjohn> you could write StringSliceTo3Vals(s []string) (v1, v2, v3 string, err os.Error) 20:31 < skelterjohn> but it's already gotten complicated enough so that it really doesn't belong as part of the language itself 20:31 < skelterjohn> but rather some code you'd write to handle your special case 20:32 < temoto> Yes, complicated enough :) 20:32 < skelterjohn> which is not to say it's particularly complicated. go has a low bar for complexity of its primitive operations 20:33 < aiju> if you want pre-made operations for every possible thing, try ruby 20:33 < aiju> foo.NonZero? 20:33 < aiju> this really baffled me 20:34 < skelterjohn> what does that do 20:34 < aiju> it checks whether foo is non-zero 20:34 < skelterjohn> foo != 0? 20:34 -!- maattd [~maattd@esc31-1-78-245-92-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35 < GilJ> Yep 20:35 < aiju> skelterjohn: i don't know why they don't do that one either 20:35 < skelterjohn> why make a shortcut that is longer? 20:35 < aiju> skelterjohn: it's Ruby 20:35 < GilJ> Readability++ 20:35 < skelterjohn> is there foo.Zero? 20:35 < aiju> there is also a .First second 20:35 < aiju> *method 20:35 < aiju> to get the first element of a list! 20:35 < skelterjohn> that is kind of like lisp though 20:35 < temoto> What do you get if list is empty? 20:35 < skelterjohn> so at least there is some history there 20:36 < GilJ> list.Empty? 20:36 < aiju> temoto: i don't know; my knowledge of ruby is very superficial 20:36 < skelterjohn> he means what happens with list.First if the list is empty 20:36 < aiju> skelterjohn: in LISP it makes sense 20:36 < skelterjohn> i imagine your server shuts down 20:38 < aiju> Ruby is said to follow the principle of least astonishment (POLA), meaning that the language should behave in such a way as to minimize confusion for experienced users. 20:38 < temoto> I tried. [].first returns nil. Which is actually useful. 20:38 < aiju> hahahahahahaha 20:38 < temoto> confusion for experienced users is funny, yeah. :) 20:38 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 20:38 < aiju> experienced users can work with JCL 20:38 < skelterjohn> what's jcl 20:39 < aiju> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_Control_Language#Complexity 20:39 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 20:39 < temoto> just common lisp ;) 20:39 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 20:39 < aiju> "nil" is an object 20:39 < aiju> fuck yeah 20:39 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 20:43 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-198-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF6A29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:45 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 20:50 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52 -!- kixo [~rbebic@93-138-124-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #go-nuts 20:54 -!- kixo [~rbebic@93-138-124-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Client Quit] 20:54 -!- kixo [~rbebic@93-138-124-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #go-nuts 20:54 -!- kixo [~rbebic@93-138-124-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Client Quit] 20:54 -!- kixo [~rbebic@93-138-124-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #go-nuts 20:55 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 20:55 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 20:56 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 20:58 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59 -!- kosiini [~janne@dyn2-85-23-163-201.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:59 -!- kosiini [~janne@dyn2-85-23-163-201.psoas.suomi.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:59 -!- kosiini [~janne@pdpc/supporter/student/kosiini] has joined #go-nuts 21:01 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 21:03 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 21:05 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 21:05 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 21:07 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 21:08 -!- plainhao [~plainhao@208.75.85.237] has quit [Quit: plainhao] 21:09 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 21:09 -!- museun [~what@c-98-252-140-73.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:09 -!- aconran__ [~aconran-o@38.104.129.126] has joined #go-nuts 21:10 -!- vzx [~ryan@74-129-201-27.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:11 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 21:13 -!- aconran_ [~aconran-o@adsl-67-119-205-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:15 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.159.252.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:24 -!- vzx [~ryan@74-129-201-27.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:24 -!- nictuku [~nicutku@cetico.org] has quit [Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5] 21:25 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26 -!- JusticeFries [~JusticeFr@173-8-247-218-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:35 -!- zozoR [~Morten@56346ed3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 21:36 < zozoR> anyone with gtk experience? 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