--- Log opened Fri May 13 00:00:47 2011 --- Day changed Fri May 13 2011 00:00 < fheller> KirkMcDonald: Yeah, I get that. I've seen other examples where this works well, though. NSLocalizedString(...) from Apple in my experience was very nice to use 00:03 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:03 < fheller> KirkMcDonald: If the user is logged in, I want to tweak some colors slightly in a header--how do I express that change with a template? 00:04 < KirkMcDonald> I'm not a web designer. But in a more simplistic templating language, you might conditionally choose one css class vs. another. 00:05 < KirkMcDonald> (Based on a variable passed in to the template.) 00:06 < fheller> For me, it's much more simple to use a Go variable and a Go statement and not involve any other language. 00:08 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@189.59.134.202] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:08 < fheller> Also, I like interpreting my models directly with less indirection. I guess template languages were made for people who aren't so lazy like me. 00:09 < fheller> I think I should tweak this so just the needed data and conditionals are involved in my...thing 00:15 < fheller> Anyway, has anyone used Go for serious web apps? What was your server setup (built-in, fcgi, ...)? 00:15 -!- rphillips [~rphillips@unaffiliated/rphillips] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 00:16 < skelterjohn> golang.org is a go web app 00:17 < fheller> And they use the built-in server, which is comforting 00:17 < skelterjohn> a lot of people like web.go 00:20 < fheller> And that's interesting to me. web.go seems to provide its own stuff like Request and Response and I was wondering if that was necessary as Go has built-in variants. 00:21 -!- rphillips [~rphillips@unaffiliated/rphillips] has joined #go-nuts 00:21 < fheller> And I don't mean passive-aggressive "wondering" as in "I'm wondering why x duplicated functionality"--I mean as in "oh man, I don't know a lot about Go and I hope the built-in stuff is all I need--but I really do wonder since someone made web.go and something else" 00:21 -!- genbattle [~nick@203-114-137-9.wir.sta.inspire.net.nz] has joined #go-nuts 00:25 -!- xb95 [~xb95@dreamwidth/staff/mark] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:25 -!- xb95 [~xb95@qq.is] has joined #go-nuts 00:25 -!- xb95 [~xb95@qq.is] has quit [Changing host] 00:25 -!- xb95 [~xb95@dreamwidth/staff/mark] has joined #go-nuts 00:27 -!- zanget [~zanget@hurf.durf.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:27 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 00:27 -!- kkress [~kkress@2001:470:1:41::403e:ad36] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:27 -!- kkress [~kkress@2001:470:1:41::403e:ad36] has joined #go-nuts 00:27 -!- zanget [~zanget@hurf.durf.me] has joined #go-nuts 00:31 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:32 < jeremy_c> Anyone know of something like MongoDB but as an embedded database? i.e. no server, like sqlite. 00:34 -!- tvw [~tv@e176003041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:35 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 00:46 < dforsyth> i want to write one that uses gobs ;_; 00:46 < dforsyth> or wrap level 00:46 < dforsyth> leveldb* 00:47 < drhodes> jeremy_c: I found a stackoverflow question that addresses that question: http://goo.gl/lBOsY, I haven't used any of them though :) 00:52 < jhawk28> jeremy_c here is a partially implemented one: http://code.google.com/p/gocask/ 00:54 -!- nteon [~nteon@c-98-210-195-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:58 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.49.242] has joined #go-nuts 00:59 -!- vpit3833 [~chatzilla@203.111.33.203] has joined #go-nuts 01:04 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:04 -!- iant [~iant@66.109.105.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:05 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 01:05 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #go-nuts 01:07 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@business-89-133-214-120.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08 -!- thomas_b [~thomasb@cm-84.215.47.51.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09 < jeremy_c> drhodes: jhawk28 thanks 01:10 -!- thomas_b [~thomasb@cm-84.215.47.51.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 01:17 -!- krutcha_ [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20 -!- genbattle [~nick@203-114-137-9.wir.sta.inspire.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-204-178.allocated.csupomona.edu] has joined #go-nuts 01:35 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has joined #go-nuts 01:37 -!- moraes_ [~moraes@189.103.176.38] has joined #go-nuts 01:40 -!- benjack [~benjack@bb220-255-251-155.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts 01:41 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.176.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:41 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-204-178.allocated.csupomona.edu] has quit [Quit: achoo] 01:43 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-204-178.allocated.csupomona.edu] has joined #go-nuts 01:44 < jeremy_c> are #cgo commands documented anywhere? i.e. /* #cgo LDFLAGS: .... */ ? 01:44 < jeremy_c> I need to specify a different LDFLAGS line when GOOS=windows vs. GOOS=linux 01:45 < Kafo> // #cgo linux CFLAGS: -DLINUX=1 01:45 < Kafo> http://golang.org/cmd/cgo/ 01:46 < jeremy_c> Kafo: great, thanks! I'm still learning my way around some of the docs. I remember reading something about it, then went back to find it and couldn't. 01:46 < Kafo> So "// #cgo windows LDFLAGS: -lwindowslibrary" and "// #cgo linux LDFLAGS: -llinuxlibrary" 01:54 < Kafo> Bed time for me 01:54 < Kafo> It's almost 5 o'clock. 01:54 < Kafo> Too much information to absorb on internet. 01:55 < jeremy_c> Kafo: give it another day or so and you'll have it all... :-) 01:56 < jeremy_c> go-iup now installs cleanly from goinstall! Yay! 01:56 < Kafo> Maybe :) 01:56 < Kafo> Nice :) 01:57 < Kafo> I hate how my main interests are stuff like compilers and operating systems and the learning curve isn't the most fun part. 01:57 < fheller> Kafo: Go embedded 01:59 < Kafo> I actually was thinking about making a compiler that generates gameboy binaries. :) 02:00 < Kafo> But now it's sleepytime 02:03 -!- Kafo [~Kafo@a91-152-189-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06 -!- tvw [~tv@e176004054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 02:14 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 02:15 < fzzbt> how do i do a reverse regexp "match"? ie. i have a regexp and some content, and i would like to generate a string by inserting that content to what i would normally try to match. eg. i have regexp "^foo(.*)$" and content string "bar" then i would i should get string "foobar" generated 02:17 -!- chomp [~chomp@c-67-186-35-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:18 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-204-178.allocated.csupomona.edu] has quit [Quit: achoo] 02:19 < chomp> searching the interwebs has proven unproductive, so does anyone know if there's any work being done on a PAM wrapper package for go? 02:26 < fheller> fzzbt: So I have a string "kitties foo puppies" and after your operation I would have "kitties foobar puppies"? 02:26 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #go-nuts 02:27 < fzzbt> uhm.. noo 02:30 < fzzbt> basically, i have regexps for different URL patterns which are linked to different URL handlers. this works okay, but now I want to do the reverse: given a URL handler and some string parameters, i want to generate an URL addres from the regexp that is linked with the given URL handler. 02:33 -!- qwp [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/qwp] has joined #go-nuts 02:33 -!- kr [~Keith@204.14.152.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:33 -!- qwp [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/qwp] has left #go-nuts [] 02:34 < fheller> So the input is regex: "^/view/[^/]+/[^/]+$" (matches view/kitties/1), and then entity="puppies" id="2". From this, your program would generate /view/puppies/2? If I'm still not getting, don't bother explaining again (I will still fail to understand) 02:36 < fzzbt> fheller: yeah exactly 02:36 < fheller> I have no idea how you would do that without parsing the regex. 02:38 < fheller> I'm lazy, so I would have the regex and some other data structure that knows how to handle parameter insertion 02:41 < fzzbt> python/django had special regexp format for this, eg. "^/view/(?P<pet>[^/]+)/(?P<id>[^/]+/$" after which you could generate the url with something like reverse("my_handler", kwargs={pet:"puppies", id:2}). go regexp doesn't seem to support anything like this 02:42 < fheller> fzzbt: I'm brand new to Go (day #2) so I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny the existence of such a thing in Go. 02:42 < fzzbt> :) 02:44 < fzzbt> maybe i should just hardcode my url for now. too lazy 02:45 < fzzbt> even web.go doesn't do this yet 02:45 < fheller> Of course, earlier today two other people in this chat-room poo-poo'd my using Go as a template language: http://www.weirdspaceadventures.com/go/test.goh turns into http://www.weirdspaceadventures.com/go/test.go 02:46 < fzzbt> look like php, hah 02:46 < fheller> Rob Pike and Andrew G. gave a talk on using Go to build Web Apps at Google I/O, but it's not online yet. 02:47 -!- fmoo [~Adium@66.220.144.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:47 < fheller> It's true: one thing the PHP community learned was to stop inventing template languages because PHP was a template language. I don't know if you were apart of that. 02:47 < fzzbt> i don't think it is a good idea to mix Go code and HTML code 02:47 < fzzbt> :D 02:49 < fheller> So this is definitely not a hit with the Go-ers. I, for one, love it because I don't have to parse a template and if I am using MVC, I can keep my M in Go. 02:53 < fzzbt> i thought the whole idea of MVC was to cleanly separate the different application layers, not mix them together in one big pasta. 02:53 < fheller> I should not have posted that code as the example usage. brb 02:54 < fzzbt> maybe i was taught wrrong. never understood why php is so great. but hey, it must be, because everyone is using it. 02:54 < fheller> PHP is great because the hosting costs are dirt cheap. 02:57 < vsmatck> quote, "...languages that people complain about, and languages that people don't use..." 03:03 -!- benjack [~benjack@bb220-255-251-155.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10 -!- boscop_ [~boscop@g225207191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 03:11 < fheller> fzzbt: I would love to show you my sweet example of displaying the Kitty model but I can't get Go to find my package 03:12 < fzzbt> :| 03:12 < fheller> fzzbt: Oh no, I'm not giving up yet. It's happening 03:13 -!- boscop [~boscop@f055115018.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:26 < fheller> fzzbt: Here's what I mean: http://www.weirdspaceadventures.com/go/test.goh 03:26 -!- kr [~Keith@c-24-5-193-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:27 < fheller> Which then goes to http://www.weirdspaceadventures.com/go/test.go 03:27 < fheller> Which, when viewed, looks like http://www.weirdspaceadventures.com/go/test.html 03:28 < fheller> Here is the bootstrap: http://www.weirdspaceadventures.com/go/bootstrap.go 03:31 < fheller> Although there is a huge downside of writing to the ResponseWriter: it can return an error. I will have to look at ResponseWriter to see if the I/O is buffered 03:31 < gaiusp> new to golang, does go have pattern matching syntax? 03:32 < gaiusp> similar to haskell or erlang. instead of relying on regex only. 03:33 -!- photron_ [~photron@port-92-201-36-47.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 03:33 < fheller> gaiusp: I don't think so--I certainly haven't seen any. Waiting for a Go expert... 03:35 < gaiusp> fheller: ok. thanks. but will be great to add in. nonetheless golang looks interesting. 03:36 -!- galf [~quassel@221.194.177.30] has joined #go-nuts 03:39 -!- fmoo [~Adium@c-76-102-41-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:50 -!- pjm0616 [~user@110.8.235.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:52 -!- fmoo [~Adium@c-76-102-41-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 03:53 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:54 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #go-nuts 03:56 < fzzbt> only regexp, afaik. 03:57 -!- l00t [~i-i3id3r_@189.105.66.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:59 -!- keithcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-atdmpogrsgpwaobj] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02 -!- pjm0616 [~user@110.8.235.86] has joined #go-nuts 04:10 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:11 -!- gaxxx [~woo@li119-190.members.linode.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:13 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 04:15 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:15 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 04:19 -!- dshep [~dshep@c-76-103-91-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:25 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:25 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 04:35 -!- vpit3833 [~chatzilla@203.111.33.203] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [SeaMonkey 2.1b3/20110408111019]] 04:37 -!- gaxxx [~woo@li119-190.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:38 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:39 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-182e3fca.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:41 -!- galf [~quassel@221.194.177.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47 -!- krutcha_ [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:51 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:54 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02 -!- fheller [~hellerf@c-24-9-120-132.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 05:03 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has joined #go-nuts 05:04 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has joined #go-nuts 05:08 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 05:10 -!- krutcha_ [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:12 -!- ExtraSpice [XtraSpice@88.118.35.153] has joined #go-nuts 05:12 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has joined #go-nuts 05:15 -!- Wiz126 [~Wiz@24.229.245.72.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:19 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20 -!- gaxxx [~woo@li119-190.members.linode.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:24 -!- Bigbear11 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:31 -!- gaxxx [~woo@li119-190.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:39 -!- aho [~nya@fuld-590c68db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION] 05:45 -!- benjack [~benjack@bb220-255-251-155.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts 05:50 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.49.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:51 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has joined #go-nuts 05:56 -!- kr [~Keith@c-24-5-193-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 05:58 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.48.64] has joined #go-nuts 05:59 -!- vsayer [~vivek@c-67-170-236-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:00 -!- anticw [~anticw@c-98-210-108-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:01 -!- anticw [~anticw@c-98-210-108-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:03 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.48.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:05 -!- Bigbear11 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05 -!- chomp [~chomp@c-67-186-35-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:18 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.48.64] has joined #go-nuts 06:20 -!- monsieur_max [~monsieur_@212.234.251.58] has joined #go-nuts 06:27 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has joined #go-nuts 06:38 < str1ngs> jeremy_c: you moved iup! 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Some sort of padding? More clarity of code (since they don't have dummy names)? 09:59 < wrtp> xyproto: padding is one use, yes 10:00 < xyproto> wrtp: I see. 10:02 < wrtp> for my somewhat dodgy use, i have a data structure that is basically a parameterised type, only you can express that in go. i'm going to use unnamed fields so that a reflection operation can find out the type parameter... 10:02 < wrtp> s/can express/can't express/ 10:03 < wrtp> DSLs the Go way :-) 10:05 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-nmtvqfdzguamsmpp] has joined #go-nuts 10:06 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:06 < niemeyer> wrtp: Sorry, got disconnected 10:06 -!- tvw [~tv@89.204.137.248] has joined #go-nuts 10:07 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, agreed with your comment 10:08 < niemeyer> wrtp: printf is a pretty a neat filter, actually 10:08 < niemeyer> wrtp: I'll try harder :-) 10:09 < wrtp> i still think your idea of filtering an entire block is a nice one 10:10 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, I can see pretty neat uses for it too 10:10 < niemeyer> wrtp: E.g. {|escape}... code ...{.end} 10:10 < niemeyer> wrtp: I'll push that as the next CL after thi sone 10:11 -!- tvw [~tv@89.204.137.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:12 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has joined #go-nuts 10:12 < niemeyer> wrtp: Haven't been having much time lately.. UDS is taking me the entire day + night. 10:12 < wrtp> niemeyer: i wonder if the syntax might be better as {[field...] | formatter [field...] ...} 10:12 < wrtp> where field could be a string 10:13 < wrtp> then you could do {foo | escape | printf "%5.2g"} 10:14 < wrtp> not a good example! 10:14 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, but I get your point.. perhaps 10:14 < wrtp> {foo | escape | printf "%x"} might be better 10:14 < niemeyer> wrtp: It increases a bit the syntax weight, though.. 10:14 < wrtp> the output from the previous filter would be arg 0 to the next filter, other args following 10:14 < niemeyer> wrtp: Not a good one too.. the output of escape is a string 10:15 < wrtp> you can format strings as hex 10:15 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, that sounds reasonable 10:15 < niemeyer> Oh, really? 10:15 < wrtp> % gotry fmt 'Sprintf("%x", "hello")' 10:15 < wrtp> Sprintf("%x", "hello") = "68656c6c6f" 10:16 < niemeyer> wrtp: Crazy.. :) 10:16 < wrtp> given that you can do it with []byte, it seems logical 10:17 < wrtp> anyway, given the above syntax, the section filtering works naturally 10:17 < niemeyer> wrtp: Agreed 10:17 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-227.eduroam.inholland.nl] has joined #go-nuts 10:17 < wrtp> {| printf "%20s"}some text{.end} 10:18 < wrtp> i quite like that actually 10:18 < wrtp> although it's true it does make the syntax a little heavier 10:19 < wrtp> another possibility is to use a special character to signify the contents of the section, e.g. < 10:20 < wrtp> {< | printf "%20s"}some text{.end} 10:21 < niemeyer> wrtp: Looks unnecessary 10:21 < wrtp> yeah maybe 10:21 < wrtp> it means you can include the contents of the section later in the pipeline 10:21 < niemeyer> wrtp: Although we'll likely have to disambiguate with an empty list passed to a filter 10:21 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-227.eduroam.inholland.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 10:22 < wrtp> is there any ambiguity? 10:23 < niemeyer> wrtp: Not sure.. I haven't really had time to think about all the ins and outs yet.. there might be a use case for an empty argument list for a formatter which generates content 10:23 < wrtp> { import "foo" | annotate < } some annotation stuff {.end} 10:23 < wrtp> that's true 10:24 < wrtp> that's a reason for having something to unambiguously specify the section contents 10:24 < wrtp> < or $ or whatever 10:24 < niemeyer> wrtp: {.pipe | printf "%x"} ... {.end} 10:24 < niemeyer> wrtp: Likely more inline with the existing syntax 10:25 < wrtp> yeah, although i do quite like the flexibility of being able to put the contents anywhere in a formatter's argument list 10:25 < wrtp> it might be too much though 10:25 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, feels like going overboard.. one would have to stare at the line for 30 seconds to understand what it does 10:25 < wrtp> we've already got @ 10:26 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-157-230.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 10:26 < wrtp> i dunno. i think it would read pretty well actually. 10:27 < wrtp> just like a unix pipeline, ls | wc | tee `{cat} 10:28 < wrtp> i wonder how many multi-argument formatters there are currently 10:28 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-acdgzoshbntuptjy] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 10:29 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.88.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:29 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.176.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:35 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, maybe it'd be a good approach 10:37 < niemeyer> wrtp: ! might be a better char for that 10:37 < niemeyer> wrtp: {<|foo} feels like relating to what's on the left hand side 10:37 < wrtp> yeah, i had that thought too 10:37 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@88.128.80.195] has joined #go-nuts 10:38 < wrtp> although it is kinda mnemonic 10:38 < wrtp> not sure about ! 10:38 < niemeyer> wrtp: As a special case, we could interpret {!import} as {!|import} 10:39 < wrtp> i don't think there's a need for the special case 10:39 < niemeyer> {!import}template{.end} 10:39 < niemeyer> wrtp: It just looks/feels nicer 10:39 < wrtp> i think ! is too visually similar to | 10:39 < niemeyer> wrtp: {!escape}foo{.end} 10:39 < wrtp> % ? 10:40 < wrtp> that has some precedent 10:40 -!- Natch| [~natch@c-adcee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:40 < wrtp> (e.g. name of current filename in vi) 10:40 < niemeyer> wrtp: $? 10:40 < niemeyer> Nah.. nevermind 10:40 < niemeyer> That would be extremely confusing 10:40 < wrtp> $ is more often used as a modifier, yeah 10:40 < niemeyer> % looks reasonable 10:41 < wrtp> i think i prefer {% | escape} as the model remains clear 10:42 < wrtp> and {%|import}templatefile{.end} isn't too arduous 10:42 < niemeyer> {.include template} looks pretty good in comparison ;-) 10:43 < wrtp> {|import "template"} 10:43 < wrtp> oh 10:43 < wrtp> hmm 10:44 -!- Natch| [~natch@c-adcee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 10:44 < wrtp> this means that whether you need a {.end} or not depends on whether there's a % in the args 10:44 < wrtp> i'm not sure i'm that happy about that 10:44 < niemeyer> Yep 10:45 < niemeyer> Can't be like that 10:45 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.176.38] has joined #go-nuts 10:45 < wrtp> .pipe would be better 10:45 < wrtp> {.pipe | import} 10:45 < wrtp> {.end} 10:46 < niemeyer> Much better 10:46 < niemeyer> Very aligned with the existing syntax, readable 10:46 < niemeyer> .end with .something also felt weird 10:46 < niemeyer> Erm 10:46 < niemeyer> .end without .something also felt weird 10:46 < wrtp> i think this is orthogonal to the string literal thing 10:47 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, think so too 10:47 < wrtp> (which is the more important issue i think - this is just a "hey, we could do this!" thing) 10:47 < niemeyer> printf still requires it 10:49 < wrtp> yeah 10:49 < wrtp> i think it works ok 10:52 < niemeyer> So three CLs.. string literals, .pipe, and multi-argument formatters 10:52 < niemeyer> I'll push this forward 10:52 < wrtp> niemeyer: i think string literals go with multi-argument formatters 10:53 < niemeyer> wrtp: They can be approved/rejected individually, so I'd rather have them split out in separate CLs 10:53 < wrtp> i think you'll have to rework the tokeniser to do them, and it would be easier to both at the same time 10:53 < wrtp> ok 10:53 < niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, I had a quick look at it and looks pretty simple actually. I'll see if I find some time later today to push the first one 10:53 < wrtp> maybe we could post a little proposal on golang-dev? 10:54 < niemeyer> wrtp: I'd rather just push a branch.. we already bikeshedded enough about it over go-nuts 10:54 < wrtp> ok 10:55 < wrtp> sgtm 10:55 < niemeyer> wrtp: Awesome, thanks for helping to evolve those ideas.. looks much better now 10:56 < niemeyer> Heading to lunch.. back online later 10:57 < wrtp> np. i hope the others like it! 10:57 * mpl is eagerly waiting for those improvements 10:58 < mpl> they will probably help me with my website. 10:59 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:00 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@189.114.182.82.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 11:02 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-nmtvqfdzguamsmpp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07 -!- Kafo [~Kafo@a91-152-189-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 11:15 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:18 -!- madari [madari@idm.irc-galleria.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:18 -!- madari [madari@idm.irc-galleria.net] has joined #go-nuts 11:26 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #go-nuts 11:35 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:41 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has joined #go-nuts 11:45 -!- monsieur_max [~monsieur_@212.234.251.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:48 < vegai> anyone know if those Go mascot plush toys can be bought... so cuddly 11:50 < mpl> vegai: they're probably like the t-shirts, very limited edition. 11:59 -!- sacho [~sacho@87-126-43-168.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.48.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:12 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:15 -!- thomas_b [~thomasb@cm-84.215.47.51.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:16 -!- monsieur_max [~monsieur_@212.234.251.58] has joined #go-nuts 12:19 -!- thomas_b [~thomasb@cm-84.215.47.51.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 12:19 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-074156.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #go-nuts 12:21 * wrtp finds the new reflect interface much more convenient to use 12:24 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:24 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@150.164.2.20] has joined #go-nuts 12:25 < jnwhiteh> wrtp: looks much nicer! 12:27 < wrtp> far fewer type conversions needed 12:32 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:36 -!- eiro [~marc@phear.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38 < skelterjohn> morning 12:38 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:43 < hallas> good afternoon 12:44 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:45 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-227.eduroam.inholland.nl] has joined #go-nuts 12:47 < jeremy_c> Who is the maintainer of godashboard.appspot.com/project? I submitted go-iup but it came back with a python stack trace stating Permission Denied... I figured I'd try it again and then report the error. Trying again I got a project already exists message. 12:47 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-227.eduroam.inholland.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 12:47 < skelterjohn> adg is 12:48 < skelterjohn> the confirmation screen bugs sometimes, but he still gets the message 12:48 -!- jbooth1 [~jay@209.249.216.2] has joined #go-nuts 12:48 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: ok, that was my main concern. 12:48 < skelterjohn> he's in australia (read, probably asleep) 12:48 < skelterjohn> but i bet it will appear sooner or later 12:49 < skelterjohn> so go-iup is working? 12:49 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: yup. 12:49 < skelterjohn> what's it do, again? 12:49 < jeremy_c> There are a few non-essential functions not yet wrapped, but for 95% of apps it's fully functional. 12:49 < skelterjohn> and will it work on my mac? 12:50 < jeremy_c> It is a cross platform GUI toolkit that uses native controls, i.e. on Windows it uses windows controls, on Linux it uses Gtk or Motif (if you want). 12:50 < skelterjohn> and on mac it uses...nothin 12:50 < skelterjohn> g 12:50 < skelterjohn> booty. 12:50 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: not really, not yet. Iup has unofficial support for OS/X but it is not well tested and not at all official. 12:51 < jeremy_c> Some have had problems building it, others report it works fine. The OS/X portion hasn't had a commit in a few months now... The official guys (guys who make Lua) don't seem to interested in picking up OS/X support themselves. 12:56 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has joined #go-nuts 12:56 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: hm, seems like a year, not a couple of months :-/ https://github.com/phasis68/iup_mac ... can you tell if it uses Coca or Carbon? 12:56 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has joined #go-nuts 12:57 < skelterjohn> if there are only .c files and no .m files, it's carbon 12:58 < jeremy_c> yup, seems to be .c files but I see things like #import <Cocoa/Cocoa.h> 12:58 < jeremy_c> https://github.com/phasis68/iup_mac/blob/master/src/mac/iupmac_messagedlg.c ... huh, that's Obj-C. [alert setInformativeText: [NSString....]] 13:03 < skelterjohn> #import is an objc thing 13:03 < skelterjohn> bizarre 13:03 < jeremy_c> Anyway, to answer your question, go-iup doesn't support OS/X right now but when it becomes part of the core Iup, it'll support it automatically. I'd love to have OS/X support for my Iup apps, but know nothing of Carbon/Cocoa development so that's something for those experienced in those areas. 13:09 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:10 < wrtp> does anyone else find the fact that this panics slightly odd? (os.Error(nil)).(os.Error) 13:11 < skelterjohn> not really... 13:11 < skelterjohn> you're asking if the os.Error interface contains an os.Error 13:11 < skelterjohn> it doesn't 13:11 < skelterjohn> i mean, it seems a bit odd to put an interface in an interface 13:11 < skelterjohn> i can't think of how to do that w/out reflect... 13:12 < wrtp> i'm asking if a variable of type os.Error satisfies os.Error... 13:12 < skelterjohn> i don't think that's what you're doing! 13:13 < skelterjohn> nil doesn't satisfy os.Error 13:13 < wrtp> it kinda does, because i can assign nil to an os.Error value... 13:14 < skelterjohn> if you do that and then type assert, what happens? 13:14 < wrtp> it fails - that's what i'm doing above 13:14 < skelterjohn> i meant with = 13:15 < skelterjohn> same thing happens, though 13:15 < skelterjohn> just wanted to check that everything was consistent 13:15 < wrtp> i came across this in reflect - it seems reasonable to do v.Call(...)[0].Interface().(T) where T is the known return type of the function in v. 13:15 < wrtp> but this fails when the function returns nil. 13:15 < wrtp> i think that's awkward 13:16 < skelterjohn> does it usually make sense to type assert to an interface? i don't think i've done that 13:16 < wrtp> yeah, it totally does 13:16 < wrtp> it's very useful too 13:16 < wrtp> it will work if the underlying type implements that interface 13:17 < wrtp> you can use interface types in type switches too 13:17 < skelterjohn> then i don't think your code should panic 13:18 < skelterjohn> since os.Error is clearly assignable to nil :) 13:18 < skelterjohn> or is it the other way around... 13:19 < wrtp> the other way around 13:20 < wrtp> but it would affect type switches. currently if you do a type switch and an interface case is selected, you know that the value is non-nil 13:21 < skelterjohn> a nil case would be useful 13:21 < skelterjohn> but for regular asserts, lots of nil pointer panics would start happening 13:22 < skelterjohn> the spec says that a type assert "asserts that x is not nil and that the value stored in x is of type T." 13:22 < skelterjohn> so it's not a mistake 13:22 < wrtp> sure 13:22 < wrtp> there's a nil case already 13:23 < wrtp> you'd just have to use it more often 13:23 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-157-230.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 13:30 * wrtp is always suspicious when code works first time 13:36 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@113.84.148.155] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.109.241] has joined #go-nuts 13:39 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 13:40 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-074156.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:46 -!- freetz [~fritz@bc-proxy-2.sandia.gov] has joined #go-nuts 13:46 -!- freetz [~fritz@bc-proxy-2.sandia.gov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47 -!- freetz [~fritz@bc-proxy-2.sandia.gov] has joined #go-nuts 13:50 -!- freetz [~fritz@bc-proxy-2.sandia.gov] has quit [Client Quit] 13:53 < str1ngs> yay go-git milestone https://gist.github.com/970558 13:55 < jeremy_c> str1ngs: cool! 13:56 < str1ngs> jeremy_c: that code helped thanks. got me over the commit hump 13:56 < jeremy_c> str1ngs: thanks wrtp not me. I just did what he said :-) 13:57 < str1ngs> luckly I had less work I just need to make a pointer and not arrays 13:58 < wrtp> str1ngs: nice 14:02 -!- pharris [~Adium@rhgw.opentext.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:03 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-078100.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #go-nuts 14:06 -!- zerosanity [~josh@8.20.178.82] has joined #go-nuts 14:06 -!- root___ [~root@122.11.55.144] has joined #go-nuts 14:07 < root___> q 14:07 < root___> exit 14:07 < root___> ; 14:07 < root___> aaaaaaaaa 14:08 < root___> exit; 14:08 < jeremy_c> root___: /quit 14:08 < root___> thanks 14:08 -!- root___ [~root@122.11.55.144] has quit [Client Quit] 14:08 < jeremy_c> :-/ 14:13 < delinka> Does LinkedListNode implement ListNode? I ask because Next() returns *LinkedListNode (which I think should be a ListNode...) http://pastie.org/1896919 14:14 < hallas> It does 14:14 < hallas> I mean 14:14 < hallas> you're correct 14:14 < str1ngs> delinka: you want a double link list? 14:14 < delinka> not here. in another file perhaps. ;-) 14:14 < skelterjohn> no - it'd have to return ListNode 14:15 < skelterjohn> duck typing doesn't happen in signatures 14:16 < str1ngs> delinka: http://golang.org/pkg/container/ some containers 14:16 < str1ngs> just a FYI you might know this already 14:16 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-spkjulowboiwiwkj] has joined #go-nuts 14:17 < delinka> I'm more concerned with learning the nuances of the syntax at the moment, but thanks, str1ngs 14:17 < str1ngs> no problem, sorry to change the subject 14:18 < delinka> skelterjohn: ok, thanks 14:18 < skelterjohn> it would be nice if that kind of thing worked, though, i agree 14:18 < skelterjohn> but the function returns something of a potentially different size (and definitely a different type) than the thing you want 14:23 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:25 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:37 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:43 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #go-nuts 14:45 -!- foocraft_ [~ewanas@78.101.80.210] has joined #go-nuts 14:48 < jeremy_c> How do I initialize a struct with Items []interface{}? type Testing struct { Name string\n Items []interface{} }.. Say I want a resulting structure { Name: "John Doe", Items: { "Jim", 18, "Jane" } } 14:49 < skelterjohn> items : []interface{}{ i1, i2, i3 } 14:50 < jeremy_c> Oh... I forgot the {}, I had []interface{i1, i2, i3} ... duh! 14:51 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has joined #go-nuts 14:54 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-078100.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:55 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.109.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:58 < steven> guys 14:59 < steven> does Go require mercurial, or is it just downloading it from https://go.googlecode.com/hg/ that only requires mercurial? 14:59 < wrtp> jeremy_c: i've done that too many times 14:59 < skelterjohn> keeping in sync with the hg repository requires hg 14:59 < skelterjohn> and goinstall for hg projects 14:59 < skelterjohn> that's all that comes to mind 15:00 < steven> ok so ./all.bash doesnt? 15:00 < steven> sweet. 15:00 < skelterjohn> no, it doesn't 15:01 < steven> thanks 15:02 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-spkjulowboiwiwkj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09 -!- Stiletto [7f000001@69.195.144.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:13 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-074030.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #go-nuts 15:15 -!- Stiletto [7f000001@69.195.144.4] has joined #go-nuts 15:19 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-074030.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:23 -!- Venom_X_ [~pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has joined #go-nuts 15:25 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:33 -!- tux21b [~tux21b@pyhost.srv.tux21b.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:34 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-aehgjsgxqvqofgch] has joined #go-nuts 15:34 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 15:39 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@88.128.80.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:42 -!- foocraft_ [~ewanas@78.101.80.210] has quit [Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!] 15:44 -!- arun_ [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:52 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has left #go-nuts [] 15:55 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED42E59.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:04 -!- monsieur_max [~monsieur_@212.234.251.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:07 -!- exch [~exch@c74149.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:09 -!- exch [~exch@c74149.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts 16:13 -!- tobym [~tobym@75-139-118-127.dhcp.mant.nc.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 16:15 -!- keithgcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-bvkwdbykupllpdkn] has joined #go-nuts 16:20 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 16:22 -!- tvw [~tv@e176004054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:23 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED43A0B.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 16:23 -!- aimxhaisse [~mxs@buffout.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@189.114.182.82.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:32 -!- nteon [~nteon@c-98-210-195-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:38 < steven> is cygwin the only way to get Go running on windows? 16:38 < uriel> steven: no 16:38 < steven> how else? 16:38 < skelterjohn> some people use gb to compile go code without cygwin or make 16:38 < steven> and are there instructions for other ways? 16:39 < uriel> steven: http://code.google.com/p/go/wiki/WindowsPort 16:41 < str1ngs> steven: there is also mingw 16:41 < steven> but either way, its still a unix-like environment? 16:42 < jeremy_c> skelterjohn: I use msys, is that required with gb? 16:42 < str1ngs> I'm not sure go even builds in cygwin 16:42 < skelterjohn> i don't know what msys is 16:42 < skelterjohn> or what it means for gb to require it 16:42 < str1ngs> msys is native windows 16:42 < str1ngs> iirc 16:42 < pharris> msys is a fork of an older version of cygwin. 16:42 < str1ngs> ah sorry I was wrong :P 16:42 < steven> im just basing my question on this: 16:43 < steven> http://golang.org/doc/install.html -> http://code.google.com/p/go/wiki/WindowsPort -> http://code.google.com/p/gomingw/downloads/list 16:43 < skelterjohn> gb and windows is not specifically a sure thing - i don't have a windows machine to test, but i do try to fix things when it goes wrong on windows 16:43 < skelterjohn> when people file issues, etc 16:43 < pharris> I use gb on windows to avoid having to install msys or cygwin. 16:43 < skelterjohn> talk to pharris :) 16:43 < steven> which i guess is just using mingw 16:43 < skelterjohn> he knows what's going on, i do not. 16:43 < pharris> (I do have msys and cygwin on some boxes, but I find them awkward at best) 16:44 < jeremy_c> pharris: so mingw is just in your normal %PATH% then and gb just works? 16:44 < pharris> Once you install http://code.google.com/p/gomingw/downloads/list all you need is gb. 16:44 < pharris> There is no mingw in my PATH. 16:44 < steven> guys 16:44 < steven> im not installing it myself 16:44 < steven> i told a bunch of windows users to install Go 16:44 < jeremy_c> oh. I use msys quite a bit for cgo. 16:44 < steven> and im trying to guess the most likely way they have it installed and running 16:44 < pharris> I had to compile gb by hand (I had to pretend I was make), but everything else is automagically figured out for me by gb. 16:45 < jeremy_c> er, mingw I mean. 16:45 < skelterjohn> pharris: the install.js didn't work? 16:45 < pharris> Something like "8g *.go; 8l 8.out" IIRC. 16:45 < pharris> install.js? There's an install.js now? Is that recent, or did I just miss it? 16:45 < skelterjohn> few months old 16:45 < steven> so how do you think "normals" will install Go on windows? 16:46 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@201.47.27.203.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 16:46 < skelterjohn> steven: do you mean non-devs? 16:46 < steven> no, devs 16:46 < pharris> "normals" won't. Normals will just run the .exe you give them. (Unless you mean normal programmers? is there such a thing?) 16:46 < steven> but ones who arent gonna be able to take your advice 16:46 < steven> ie, they wont know anythign about gb or whatever 16:46 < steven> ok lemme rephrase 16:47 < skelterjohn> i have no idea, since i don't know how *I* would install go on windows 16:47 < steven> if i tell a dev to install Go on windows, is it safe to assume they will probably end up with mingw? 16:47 < skelterjohn> how could anyone answer that question? 16:47 < steven> i dont know man 16:47 < steven> i dont have windows 16:47 < skelterjohn> i guess the only reasonable answer is "no" 16:47 < skelterjohn> it's not "safe" 16:47 < skelterjohn> to assume that 16:48 < steven> so i dont know how mingw works or if its sufficient to run go 16:48 < steven> (programs) 16:48 < jeremy_c> mingw is not required to compile go code. It is required to compile C code or any cgo. 16:48 < pharris> They'll probably end up with http://code.google.com/p/gomingw/downloads/list , which is just 8g and the rest. 16:48 < jeremy_c> mingw is gcc for windows. 16:48 < steven> nevermind. just nevermind. 16:48 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-074030.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #go-nuts 16:48 < steven> oh ok. 16:48 < jeremy_c> msys is a unix like environment (bash shell and basic utilities) for windows. 16:48 < steven> does mingw include make? 16:49 -!- sjbrown [~sjbrown@adsl-99-189-162-6.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:49 < jeremy_c> I think it's optional. I've just been copying my existing mingw/msys install for too long, sorry. 16:49 < skelterjohn> i know it's optional for cygwin 16:49 < steven> so, if i tell them to install Go on windows and they end up at that link, can i assume they're running it in a unix-like environment that pretty much works like mine does? 16:49 < skelterjohn> more unanswerable questions :) 16:51 < steven> k 16:51 < steven> i guess i just have to buy windows and install it all myself 16:51 < steven> so i can know what to expect 16:51 < steven> sigh. 16:52 < skelterjohn> are you leading a group of devs? 16:52 < skelterjohn> most of whom use windows? 16:52 -!- sjbrown [~sjbrown@adsl-99-189-162-6.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #go-nuts [] 16:53 -!- tvw [~tv@e176004054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@c-71-202-44-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:00 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:02 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.176.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03 -!- monsieur_max [~maxime@ip-78.net-89-2-171.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #go-nuts 17:06 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.176.38] has joined #go-nuts 17:10 < str1ngs> steven: do you just need to build go binaries for windows? 17:23 -!- vsayer [~vivek@c-67-170-236-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:24 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has joined #go-nuts 17:33 -!- monsieur_max [~maxime@ip-78.net-89-2-171.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:49 -!- KingPhilroy [~kingphilr@shc-nat-newhall.stonehill.edu] has joined #go-nuts 17:50 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-203-186.allocated.csupomona.edu] has joined #go-nuts 17:52 < nteon> has anyone compiled binaries that use go-gtk for windows? I was going to play around with that this weekend I think 18:04 -!- melter [~Melter@2001:4930:116:0:21c:c0ff:feef:eaf5] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:05 -!- melter [~Melter@2001:4930:116:0:21c:c0ff:feef:eaf5] has joined #go-nuts 18:07 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:08 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-aehgjsgxqvqofgch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13 < uriel> nteon: I'm not sure, you might want to try walk instead 18:13 < uriel> (to write native windows apps) 18:14 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-155-34.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 18:23 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-yaagonzwgtmuznds] has joined #go-nuts 18:23 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 18:31 -!- rcrowley_ [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:31 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31 -!- melter [~Melter@2001:4930:116:0:21c:c0ff:feef:eaf5] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:32 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-203-186.allocated.csupomona.edu] has quit [Quit: achoo] 18:40 < str1ngs> hmm how do I get terminal width in go? 18:40 < aiju> curses? 18:40 < aiju> horrible measures have to be taken to figure out this stuff on *nix ... 18:41 < dlowe> the COLUMNS environment variable 18:41 < dlowe> yes. horrible measures. 18:41 < aiju> dlowe: and that's guaranteed to be right because ...? 18:41 -!- melter [~Melter@2001:4930:116:0:21c:c0ff:feef:eaf5] has joined #go-nuts 18:41 < str1ngs> columns is good I think 18:42 < dlowe> aiju: there's no guaranteed way. You could have a tty that doesn't even know how to relay that information. 18:43 < str1ngs> hmm COLUMNS is not export so I doubt I can see that I think 18:43 < dlowe> there is, however, a good enough way 18:43 < str1ngs> I can probably fork a call to tputs 18:44 < str1ngs> let me try COLUMNS first 18:46 < str1ngs> ya COLUMNS is not exported so I cant see that 18:49 < nteon> uriel: hmm. I guess since all i want my application to be is an embedded web frame and a few buttons it might make sense to just make a GTK app for lin and a wlak one for win 18:57 -!- aimxhaisse [~mxs@buffout.org] has joined #go-nuts 18:57 < nteon> are there any go bindings for cocoa on the mac? 18:59 < ebering> nteon: not that I am aware of 18:59 < skelterjohn> wrtp and i are working (in parallel) on something pretty basic 18:59 < skelterjohn> just something that satisfies exp/draw 19:00 < skelterjohn> but not for the whole widget library, etc 19:00 -!- ekipan [4b1379b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.19.121.178] has joined #go-nuts 19:01 < ekipan> Is there anyone present with authority to edit the Go spec? I noticed an (extremely minor and nitpicky) error in the spec itself. 19:01 < ekipan> To wit: 19:01 < skelterjohn> file an issue 19:02 < skelterjohn> no one can just *edit* it 19:02 < skelterjohn> everything goes through an approval process 19:02 < ekipan> The EmptyStmt production has an empty body, which isn't permitted in the Production metaproduction in the Notation section. 19:03 < ekipan> Which could be fixed by changing Production to read: 19:03 < ekipan> Production = production_name "=" [ Expression ] "." . 19:03 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-204-143.allocated.csupomona.edu] has joined #go-nuts 19:03 < ekipan> I'll file it 19:05 -!- achoo [~achoo@host-134-71-204-143.allocated.csupomona.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 19:06 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-074030.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:07 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.71.157] has joined #go-nuts 19:10 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-155-34.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:11 < ebering> I've read the golang-nuts discussions on operator overloading and how allowing it in general is anti go. However, I really really really wish there were a way to extend the numeric types at least in the case where + really means + and * really means * (i.e. something satisfying the ring axioms (well maybe not associativity thanks to floating point)) 19:11 < ebering> will this ever be possible in go or should I just suck it up and use .Add 19:11 < aiju> ebering: unlikely 19:12 < aiju> ebering: operator overloading is nice for three cases and is abused in all the others 19:12 < aiju> go read some C++ code ;P 19:12 < ebering> aiju: I've seen. I've suffered at its hands 19:13 < ebering> but I am much more often in the case where it is nice: using a numeric type that isn't in the language's type system 19:13 < aiju> but yeah, would make bigint and vectors nicer 19:13 * aiju would be in favour of just adding vector math to the language 19:14 < aiju> ebering: the Plan 9 C compiler (also used for the Go runtime parts written in C) does have operator overloading 19:14 < aiju> undocumented and not widely used though 19:15 < ebering> aiju: but then I'm writing in C again 19:15 < aiju> well, i just meant to say that Ken has implemented in a language 19:15 < aiju> not really suggesting it for actual use 19:16 < ebering> ah 19:16 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:b43f:ec11:f591:236b] has joined #go-nuts 19:16 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-164-16.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 < ebering> also, while vector math would help, it wouldn't get everything. People working with finite fields or exactly numbers of the form a+b*sqrt(2) for a,b integers would still be out in the cold 19:17 < aiju> ebering: yeah sure 19:17 < aiju> or just bigint 19:17 < aiju> i'm well aware of that 19:18 < aiju> vector math is the one usable fortran feature other languages miss 19:19 < vegai> factor has it... sort of 19:19 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.71.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 19:20 < vegai> "sort of" since almost everything in factor is in a library 19:20 -!- jamesmiller5 [b811694a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.17.105.74] has joined #go-nuts 19:21 < aiju> not having operators makes operator overloading easy 19:21 -!- zerosanity [~josh@8.20.178.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22 -!- Venom_X_ [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:24 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:28 -!- jamesmiller5 [b811694a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.17.105.74] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:28 -!- jamesmiller5_ [~jamesmill@184.17.105.74] has joined #go-nuts 19:36 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 19:38 -!- Kissaki [~Kissaki@tango076.server4you.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:39 < Kissaki> I'm nuts for Go! 19:39 < ekipan> I could go for some nuts. 19:39 < Kissaki> Don't touch my nuts! 19:39 < dlowe> I'm glad we're all professionals here. 19:40 < nictuku> 202 people in the channel, is that a record? 19:40 < skelterjohn> no 19:40 < skelterjohn> was mid 200s for a while 19:40 < nictuku> nah, 212 http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23go-nuts&net=freenode 19:41 < Kissaki> that's almost mid-200s 19:41 < skelterjohn> i remember specifically commenting on the fact that it was 256 once 19:41 < nictuku> that's only 2 weeks also 19:41 < skelterjohn> that was maybe a year ago 19:41 < Kissaki> ^^ 19:42 < str1ngs> record is 212/ 19:42 < str1ngs> ? 19:42 < Kissaki> are there job openings for go-dev yet? 19:42 < nictuku> 212 was the max only for the past two weeks 19:42 < str1ngs> ah ok 19:43 < str1ngs> we need less people imo. less mouths to feed :P 19:43 < skelterjohn> i'm struggling to connect that metaphor to the success of go 19:43 < jeremy_c> spend helping newbies with things that they (I) should read for themselves in the manual :-) 19:44 < jeremy_c> time 19:46 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: attraction rather then promotion 19:49 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:54 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.68.164] has joined #go-nuts 19:57 -!- roo [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit [Ping timeout: 624 seconds] 19:57 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-164-16.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:10 -!- m4dh4tt3r1 [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:10 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:11 -!- m4dh4tt3r1 [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13 -!- m4dh4tt3r1 [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:14 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14 -!- m4dh4tt3r1 [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:15 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@78.100.213.28] has joined #go-nuts 20:17 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:19 -!- ekipan [4b1379b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.19.121.178] has left #go-nuts [] 20:21 < ebering> if I am using container/ring and I would like to guarantee that it is a Ring of some type T is there a better way than r.Do(func (x interface{}){ x.(T) }) ? 20:21 -ww:#go-nuts- es ist immer sechs urh 20:21 < ebering> erm. a Ring where every Value field is of some type T 20:21 -ww:#go-nuts- es ist immer sechs uhr 20:26 < skelterjohn> you can wrap it 20:26 < skelterjohn> make a class that composites Ring, but add types to the methods 20:26 < ww> embed it in your own type, and use a setter/getter that enforces type? 20:27 < ww> i'm not sure i like this Value interface{} part of ring 20:27 < skelterjohn> ? 20:28 < ww> maybe it mixes up ring behaviour with third party data 20:28 < ww> maybe if you were to have ring without Value, and use it by embedding... 20:28 < ww> maybe not 20:29 * ww shrugs. sechs uhr. time for ginnan tonix 20:32 < ebering> ww: I think so, since the embed a ring and make a new value field is the way I'm going to do it? 20:37 < ww> is tabwriter new? 20:37 < skelterjohn> nope 20:38 -!- pamera [~Pam@c-76-102-255-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 20:40 < str1ngs> ww: nope but its awesome! 20:42 * ww new discovery 20:44 -!- edsrzf [~edsrzf@122-61-221-144.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #go-nuts 20:48 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 20:48 -!- rcrowley_ [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:53 < ww> is there a canned package that glues log to syslog or do you have to wire it up yourself? 20:53 < taruti> Does anyone know what is the license of https://github.com/blynn/nex ? 20:55 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@201.47.27.203.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:01 -!- rcrowley_ [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:01 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09 < ebering> ww: as currently written ring.Do does not play nice with embedding 21:13 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:16 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:17 < ww> Value = self? 21:17 < ww> kludge 21:18 -!- rcrowley_ [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18 < ebering> also ugh. == is not like plt scheme's (equal) 21:19 < justinlilly> what is == ? 21:19 < justinlilly> oh, are you talking about the lisp = vs eq vs equal? 21:19 < ebering> yes 21:20 < ebering> I am working with 2d shapes over a weird number system. Writing .Equal all the way down is an annoyance 21:21 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.93.207] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 21:21 < justinlilly> what do you mean all the way down? 21:21 < justinlilly> code snippet? 21:21 < str1ngs> ww: http://golang.org/pkg/syslog/ 21:22 < str1ngs> ww: I guess log to that writer 21:22 < ww> str1ngs: s/that writer/those writers/ 21:23 < ww> yes, a pretty straightforward bit of wiring... but one so common that i wondered if it mightn't already be done in some default way 21:23 < ebering> justinlilly: http://pastebin.ca/2058580 21:23 < str1ngs> ww: I only see one writer in syslog 21:23 < ww> writers for each log level... 21:24 < ww> you call Dial, it gives you a new writer 21:24 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:24 < str1ngs> ok but you get the idea no? 21:24 < justinlilly> ebering: ahh. meaning you don't want ot have to write a .Equal method for each of the structs. Gotcha. 21:24 < ww> you'd typically Dial(INFO), Dial(DEBUG), Dial(WARN), Dial(ERR) 21:25 < ww> str1ngs: yes i know how it works, just that its a bunch of silly housekeeping that i would have thought would be defaulted 21:26 < ww> i mean i can use syslog from C or Python without a dozen lines of initialistaion 21:26 < skelterjohn> ebering: you can make ring.Do work - you just have to create an intermediate function 21:26 < str1ngs> syslog.Info("hello") 21:27 < ww> str1ngs: yes, but then i lose the wiring to the standard logger. which is important because when you are writing daemons you almost always want a do-not-fork-log-to-console-mode 21:27 < str1ngs> ww: see New 21:28 < str1ngs> which returns a Writer 21:28 < ww> yes, which i have to wire up to a bunch of log.Loggers which is what i'm griping about 21:28 < str1ngs> you may have to create a logger for each Priority though 21:28 * ww gripes 21:29 < str1ngs> might be a better way I agree 21:29 -!- wjlroe [~will@212.13.195.250] has joined #go-nuts 21:30 < wjlroe> How can you compile a case-insensitive regexp in Go? 21:31 < str1ngs> ww: http://golang.org/pkg/syslog/#NewLogger 21:31 < str1ngs> ww: :) 21:32 * ww is blind argh 21:33 < str1ngs> ww: All messages are logged with priority p. worries me though. but I'll let you find out 21:33 < ebering> justinlilly: yes, esp. since things will be built on top of them that may need deep equality as well 21:34 < ww> yes, you still need one for each but that's fine 21:34 < nictuku> ww, no you don't 21:34 < ww> i'd go further and make Debug.Print(), Info.Print() etc 21:34 < ww> but... 21:35 < nictuku> I wrote the syslog package. 21:35 < nictuku> the new logger would have that priority as default 21:35 < ebering> oh hey. reflect.DeepEqual exists 21:36 * ebering went to look at reflect because it would be the place to start writing such a thing 21:36 < ww> nictuku: and you change it how? 21:36 < nictuku> ww, but then you can call a different method 21:36 < skelterjohn> the deep equal problem is NP-hard. 21:36 < ww> well, i htink main goes and puts Debug = default_logger or Debug = syslog_debug_logger depending on command line flag 21:37 < ww> that way the rest of the program doesn't have to know what the difference is 21:37 < ebering> skelterjohn: not for rings of points 21:38 < skelterjohn> no, not for a ring of points 21:38 < ww> ebering: you could (ab)use Complex for 2d 21:39 < skelterjohn> can't you == a struct {x, y float64}? 21:39 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 21:39 < ebering> skelterjohn: maybe in the implementation? spec says == doesn't work on arrays and structs, period. 21:39 < skelterjohn> nope 21:40 < skelterjohn> right, it doesn't 21:40 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:40 < ebering> ww: I'm using numbers of the form a+b*sqrt(2) where a,b are int64s, and I need a plane of them 21:41 < skelterjohn> i don't think it's really that necessary to bend syntax around this problem 21:41 < skelterjohn> just write some .Equals() methods 21:41 < skelterjohn> takes less time than this conversation 21:41 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 21:42 < ebering> skelterjohn: I'm more just sad that syntax didn't work as I had hoped coming from scheme land 21:43 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:b43f:ec11:f591:236b] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45 * ww wonders if looking at some google i/o talks live counts as live television for the purposes of the tv license... 21:47 -!- rcrowley_ [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:47 -!- rcrowley [~rcrowley@173-164-219-53-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54 -!- l00t [~i-i3id3r_@189.105.66.232] has joined #go-nuts 21:59 -!- bthomson [~bthomson@pool-71-114-64-197.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:00 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED43A0B.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:01 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01 < Tonnerre> Hm 22:02 < Tonnerre> Is there a nice library to do Go RPCs from C code? 22:02 < Tonnerre> Or the other way around? 22:02 < Tonnerre> (e.g. a Go SUNRPC library) 22:03 < Tonnerre> Or will I have to resort to C bindings? 22:03 < str1ngs> Tonnerre: you want to call go code from C? 22:03 < ww> Protobuf? 22:03 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 22:03 < Tonnerre> str1ngs: over the network 22:04 < Tonnerre> Either I teach the C server to export a Go RPC API or I call SUNRPC stuff from Go 22:04 < Tonnerre> Those are my choices 22:04 < ww> or the jsob rpc 22:04 < Tonnerre> JSON? No way 22:05 < ww> protobuf then 22:05 < str1ngs> Tonnerre: what do you mean by go rpc? 22:05 < str1ngs> Tonnerre: there are more then one rpc implimentation in the stdlib 22:06 < str1ngs> http://golang.org/pkg/rpc/ I assume? 22:08 < Tonnerre> str1ngs: not sure; that was not the jsonrpc thing, right? 22:08 < str1ngs> Tonnerre: no jsonrpc uses it though 22:09 < Tonnerre> str1ngs: it was $something over HTTP? 22:09 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09 < str1ngs> it can be yes 22:09 < str1ngs> generally thats how it is used 22:12 -!- hallas [~hallas@x1-6-30-46-9a-b2-c5-1f.k891.webspeed.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has joined #go-nuts 22:14 < ebering> 2 22:14 < Tonnerre> str1ngs: but is there a C interface for it? 22:16 < str1ngs> Tonnerre: not in the way you think. why protobuf would be better.. I assume there is a C api for it 22:17 < str1ngs> http://code.google.com/apis/protocolbuffers/docs/overview.html 22:17 < str1ngs> meh why does it need to be C? 22:17 < str1ngs> just use go on both ends imo 22:18 < Tonnerre> That's not possible 22:18 < Tonnerre> I'm trying to interface with existing C code 22:18 < Tonnerre> Which cannot be ported either 22:18 < str1ngs> there is gccgo 22:19 < Tonnerre> Also, the C code is running on other servers 22:19 < str1ngs> where you can in theory call go code with. but I have not tried it 22:20 < Tonnerre> I just want to send RPCs to it somehow 22:21 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.68.164] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 22:22 < str1ngs> it seems you cannot modify the C code? 22:22 < Tonnerre> Maybe I could, but I really just want to contact it over the net like the other users 22:23 < str1ngs> then maybe write sunrpc for go? 22:23 < str1ngs> seems it understands that? 22:23 < Tonnerre> I guess that's my best shot then 22:24 < Tonnerre> Is there something for the opposite direction? 22:25 < str1ngs> in go you mean I doubt it you would have to write it 22:25 < str1ngs> but ask on the ML about this 22:25 < jamesmiller5_> why not us json? there are lots of C bindings for json. It's better than writing your own rpc protocol 22:26 < Tonnerre> jamesmiller5_: for one because I don't have unlimited network bandwidth 22:26 < jamesmiller5_> you can compress it as well 22:26 < str1ngs> you can compress 22:26 < str1ngs> grr sorry redundant 22:28 < jamesmiller5_> Tonnerre: imho i would solve one problem at a time, writing your own rpc protocol and debugging that sounds like more trouble that its worth 22:28 < Tonnerre> jamesmiller5_: it's not exactly «my own protocol» 22:28 < Tonnerre> It's the same thing people have been using for the last 30 years 22:28 < jamesmiller5_> Tonnerre: your own *implementation* 22:30 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30 -!- vzx [~ryan@74-129-201-27.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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