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Are there any known work in progress porting Go to x86 (as opposed to Linux/x86)? 15:03 < str1ngs> temoto: what OS are you talking about windows? 15:03 < temoto> str1ngs, i mean bare machine, no OS 15:04 < str1ngs> there is a toy kernel written in go 15:04 < aiju> temoto: there has been a bare machine runtie 15:04 < aiju> it was abandoned because of "well it was fun but we have no clue what this is supposed to be good for" 15:05 < aiju> i think it has been forked 15:05 < aiju> look for "go tiny" 15:06 -!- sebastia1skejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has joined #go-nuts 15:06 < aiju> is there any go 9p package? 15:06 < Fish> yes 15:06 < aiju> http://code.google.com/p/go9p/ ah there it went 15:07 < temoto> Thanks. 15:07 < temoto> found both 15:07 < aiju> "both"? 15:07 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:08 < aiju> go 9p is broken 15:08 < temoto> aiju, yes, you mentioned tinygo and str1ngs mentioned i guess this https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/golang-nuts/fS6Yg8o_cdQ 15:08 < aiju> temoto: i think he meant my toy OS :) 15:09 < aiju> gofy.cat-v.org 15:09 < aiju> didn't knew there was another one 15:09 -!- prasmussen [pii@rasm.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:09 < temoto> Thanks. 15:09 < aiju> http://code.google.com/p/gofy/source/browse/ for the code 15:09 < aiju> but it probably doesn't compile 15:09 < aiju> i stopped working on it because every two days the code would stop compiling 15:11 -!- wchicken [~chicken@c-71-235-58-74.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:11 < aiju> damnit 15:12 < aiju> is there any WORKING 9p implementation? 15:13 -!- ancientlore [~ancientlo@ip68-110-238-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:14 -!- ancientlore_ [~ancientlo@ip68-110-238-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:14 -!- ancientlore_ [~ancientlo@ip68-110-238-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:17 -!- ancientlore 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18:09 -!- wchicken [~chicken@c-71-235-58-74.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:16 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:f40b:b038:3287:ec8c] has joined #go-nuts 18:23 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@89.127.177.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:33 < crazy2be> you know that moment when you suddenly realize why everything isn't working? 18:37 < TheMue> yep, just have the same with my jquery integration in my appengine app (including a callback to retrieve json from the server) 18:40 < zozoR> when i am having a bad day, i read aiju's rant section and feel better afterwards 18:40 < aiju> hahaha 18:43 -!- zippoxer [~zippoxer@109.64.192.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:46 -!- Nitro [~Nitro@unaffiliated/nitro] has joined #go-nuts 18:50 < zozoR> "Many vendors have started shipping their software with all required libraries, which basically combines the disadvantages of static and of dynamic linking." 18:50 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55 < TheMue> zozoR: *rofl* 18:57 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #go-nuts 18:57 -!- robteix [~robteix@host243.200-82-125.telecom.net.ar] has joined #go-nuts 18:58 -!- robteix [~robteix@host243.200-82-125.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Client Quit] 19:00 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:03 < skelterjohn> "zippoxer: problem with gb: typing gb -R prints an error: http://www.pastie.org/2125457" i wish people would update to the latest version before telling everyone about bugs 19:03 < skelterjohn> granted, i fixed that the day before yesterday...but still 19:04 < crazy2be> zozoR: Dynamic linking usually means faster compiles 19:05 < crazy2be> if you are linking with big libraries 19:05 < aiju> crazy2be: dynamic linking usually means less cats 19:05 < zozoR> dude, we code go in here 19:05 < zozoR> wtf is compile time? 19:05 < crazy2be> lol 19:05 < zozoR> 130 KLOC takes about 10 seconds max 19:05 < crazy2be> not on my computer... 19:06 -!- zippoxer [~zippoxer@bzq-79-181-249-97.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:06 < aiju> write FPGA code 19:06 < aiju> you will NEVER ever complain about compile time again ;P 19:06 -!- iwinulose [~charlesdu@c-67-188-13-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: iwinulose] 19:06 < aiju> compiling FPGA code takes a few minutes for 100 lines 19:06 < crazy2be> 31 seconds to clean and compile my web framework + all modules 19:06 < zozoR> vdhl is the devils way of saying fuck you :D 19:08 < zozoR> "dynamic linking usually means less cats" i almost believe i need that on a t-shirt too 19:08 < crazy2be> aiju: You mean less kittens? 19:09 < crazy2be> hmm 19:09 < crazy2be> there was an openid library somewhere 19:09 < crazy2be> i stole it, updated it, and used it in my own web app 19:09 < TheMue> hmm, coding a mix of javascript and jquery inside a template string inside go code is funny. I need embedded systax highlighting. 19:09 < crazy2be> but now I have no idea where i got it from 19:09 < crazy2be> TheMue: Or seperate files 19:10 < aiju> crazy2be: i meant to imply, dynamic linking doesn't affect compile time 19:10 < aiju> only link time 19:10 < crazy2be> aiju: link time is part of overall compile time 19:10 < crazy2be> like how long it takes me to get an executable from my code 19:11 < TheMue> crazy2be: yep, that will be the result, currently it's just prototyping. 19:11 < crazy2be> TheMue: What're you working on? 19:11 < aiju> TheMue: syntax highlighting is spawn from hell 19:11 < crazy2be> syntax highlighting is pretty :) 19:11 < TheMue> aiju: i like it 19:11 < aiju> text is text and not a rainbow -- uriel 19:12 < aiju> see also http://aiju.de/rant/syntax-highlighting 19:12 < TheMue> crazy2be: a portal project inside the appengine 19:12 < taruti> aiju: just use a monochrome monitor with it :P 19:12 < crazy2be> rainbows are prettier than text 19:12 < aiju> taruti: syntax highlighting predates color monitors 19:12 < aiju> you can also typeset some random stuff bold 19:12 < taruti> rainbows <3 19:12 < aiju> and pretend it makes shit easier to read 19:12 < crazy2be> it makes code more readable 19:13 -!- DisposaBoy [~DisposaBo@79.142.65.19] has joined #go-nuts 19:14 < zozoR> aiju, just won't admit that he is colourblind 19:14 < aiju> hahaha 19:14 -!- vsmatck [~smack@64-142-40-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14 < crazy2be> syntax highlighting doesn't make sense for poetry 19:14 < crazy2be> there's little meaning in the distinctions between the words 19:14 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:14 < zozoR> it does when you are a grammanzi 19:14 < zozoR> nazi* 19:15 < aiju> crazy2be: uh huh? pretty much the same thing 19:15 < zozoR> you give the verbs the red colour, and blue colour to the .. blue words which i cant remember the english name for 19:15 < crazy2be> well then you should color all the nouns one color, all the adjectives one color... 19:15 < zozoR> nouns :D 19:16 < zozoR> if someone made that kind of syntax highlighting, my english exam would have been better 19:16 < aiju> crazy2be: that's what that example is 19:16 < aiju> except that is fucked up for some words 19:16 < aiju> just like real syntax highlighting 19:16 < crazy2be> t.t 19:16 < crazy2be> oops 19:16 < zozoR> which is short for colourblind aiju :P 19:16 < crazy2be> wrong emoticon 19:16 < crazy2be> -.- 19:17 < zozoR> "I JUST GIVE THESE WORDS RANDOM COLOUR AND THEN HATE ON SYNTAX HIGHLIGHTING!" :D 19:17 < aiju> zozoR: they are not random 19:17 -!- iwinulose [~charlesdu@c-67-188-13-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:18 < zozoR> :3 19:18 < zozoR> oh 19:19 -!- fenicks [~fenicks@log77-3-82-243-254-112.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:19 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:32 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@189.59.134.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33 -!- bakedb [~kel@cpc4-lea21-0-0-cust755.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:34 < crazy2be> aiju: Also the color scheme on that site is awful 19:34 < aiju> it's a reference to CGA 19:38 < crazy2be> nice rants tho 19:38 < crazy2be> even if they are falicious sometimes 19:39 < crazy2be> what about time gcc test.c and time gcc -static test.c? 19:39 < aiju> "falicious"? 19:39 < aiju> do you mean "fallacious"? 19:40 < crazy2be> yeah, konversation doesn't have spellcheck :/ 19:40 < crazy2be> not sure why 19:40 < aiju> a bad worker blames his tools 19:40 < crazy2be> heh 19:40 < crazy2be> Well I could google it to see if it was correct 19:40 < aiju> wow 19:40 < crazy2be> but that would slow things down a lot 19:40 < aiju> why is gcc static linking so slow 19:41 < crazy2be> I have no idea why, just that it is 19:41 < crazy2be> which is why I liked dynamic linking when developing 19:42 < aiju> % time rc -c '8c test.c ; 8l test.8' 19:42 < aiju> 0.01u 0.00s 0.11r 19:42 < crazy2be> also you added zozoR's quote to your about page :P 19:42 < aiju> yeah 19:42 < aiju> this is why i prefer kencc when developing ;P 19:43 < jessta> aiju: your rant about the GPL, the freedom in the GPL isn't for the developer it's for the user. 19:44 < aiju> the freedom in third reich is for the aryans, not the jews 19:44 < aiju> (yes, godwin's law) 19:44 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d75-158-128-132.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:44 < jessta> ...that was quick 19:44 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d75-158-128-132.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:45 < crazy2be> lol 19:46 -!- wrtp [~rog@p5DD5A207.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:46 < aiju> anyway, gpl doesn't make the user any more free than bsd 19:46 < crazy2be> yes it does 19:46 < aiju> uh hu? 19:46 < crazy2be> it gaurentees they will have access to the source code 19:46 < aiju> for derivative works 19:47 < crazy2be> which means they can ascertain for sure what is happening 19:47 < aiju> as a user of a program i don't care what anyone else is doing with it 19:48 < crazy2be> that's fine 19:48 < crazy2be> you don't have to care 19:48 < crazy2be> other people might tho 19:48 < jessta> bsd relies on people not being dicks, the GPL tries to prevent them from being dicks 19:48 < aiju> they should see a psychologist, then 19:49 < crazy2be> gnv b bjhnhk.';[lpikjhbnjkm,nbvnjhhcdwexfxccfxsc zcxxzxcxfxvc vbgty5g67hu66gjikihybft6btbgvtccrtrctrcfee34dreesrfegrcdfdsftgydsrftgyhjikl;kioup;['0=][-0o9kijuhygtfredwqw3erftegyhgjyiklo;'; 19:49 < crazy2be> 'nmmki,iilokjhbghn vbhftvgbffrdrdrftrtds5rdgdsredeesrafcxaZQSXXedexdrf4rftgrv5fdgfrtfrt4ertygfdcgvdvgdgvgcbdbfrdvgbcxscvb bbvgtcrbyhnjmkiokhbgvhbjnkm,l;. vcxcvgcgf6rgh 19:49 < crazy2be> sorry 19:49 < crazy2be> vacuuming my keyboard 19:50 < crazy2be> jessta: Exactly. Positive vs negative freedoms 19:50 < aiju> there was this other good gpl rant 19:50 < jessta> but I don't really care for the GPL anyway, it complicates things and isn't important if users actually value freedom in their software 19:51 < crazy2be> Well, the GPL is stupid for librarys 19:51 < crazy2be> *libraries 19:51 < crazy2be> but makes sence for some larger applications 19:51 < crazy2be> like the linux kernel should be gpl imo 19:51 < crazy2be> because if it was bsd, there would be 100000 different commercial versions of it 19:51 < crazy2be> like what happened with unix 19:52 -!- wrtp [~rog@p5DD5A207.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 19:52 < crazy2be> that's the danger of having a large application bsd: It can easily become fragmented because of compitition between comercial interests 19:53 < crazy2be> and as opposed to a library, there's not much advantage of being bsd 19:53 < crazy2be> maybe i'm wrong 19:53 < aiju> huh? unix code was very strictly licensed 19:54 < crazy2be> strictly how? 19:54 < aiju> as in 19:54 < aiju> USE THIS CODE AND WE WILL SUE YOU 19:54 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:55 < aiju> it was developed at AT&T, what would you expect? 19:56 < crazy2be> then how did the unix wars come about? 19:57 < aiju> SysV was an AT&T product 19:58 < aiju> no clue how berkeley got through 19:59 < aiju> they got into legal trouble later 19:59 < aiju> violating licenses don't make god strike you with lightning immediately, you know 20:00 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:02 < aiju> http://mod16.org/hurfdurf/?p=101 regarding GPL 20:04 < crazy2be> llol 20:04 -!- iwinulose [~charlesdu@c-67-188-13-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: iwinulose] 20:05 < jessta> aiju: you realise the GPL is a reaction to the problem of copyright 20:07 < jessta> it creates a little world where the problem doesn't exist 20:15 -!- bakedb [~kel@cpc4-lea21-0-0-cust755.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:17 -!- alexandere [~alexander@eijg.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: alexandere] 20:20 -!- alanlian1 [~yogafire@c-71-204-189-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:22 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1C446.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:23 -!- alanliang [~yogafire@c-71-204-189-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:27 -!- robteix [~robteix@host243.200-82-125.telecom.net.ar] has joined #go-nuts 20:30 -!- wrtp [~rog@p5DD5A207.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:31 < zippoxer> so... people.. what do you say about oop? 20:31 < aiju> oop spelled backwards is poo -- uriel 20:31 < zippoxer> Lol. 20:31 < zippoxer> I just read that page of yours 20:32 < aiju> well, "page" 20:32 < aiju> has yet to be extended 20:32 < zippoxer> what to extend there? 20:32 < aiju> heh 20:32 < zippoxer> :) 20:32 < aiju> needs text 20:32 < zippoxer> the package structure is more good for the human brain! 20:32 < aiju> but "oop" is a meaningless time 20:32 < aiju> so meh 20:35 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d75-158-128-132.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47 < zozoR> what is the difference between oop and the thing running in go : | 20:47 < aiju> zozoR: no one really knows 20:47 < aiju> oop is a hype and as usual with a hype no one knows what it actually is 20:48 < crazy2be> "Object-oriented programming (OOP) is a programming paradigm using "objects" – data structures consisting of data fields and methods together with their interactions – to design applications and computer programs." 20:48 < crazy2be> good oop is good 20:48 < crazy2be> bad oop is bad 20:48 < aiju> nice theoretical definition 20:48 < aiju> now apply it to practice 20:48 < zozoR> and how is that different from structs that you can envoke functions on .. 20:48 < crazy2be> zozoR: data visibility generally 20:49 < crazy2be> and syntactic sugar (foo.Bar() rather than package_foo_bar(foo)) 20:49 < crazy2be> that being said, most attempts at oop I see are horrid 20:50 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #go-nuts 20:50 < aiju> "package_foo_bar" is largely superfluous 20:50 < zozoR> i still dont see a difference 20:50 < crazy2be> and the stupid association with "real objects" that everywhere teaches it as 20:50 < aiju> haha 20:50 -!- tav [~tav@2.99.70.91] has joined #go-nuts 20:50 < crazy2be> like using a car as an example of a class 20:51 < jessta> it's great at marketing itself 20:51 < aiju> comparing programming languages to natural languages is like comparing operating system kernels to popcorn kernels 20:51 < zozoR> XD 20:51 < aiju> jessta: so is XML 20:51 < crazy2be> it's eXtensible! 20:51 < crazy2be> everyone wants that! 20:52 < aiju> yeah 20:52 < aiju> "extensibility" and "code reuse" 20:52 < jessta> XML, it's just like html and you already know html so this should be easy 20:52 < zozoR> typedef Car struct { wheels int}; func (c Car) RemoveWheels() {Dostuff} 20:52 < zozoR> object 20:52 < aiju> keywords to turn off the brains of many programmers 20:52 < crazy2be> zozoR: Except that design probably doesn't work out well in practice 20:53 < crazy2be> it's quite possible that the most logical seperation of logic is not having different cars 20:53 < crazy2be> if you're writing a routing system, you probably don't care about individual cars 20:54 < aiju> code caring about the real world? that's just the path to insanity 20:54 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-61-93.btc-net.bg] has joined #go-nuts 20:54 < crazy2be> but the biggest issue is the lack of well-defined responsibility boundries 20:54 < crazy2be> I've come across it many times back when I was writing C++ 20:54 < crazy2be> you might want your CarManager object to give all your cars access to the Road they are on, so that they can spill oil on it 20:54 < aiju> "responsibility boundaries"? 20:55 < crazy2be> and the BarrierBase so that they can crash into it 20:55 < zozoR> so its about inherinting? 20:55 < crazy2be> aiju: What the responsibility of the object is 20:55 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d75-158-128-132.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:56 < aiju> i have no clue what you mean 20:56 < crazy2be> zozoR: Go is probably OOP based on the wikipedia definition, but it's a meaningless term really 20:57 < crazy2be> go wouldn't be OOP under the normal usage, like java is OOP 20:57 < crazy2be> aiju: Real objects have almost no limits on what they can do 20:57 < aiju> ah 20:57 < aiju> that real objects stuff 20:57 < crazy2be> so it's harder (I find) to draw the boundry lines from responsibilities 20:57 < aiju> who cares, really 20:57 < zozoR> : | 20:57 < zozoR> what can a class do that a struct cant 20:58 < aiju> zozoR: fancy inheritance 20:58 < crazy2be> zozoR: Constructors, destructors 20:58 < zozoR> cant it just embed stuff 20:58 < aiju> there is no polymorphism 20:58 < crazy2be> but Interfaces are basically inheritance 20:58 < zozoR> you would have to add methods too if you count Constructors and destructors as "lacking" 20:59 < zozoR> cant java interfaces do the same as go interfaces 20:59 < zozoR> except that they have to be implemented 20:59 < crazy2be> zozoR: Kinda 20:59 < crazy2be> they have to be explicit 20:59 < aiju> cant bicycles do the same as planes 21:00 < aiju> except that they have to be manually powered 21:00 < crazy2be> bikes are better 21:00 < aiju> i'm glad i'm not going by bike to vienna tomorrow 21:00 < zozoR> i dont believe you can compare it that way :D 21:00 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@89.127.177.74] has joined #go-nuts 21:01 < zozoR> well, i suppose the point is that no one cares wth oop is 21:01 -!- Lockal [~Lockal@wikipedia/Lockal] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03 -!- Halavanja [~chatzilla@anlextwls002-095.wl.anl-external.org] has joined #go-nuts 21:03 < Halavanja> I have another stupid question about maps 21:03 < Halavanja> I am trying to assign a value to a map that is declared as a struct with a string as an index 21:04 < Halavanja> It will not let me assign values to different parts of the struct based on this index using member selctor oporator 21:04 < Halavanja> Is there another way to do this? 21:04 < crazy2be> Halavanja: foo["bar"].SomeStructField doesn't work? 21:05 < Halavanja> no sadly 21:05 < crazy2be> what is the error? 21:06 < crazy2be> because it should work as I understand it 21:06 < Halavanja> cannot assign to fm.data[address].Counts 21:06 < Halavanja> thats what I thought as well 21:06 < crazy2be> hm 21:06 < jessta> Halavanja: yeah, you can't do that 21:07 < aiju> Halavanja: use pointers 21:07 < aiju> map[string] *SomeStruct 21:07 -!- zcram [~zcram@78-28-96-16.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07 < jessta> items in maps aren't addressable 21:07 < crazy2be> oh, I probably was just always using pointers :P 21:07 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:f40b:b038:3287:ec8c] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:08 < Halavanja> So if I make that struct a pointer I will be able to direclty assign with a dereference? 21:08 < aiju> yeah, should 21:08 * aiju is off to sleep 21:08 < crazy2be> aiju: Sweet dreams 21:08 < crazy2be> Don't have any nightmeres about the GPL! 21:08 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:09 < Halavanja> Okay I will try that. 21:09 < Halavanja> So far it throws a stack blown error 21:10 < Halavanja> But I may have to change the code a little. 21:10 < crazy2be> stack blown? 21:10 < crazy2be> wtf? 21:10 < Halavanja> You know a trace back when a invalid pointer is referenced wrong 21:10 < Halavanja> May not be a blown stack lol 21:10 < Halavanja> Might have my terminology a bit wrong 21:10 < Halavanja> lol 21:10 < crazy2be> oh 21:11 < crazy2be> invalid pointer or nil pointer dereference or something? 21:11 < crazy2be> not actually the stack exploding 21:11 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF548E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 21:11 < crazy2be> because that should never happen in go 21:11 < Halavanja> Ya 21:12 < Halavanja> haha Its an old thing we used to say in my school when we were being lazy and didn't feel like naming things 21:12 < crazy2be> lol 21:12 < crazy2be> you could just say it "blew up" :P 21:13 < Halavanja> Haha yeah. That is exactly what it is doing right now 21:13 < Halavanja> Says I have a lookup in nil map... 21:14 < crazy2be> make(map[string]*Struct) first? 21:14 < Halavanja> Yeah. Ill post the code in a sec 21:16 < Halavanja> http://pastebin.com/VJxy1Af1 21:17 -!- huin [~huin@91.85.188.1] has quit [Quit: bedtime] 21:17 < jessta> Halavanja: you still have to make() the maps in strcuts 21:18 < Halavanja> Can that declaration exsist in a struct naming? 21:18 < Halavanja> I wasnt aware I could do that 21:18 < jessta> fm.data = make(map[string]*Data_store) 21:18 -!- Fish-- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:18 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:19 < jessta> no, you'll have to do it on a function 21:19 < Halavanja> I did. 21:19 < Halavanja> And it still blew up 21:19 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-61-93.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:19 < Halavanja> Which it weird 21:19 < jessta> it's common to create a function like NewFlunkym() to construct types 21:20 < Halavanja> Yeah. I have an init function like that 21:22 < jessta> http://pastebin.com/cMxFRXyy 21:23 -!- wrtp [~rog@p5DD5A207.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:25 < Halavanja> http://pastebin.com/sZmMSJy4 21:25 < Halavanja> That may work as well 21:27 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28 < jessta> Halavanja: but then you have to new(Flunkym) aswell anyway 21:29 < Halavanja> Ya that would be the first call before it 21:29 < Halavanja> but i see what you mean 21:32 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-61-93.btc-net.bg] has joined #go-nuts 21:34 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED43A0B.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:34 * Varriount is away (Washing face) 21:35 -!- wchicken [~chicken@c-71-235-58-74.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:51 -!- chomp [~chomp@c-67-186-35-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:51 -!- pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-172-131.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:52 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@89.127.177.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-175-46.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:56 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.24.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56 -!- franciscosouza_ [~francisco@187.105.24.41] has joined #go-nuts 22:04 -!- Slant [~scott@124-168-88-185.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 22:10 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:10 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:11 -!- Halavanja [~chatzilla@anlextwls002-095.wl.anl-external.org] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110622232440]] 22:15 < temoto> Could someone explain runtime assembly defintions, e.g. TEXT runtime.cgocallback(SB),7,$12 <- what is SB, 7 and 12? 22:16 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@89.127.177.74] has joined #go-nuts 22:18 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:20 -!- franciscosouza_ [~francisco@187.105.24.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.24.41] has joined #go-nuts 22:22 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@89.127.177.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:29 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:36 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1C446.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37 -!- dannyft [~dannyft@3e6b1d4f.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #go-nuts 22:38 -!- robteix [~robteix@host243.200-82-125.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:39 -!- Love4Boobies [~kvirc@unaffiliated/pinchme] has joined #go-nuts 22:40 -!- Love4Boobies [~kvirc@unaffiliated/pinchme] has left #go-nuts ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 22:40 < crazy2be> temoto: No idea, sorry :P 22:40 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:41 -!- jt_ [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:41 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:41 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:42 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:44 -!- sniper506th [~sniper506@cpe-098-122-081-186.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:58 -!- dannyft [~dannyft@3e6b1d4f.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00 -!- Slant [~scott@124-168-88-185.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Slant] 23:01 < kevlar> temoto: you'll probably have to ask iant or rsc or someone like that. If you post on golang-dev you'll probably get an answer. golang-nuts would probably work too, if you have more general questions surrounding that one. 23:02 < temoto> Thanks. 23:03 < kevlar> no problem. 23:13 -!- Sep102 [~Sep102@c-71-227-179-131.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14 -!- Sep102 [~Sep102@c-71-227-179-131.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:24 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:30 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:35 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:35 -!- franciscosouza_ [~francisco@187.105.24.41] has joined #go-nuts 23:35 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.24.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:44 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-61-93.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:47 < chomp> temoto, check this out: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/asm 23:48 < chomp> it documents that stuff 23:48 < chomp> see the "Defining a procedure" section 23:48 < temoto> chomp, thank you 23:48 < chomp> no prob 23:50 < chomp> you may still have to dig around a bit more, but looking at plan9 assembler will probably help 23:52 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:55 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.76.7] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 23:59 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] --- Log closed Mon Jun 27 00:00:54 2011