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Pushing the boundaries is not required to be pretty :p 02:32 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:32 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-245.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:34 -!- Kai- [~kmallea@ool-45793895.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:35 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:37 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:44 -!- Kai- [~kmallea@ool-45793895.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:45 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:46 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-68-40-138-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:46 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:48 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:48 -!- ExsysTech [~ExsysTech@50-46-210-255.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-81.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:50 -!- ExsysTech [~ExsysTech@50-46-210-255.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:53 < vsmatck> I'm looking forward to rage. I may install windows for that. 02:54 < vsmatck> Actually thinking of installing windows for alice. Gah. I love games. 02:55 < chomp> rage does look pretty amazing 02:56 < vsmatck> Rage getting delayed because Id's parent company doesn't want it competing with some other title they're releasing. Id also not licensing game engines anymore. Seems strange. 02:57 < vsmatck> I wonder if they'll still GPL game engines. 03:00 -!- tgall_foo [~tgall@linaro/tgall-foo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-182e3fca.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:06 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:12 -!- nogwater [~Adium@cpe-76-172-223-245.socal.res.rr.com] has left #go-nuts [] 03:14 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@c-69-181-106-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 03:33 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@c-69-181-106-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:33 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@c-69-181-106-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34 -!- go_epsilon_go [~chacho@187-177-232-145.dynamic.axtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50 -!- danilo04 [~danilo04@66.44.228.140] has joined #go-nuts 03:51 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-6-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:53 -!- danilo04 [~danilo04@66.44.228.140] has quit [Client Quit] 03:57 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #go-nuts 03:59 -!- chomp [~chomp@c-67-186-35-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00 -!- ExtraSpice [XtraSpice@78-57-204-104.static.zebra.lt] has joined #go-nuts 04:05 -!- Queue29 [~Queue29@173-8-182-114-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:08 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:08 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 04:16 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-182e3fca.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 04:26 -!- powerje [~heathen@li110-138.members.linode.com] has joined #go-nuts 04:35 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Can I force X to give me a pixel format other than 24 bit RGB? I could really do with an alpha channel 06:32 < message144> Hi, is web.go a good Go web framework to start with? 06:35 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@86.86.15.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:41 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:48 <@adg> message144: I don't think so, personally. The Go http package provides a lot of the same functionality 06:48 < message144> adg, ok.. is that one more commonly used? 06:49 <@adg> message144: yeah, it's part of the Go standard library 06:49 < message144> adg, ok, i will try it.. thank you 06:49 <@adg> message144: we support it and actively work on it 06:49 <@adg> message144: http://golang.org/doc/codelab/wiki/ 06:49 < message144> adg, oh that is perfect. thanks 06:50 < exch> web.go abstracts way too much of the useful bits for my taste. Go's http package keeps it simple, but effective 06:50 < message144> this is a strange question, but is web dev in Go a bad idea? 06:50 < message144> heh 06:50 < taruti> no 06:50 < exch> not at all 06:50 <@adg> message144: no, i love writing web stuff in go 06:50 < message144> ok, i was hoping to hear that :) 06:50 <@adg> message144: see also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-pPAvqyluI 06:52 < exch> I thought I'd just go ahead and port the procedural drawing tool 'harmony' to Go/Xgb.. It was easy to do in Go/opengl, but the limitations and low level nature of xlib make this a formidable challenge. http://img.jteeuwen.nl/index.php/software/wut-786831995 06:53 -!- photron [~photron@port-92-201-3-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 06:53 < exch> the drawing is mighty fast at the moment. I've come up with plenty of optimizations, but the lack of alpha channel supportis proving hard to work around. The brush effects rely heavily on it 06:53 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1C536.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 < exch> I'm thinking I can do some colour interpolation magic to simulate transparency. But that requires per-pixel graphics context switches 06:55 -!- eimantas [~eimantas@78-60-134-80.static.zebra.lt] has joined #go-nuts 06:55 -!- eimantas [~eimantas@78-60-134-80.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 06:56 < exch> I realize I could also just draw to a lrage image and upload that to X as required. But to be honest, I think that's cheating 06:56 < exch> besides, that would still not solve the alpha channel issue 06:57 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-173-21.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 06:59 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.81.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00 -!- benjack1 [~benjack@bb121-6-49-120.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00 < vsmatck> Put some work in to the website this weekend. http://dyfora.com/ 07:00 < vsmatck> Looks less fugly now. 07:01 < exch> better 07:03 -!- krolaw [~krolaw@203.100.208.229] has quit [Quit: krolaw] 07:03 < vsmatck> :) 07:04 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has left #go-nuts [] 07:09 -!- Fish- [~Fish@coss6.exosec.net] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 07:11 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:20 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-1-25.eduroam.inholland.nl] has joined #go-nuts 07:21 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@219.137.234.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21 < message144> Just curious, in Go, what is the type of nil ? 07:22 < exch> that depends on the value you assign it to. It always represents the nil or zero value for a given type 07:23 < exch> for integers that's 0, for a slice that's []T with 0 length and 0 capacity. For a map it's an uninitialized version of said map 07:23 -!- dfc [~dfc@eth59-167-133-99.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:23 < exch> incidentally, a nil slice is still a valid slice and can be used in slice operations without worrying about nil reference errors or other bizar stuff 07:24 < message144> exch, ok, make sense. thanks 07:24 < exch> That won't work for a map or channel though, since it has to be make()'d 07:25 < message144> ok 07:39 -!- krolaw [~krolaw@203.100.208.229] has joined #go-nuts 07:41 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@131.155.71.133] has joined #go-nuts 07:47 -!- exch [~blbl@ip34-181-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:48 -!- exch [~blbl@ip34-181-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 07:49 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 07:53 -!- ExsysTech [~ExsysTech@50-46-210-255.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-1-25.eduroam.inholland.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54 -!- ExsysTech [~ExsysTech@50-46-210-255.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:56 -!- ccmtaylor [ctaylor@h-213.61.231.85.host.de.colt.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:59 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:07 -!- nteon [~nteon@c-98-210-195-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:11 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-169-4-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 08:12 -!- pyrhho [~pyrhho@host-92-27-75-48.static.as13285.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:21 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-148.eduroam.inholland.nl] has joined #go-nuts 08:22 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: allengeorge] 08:32 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-169-4-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: dfc] 08:45 -!- message144 [~message14@cpe-75-83-155-145.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: gone] 08:47 -!- ctimmerm [~ctimmerm@83.150.80.193] has joined #go-nuts 08:50 -!- ExsysTech [~ExsysTech@50-46-210-255.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51 -!- kfmfe04 [~kfmfe04@60-251-136-139.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:51 -!- iant [~iant@ip-62-105-190-81.dsl.twang.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:52 -!- ExsysTech [~ExsysTech@50-46-210-255.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:52 < kfmfe04> hi - noobie question - I have a static variable as in int foo() { static int x=999; return x; } - how do I translate this to Go? I suspect that I need to use a different paradigm, but I can't seem to find any examples - TIA 08:53 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 08:54 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:55 < kfmfe04> hmm... ...looks like maybe I should use the init() function for a package in conjunction with some kind of package level variable? 08:57 < vegai> it's not exactly the same, but yeah, if you can live with that 08:57 < vegai> I wonder if go's closures work in a way that could be used here 08:59 < kfmfe04> essentially, I'm looking for a singleton that I can initialize once per program run - lemme try and see if it works - btw, what is the hashmap or map class for Go? 08:59 < vegai> map is an internal datastructure 08:59 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:59 < vegai> http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#maps 09:00 < kfmfe04> ty! 09:00 < kfmfe04> no wonder I couldn't find it - thought it was in a package - nice that they stuck it in the language 09:07 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-160-134.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 09:09 -!- edsrzf [~edsrzf@122-61-221-144.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10 < vegai> I guess 09:10 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-173-21.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:12 -!- noam [~noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 09:14 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.198] has joined #go-nuts 09:15 -!- kfmfe04 [~kfmfe04@60-251-136-139.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: kfmfe04] 09:16 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-175-71.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:17 -!- noam [~noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.198] has joined #go-nuts 09:36 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 09:38 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.198] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:41 -!- leczb [~leczb@nat/google/x-dcdsdsuzqbxbkabh] has joined #go-nuts 09:41 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:45 -!- leczb [~leczb@nat/google/x-dcdsdsuzqbxbkabh] has left #go-nuts [] 09:45 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-phaozggwqdalmjhb] has joined #go-nuts 09:52 -!- clip9_ [clip9@er.en.svarteper.com] has quit [Quit: brb] 09:52 -!- clip9 [clip9@er.en.svarteper.com] has joined #go-nuts 09:53 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 09:55 -!- ctimmerm [~ctimmerm@83.150.80.193] has quit [Quit: ctimmerm] 09:56 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has joined #go-nuts 10:05 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-169-4-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 10:09 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-169-4-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] 10:10 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 10:21 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:34 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@177.40.37.93] has joined #go-nuts 10:37 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 10:40 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-169-4-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 10:42 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:51 -!- kfmfe04 [~kfmfe04@219.91.121.237] has joined #go-nuts 10:53 -!- krolaw [~krolaw@203.100.208.229] has quit [Quit: krolaw] 10:55 -!- tav_ [~tav@2.96.33.22] has joined #go-nuts 10:58 -!- tav [~tav@2.96.33.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:58 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 11:00 -!- krolaw [~krolaw@203.100.208.229] has joined #go-nuts 11:04 -!- Ekspluati [5b98bd5e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.152.189.94] has joined #go-nuts 11:07 -!- ccmtaylor_ [~ctaylor@vpn12.sjc.collab.net] has joined #go-nuts 11:10 -!- ccmtaylor [ctaylor@h-213.61.231.85.host.de.colt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:14 -!- noodles775 [~michael@canonical/launchpad/noodles775] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:17 -!- noodles775 [~michael@g229203233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 11:17 -!- noodles775 [~michael@g229203233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Changing host] 11:17 -!- noodles775 [~michael@canonical/launchpad/noodles775] has joined #go-nuts 11:21 -!- krolaw [~krolaw@203.100.208.229] has quit [Quit: krolaw] 11:21 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has joined #go-nuts 11:27 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 11:34 -!- sacho [~sacho@87-126-43-140.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36 -!- ijknacho [~ijknacho4@cpe-72-190-64-3.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:38 -!- tncardoso [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has joined #go-nuts 11:42 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-169-4-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: dfc] 11:45 -!- NiteRain [~kvirc@c-98-254-236-21.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 11:47 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-169-4-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 11:47 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@131.155.71.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:47 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.90.203] has joined #go-nuts 11:48 < angasule> game code... yuck! 11:50 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-160-134.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:52 -!- va3atc [~va3atc@205.211.141.177] has joined #go-nuts 11:53 < TheMueCloud> re 11:54 < angasule> does anyone have a link handy about the problems generics cause for the parser, compiler, runtime, etc? I'm googling and searching old emails from the list, but I'm not finding anything conclusive 11:54 < angasule> I need more coffee :/ 11:58 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:59 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@131.155.244.145] has joined #go-nuts 12:00 < uriel> angasule: all those are secondary, the problem is what they do to the rest of the language 12:01 -!- adlan [~adlan@118.100.176.235] has joined #go-nuts 12:01 < uriel> angasule: there are tons of discussions on the topic in the list, nobody has proposed something that is good enough 12:01 < uriel> angasule: also, few people who actually write Go code feel much need for generics 12:01 < angasule> uriel: I'm curious anyway, frankly other than avoiding unboxing in a container, I don't see a need, so my question is a bit OT, I guess 12:02 -!- va3atc [~va3atc@205.211.141.177] has quit [] 12:03 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 12:03 < angasule> I've been discussing languages at work and I don't know generics in languages other than C++ (C is for copy, that's good enough for me :-) 12:03 < TheMueCloud> yep, I definitely don't miss them. and only for containers? no, please. here I prefer adding according methods to types I define like []*User or map[string]*Foo or like that. 12:05 -!- noam [~noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 12:06 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:06 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@131.155.244.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:06 -!- elathan [~elathan@139.91.70.37] has joined #go-nuts 12:07 < elathan> Hi! I am looking for an example on how to use the 'container/list' package. Any ideas? 12:07 < aiju> don't ;P 12:08 < TheMueCloud> hehe, yep,just use slices 12:08 < aiju> slices are not lists 12:08 < aiju> but lists are easily hand crafter 12:08 < uriel> elathan: use a slice 12:08 < uriel> bleh, good to see I have been double-beatten :) 12:09 < elathan> uriel: but I have to define an array with a fixed size before using the slice, right? 12:09 < TheMueCloud> elathan: nope 12:10 < elathan> TheMueCloud: I thought slices operate on a range over an already allocated array. 12:10 -!- noam [~noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10 < uriel> append() is your friend 12:10 < elathan> uriel: ok, I hope it's fast.. 12:11 < uriel> elathan: how do you think lists are implemented in any language 12:11 -!- exch [~blbl@ip34-181-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:11 < elathan> uriel: true, fair enought. 12:11 < uriel> (well, you could have linked lists, but that would not be faster for most operations, obviously) 12:11 < angasule> uriel: pointers? :) 12:12 < angasule> uriel: insertion? :P 12:12 -!- exch [~blbl@ip34-181-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 12:12 < aiju> linked lists are faster for one case 12:12 < aiju> and arrays for another 12:12 < uriel> angasule: well, pretty much all languages are written in C, an in C pointers and arrays are almost equivalent ;P 12:12 < aiju> if you want fast appending / deleting and need no random access, go with a liist 12:12 < angasule> uriel: I meant pointers as in linked lists 12:12 < uriel> (just playing around with the terminology, I know what you mean and you are obviously right, as I said, some languages might use linked lists by default, but it is rare IMHO) 12:12 < aiju> -i 12:13 < TheMueCloud> elathan: You could start with mySlice := []int{} and then mySlice := append(mySlice, 4711) 12:13 * angasule spanks uriel 12:13 < aiju> uriel: LISP, Prolog etc ;P 12:13 < aiju> linked lists are trivial to write in Go 12:13 < uriel> aiju: yea, languages nobody uses ;P 12:13 < uriel> aiju: that too 12:13 < aiju> composite literals make it very easy 12:13 < elathan> TheMueCloud: thanks! 12:17 < angasule> well, off to work or something 12:23 -!- ijknacho [~ijknacho4@cpe-72-190-64-3.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:24 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has joined #go-nuts 12:35 -!- Lockal [~Lockal@wikipedia/Lockal] has joined #go-nuts 12:36 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has joined #go-nuts 12:37 -!- ijknacho [~ijknacho4@cpe-72-190-64-3.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41 -!- pharris [~Adium@rhgw.opentext.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:41 -!- Ekspluati [5b98bd5e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.152.189.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:43 < Lockal> hi everyone. Is syntax "type Empty {}" considered obsolete? Gopatterns advise to use this type for parallel loops, but gccgo says "...:12: error: expected type" 12:44 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has joined #go-nuts 12:53 -!- piranha_ [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has joined #go-nuts 12:53 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56 < Lockal> btw gcc version 4.7.0 2011-04-09 rev. 172225 12:57 -!- piranha_ [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has joined #go-nuts 13:07 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@131.155.245.127] has joined #go-nuts 13:08 < pharris> Lockal: Looks like a syntax error to me, too. Did you mean "type Empty struct {}" ? 13:09 -!- Ekspluati [5b98bd5e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.152.189.94] has joined #go-nuts 13:12 -!- piranha [~piranha@93.189.143.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:12 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 13:13 < Lockal> pharris, thanks, it works now. Looks like gopatterns articles are 2 years old and not valid now 13:14 < kfmfe04> If I want to create a package mylib/io , how do I disambiguate between mylib/io and the standard io package? it seems like the package statement has no room for mylib (even though I can specify import "mylib/io")... 13:15 < str1ngs> import myio "mylib/io" 13:15 < str1ngs> something like that 13:15 < kfmfe04> yes, import is ok - but what about the package statement? 13:16 < str1ngs> you mean like io.Copy? 13:16 < str1ngs> you would use myio.Copy if that's what you mean 13:16 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@178.152.115.82] has quit [Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish!] 13:16 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@131.155.245.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:18 < kfmfe04> ok - lemme put it another way, how do you arrange the file structure for io/ioutil? I only see package ioutil in the source file, with no mention of io... ...ultimately, I want to create a mylib/io (hmm... ...maybe I can find io/ioutil in the sources) 13:18 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 13:19 < kfmfe04> ok - I found io/ioutil in the sources - I will try to follow its structure and see if I can build properly 13:20 -!- adlan [~adlan@118.100.176.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:21 < kfmfe04> ah - simpler than I thought - TARG=mylib/io in the Makefile seems to work fine 13:22 < kfmfe04> gotta love open source 13:22 < str1ngs> ok I did not realy your question right so sorry if I confused you 13:22 < str1ngs> read* 13:23 < kfmfe04> np - I wasn't clear - ty for your quick response :) 13:24 < kfmfe04> I'm starting to port some C++ code to Go - seems like a good way to learn as I go 13:24 < kfmfe04> porting a DateTIme class atm 13:24 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1C536.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:25 -!- ArgonneIntern [82ca0251@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.202.2.81] has joined #go-nuts 13:26 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw256114.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 13:26 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-182e3fca.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:27 -!- sacho [~sacho@87-126-43-140.btc-net.bg] has joined #go-nuts 13:28 -!- NiteRain [~kvirc@c-98-254-236-21.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 13:33 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@187.53.255.234] has joined #go-nuts 13:36 -!- napsy [~luka@193.2.66.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:37 < uriel> kfmfe04: porting code is a *bad* way to learn a new language 13:38 < uriel> it ensures that you carry with you all kinds of conceptual and irrelevant baggage from the old language when you approach how to solve problems in the new language 13:38 < kfmfe04> well, I am translating C++ paradigms into Go paradigms as much as I can 13:38 < TheMueCloud> uriel: +1 13:38 < kfmfe04> I need something practical to do without having to think too much about designing something totally new 13:38 < uriel> kfmfe04: which is precisely the wrong way to go about it, given that paradigms don't map 13:38 < kfmfe04> agreed 13:39 < TheMueCloud> kfmfe04: Go follows a different paradigm, mostly with goroutines, channels and interfaces as important language features 13:39 < aiju> "well, I am translating fascism paradigms into democracy paradigms as much as I can" 13:39 < kfmfe04> yup - I intend to replace pthreads with channels as much as possible 13:39 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1C536.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39 < kfmfe04> I feel it's better to port a "real program" than some mickey-mouse example - I can better test the limits of Go that way 13:39 < TheMueCloud> kfmfe04: but maybe you can't replace, instead you would have to rdesign 13:40 < kfmfe04> yup - I will redesign as needed 13:40 < TheMueCloud> kfmfe04: no, you just test the limits of portability, but not of the lang 13:40 < kfmfe04> already throwing out tons of code by switching from C++ to Go - about 4 to 1 LOC 13:41 -!- mkb218 [~mkb@pool-96-233-4-238.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:41 < kfmfe04> well, you can play around with semantics as much as you like - right now, my biggest concern is the GC - as I have a realtime app that can't suffer too much latency - we'll see if it works out in Go 13:42 < kfmfe04> if the GC cleans up at the wrong time, I could be screwed (one reason I took C++ over Java initially) 13:42 -!- elathan [~elathan@139.91.70.37] has quit [Quit: elathan] 13:42 < aiju> realtime app which can suffer any latency is no realtime app 13:42 < aiju> and Go is probably not a good choice for RT 13:42 < kfmfe04> so bad idea to do realtime in Go? 13:42 < aiju> but define realtime 13:42 < aiju> if you just mean "fast shit", then Go is fine 13:43 < kfmfe04> reading from socket, latency of probably 100-200ms ok 13:43 < kfmfe04> I suspect Go will be sufficient 13:43 < kfmfe04> I chunk my data as much as possible so less work for GC 13:44 -!- r_linux [~r_linux@189.38.220.35] has joined #go-nuts 13:44 < uriel> TheMueCloud: plus Go 'interfaces' are quite different from how you do interfaces in C++, so just because both have the same 'feature' it doesn't mean trying to map one to the other makes any sense 13:44 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:44 < uriel> 13:40 < kfmfe04> yup - I will redesign as needed 13:44 < uriel> this is again a bad idea 13:45 < kfmfe04> so what do you suggest? I do mickey-mouse projects? 13:45 < uriel> because you start with something that was designed for a very different language 13:45 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:45 < uriel> kfmfe04: there are all kinds of projects you can do without porting from another language, uhu? 13:45 < TheMueCloud> uriel: yep, I really like them, a powerful instrument 13:45 < kfmfe04> I believe all programmers should be as agnostic as possible and adapt to a new language as needed 13:46 < kfmfe04> I could abstract my project outward and then port, but I don't find that necessary, so far 13:46 < aiju> you believe that all programmers should be as dumb as possible? 13:46 < uriel> then you will miss the Go way of doing things 13:46 < kfmfe04> you are assuming too much 13:47 < uriel> between interfaces and goroutines, the high level way you structure your projects is going to be very different from how you would do it in other languages 13:47 < kfmfe04> simple - I will refactor in a 2nd round if necessary 13:47 < kfmfe04> I am cranking unit tests as I go 13:47 < kfmfe04> I don't expect to get 100% Go code the first time I code it 13:47 < kfmfe04> whether I do a Mickey Mouse project or not 13:48 < uriel> you might think you can replace pthreads with goroutines, but the properties of both are completely different, for example gouroutines are way cheaper than threads, you rarely do any locking because you use channels, etc 13:48 < kfmfe04> that's fine - I'm ok with throwing away mutexes 13:48 < kfmfe04> the more languages you play with, the more flexible one should be towards various paradigms 13:49 < kfmfe04> I've been programming for 20yrs so I've seen my share of paradigms/languages 13:49 < kfmfe04> right now, I have a C++ server and a Scala client - just trying to port the C++ part to Go 13:51 < kfmfe04> I'm fine with throwing away things that don't fit - for example, I hear C++ programmers complaining about the lack of templates, but I also see many Go programmers saying they're not necessary - so I will investigate and find how the proper way to do it in Go rather than fret about the lack of generics 13:51 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:52 < kfmfe04> don't worry, I've lived through the C to C++ transition 15 years ago where all the C++ code looked like C code - I know what NOT to do ;) 13:55 < kfmfe04> imho, Pike & Thompson did a great job - writing natural looking Go code doesn't seem to be as much of a mind-bender as writing natural looking Scala code (but that may be due to my own C/C++ bias) 13:55 < aiju> when all C++ code looks like C code, sanity has been achieved 13:55 < aiju> all of MY C++ code is as much C as possible 13:55 < skelterjohn|work> i use C++ for stl and the new operator 13:56 < kfmfe04> that's part of the reason I'm using Go - much of C++ is unnecessarily complicated 13:56 < aiju> i use C for NOT STL and NOT THE NEW OPERATOR 13:56 < skelterjohn|work> people are allowed to waste their time if they want 13:56 < skelterjohn|work> it's nothing off me 13:56 < kfmfe04> STL is actually quite powerful, but it's painful to get it right 13:56 < uriel> and NOT EVERYTHING ELSE IN C++ 13:56 < kfmfe04> I should say generics are quite powerful 13:56 < skelterjohn|work> stl has nice stuff for vectors and maps 13:56 < skelterjohn|work> beyond that i don't use it 13:56 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 13:56 < skelterjohn|work> not that i write much C++ nowadays 13:57 < uriel> use BOOST! 13:57 < skelterjohn|work> also auto_ptr from boost is nice - pity you have to download the rest of the 3gb of source to install it 13:57 < uriel> more time to procrastinate waiting for code to compile 13:57 < uriel> and pretending to being able to debug it 13:57 < kfmfe04> ya - but you can't use auto_ptr with STL - one of the problems with orthogonality in C++ - the designers of Go got it right 13:58 < kfmfe04> C++ is a nightmare of non-orthogonality 13:58 < uriel> s/ of.*// 13:59 < skelterjohn|work> why wouldn't you be able to use auto_ptr with stl? 13:59 < skelterjohn|work> though i won't disagree with you - it must have never come up when i wrote code 13:59 < kfmfe04> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_ptr 14:00 < kfmfe04> Because of its copy semantics, auto_ptr may not be used in STL containers that may perform element copies in their operations. 14:00 < kfmfe04> this happens a lot in C++ 14:00 < kfmfe04> code that you think works or you think you understand how it works actually works only in specific cases 14:00 < skelterjohn|work> i guess stl containers copy the bits verbatim without using the provided copy constructors? 14:00 < kfmfe04> one day, when you use it a little differently, you get screwed 14:00 < kfmfe04> yes - the copy-semantics can cause problems 14:01 < kfmfe04> C++0x will deal with those issues by adding more complexity 14:01 < skelterjohn|work> sounds like a sound plan 14:01 < kfmfe04> it will define a bunch of copy-semantics 14:01 < kfmfe04> it is, if you like to learn C++ esoterica (some of my coworkers do :( ) 14:02 < ArgonneIntern> in container/list if you list.Remove and an iterater points to it where will that iterator point, the one before, the next one or nothing 14:03 < ArgonneIntern> right now I'm setting a temp element to the thing to be removed, moving the iterator back one and removing the tmp element 14:03 < ArgonneIntern> which seems ugly 14:04 < skelterjohn|work> the docs are pretty clear i think 14:04 < skelterjohn|work> oh you mean the iterator 14:04 < skelterjohn|work> the iterator that you're ranging with will point to the same thing it always did 14:05 < skelterjohn|work> actually, post some code 14:05 < skelterjohn|work> can you even range over a container/list? probably not 14:05 < skelterjohn|work> so you must be doing a self-updating pointer w/ cur=cur.Next() kind of stuff - in which case it points to wherever you point it to 14:06 < ArgonneIntern> ok 14:06 < ArgonneIntern> so I basically need to do what I'm doing 14:06 < ArgonneIntern> and yes that's what I'm doing 14:07 < ArgonneIntern> hmm maybe a change to it so it made all element pointers that point to that element to be removed get moved to the one before 14:07 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has joined #go-nuts 14:07 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has joined #go-nuts 14:08 < ArgonneIntern> bleh nvm, getting to used to go code doing everything for me 14:08 < ArgonneIntern> making me soft 14:08 < skelterjohn|work> i'd bet that if you have a *List and you call .Remove() on it, its .Next() and .Prev() functions still return the same thing 14:08 < skelterjohn|work> so you can continue iterating over the same way as you had before 14:08 < skelterjohn|work> the other option is they're zeroed, in which case you'd find out pretty quickly 14:09 < ArgonneIntern> lol yeah you would 14:09 < ArgonneIntern> but you may be right 14:09 < ArgonneIntern> I was looking at the docs 14:09 < skelterjohn|work> take a look at the source code 14:09 < ArgonneIntern> nope 14:09 < ArgonneIntern> it def zeros them out 14:10 < skelterjohn|work> ok then 14:10 -!- elathan [~elathan@athedsl-4465575.home.otenet.gr] has joined #go-nuts 14:10 < ArgonneIntern> http://www.pastie.org/2096066 14:10 -!- elathan [~elathan@athedsl-4465575.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Client Quit] 14:11 < kfmfe04> hmm... ...a bit confused: got this error - invalid operation: dt != dtExpected (operator != not defined on struct), but I thought there was no operator overloading in Go... can someone clarify? TIA 14:11 -!- squeese [~squeese@cm-84.209.17.156.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 14:13 < kfmfe04> both dt and dtExpected are of type DateTime (a struct) 14:13 < ArgonneIntern> can you go to www.pastie.org and past the type and the if/for statement 14:13 < ArgonneIntern> and pste the URL here 14:14 < ArgonneIntern> also != is not defined for structs, and cannot be overloaded. So you might have to manually check for equality 14:15 < ArgonneIntern> or create a function that does this for you and returns a boolean 14:15 < skelterjohn|work> kfmfe04: == and != don't work on structs at all 14:16 < skelterjohn|work> oh, ArgonneIntern answered 14:16 < ArgonneIntern> yeah but he could create a method that checs for equality and have it passed in the thing to be checked against 14:16 < ArgonneIntern> and it returns a bool 14:16 < kfmfe04> so what is the convention for struct comparisons? 14:16 < skelterjohn|work> yes - that's what i'll typically do 14:16 < ArgonneIntern> which is not technically operator overloading 14:16 < skelterjohn|work> kfmfe04: can't go wrong with Equals(other interface{}) bool 14:16 < kfmfe04> go it! tyvm - will try it out! 14:17 < skelterjohn|work> then that struct will work with pkgs that use an interface with that method 14:17 < skelterjohn|work> or if you don't care, use Equals(other MyType) bool 14:17 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:17 < kfmfe04> is there a convention for Equals() to be a deep or shallow compare or is it up to the implementer? 14:18 < kfmfe04> it's not important in my case because I just have a couple of uint32's in my struct, but it'd be good to follow convention 14:19 < skelterjohn|work> up to the implementor - depends entirely on what you use the type for 14:19 < kfmfe04> excellent - tyvm 14:20 -!- ArgonneIntern [82ca0251@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.202.2.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:21 < kfmfe04> one other quick question - in C++, we usually pass by const reference in something like Equals( const MyType& rhs) to avoid copy-construction - I believe that Go also constructs if I do Equals( other MyType ) - since MyType is small in this case, it doesn't matter much, but do people worry about that at all in Go and attempt to pass a pointer or just pass-by-value is fine? again, I am trying to follow convention... 14:22 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:24 -!- zippoxer [~zippoxer@bzq-109-64-241-139.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:25 < skelterjohn|work> if your type is large, operate on pointers to that type 14:26 < skelterjohn|work> if your method begins like "func (x *X) " it should end with "Equals(other *X)" 14:26 < skelterjohn|work> if you operate directly on the value, you're copying anyway 14:27 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 14:27 < kfmfe04> yup - that's what I thought - ty for your advice 14:28 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 14:32 -!- Aperculum [lauri@kapsi.fi] has joined #go-nuts 14:33 < Aperculum> Hi! Do I have to know the size of an array at the compile time or can I have a function take size as an argument and then create the array from that? 14:37 < skelterjohn|work> need a bit more context - you can use append to dynamically resize a slice 14:37 < pharris> Aperculum: By definition, Go arrays are fixed size. A "variable sized array" is called a slice. 14:37 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:37 < skelterjohn|work> you can make a slice (backed by an array) by doing whatever version of make([]int, someLength) is appropriate 14:38 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-182e3fca.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has joined #go-nuts 14:42 < Aperculum> pharris: thanks, but I mean I won't change size of the array at the run time, I just won't know the initial size before I run it 14:42 < pharris> If you don't know the size at compile time, you need a slice. 14:42 < pharris> Arrays are fixed (at compile time) size. 14:43 < jessta> Aperculum: you can use [...]string{"pizza","pies","etc"} but it still has to be fixed at compile time 14:44 < Aperculum> okay, thanks :) 14:44 < Aperculum> I'll just use slice then 14:44 < jessta> Aperculum: a [4]byte and a [5]byte are completely different types in Go 14:46 < Aperculum> yes, I'm aware. 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16:34 < zippoxer> witn len() ? 16:34 < xyproto> if I have a google appengine program and wish to put some functions in other files, for example "func add(a, b int) int", how can it be done? Just put the function in another file, with the same package? But how is it imported? 16:35 -!- StoVoKor [~va3atc@205.211.141.177] has joined #go-nuts 16:35 < uriel> xyproto: if you have multiple files all in the same package, they all can call eachother 16:35 < xyproto> uriel: just like that, without any additional makefiles or yaml-modifications? 16:36 < uriel> AFAIK it should just work like any other Go program 16:37 < xyproto> uriel: yes, it worked great now! I just had to not import anything, but just act like it was in the same namespace (which it is...) Thanks :( 16:37 < xyproto> uriel: meant the happy face :) 16:37 -!- va3atc [va3atc@vpn42.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:37 < Tv> zippoxer: val, found := arr[idx] 16:38 < zippoxer> great! thanks 16:38 < Aperculum> I coudn't quite parse the question there 16:39 < Tv> Aperculum: me neither but i offered the nearest matching nugget of info where go is atypical ;) 16:39 < Aperculum> doesn't index exist if len(array) is larger than the index you are checking? 16:39 -!- StoVoKor [~va3atc@205.211.141.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:39 < xyproto> Tv: you're intellisense and natural language parsin reincarnate 16:39 < xyproto> *parsing 16:39 < Tv> Aperculum: he talked about maps, so i figured i'll give that answer 16:40 < zippoxer> why can't I quick access MultipleReturnValuesFunc()[0]? 16:40 < xyproto> +1 16:40 < Aperculum> oh, sorry, my bad :) 16:40 < Tv> xyproto: no need to correct yourself, i got you the first time around ;) 16:40 < xyproto> Tv: :D 16:40 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:40 < Tv> zippoxer: it's not an array, and it's meant to force you to *check* the error 16:40 < zippoxer> kk 16:41 < Aperculum> Tv: does the map always return two values or only when I as for them? 16:41 < Aperculum> ask* 16:41 -!- pyrhho [~pyrhho@host-92-27-75-48.static.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: pyrhho] 16:43 < jessta> Aperculum: only when you task for them 16:43 < jessta> *ask 16:44 < Aperculum> ah, cool 16:44 < jessta> it's a bit weird, but it's very helpful 16:45 < jessta> I'm glad only the map and array can do it 16:45 < Aperculum> They could have just made them always return two values and user would just throw away the other with _ if they don't need it 16:45 < Aperculum> then again, it makes for a more readable code 16:45 < jessta> somefunc(somemap[somkey) 16:46 < jessta> wouldn't work if somefunc() only took one paramter 16:46 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-148.eduroam.inholland.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:47 < jessta> Aperculum: it would make maps and arrays really annoyign to use 16:47 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-148.eduroam.inholland.nl] has joined #go-nuts 16:47 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:47 < Aperculum> true 16:47 < zippoxer> if more people were asking on overflow instead of here 16:48 < Aperculum> I guess they know what they're doing better than I do :) 16:48 < zippoxer> it could really promote go 16:48 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-088-068-000-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:48 < mkb218> SO requires you to act as a moderator of a forum thread 16:48 < mkb218> too much overhead 16:48 < mkb218> and then the waiting 16:49 < zippoxer> yeah, but that's only for promoting 16:49 < zippoxer> we can simply ask on overflow and post the question's url here 16:49 < zippoxer> but not on very little questions :\ 16:51 < zippoxer> I would like go to be more popular... 16:52 < Aperculum> you can help that by using it 16:52 < Aperculum> and maybe introducing people to it :) 16:52 < zippoxer> lol tried :P 16:52 < zippoxer> they said it's too new and headache to find stuff for it 16:53 < zippoxer> examples, etc.. 16:53 < jessta> zippoxer: lots of things on stackoverflow about Go are out of date 16:53 < zippoxer> you mean the questions or what? 16:53 < mkb218> it is also full of jerks 16:54 < jessta> the best way to make Go popular is to write awesome stuff in Go 16:54 < zippoxer> open source :) 16:54 < jessta> zippoxer: the questions and anwsers 16:55 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:b966:f177:bfd4:8292] has joined #go-nuts 16:58 -!- r_linux [~r_linux@189.38.220.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59 -!- r_linux [~r_linux@static.200.198.180.250.datacenter1.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 17:04 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-088-068-000-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:06 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-74-185.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:08 < xyproto> ok, I have a form where people can upload files, for instance .pdf files, and I get a *http.Request back. Now, how can I get the contents of that pdf using the *http.Request variable? (appengine) Thanks 17:10 -!- Engineer_Bear [~kmallea@ool-45793895.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:10 < skelterjohn|work> it's not in the reader provided? 17:11 -!- cco3 [~conleyo@nat/google/x-xvqrscsryqdehsfd] has joined #go-nuts 17:11 < xyproto> skelterjohn|work: I have a http.ResponseWriter as well. I don't know if I have a reader baked into one of those somehow. 17:12 < skelterjohn|work> there is a reader in the http.Request 17:12 < xyproto> skelterjohn|work: aha! Is it the ReadRequest, perhaps? 17:12 < skelterjohn|work> Body 17:12 < skelterjohn|work> is a ReadCloser 17:13 < skelterjohn|work> Request.Body 17:13 < xyproto> skelterjohn|work: ah, I see. Great, thanks! 17:13 < skelterjohn|work> np 17:16 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #go-nuts 17:18 -!- tavis_rain [~tavisb@24-104-129.146.hfc.mediarain.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:19 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-74-185.btc-net.bg] has joined #go-nuts 17:25 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-245.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:26 -!- noam [noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 17:33 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has joined #go-nuts 17:36 -!- str1ngs [~strings@unaffiliated/str1ngs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 -!- str1ngs [~strings@unaffiliated/str1ngs] has joined #go-nuts 17:42 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.145] has joined #go-nuts 17:47 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@70-36-245-216.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:48 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 17:54 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:57 < zippoxer> How do I convert []interface{} to []string ? 17:57 < zippoxer> []interface{}{}.([]string) doesn't work 17:58 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 17:58 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-3-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #go-nuts 17:58 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58 -!- Engineer_Bear [~kmallea@ool-45793895.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:59 -!- kfmfe04 [~kfmfe04@host-58-114-183-56.dynamic.kbtelecom.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:00 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-12-151.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13 -!- allengeorge [~allengeor@c-67-188-178-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: allengeorge] 18:19 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 18:23 < kevlar_work> zippoxer, you'll have to do it with a loop; they are not stored the same internally, and thus can't simply be casted or type asserted. 18:24 -!- r_linux [~r_linux@static.200.198.180.250.datacenter1.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30 -!- PortatoreSanoDiI [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-150-175.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 18:33 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:44 -!- tncardoso [~thiagon@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01 -!- Dr_Who [~tgall_foo@linaro/tgall-foo] has joined #go-nuts 19:11 -!- cw_ [~anticw@parsec.stupidest.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:18 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has joined #go-nuts 19:20 -!- eimantas [~eimantas@ip-212-52-52-163.kava.lt] has quit [Quit: eimantas] 19:34 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-phaozggwqdalmjhb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40 -!- photron [~photron@port-92-201-3-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42 -!- rlab_ [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 19:42 < jessta> zippoxer: you can only perform type asserts on interfaces, []interface{} isn't an interface, it's a type 19:44 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:45 -!- r_linux [~r_linux@static.200.198.180.250.datacenter1.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 19:46 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-iwdlzwbfdxeehxuv] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:01 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@189.59.178.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 20:02 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@70-36-245-216.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:02 -!- squeese [~squeese@cm-84.209.17.156.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02 -!- squeese [~squeese@cm-84.209.17.156.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 20:03 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@70-36-245-216.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:08 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw256114.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:b966:f177:bfd4:8292] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:18 -!- pjacobs2 [~pjacobs@66.54.185.130] has joined #go-nuts 20:18 -!- rlab_ [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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20:57 < zippoxer> I heard bad about gtk :\ 20:57 < aiju> "nice gui library" is an oxymoron 20:57 < str1ngs> go-gtk is fine 20:58 < skelterjohn|work> "useful answer from aiju" is, too 20:58 < aiju> bs 20:59 -!- noam [~noam@87.69.42.61.cable.012.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 20:59 < zippoxer> נועם 20:59 < noam> זיפפוקסר 21:00 < zippoxer> חחח לא יפה לדבר ככה בעברית ליד כולם.. 21:00 < aiju> 絶望した! 21:00 < zippoxer> sorry guys 21:00 < noam> you started it :) 21:00 < zippoxer> mm because it's good to know that someone from our very little country 21:00 < zippoxer> is using go :) 21:00 < zippoxer> (israel) 21:00 < aiju> no shit sherlock 21:01 < zippoxer> lol agan.. 21:01 -!- tavis_rain [~tavisb@24-104-129.146.hfc.mediarain.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:01 < zippoxer> again* 21:01 < aiju> have you added support to kill arabs yet? 21:01 < noam> i'm only interested in it, it has some nice stuff 21:01 < zippoxer> ohh so you believe what the arab says about us uhh... 21:02 < skelterjohn|work> let me stop this right here 21:02 < zippoxer> he started. 21:02 < skelterjohn|work> don't really want to hear about geopolitics in my programming channel 21:02 < aiju> also, does your code occupy palestenean memory regions? 21:02 < zippoxer> stupid move by aiju. 21:02 < aiju> haha 21:02 < skelterjohn|work> you don't have to reply 21:02 < aiju> hell, i didn't mention the holocaust! 21:03 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:03 < zippoxer> hey, don't forget that I'm not in the Israeli goverment so complaints not to me please... 21:03 < zippoxer> government* 21:03 -!- huin [~huin@91.85.188.1] has joined #go-nuts 21:03 < zippoxer> and I think that's enough to close this topic. 21:03 < zippoxer> go Go. 21:04 < skelterjohn|work> just as long as you've got the last word, i suppose 21:04 < aiju> hell, in reality, i don't even care too much about this issue 21:04 < skelterjohn|work> i'm not really a fan of the gtk bindings 21:04 < skelterjohn|work> i couldn't get them working on my mac 21:06 -!- Lockal [~Lockal@wikipedia/Lockal] has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 21:07 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 21:07 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:07 < zippoxer> you're saying it for real? 21:07 < skelterjohn|work> uh 21:07 < skelterjohn|work> yes. 21:08 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-mcwlligvnqfpvlak] has joined #go-nuts 21:08 < zippoxer> I'm sure str1ngs can help you with that (if u want) 21:08 < zippoxer> I only know that goinstall isn't the way to install it 21:08 < zippoxer> gomake worked forme 21:09 < skelterjohn|work> the bindings were not the problem, specifically. it was installing the right version of gtk 21:09 < str1ngs> I run linux on my mac need I say more? 21:09 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-0-148.eduroam.inholland.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:09 < skelterjohn|work> i can't imagine getting a mac and putting linux on it 21:09 < skelterjohn|work> just pay less for a laptop with no OS 21:09 -!- B33p [~mgray@li226-224.members.linode.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:09 < aiju> I run my car by putting horses in front of it 21:10 < str1ngs> lol you assumed I paid for it 21:10 < zippoxer> :P 21:10 < aiju> str1ngs stole it 21:10 < aiju> obviosuly 21:10 < aiju> *obviously 21:10 < skelterjohn|work> i don't make a habit of following around trucks with the back open 21:10 < str1ngs> and now I'm a theft 21:10 < skelterjohn|work> so that solution isn't available to me 21:10 < str1ngs> thief* 21:12 < str1ngs> also you assumed it was a laptop 21:12 < aiju> str1ngs is running linux on a fruit 21:12 < skelterjohn|work> it's amazing how much is assumed when you're vague 21:13 < str1ngs> I run linux on my mac need I say more? 21:13 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-mcwlligvnqfpvlak] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 21:13 < str1ngs> and you proceed to make a bunch of assumptions 21:13 < skelterjohn|work> i figured you weren't goint to say more 21:14 < skelterjohn|work> this is a strange thing to get offended about, to be honest 21:14 < str1ngs> when really all my point was I can help much with your gtk issues since I dont run OSX 21:14 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-3-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #go-nuts 21:15 -!- ArgonneIntern [82ca0251@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.202.2.81] has joined #go-nuts 21:15 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-3-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-3-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15 < ArgonneIntern> anyone know off hand if http.ListenAndServe is blocking or nonblocking 21:15 < skelterjohn|work> blocking 21:15 < skelterjohn|work> probably 21:15 < ArgonneIntern> is there a non blockig command like it? 21:16 < skelterjohn|work> go http.ListenAndServe() 21:16 < str1ngs> ^ 21:16 < ArgonneIntern> ahh ty 21:16 < ArgonneIntern> lol 21:17 < skelterjohn|work> be careful, though - that ignores the error that the function returns 21:17 < skelterjohn|work> you might consider wrapping an anonymous function which prints out the error, if there is one 21:17 < ArgonneIntern> I'm not concerned about the error atm 21:17 < ArgonneIntern> but I will eventually so I'll do that later 21:17 < skelterjohn|work> go func() { err := http.ListenAndServe(...); if err != nil { fmt.Println(err) } }() 21:17 < skelterjohn|work> famous last words 21:18 < ArgonneIntern> won't that execute just once 21:18 < skelterjohn|work> some reason you'd want it to execute multiple times? 21:18 < ArgonneIntern> http deamon 21:18 < ArgonneIntern> dishing out json responses 21:18 < skelterjohn|work> ListenAndServe loops 21:19 < skelterjohn|work> accepting connections from sockets and giving them to handlers 21:19 < ArgonneIntern> oh ok 21:19 < ArgonneIntern> well that is convenient lol 21:20 -!- twolfe18 [~twolfe18@CMU-447816.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Quit: twolfe18] 21:21 < zippoxer> was this channel firstly created by google? 21:21 < skelterjohn|work> the owners are google employees 21:22 < skelterjohn|work> adg is andrew gerrand 21:22 < zippoxer> nice :) 21:22 < aiju> adg is the führer of this channel 21:22 < ArgonneIntern> so listen and serve loops until an error is returned? 21:22 < ArgonneIntern> I would assume it returns on an error if you handle it on the next line explicitly 21:22 < zippoxer> func listen() { err := http.ListenAndServe(...); if err != nil { listen() } } 21:23 < zippoxer> will automatically relisten on error. 21:23 < skelterjohn|work> that seems like a bad idea 21:23 < skelterjohn|work> ArgonneIntern: i have no idea what you mean 21:23 < ArgonneIntern> I just want it to listen, serve the request and listen again 21:23 < aiju> zippoxer: go has no tail recursion optimiation 21:23 < skelterjohn|work> following "I would assume" 21:23 < aiju> for {} is your friend 21:23 < zippoxer> oh, good to know 21:25 -!- ExtraSpice [XtraSpice@78-57-204-104.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25 < ArgonneIntern> http://www.pastie.org/2098129 21:25 < ArgonneIntern> so like that then? 21:26 -!- cw [~anticw@parsec.stupidest.org] has joined #go-nuts 21:26 < ArgonneIntern> and just call a go on in in my main loop 21:26 -!- ijknacho [~ijknacho4@cpe-72-190-64-3.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:26 < skelterjohn|work> that code would do stuff, sure 21:26 < skelterjohn|work> it was the "if" part i didn't really get 21:26 < zippoxer> but why should it fail? 21:27 < ArgonneIntern> ack that's supposed to be != nil 21:27 < skelterjohn|work> the listening port is already bound is a good reason 21:27 < skelterjohn|work> and a good reason not to loop 21:27 < zippoxer> yeah 21:27 < skelterjohn|work> since trying again is unlikely to fix it 21:27 < ArgonneIntern> I'm confused, I think I'm not understanding the multiple responses 21:27 < zippoxer> if u like your computer don't loop for any error 21:27 < ArgonneIntern> so will listen and serve loop? 21:28 < skelterjohn|work> it loops internally, yes 21:28 < ArgonneIntern> also the printError func exits with -1 21:28 < ArgonneIntern> on an error 21:28 < ArgonneIntern> so I don't need to loop forever 21:28 < ArgonneIntern> I can just go the lisetn and serve, catch the error and bail 21:28 < skelterjohn|work> i don't know if ListenAndServe will ever return if there isn't an error 21:29 < ArgonneIntern> and it will loop otherwise 21:29 < ArgonneIntern> ok that's perfect 21:29 < ArgonneIntern> that's what I want lol 21:29 < skelterjohn|work> well, maybe i'm wrong - i'll double check the source 21:30 < skelterjohn|work> my mistake 21:30 < skelterjohn|work> it listens for and serves just one request 21:30 < skelterjohn|work> so you need to loop on your own 21:30 < ArgonneIntern> ok 21:30 < skelterjohn|work> wait 21:31 < skelterjohn|work> i may be mistaken about my mistake 21:31 < str1ngs> you are 21:31 < str1ngs> it blocks 21:31 < skelterjohn|work> yes - i am. 21:31 < skelterjohn|work> it calls Serve, which loops, accepting and serving 21:31 < skelterjohn|work> i guessed wrongly about what net.Listen returned 21:31 < ArgonneIntern> cool well thanks >< 21:32 < skelterjohn|work> and if it ever reaches the Serve bit, it will never return without an error 21:33 < ArgonneIntern> nice 21:33 < zippoxer> does ListenAndServe handle concurrently? 21:34 < zippoxer> * does ListenAndServe handle requests concurrently? 21:34 < ArgonneIntern> i just put it in a wrapper to call the listen and serve and handle the error and used "go" on it 21:34 < skelterjohn|work> zippoxer: yes 21:34 < ArgonneIntern> it does does it 21:34 < ArgonneIntern> well then I need semaphores 21:34 < ArgonneIntern> lol 21:35 -!- alkavan_ [~alkavan@IGLD-84-228-189-104.inter.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 21:36 < kevlar_work> ArgonneIntern, eew, semaphores. 21:36 < kevlar_work> use channels or mutexes ;-) 21:37 < ArgonneIntern> a mutex is a semaphore 21:37 < ArgonneIntern> lol 21:37 < skelterjohn|work> semaphores are for reading/writing data safely - mutexes are for blocking processes until something happens 21:37 < skelterjohn|work> i think 21:37 < kevlar_work> a mutex is a semaphore that has logic around it to make it harder to abuse :) 21:38 < ArgonneIntern> mutexes are often implemented with semaphores I'm pretty sure 21:38 < kevlar_work> for instance, it's always zero or one. 21:38 < kevlar_work> they are in Go. 21:38 < ArgonneIntern> right 21:38 < jlaffaye> a mutexe is a special semaphore (1) 21:38 < ArgonneIntern> right 21:38 < kevlar_work> I have a CL out for a Semaphore type, but as I was making it I realized all of the reasons why exposing it was a bad idea. 21:38 -!- init6 [~chad@ice.superfrink.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:39 < ArgonneIntern> anyways I love talking to you guys but I gots to go home for the night 21:39 < ArgonneIntern> thanks for the help with the http 21:39 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:39 < ArgonneIntern> cya guys tomorrow bright and early 21:40 < skelterjohn|work> later 21:43 < init6> I am using http.HandleFunc(). Printf with %#v shows that the the http.ResponseWriter is a http.response and it has a member "status" that is not exported. I would like to read "status". 21:43 < skelterjohn|work> you can't 21:43 < init6> The end goal is just to create a log entry after the request is served. 21:43 < skelterjohn|work> things that are not exported are inaccessible 21:44 -!- ArgonneIntern [82ca0251@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.202.2.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:44 < skelterjohn|work> unless you use unsafe to inspect the bare memory 21:44 -!- tavis_rain [~tavisb@24-104-129.146.hfc.mediarain.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:44 < init6> *nod* I was thinking of adding a GetStatus() but http.response is not exported either. 21:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: darkhelmetlive, welterde, tncardoso, Varriount, xulfer, apexo, TheMueCloud, jessta, dreadlorde, Adys, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:51 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@189.59.178.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 21:51 -!- zippoxer [~zippoxer@109.65.248.117] has joined #go-nuts 21:52 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined 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