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03:59 < dieselpowered> Does anyone have experience accessing struct unions
with cgo?
04:01 < dieselpowered> It seems like a real pain to me and I feel like I
might be missing something...
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04:49 < exch> dieselpowered: did you get the answer to your union question?
If not, cgo represents unions as fixed size byte arrays.  You'll need to use
manualy bit twiddling or the encoding/binary package to red the appropriate values
from it.
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05:03 < dieselpowered> exch: Yea, that's what I was afraid of.  Although I
just found a likely less painful suggestion on the mailing list
http://bit.ly/lAtpms
05:04 < dieselpowered> exch: thanks though
05:04 < exch> yea that could work as well
05:05 < dieselpowered> goyaml seems to be doing something like that
(https://launchpad.net/goyaml).  So I'm going to try that angle.
05:09 < uriel> just say no to YAML
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05:11 < dieselpowered> haha, not that I support YAML.  I just need to peek
at their sources.
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05:59 < B3AN> join gcc
06:00 < vegai> don't do it!
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06:06 < elimisteve> Q: Can the experimental Go Runtime handle concurrent
requests?
06:06 < elimisteve> A: Not currently.
06:07 < elimisteve> so is Go on App Engine limited in the same way Python is
"naturally"?  I thought we could have multiple goroutines chugging along in the
one allotted thread?
06:11 < _dfc> elimisteve: that is correct
06:12 < Namegduf> I think they mean "in parallel"
06:12 < _dfc> however the maximum value of GOMAXPROCS supported under app
engine
06:12 < _dfc> is one
06:12 < Namegduf> To be pedantic.
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06:13 < Namegduf> While I'm no fan of YAML, a non-shit config format is
desirable and JSON is neither designed for, nor good at the job.
06:13 < Namegduf> And the ability to include sections in each other, have
first-class support for listing multiple values for a setting, etc
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06:13 < str1ngs> Namegduf: I agree.
06:13 < elimisteve> _dfc: which is correct?  Go is limited like Python, or
Go can have many goroutines running at once on GAE?
06:13 < Namegduf> Or multiple instances of a multivariate item.
06:14 < Namegduf> elimisteve: Go can have many goroutines running, but only
one active thread executing on the CPU.
06:14 < elimisteve> thank you
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06:54 < GeertJohan> goodmorning :)
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06:54 < jessta_> morning
06:55 < cenuij> moin
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08:49 < mpl> hmm, if I have something like 'foo, err := somefunc()' and err
is not nil, can I consider in the following that foo has already been declared and
been assigned its zero value?  or is it not even declared?
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08:51 < mpl> hmm I suppose it is declared, and what is assigned to it
actually depends on the implementation of somefunc.
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08:56 < jessta_> mpl: yep
08:56 < mpl> kthx
08:57 < jessta_> the convention is that foo may not actually be nil(but
usually is) but you should check err before using it
09:01 < uriel> mpl: err is a return value like any other
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09:01 < uriel> but note the convention jessta_ mentioned
09:02 < jessta_> mpl: eg.  Read(p []byte) (n int, err os.Error) may return
valid data in p and an err that isn't nil(because it's an os.EOF)
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09:07 < mpl> yeah.  I just needed to be sure that foo is declared as long as
somefunc returns.  the rest I knew.
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10:08 < hdon-> hi all :) how come my binaries are so huge?  i ran 6g and 6l
on a short program (the fib example from golang.org) and it's 220k!
10:09 < Namegduf> Go is statically linked, so that binary contains all it
needs to run.
10:09 < vegai> 220k is not much
10:09 < vegai> ...for a statically linked program
10:09 < Namegduf> While that may seem large, there is no 50MB library you're
dependent on.
10:10 < Namegduf> It also includes debug inofmration in produced binaries,
which bloats the size a lot.
10:10 < vegai> besides, how did you get your binary to be so small?  On my
machine, the simplest programs are over 1M binaries
10:11 < vegai> wait, that program wasn't so simple after all...  :)
10:11 < vegai> yeah 224K.  That's better
10:11 < vegai> oh, and it's *really* statically linked, not even needing
libc
10:12 < vegai> as opposed to 'statically linked' programs that the haskell
compiler makes
10:12 < nsf> hdon-: I recently had an experiment with my own compiler
(whatever language it is) written in C++
10:12 < nsf> dynamically linked LLVM makes load time 10ms longer
10:12 < nsf> statically linked it bloats executable up to 10 megs
10:12 < nsf> but it loads faster
10:12 < nsf> dynamic linking is evil
10:12 * vegai agrees
10:13 < vegai> and to make it more distressing, almost everyone seems to
disagree with that notion :(
10:13 < hdon-> meh, depends how often you are spawning new processes i guess
:)
10:13 < hdon-> it's a pain to update all your binaries just to update a lib
10:13 < Namegduf> hdon-: Not really.
10:13 < nsf> but you don't have to update all your binaries
10:14 < nsf> unless they are really buggy :)
10:14 < jessta_> vegai: the arguments for dynamic linking are easy to
understand, the arguments against it are more complicated
10:14 < hdon-> nsf, :P
10:14 < nsf> well, you update a library for a reason right
10:14 < nsf> bugs were fixed
10:14 < nsf> optimizations were applied
10:14 < vegai> classic argument #2: with static linking, KDE would be
gigabytes in size!
10:14 < nsf> new stuff appeared
10:14 < nsf> vegai: :D
10:15 * hdon- is not here for static vs.  dynamic wars
10:15 < nsf> hdon-: too late, it's already started
10:15 < nsf> lol
10:15 < hdon-> thanks for answering my question guys
10:15 < uriel> hdon-: see mailing list archives, binary size has been
discused to death
10:15 * hdon- is not surprised
10:16 < nsf> hdon-: and the best answer to your question I think is: it has
nothing to do with the language itself, it's just a compiler implementation
10:16 < uriel> in short: Go is statically linked, Go includes reflection
info and so on, there has been pretty much zero binary-size optimizations
10:16 < hdon-> oh another side question: do people use Go to develop Android
apps using NDK?
10:16 < uriel> hdon-: not yet, there seems to be some work on that area that
is not quite ready
10:17 < uriel> again, this was mentioned in the list not long ago
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10:19 < vegai> as a silly comparison, hello world compiled by ghc: 917K, and
it's not even statically compiled (linked against libc, libdl, librt, libm,
libgmp...)
10:20 < nsf> interesting
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10:24 * vegai groans at C and its "strings"
10:24 < nsf> what's wrong with C's strings?
10:24 < vegai> a larger program has a function that returns a static string
10:25 < vegai> quite hard to change it without going through everything
10:25 < vegai> but oh well.  Sorry for ot
10:26 < vegai> in go, I could just...  change it and everything would be
fine
10:27 < nsf> a static string?
10:27 < vegai> is that the wrong term...  hmm
10:27 < vegai> foo() { return "BAR"; }
10:27 < nsf> ah, I see
10:28 < nsf> and why do you want to change it?
10:28 < vegai> because foo takes an int code that I would like to include in
the return string
10:29 < vegai> foo(int code) { char buf[256]; sprintf(buf, "%d", code);
return buf; } as a classic wrong way to do it :)
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10:31 < nsf> ah, I see
10:31 < nsf> yes, memory management requires some care
10:31 < vegai> yep
10:31 < nsf> and in GCed language it just works
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12:57 < nsf> O_o
12:57 < nsf> os_posix.go:15: undefined: signal.Signal
12:58 < nsf> for some reason after running all.bash
12:58 < nsf> mkunixsignals.sh didn't generated anything
12:58 < nsf> and ALL TESTS PASSED
12:58 < nsf> how is it possible
12:58 < nsf> :\
12:59 * nsf is running all.bash again
13:00 < nsf> ah, ok, signals moved to 'os'
13:00 < exch> ya
13:00 < nsf> and no fix in gofix :(
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13:13 < saml> is go better than scala?
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13:14 < exch> that's a rather subjective question
13:14 < sav> is banana better than strawberry?
13:14 < aiju> sav: yes
13:14 < aiju> *saml
13:14 < exch> people in here will prlly all say Yes, while those in a scala
chan will say no
13:14 < aiju> of course we are right
13:14 < exch> naturally
13:14 < nsf> I know no Scala
13:14 < saml> i know
13:14 < aiju> scala is just a plot by sun
13:15 < aiju> to enslave humanity
13:15 < exch> scala as a language isn't that bad.  The insanely lenghty
build times of its compiler made me cringe though
13:15 < nsf> exch: longer than C++?
13:15 < exch> it's a close match
13:16 < nsf> then just throw it away, Go is better than Scala
13:16 < nsf> :)
13:16 < saml> so go will be more mainstream than scala?
13:16 < aiju> we can't tell
13:16 < saml> how can i help to make go more mainstream than scala?
13:17 < exch> I dont think either one will for a while, but thats ok
13:17 < GeertJohan> saml: you could try bombing sun..  but at the other hand
I think its better to just use and promote Go :)
13:17 < exch> By jusst using it and telling your coworkers/friends about it.
Just show them some of your Go work and consequently convince them that it makes
much more sense
13:17 < aiju> bombing sun sounds like i really good idea
13:17 < aiju> *a
13:17 < aiju> i'll supply the bombs
13:18 < aiju> does someone have access to weapon grade plutonium?
13:18 < nsf> saml: write a really awesome Go compiler
13:18 < nsf> which is faster than the current one and produces better code
13:18 < GeertJohan> aiju: my uncle yuri does...
13:18 < GeertJohan> @FBI agent watching this chan: I'm only kidding..
13:19 < nsf> and generates ELF object files :)
13:19 < GeertJohan> XD
13:19 < GeertJohan> I think Go is to immature to write a real good compiler
for it..
13:19 < saml> doesn't go have compiler already?  6g
13:19 < nsf> and supports shared libraries (even though I hate them)
13:20 < nsf> saml: make a better one
13:20 < saml> okay.  done.
13:20 < GeertJohan> cant we write a go compiler in go ?
13:20 < saml> 8g
13:20 < nsf> :)
13:20 < exch> Go has two compilers..  Go's own ones 6/8/5g and a gcc
frontend
13:20 < saml> and there's windows port
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13:20 < Argonneintern> hello scientists!
13:20 < GeertJohan> again: cant we write a go compiler in go :p ?
13:20 < saml> write one on jvm so that it can compete with scala
13:20 < exch> GeertJohan: you could if you wanted to
13:20 < saml> why not..  it's up to you
13:21 < nsf> GeertJohan: why do you need one?
13:21 < saml> i need go ide
13:21 < nsf> saml: try goclipse
13:21 < Namegduf> Hmm.
13:21 < nsf> and gocode
13:21 < saml> do you use ctags with go?  does it work?
13:21 < GeertJohan> saml: goclipse :)
13:21 < Namegduf> saml: There's a fork of ctags adding support, and yes, it
works well.
13:21 < saml> and go repl
13:21 < GeertJohan> nsf: ah yes,, just for fun I guess :p
13:21 < nsf> saml: https://github.com/nsf/gocode
13:21 < Namegduf> No Go REPL, but the language could support it well.
13:22 < saml> so, let's start with repl first then
13:22 < saml> who wants to take repl project?
13:22 < Namegduf> Oooh, Go bindings to FUSE
13:22 < saml> there are a few..  but no good
13:22 < Namegduf> Nah, I have other stuff to do
13:22 < saml> nsf, nice
13:22 < jessta_> saml: have you seen exp/eval package?
13:23 < nsf> GeertJohan: just for fun, write it in krawl :)
13:23 < saml> nope
13:23 < nsf> GeertJohan: https://github.com/nsf/krawl
13:23 < saml> you program too much
13:23 < nsf> too much?
13:24 < saml> yes.  aren't you tired?  your eyes?
13:24 < nsf> I consider myself as a lazy programmer
13:24 < nsf> so, nope
13:24 < nsf> :)
13:24 < exch> thre's no such thing as programming too much
13:25 < saml> i see.  i get tired
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13:25 < nsf> I can't remember if I said this or no
13:25 < nsf> I've added semicolon insertion in my lang
13:26 < nsf> for some reason that's the first thing that Go people was
asking
13:26 < nsf> "semicolons?"
13:26 < nsf> :)
13:26 < nsf> were*
13:26 < nsf> https://github.com/nsf/krawl/blob/master/examples/tetris.krl
13:26 < nsf> :P
13:27 < nsf> btw
13:27 < nsf> what about templates in Go
13:27 < nsf> any new proposals lately?
13:27 * nsf is not following mailing list
13:27 < saml> why comment is black blocks?
13:27 < nsf> saml: it's unicode art
13:27 < nsf> tetris!
13:27 < saml> krl is go?
13:28 < nsf> no
13:28 < nsf> it has Go syntax
13:28 < saml> but semantics is diffrent?
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13:28 < nsf> yes, it's unsafe, has pointer arithmetic, has union types and
the type system is mostly modeled after C's
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13:28 < saml> no garbage collection?
13:28 < nsf> no
13:29 < Namegduf> It's basically designed as a very C compatible,
Go-inspired language
13:29 < nsf> sort of, yeah
13:29 < Namegduf> So it doesn't need to actually fight the C universe for
dominance
13:29 < Namegduf> But can be smoothly used in it.
13:29 < saml> are you getting paid for krawl?
13:29 < Namegduf> That's my understanding, anyway.
13:29 < nsf> no
13:29 < nsf> Namegduf: you're right
13:30 < nsf> it's sort of an experiment, how easily can one fix some of the
C problems while staying very compatible with all the environment
13:31 < Argonneintern> is it ok if newbies are using go and ask for go help
13:31 < saml> does it have lambda?
13:31 < nsf> Argonneintern: sure
13:31 < nsf> saml: no
13:31 < saml> does it compile to C?
13:31 < nsf> saml: no, it uses LLVM as a backend
13:31 < Argonneintern> so I'm fairly ok with programming in go itself.  But
I'm trying to compile a 32 bit binary for another distro i'm packaging it with
13:32 < saml> oh compiler is in C++
13:32 < nsf> saml: yep
13:32 < aiju> it would have been too easy otherwise
13:32 < nsf> Argonneintern: and your system is?  x86_64?  are you interested
in cross-compiling?
13:32 < Argonneintern> yes
13:32 < Argonneintern> yes to all of that lol
13:32 < aiju> GOARCH=386 ./all.bash
13:32 < aiju> all you need
13:33 < aiju> then you can build it with 8g/8l
13:33 < Argonneintern> so if I set the shell variable in shell it will still
work
13:33 < nsf> yes, it will build Go suite for x86
13:33 < Argonneintern> I don't need to do some fancy voodoo editing a file
13:33 < aiju> no
13:33 < aiju> cd yourgorepo ; GOARCH=386 ./all.bash
13:33 < Argonneintern> thanks I'll give it a shot, whill 6g stillw ork?
13:33 < Argonneintern> or do I just set that variable
13:34 < nsf> Argonneintern: it should just work
13:34 < Argonneintern> ok thanks lemme give it a shot
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13:40 < Argonneintern> we decided to use go for a project just for fun :)
13:40 < Argonneintern> I'm not a huge fan of python so it was a good kind of
middle ground for me from C++
13:40 < nsf> Argonneintern: good choice
13:41 < Argonneintern> I know the go concurrency is cool, but honestly the
things I love most are, no semicolons, :=, and multiple returns
13:42 < nsf> e.g.  the syntax
13:42 < Argonneintern> lol yeah
13:42 < saml> i don't like :=
13:43 < Argonneintern> I do, for example you have an error already defined
but you are creating a new variable for the data returned on a function
13:43 < nsf> oh, wait, e.g.  is different
13:43 < saml> i like BEGIN DEFINITION INTRODUCE NEW NAME "x" OF TYPE INTEGER
OF 32BITS IN THE SCOPE OF "foo"
13:43 < nsf> I meant i.e.
13:43 < nsf> :D
13:43 < Argonneintern> you don't have to explicitly create the new var
13:43 < saml> END DEFINITION
13:43 < nsf> latin..
13:43 < Argonneintern> you can just data, error := func()
13:44 < nsf> Argonneintern: well, I personally dislike Go's ':=' semantics
13:44 < nsf> I have changed it in my lang slightly, but haven't used it much
yet
13:44 < nsf> in my semantics it's a bit explicit
13:44 < nsf> if error was declared before already
13:44 < nsf> you have to write:
13:44 < nsf> data, (error) := func()
13:44 < nsf> it will declare 'date' and will reuse 'error'
13:45 < Argonneintern> so it doesn't do any checking
13:45 < Argonneintern> other then the paren
13:45 < nsf> yes, it's dumb
13:45 < Argonneintern> not really
13:45 < nsf> and I like it
13:45 < nsf> no, I mean my version is dumb
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13:45 < Namegduf> Stupid is good
13:45 < Namegduf> Heh.
13:45 < nsf> if it sees an identifier on the LHS, it tried to declare a var
13:45 < Argonneintern> well yours willc ompile that much faster lol
13:45 < nsf> otherwise it uses an existing var or whatever it is
13:46 < nsf> tries*
13:46 < nsf> so, actually things like that are possible:
13:46 < nsf> var s Struct;
13:46 < nsf> s.field1, err := func();
13:46 < nsf> s.field2, (err) := func();
13:46 < nsf> even that
13:46 < nsf> doesn't declare anything :D
13:47 < nsf> equivalent of:
13:47 < nsf> s.field2, err = func();
13:47 < nsf> oops
13:47 < nsf> damn
13:47 < nsf> semicolons
13:47 < Namegduf> You know
13:47 < skelterjohn> anyone know why i might be getting an EOF from trying
to read stdin in a test?
13:47 < Namegduf> It might be interesting in your language to steal a
functional concept
13:48 < Namegduf> And have = behave as := does
13:48 < Namegduf> And scrap :=
13:48 < nsf> Namegduf: hehe, no
13:48 < nsf> only := can declare things, that's important
13:48 < nsf> I think
13:48 < Argonneintern> so I changed GOARCH and did ./all.bash
13:48 < nsf> skelterjohn: are you on mac?
13:49 < skelterjohn> yes
13:49 < Argonneintern> at the end it still said my compiler was 6g
13:49 < nsf> skelterjohn: mac is weird :D
13:49 < skelterjohn> this didn't use to happen
13:49 < nsf> skelterjohn: I have the same problem in termbox
13:49 < skelterjohn> the code i'm running right now behaved differently last
time i ran it, which was several months ago
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13:50 < nsf> for some reason mac sets EOF sometimes
13:50 < nsf> on stdin
13:50 < nsf> :\
13:50 < nsf> I don't have a mac
13:50 < nsf> so can't say more
13:50 < nsf>
https://github.com/guncha/termbox/commit/2972c7b48f8ea82c80e9711d2c2ab65232b4e7ee
13:51 < nsf> but it makes problems :)
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13:51 < Argonneintern> so yeah, I'm not sure if I did something wrong but it
won't compile 32bit
13:51 < nsf> Argonneintern: :(
13:51 < Argonneintern> I know, I fail
13:52 < nsf> Argonneintern: you should ask that on the mailing list
13:52 < nsf> no
13:52 < Argonneintern> GOARCH is 386 when I echo it
13:52 < nsf> it's possible that something is wrong
13:52 < skelterjohn> do you export it?
13:52 < Argonneintern> (facepalm)
13:52 < skelterjohn> :)
13:52 < Argonneintern> can you explain exporting real quick
13:52 < aiju> export GOARCH
13:53 < skelterjohn> sub-programs can only see env vars that are exported
13:53 < Argonneintern> ahh
13:53 < skelterjohn> i'm not sure what the point of not exporting a var is
13:53 < aiju> if you write "GOARCH=386 ./all.bash" (one command)
13:53 < aiju> you don't need to export it
13:53 < skelterjohn> that also works
13:53 < aiju> skelterjohn: "performance"
13:53 < Argonneintern> oh I did it in 2 commands
13:53 < Argonneintern> go figure
13:53 < aiju> some shells (like rc) got rid of this entirely
13:53 < skelterjohn> what aiju said exports that for the one command
13:53 < skelterjohn> but forgets after it finishes
13:54 < aiju> i prefer writing it that way, else i might forget i had that
variable set
13:55 < Argonneintern> so after running ./all.bash that variable is gone
13:56 < aiju> yeah
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13:58 < Argonneintern> ok that definately worked
13:58 < Argonneintern> thanks guys
13:59 < skelterjohn> great!
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15:01 < Argonneintern> so apparently kate supports go syntax
highlighting..sweet
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15:08 < cenuij> some day I might get round to a kate plugin for nsf's code
completion daemon
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while back, but i've no idea what came of that.
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17:36 < kevlar_work> is it possible to get a true statically linked
executable out of the go linker?
17:37 < kevlar_work> I'm trying to use a binary on an incredibly basic linux
system with essentially nothing but busybox.
17:37 < dlowe> that's about all you get
17:38 < kevlar_work> dlowe, hmm?
17:38 < aiju> hm it used to be statically linked, unless you use cgo
17:38 < skelterjohn> it still dynamically links things like libc, etc
17:38 < skelterjohn> all go code will be statically linked
17:38 < kevlar_work> and pthreads and apparently something with net
17:38 < skelterjohn> i could be wrong
17:38 < aiju> but i remember that they had to change this
17:38 < aiju> but i'm repressing it
17:38 < aiju> because it is so horrible and evil
17:39 < kevlar_work> linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fff303ff000) / libc.so.6
=> /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007ffb2dde0000) / libpthread.so.0 =>
/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007ffb2dbc4000) / /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
(0x00007ffb2e133000)
17:39 < aiju> kevlar_work: is it pure go?
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17:39 < kevlar_work> aiju, as pure as it gets.
17:39 < aiju> i.e.  no cgo in any lib?
17:39 < kevlar_work> correct.
17:39 < aiju> uh humm
17:39 < kevlar_work> though it really looks like net is pulling in cgo when
I try the -d flag
17:40 < kevlar_work> 6l: /opt/go/pkg/linux_amd64/net.a(_cgo_import.6):
cannot use dynamic imports with -d flag
17:40 < taruti> there really should be an NO_CGO_NET flag
17:40 < aiju> PLEASE_BE_SANE
17:40 < kevlar_work> so net requires libc?
17:41 < kevlar_work> cause I think this system only has uClibc
17:41 < aiju> go shouldn't require libc at all
17:41 < taruti> or you can use an older version of go
17:41 < kevlar_work> taruti, doesn't have the net stuff I need (Interface)
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17:42 < kevlar_work> if this were a full system, I wouldn't need my
executable, I'd just freaking use netcat, ifconfig, iptables, and arp.  bah.
17:42 < taruti> kevlar_work: it is a one line change in src/pkg/net/Makefile
17:42 < kevlar_work> taruti, orly
17:42 < taruti> kevlar_work: look at how arm is handled
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17:44 < kevlar_work> *gasp*
17:44 < kevlar_work> it linked correctly with -d
17:44 < kevlar_work> *starts the copy chain to get it onto the system*
17:45 < kevlar_work> bwahahaha, thanks taruti, you're a life saver.
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19:32 < gmilleramilar> how do people deal with iterating parallel arrays
inside a template?
19:33 < crazy2be> gmilleramiler: iterate over an array of structs that has
fields for both other types?  :P
19:33 < gmilleramilar> yuk
19:35 < crazy2be> why do you want to do that?
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19:36 < gmilleramilar> playing with appengine stuff.  the datastore returns
stored structs and keys in separate arrays, and I'd rather not have to create an
extra struct type to store the pair.
19:37 < crazy2be> gmilleramilar: For performance reasons or?
19:38 < crazy2be> because you can just have the struct have pointers to both
of the other types
19:38 < gmilleramilar> nah, just style, I'd have to do it for each type, and
that would be a lot of cruft.
19:38 < gmilleramilar> thought there might be a better way.
19:38 < crazy2be> true, but i'm not sure how you would avoid that if you
were doinging it in the templates
19:38 < crazy2be> unless you had a literal c-style for loop
19:39 < crazy2be> but that seems worse :P
19:39 < gmilleramilar> I guess a map literal with two entries isn't
terrible.
19:40 < gmilleramilar> but I still have boilerplate to create a slice of
them from the keys and objects
19:40 < crazy2be> boilerplate sucks
19:40 < crazy2be> i want generics :<
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19:41 < crazy2be> hmm
19:42 < crazy2be> I have this web framework that i've been using for an
interal project for a while
19:42 < crazy2be> and i was hoping to release it open source
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19:42 < crazy2be> but i'm not sure how to best do that properly
19:42 < crazy2be> that is, let people update the framework and still have
their own changes seperate
19:42 < TheMue> crazy2be: Just do it.
19:42 < crazy2be> or their own modules
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19:43 < TheMue> crazy2be: Why should they update the fw?
19:43 < TheMue> crazy2be: You mean updates to you improvements?
19:44 < crazy2be> well I would imagine a fairly common usage case is this
(since it's still beta)
19:44 < crazy2be> download, try it out, start writing a module (e.g.  a wiki
module)
19:44 < TheMue> crazy2be: Just plug the business logic in via interfaces
that the users have to implement and add to your fw.
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19:45 < crazy2be> find a bug in the framework, and try to fix it (possibly
succeeding)
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19:45 < gmilleramilar> crazy2be: github does a good job of helping you
manage that
19:45 < gmilleramilar> people can create their own forks ("clone me")
19:45 < crazy2be> each of those changes should go to different repositories
in all likelyhood
19:46 < gmilleramilar> then they can request tthat you pull changes into
your fork
19:46 < crazy2be> like your wiki module probably isn't part of the main
framework
19:46 < crazy2be> or shouldn't be
19:46 < TheMue> crazy2be: Platforms like google code let users make comments
to your code.
19:46 < crazy2be> and i'm not sure what mechanisms there are to allow them
to be seperated into different repositories
19:47 < TheMue> crazy2be: behaviors, plugins
19:47 < crazy2be> e.g.  does git allow modules/foo to push to somesite.com
and everything else go to someothersite.com?
19:48 < TheMue> crazy2be: Take a look at http://tideland-rwf.googlecode.com
or http://tideland-eca.googlecode.com.  The frameworks are defined, the behavior
can be added implementing interfaces.
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19:52 < crazy2be> hmm, that's interesting
19:53 < crazy2be> but not really helpful to my initial dillema :P
19:53 < crazy2be> I didn't want to paste this because it might look like
self-promotion, and it's not produciton-ready, but it might help illistrate my
issue better: https://github.com/crazy2be/wfdr
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19:54 < crazy2be> I have that framework, which right now is basically just
my internal code with the specifics stripped out
19:54 < crazy2be> took out branding, names, etc
19:55 < crazy2be> most of the framework/ is in framework, but there are also
useful things you would want in the base install in shared/, util/, and even
modules/
19:55 < crazy2be> like if you install a base install you might want some
example modules to help you along
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19:56 < crazy2be> so i can't just have the framework be a sub-repository of
someone's source tree
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19:57 < crazy2be> I was thinking (or hoping) that there might be a way to
seperate modules/news into it's own repository, for example
19:57 < crazy2be> or modules/photos
19:58 < crazy2be> so that the development of those components would be
seperate from the development of the framework
19:58 < crazy2be> otherwise you are just getting too monolithic for my
liking
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20:01 < crazy2be> ah, git submodules might do that
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20:29 < str1ngs> crazy2be: I think git submodules is your best bet.  as you
have found
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21:30 < gmilleramilar> is there no code in the stdlib to parse URL query
variables?
21:30 < str1ngs> like http://golang.org/pkg/http/#ParseQuery ?
21:31 < gmilleramilar> right that would be what I missed
21:31 < gmilleramilar> thx
21:31 < str1ngs> np
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21:32 < crazy2be> <3 go std library
21:35 < crazy2be> not sure how best to deal with TinyMCE and other such
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23:35 < crazy2be> hmm
23:35 < crazy2be> I don't really understand what mango does
23:38 < crazy2be> or why one would use twister over the vanilla http libs
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