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[~Adium@rrcs-74-218-87-242.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:16 -!- odoacre [~antonio@218.241.169.34] has joined #go-nuts 03:20 -!- aat [~aat@cpe-72-225-174-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:39 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has joined #go-nuts 03:50 -!- BrentRitterbeck [~BrentRitt@d199-74-53-98.nap.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:51 -!- jmil [~jmil@c-68-81-252-40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jmil] 03:57 -!- benjack [~benjack@bb220-255-251-77.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts 04:10 < s|k> if I add a flag 04:10 < s|k> is help supposed to work automatically? 04:10 < s|k> er -help 04:11 < s|k> because ./6.out -help gives me nothing and neither does ./6.out -help 1 04:11 * s|k rereads flag package documentation 04:12 < f2f> -h 04:16 < s|k> hrm 04:19 < s|k> http://goo.gl/IGW7E 04:19 < s|k> if I compile that ./6.out -h does nothing 04:20 < s|k> and any value for -test is ignored 04:20 < s|k> hrmmmm 04:20 < s|k> I must be missing something 04:20 < f2f> you're missing flag.Parse() 04:21 < s|k> thanks. 04:21 < f2f> np 04:22 -!- ericvh [~Adium@cpe-72-177-122-77.austin.res.rr.com] has left #go-nuts [] 04:28 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:36 -!- aat [~aat@cpe-72-225-174-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:42 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@113.84.91.221] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:48 < s|k> reading the package source helps 04:48 < s|k> when I run into problems 04:48 -!- bjarneh [~bjarneh@1x-193-157-207-107.uio.no] has joined #go-nuts 04:48 < s|k> go leads to such readable code 04:53 -!- vmil86 [~vmil86@88.118.36.96] has joined #go-nuts 04:55 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@200-102-220-163.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has joined #go-nuts 05:01 -!- meling [~meling@134.81-167-41.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08 < f2f> i think it's the other way around, s|k. the people who developed Go tend to be high-quality programmers who write clear, understandable code. witness for example Plan9's source code, which, although written in C, is just as clean as Go code, having been written by the same people largely 05:11 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12 -!- Tv__ [~Tv__@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Tv__] 05:14 -!- Tv__ [~Tv__@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:16 -!- c00w [~colin@c-67-183-138-2.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:16 < str1ngs> f2f: I kinda agree with s|k with gofmt and go syntax go does kind lead to readable code 05:16 < str1ngs> that wont stop all programmer from messing it up of course :P 05:17 < str1ngs> also if you use go best practice of handling each and every err. its even saner 05:20 < f2f> gofmt is a bonus, sure. it works really well in practice. you wish you had it on those other systems, and i think that's the point -- the people who developed go understood the need for it (whether from previous experience or just because it seemed like a good idea at the time) and put it in. my point is that it's the people behind go that make it so clear and readable. 05:23 < str1ngs> ah sorry I did misread what you said. 05:23 -!- arun [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26 < f2f> with time and widespread acceptance i'm sure the quality of go code will decrease and bloat will increase. this isn't something plan9 had to deal with ;) 05:36 -!- djbrown [~djbrown@unaffiliated/djbrown] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:37 < str1ngs> does not everyone use plan9 :P 05:38 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #go-nuts 05:42 < s|k> I am happy that the go packages are so easy to read 05:42 < s|k> whatever reason that may be 05:42 < s|k> I will write go code like in those packages 05:45 < f2f> that's a good goal. i aspire to it too. 06:07 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-18baf7e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 06:11 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-18baf7e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:18 -!- Tv__ [~Tv__@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@pool-71-170-212-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:21 -!- squeese [~squeese@244.14.213.193.static.cust.telenor.com] has joined #go-nuts 06:24 -!- noodles775 [~michael@canonical/launchpad/noodles775] has joined #go-nuts 06:28 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-18baf7e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57 -!- firwen 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[u2979@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-algfxqbezqundpac] has joined #go-nuts 07:43 -!- meling [~meling@pico.ux.uis.no] has joined #go-nuts 07:44 -!- exch [~blbl@ip34-181-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:45 -!- exch [~blbl@ip34-181-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #go-nuts 07:48 -!- odoacre_ [~antonio@218.241.169.34] has joined #go-nuts 07:52 -!- wrtp [~rog@host-92-23-138-50.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 07:54 -!- pyrhho [~pyrhho@027e80ed.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts 08:06 < Soak> hello, I learn the language and I try to rand a number between 0 and 36 08:06 < Soak> but I don't find how :$ 08:07 < zozoR> use rand package 08:08 < Soak> yes I do 08:08 < Soak> but I don't know what function use :s 08:09 < str1ngs> godoc rand Intn 08:10 -!- odoacre_ [~antonio@218.241.169.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:11 < str1ngs> Soak: rand.Intn(36) will return a random number between 0 and 36 08:12 < Soak> oh! nice :) 08:12 < Soak> thank you 08:16 < str1ngs> np 08:19 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:19 < oal> Are there any general benchmarks for go "back then" when google released it compared to now? 08:20 < str1ngs> yes, but not probably in the sense that you mean. 08:20 < str1ngs> there are bench marks that get recorded for certain aspect of go. but I'll have to fish for it 08:21 < str1ngs> might be the build bot waterfall but I"m not sure. 08:21 < oal> Ok, not that important, just curious if there was something easily available 08:21 -!- squeese_ [~squeese@244.14.213.193.static.cust.telenor.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:24 < xyproto> oal: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1724680/go-language-benchmarks 08:24 < str1ngs> http://code.google.com/p/go/source/browse/test/bench/timing.log 08:24 < str1ngs> oal: found the log 08:24 < oal> Thanks! :) 08:25 -!- yogib [~yogib@131.234.59.64] has joined #go-nuts 08:28 -!- sahid [~sahid@LNeuilly-152-21-22-10.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 08:29 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:32 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has joined #go-nuts 08:38 -!- deepfuture [~liuxing@218.75.249.184] has joined #go-nuts 08:39 < Soak> str1ngs: it's normal I need to compile again for generate other numbers? 08:39 -!- ncopa [~ncopa@3.203.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #go-nuts 08:40 < Soak> in fact, even if I compile again, the number stay the same.. strange 08:43 < str1ngs> are you sure about that? 08:45 < str1ngs> ah you might need to seed 08:46 < str1ngs> use rand.Seed(time.Seconds()) 08:47 < str1ngs> but please be if you are using this for secure crypto or something use something with better entropy like /dev/urandom 08:47 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49 < Soak> no, it's just for tests 08:49 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has joined #go-nuts 08:49 < str1ngs> rand.Seed(time.Seconds()) should be enough 08:49 < str1ngs> you only need to call it once. 08:49 < str1ngs> func init() might be a good spot. 08:51 < Soak> http://k.min.us/icL5BHosI.jpg 08:51 < Soak> this is my code and output right now 08:51 < Soak> I will try with your code 08:54 < str1ngs> https://gist.github.com/2c622684c1fda13d3969 08:54 < str1ngs> if you are not sure what func init is I can explain 08:54 -!- jlilly [justinlill@70.32.34.100] has joined #go-nuts 08:56 < Soak> yes, please explain :) 08:58 < str1ngs> init is a special func like main. however it will be called before main 08:58 < str1ngs> you can also us it in packages unlike main 08:58 < str1ngs> in this case we use it to setup rand 08:59 < ncopa> hi, im trying to build gccgo on alpine linux (which uses PIC/PIE) 08:59 < ncopa> i got this error: http://sprunge.us/KUQg 08:59 < str1ngs> alpine linux iirc uses uclibc 09:00 < ncopa> correct 09:00 < Soak> ok thank you 09:00 < str1ngs> not sure how well suported uclibc is with go 09:00 < str1ngs> let me see the error though 09:00 < ncopa> the sprunge link above ^^^ 09:00 -!- squeese [~squeese@cm-84.209.17.156.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 09:01 < str1ngs> ya sorry ment I was going to look at the link 09:01 < str1ngs> does gcc 4.6.1 build without errors.. minus go language? 09:01 < ncopa> correct 09:01 < str1ngs> ok 09:01 < str1ngs> ok let me look more 09:02 < str1ngs> hmm ncopa are you a maintainer for alpine? 09:02 < ncopa> i wonder if its the PIC that cuases this, which needs the ebx register 09:02 < ncopa> yes 09:02 < str1ngs> ah thats where I remember your name from them 09:02 < str1ngs> I did some work on uarch.. do you recall that? 09:03 < str1ngs> this would be a couple of years back now. 09:03 < ncopa> wow, yes i remember 09:03 < ncopa> what happened with uarch? 09:04 < str1ngs> at the time I got busy with work. but now I'm using my own build system and eglibc 09:05 < str1ngs> the only embedded hardware I have is my android tablet so thats all I build for right now 09:06 < ncopa> alpine linux has turned into a more general purpose linux distro based on uclibc 09:06 < str1ngs> I noticed that. I've used it on and off in passing. some good work 09:06 < str1ngs> only issue I have is uclibc mainly binary compatibility 09:06 < ncopa> yeah 09:06 < str1ngs> but great for the stuff you are using it for. 09:07 < ncopa> its great as long as you dont need closed source binaries 09:07 < str1ngs> still look at this error 09:08 -!- kamaji [~kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08 < str1ngs> yes but when you need to tweak an option that something need you need to rebuild so much 09:08 -!- kamaji [~kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 09:08 < str1ngs> granted a full blown uclibc config is still better the glibc 09:08 < str1ngs> in terms of footprint 09:08 < ncopa> yup 09:09 < ncopa> would be nice with go now... 09:09 < str1ngs> my guess you probably use a defall or darn close to it 09:09 < ncopa> thats true 09:10 < ncopa> i think its mostly things thats marked as obsolete thats disabled 09:10 < str1ngs> I'm still looking at this seeing if something stands out 09:11 < ncopa> but obviously, gccgo -c works otherwise 09:11 < ncopa> various other .go files were compiled 09:12 < str1ngs> you add -fPIC to your flags? 09:12 < ncopa> i wonder if its related to ebx registry not beeing available 09:12 < ncopa> yes 09:12 < ncopa> well its coded into gcc specs i think 09:12 < str1ngs> and without that does it build? 09:12 < ncopa> i dont know 09:12 < str1ngs> hmm 09:12 < str1ngs> you gcc specs are vanilla? 09:12 < ncopa> no, i use from hardened gentoo 09:13 < str1ngs> one sec 09:15 < str1ngs> ls $(dirname $(gcc -print-libgcc-file-name))/specs 09:15 < str1ngs> is there a spec file in there? 09:15 < ncopa> ls: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-alpine-linux-uclibc/4.6.1/specs: No such file or directory 09:16 < ncopa> no 09:16 < str1ngs> ok gcc -dumpspec | grep PIC 09:16 < str1ngs> err dumpspecs 09:17 < ncopa> %{!pie:%{!A:%{!fno-pie:%{!fno-PIE:%{!fno-pic:%{!fno-PIC:%{!shared:%{!r: %{!nostdlib:%{!nostartfiles:-pie}}}}}}}}}} 09:17 < ncopa> %{!pie: %{!fpic:%{!fPIC:%{!fpie:%{!fPIE: %{!fno-pic:%{!fno-PIC:%{!fno-pie:%{!fno-PIE: %{!shared: %{!nostdlib: %{!nostartfiles:-fPIE}} } }}}} }}}} } 09:17 < str1ngs> hmm they much adjust gcc start up files ore PIC is uclibc related 09:17 < str1ngs> hust* 09:17 < str1ngs> must* sorry late here :( 09:17 < str1ngs> ok need to find out what PIC does 09:18 < ncopa> its the gentoo hardened patches 09:18 < ncopa> and not really related uclibc 09:18 < ncopa> PIC is position independent code 09:19 < ncopa> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/pic-internals.xml 09:20 < str1ngs> ya seems to adjust function descriptors my guess make it more secure 09:20 < ncopa> for memory randomization i think 09:20 -!- deepfuture [~liuxing@218.75.249.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20 -!- deepfuture [~liuxing@218.75.249.184] has joined #go-nuts 09:21 < str1ngs> wonder if you can turn that off just for this build 09:22 < str1ngs> but.. I've learned more the I can help you. I'll give you the google group for gccgo iant will know 09:23 < ncopa> i had to disable PIE for go1 to get this far 09:24 < str1ngs> http://groups.google.com/group/gofrontend-dev 09:25 < ncopa> thanks! 09:25 < str1ngs> one sec that might not be the best group 09:25 < str1ngs> btw does go gc build with uclibc? 09:25 < ncopa> whats the name of object file? 09:26 < str1ngs> for go? 09:26 < str1ngs> .a 09:26 < str1ngs> ar format 09:26 < str1ngs> but for gccgo they are .o 09:26 < ncopa> i meant the go gc 09:26 < str1ngs> go gc is another implimentation of go 09:26 < ncopa> ah 09:26 < str1ngs> actually kinda the main one that most people use 09:27 < str1ngs> either way that list might be wrong but post to it anyways 09:27 < ncopa> the plan9 one? 09:27 < str1ngs> right 09:27 < ncopa> i havent tried 09:27 < str1ngs> its actually easier to use like 40s to build kinda thing 09:28 < str1ngs> http://golang.org/doc/install.html#fetch 09:28 < str1ngs> but gccgo is good also so still post to the mailing list could be a bug 09:30 < ncopa> i think more its the hardened patch that does it 09:30 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@140.109.98.187] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:31 < str1ngs> have you run into this in the past? 09:31 < str1ngs> if so how did you get around it? 09:31 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-164-185.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 09:31 < ncopa> the error appears to come from go compiler. i have no experience with go compiler 09:32 < ncopa> but i have been into PIC problems with inline asm 09:32 < str1ngs> the problem is go has entry functions 09:32 < str1ngs> I can not explain how they work. just my impression of what I've read 09:32 < str1ngs> iant would know better or one of the developers 09:32 < str1ngs> my guess is this makes them incompatible with PIC 09:33 < ncopa> with asm PIC problem the solution is to fix code not to touch ebx registry 09:33 < Electro^> im having some trouble with interfaces again. please check this code: http://pastebin.com/zyj4bvLA 09:33 < Electro^> Here the input 'i' can be one of several structs, and is mostly (but not always) a slice. 09:33 < Electro^> normally json.Marshal(i) handles all different cases perfectly fine but now i find myself needing to access and modify the input before sending it to json.Marshal() which has brought myself to this code. 09:33 < Electro^> i would like to be able to run a method on everything contained in the slice, though i cannot figure it out... 09:35 < str1ngs> Electro^: i interface{} are thes types you have created? 09:36 < str1ngs> ie these are know types ? 09:36 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@86.86.15.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:36 < Electro^> yes these i have created and are known 09:37 < str1ngs> imo it might be better to attach a ToJson method to those type and have them selves return json representaions 09:37 < str1ngs> ie ToJson() byte 09:37 < str1ngs> byte[] sorry 09:38 < str1ngs> then you can create a interface with ToJson will make tesing what can marshal and not marshal easier 09:40 < Electro^> they already have a 'func (image Image) MarshalJSON() ([]byte, os.Error) {' which json.Marshal(i) uses 09:40 -!- Solak [~stijnw@cthia.xs4all.nl] has joined #go-nuts 09:40 < str1ngs> ah ok one step ahead 09:40 < str1ngs> ok so now instead of having default test for the json interface instead 09:40 < Electro^> problem is that i need to Marshal in two different ways 09:41 < str1ngs> and have default: error for unknown types 09:41 < str1ngs> did that make sense? 09:41 < Electro^> not really, can the caseswitch check for the existance of a function? 09:42 < str1ngs> have deafault: error if you reach default the type is unknown 09:42 < str1ngs> case for Marshaler 09:43 < str1ngs> if its a Marshaler then you know you can unmarshal it 09:44 < str1ngs> double check that type that come through with fmt.Printf("%s",v) iirc that should work you might need %T 09:45 < str1ngs> Electro^: wait why do you have to marshal in two ways? 09:46 < Electro^> Since extJS is retarded and reqires JSON in a certain way 09:46 < Electro^> so i need JSON formatted for extJS and JSON for... well the rest of the world 09:46 -!- firwen [~firwen@adevlaptop.cern.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:46 < str1ngs> extJS is like json call back? 09:47 < Electro^> extJS is a javascript framework we use for our admin tools 09:47 -!- arun__ [~arun@skeletor.few.vu.nl] has joined #go-nuts 09:47 < str1ngs> ok either way it needs to be formatted different 09:47 < Electro^> yeah 09:47 < str1ngs> but MarshalJSON() can that not handle it? 09:48 < Electro^> i can marshal either way fine, but i need to be able to decide which way during runtime 09:49 < Electro^> and json.Marshal calls MarshalJSON() so i need to be able to extract the structs from ' i interface{}' before passing it into json.Marshal 09:49 -!- arun__ [~arun@skeletor.few.vu.nl] has quit [Changing host] 09:49 -!- arun__ [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has joined #go-nuts 09:49 < Electro^> sorry if i explain badly 09:49 < str1ngs> no worries 09:49 < str1ngs> what type does v print out? 09:50 < str1ngs> hmm actually it wont matter. 09:50 -!- prip [~foo@host36-124-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 09:50 < str1ngs> do all types have extJson format or just some? 09:51 < str1ngs> I would think you have extJson format and Json fromat for all depending on the client? 09:51 < Electro^> the client asks for data formatted either as JSON or extJS yes, 09:51 < Electro^> and all data needs to be able to format either way 09:52 < str1ngs> ok then I would have another view for this 09:52 < str1ngs> guessing or handler 09:52 < str1ngs> ie /my/cards/json 09:52 < str1ngs> /my/cards/extJson 09:53 < str1ngs> basically I think you need another handler 09:53 < str1ngs> one handler for json and one for extJson 09:54 < Electro^> yeah been thinking about that aswell, but that would destroy alot of generality and code maintainability 09:54 < str1ngs> I thought that you might say that. but only you know that 09:55 < str1ngs> so the common denominator as I see it is the bytes 09:55 < str1ngs> as in json in byte[] 09:56 < Electro^> Then its too late and already marshalled 09:56 < str1ngs> yes but its a common return type 09:56 < Electro^> if i could run methods on 'i interface{}' this would be a rather easy fix 09:56 < Electro^> cant figure out a way to do that though 09:56 < str1ngs> meh hard to say without see the bigger picture 09:57 < Electro^> cant send much more code than that im afraid 09:57 < str1ngs> thats oke 09:57 < str1ngs> umm you want something like foo.(Bar).ExtJson() 09:58 < Electro^> fmt.Printf("test:%v\n", i.(*[]ivbs.Image)[0]) 09:58 < Electro^> something like that yes 09:58 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@pool-71-170-212-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 09:58 < Electro^> but this code fails with invalid operation: i.(*[]ivbs.Image)[0] (index of type *[]ivbs.Image) 09:58 -!- deepfuture [~liuxing@218.75.249.184] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:59 < str1ngs> what does v print out? 09:59 < Electro^> not compiling so nothing 09:59 < str1ngs> I cant remember if v prints interface types or not 09:59 < str1ngs> or comment out that case 09:59 < str1ngs> and just use default. and have it print out v 09:59 < Electro^> but the 'v' in the switch prints all data in the interface 10:00 < str1ngs> with fmt.Println("%s",v) ? 10:00 < str1ngs> I just want to know if it prints the interface type or the type 10:01 < Electro^> "test:&[{ObjectIdHex("4e4beca6e5d97b2d4400001e") Imag ....." 10:01 < Electro^> it prints the data, with both '%s' and '%v' 10:01 < str1ngs> and %T ? 10:02 < Electro^> test:*[]ivbs.Image 10:03 < str1ngs> ok does that seem right to you then? 10:03 < Electro^> thats its type alright, but still cant figure out how to run methods attached to ivbs.Image 10:03 < Electro^> or to iterate over it 10:03 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 10:04 < str1ngs> ivbs.Image is a struct or interface? 10:04 < Electro^> struct 10:04 < str1ngs> see the problem here? 10:04 < Electro^> hmm, not exactly? 10:05 < str1ngs> pass things as there interface 10:05 -!- benjack [~benjack@bb220-255-251-77.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:05 < str1ngs> then you can call there methods 10:05 < str1ngs> also you can then type asert the interface 10:05 < Electro^> ..and how would i do that? 10:07 < str1ngs> let me make an example 10:07 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:08 < str1ngs> you probably dont even need i interface{} this way 10:08 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 10:08 < Electro^> well i need to pass other structs aswell 10:13 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@pool-71-170-212-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14 < str1ngs> https://gist.github.com/9747b981481f1392614f 10:14 < str1ngs> notice you can pass them as Person which mean you can all there interface methods 10:14 < str1ngs> which means you probably wont need interface{} 10:15 < str1ngs> you can pass ImageMarshall 10:16 < Electro^> oh... yes that work for me 10:16 < str1ngs> make sense? 10:16 < Electro^> thank you for the example 10:16 < Electro^> yeah i understand what you mean 10:16 < str1ngs> so know you understand why I say you dont need interface? 10:16 < Electro^> yep 10:16 < str1ngs> interface{] sorry 10:17 < str1ngs> also embedding might work.. 10:17 < Electro^> i need to test this for a bit 10:17 < Electro^> and also eat lunch which started 20mins ago 10:17 < str1ngs> lol 10:17 < Electro^> i thank you kindly for your help :) 10:17 < str1ngs> np 10:18 < Electro^> hopefully, in time, i'll be able to help people here aswell 10:18 < str1ngs> you helped me just as much :P 10:38 -!- Argue [~Argue@112.198.78.93] has joined #go-nuts 10:47 -!- rand11235 [477b8618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.123.134.24] has joined #go-nuts 10:58 -!- Soak [~Mangano@92-89-15-217.reverse.alphalink.fr] has quit [] 11:08 -!- xash [~xash@d025151.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #go-nuts 11:08 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has joined #go-nuts 11:14 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-150-230.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 11:17 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-164-185.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:18 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@20158117127.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 11:20 < ncopa> i managed to compile gccgo on alpine linux 11:20 < ncopa> but it does not work 11:21 < ncopa> fails to compile hello world 11:21 < ncopa> http://sprunge.us/fJEK 11:22 -!- Argue [~Argue@112.198.78.93] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26 < str1ngs> can you paste your compile line 11:27 < str1ngs> ie are you using gccgo -c foo.go ? 11:27 < ncopa> no 11:27 < ncopa> that works 11:27 < ncopa> its during linking i suppose 11:28 < ncopa> the line is: gccgo hello.go 11:28 < ncopa> 'gccgo -c hello.go' works 11:28 < str1ngs> gcc test.c would work no? 11:28 < ncopa> another alpine dev says that func is special for PIC builds 11:29 < ncopa> i pretty much assme it does since gcc built gccgo... 11:29 < str1ngs> no what I meant is gccgo syntax is the same as gcc 11:30 < str1ngs> just trying to figure out why gccgo -c foo.go works but gccog foo.go doesnt 11:30 < ncopa> gcc hello.c works 11:30 < ncopa> i think its because gccgo has no support for PIC so the __i686.get_pc_thunk.bx is never defined 11:31 < ncopa> note that its libgcc that asks for it 11:31 < str1ngs> right but why does gccgo -c hello.go work then? 11:31 < ncopa> because then the linker is never called 11:32 < str1ngs> ah and when you link? 11:32 < ncopa> appears to be the -fsplit-stack feature 11:32 < ncopa> gcc -fsplit-stack hello.c fails too 11:32 < str1ngs> ya I'm pretty sure PIC is not going to work with gccgo 11:33 < ncopa> it should. PIC is a backend feature 11:33 < ncopa> gccgo is just a frontend 11:33 < ncopa> but i think this is fixed in trunk 11:33 < str1ngs> post to the mailing list iant is the only person that I know of that can help you 11:34 < str1ngs> I was going to say have you tried with a snapshot ie 4.7 11:34 < ncopa> nope 11:34 < ncopa> im aiming for 4.6 for next stable alpine linux release 11:34 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:35 < ncopa> this thing is not gccgo related really 11:35 < str1ngs> are you using go? or this ist so you have a complete gcc distro? 11:35 < ncopa> not using go yet 11:36 < ncopa> i have a gcc package for alpine linux and i wanted add gccgo 11:36 < str1ngs> post to the mailing list iant can help you 11:36 < str1ngs> iant is the author of gccgo and binutils gold . he'll know :P 11:37 < str1ngs> but imo if you are not actually useing gccgo wait till 4.7 . but.. post this issue 11:38 -!- Solak [~stijnw@cthia.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40 < str1ngs> you can also post to gcc-general he's on that list as well if you think its only gcc related. 11:41 < str1ngs> also PIC seems more hastle then its worth? 11:41 < ncopa> ASLR is more hastle than its worth ;) 11:42 < ncopa> i mean, even windows 7 has that nowdays 11:42 < str1ngs> aslr? 11:42 < ncopa> ASRL 11:42 < ncopa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization 11:43 < ncopa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization#Linux 11:43 < str1ngs> meh 11:43 < ncopa> note that alpine linux is mentioned there ;) 11:43 < str1ngs> pax kernel? 11:43 < ncopa> yup 11:44 < str1ngs> I know the reasoning behind it atleast I have idea with alpine 11:44 < str1ngs> but might be over kill.. not sure 11:48 < str1ngs> ncopa: offtopic how hard would it be to reuse apkg with another build system? 11:48 < ncopa> not too hard 11:48 < str1ngs> hmm I might look into it 11:48 < ncopa> the .apk is basically a tar.gz with .PKGINFO at the beginning 11:49 < ncopa> + some signing info 11:49 < str1ngs> you embed signing. not a detached sig? 11:49 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-088-069-138-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 11:49 < ncopa> embed 11:49 < str1ngs> pgp? or ssl? 11:49 < ncopa> ssl 11:49 < str1ngs> :( 11:50 < ncopa> feel frr to join #alpine-devel 11:50 < str1ngs> I may do , just cant right now 11:50 < ncopa> you know where to find us ;) 11:51 < str1ngs> right now I'm using bash but thats limited 11:51 < str1ngs> eventually I need a real package manager. was actually think of writing it in go 11:51 < str1ngs> go has everthing built into the run time you would need 11:52 < str1ngs> openpgp tar/bzip/gz etc 11:52 < ncopa> i noticed libgo is 6MB 11:52 < ncopa> if I'd do a package manager today I'd do it in lua probably 11:52 < str1ngs> libgo is actually not bad 11:52 < str1ngs> static go binaries are usually 3M 11:53 < ncopa> big 11:53 < str1ngs> so for embedded this might not be the best 11:53 < ncopa> yeah 11:53 < ncopa> but go is a very very interesting language 11:53 < ncopa> i see a lot potensial 11:53 < str1ngs> personally though if you use a package and one binary you would still be ahead over lua 11:54 < str1ngs> you could not get the features that are in go. without libarchive openssl pgpme etc 11:54 < str1ngs> substitute alternate lib C variant :P 11:54 < ncopa> true 11:55 < str1ngs> oh and curl 11:55 < str1ngs> what do you use for fetching? libfetc? 11:55 < str1ngs> libfetch* 11:55 < str1ngs> or curl? 11:55 < ncopa> fork(); pipe(); exec("wget -O -"); 11:56 < str1ngs> oh wow really? 11:56 < ncopa> yup 11:56 < ncopa> we talked about make a libcurl implementation 11:56 < ncopa> but never got to there 11:56 < str1ngs> well I use curl in my bash prototype 11:56 < str1ngs> libcurl is acutually pretty easy to work with 11:56 < ncopa> i'd do that to if i'd used bash i think 11:56 < ncopa> btw 11:57 < str1ngs> however.. go is way better :P 11:57 < ncopa> first implementation of apk-tools was in shell 11:57 < ncopa> http://apk-tools.sourceforge.net/ 11:57 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@pool-71-170-212-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 11:57 < ncopa> a package manager written in Go would be interesting yes 11:58 < ncopa> unless saving space is a goal 11:58 < str1ngs> yes but even then you could say use libgo 11:58 < str1ngs> and space is not such an issue with embedded like it use to be. 11:59 < str1ngs> https://github.com/str1ngs/gurl/blob/master/pkg/gurl.go 11:59 < str1ngs> I write a curl like go package. with progress callbacks 12:00 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@pool-71-170-212-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 < ncopa> cool 12:01 < ncopa> but yes 12:01 < str1ngs> and goarchive. 12:02 < ncopa> go sounds like the right tool to making a package manager 12:02 -!- fvbommel [~fvbommel_@86.86.15.250] has joined #go-nuts 12:02 < str1ngs> so the pieces I have mapped out just need to put it together 12:02 < str1ngs> and and gzipped json meta data 12:02 < ncopa> you need a dependency resolver 12:02 < ncopa> which is the hard part i think 12:02 < str1ngs> I do my automatically 12:03 < str1ngs> ie my meta data does not require you to provide depends 12:03 -!- nicka [~nicka@142.176.0.21] has joined #go-nuts 12:03 -!- nicka [~nicka@142.176.0.21] has quit [Changing host] 12:03 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has joined #go-nuts 12:03 < str1ngs> right now I use objdump but I plan on rewriting it in go 12:04 < str1ngs> http://golang.org/pkg/debug/elf/ 12:04 < str1ngs> debug/elf can reald elf headers. and I get get NEEDED from taht 12:05 < ncopa> i use scanelf for that 12:05 < ncopa> cool 12:05 < str1ngs> scanelf might be better mine hasnt been optimized. actually just a place holder for the go stuff 12:06 < str1ngs> because I can compress and resolve NEEDED in one shot 12:06 < str1ngs> but slightly offtopic from your depend resolver 12:12 -!- mkb218 [~mkb@pool-96-233-4-238.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: gotta shut this mutha down] 12:13 < str1ngs> so far though the build system can build i686 x86_64 and arm 12:14 < Electro^> another question then, this time possibly much easier: how do i correctly index this: "m := make([]map[string] interface{}, 30)" 12:14 < Electro^> m[i]["Name"] = image.Name 12:14 < Electro^> compiles but stacktraces 12:15 < str1ngs> ncopa: would you think about go for a package manger. or not practical for uclibc based systems? 12:16 < str1ngs> Electro^: you sure you want a slice of maps? 12:16 < Electro^> quite 12:17 < Electro^> i have a slice of structs, each struct goes into a map, thus a slice of maps 12:18 < str1ngs> that does not compute for me 12:18 < str1ngs> would not map[string]interface{} not provide what you need? 12:19 < str1ngs> I didnt even know you could have a slice of maps.. I need to test that 12:19 < Electro^> im quite certain i did it a while ago, lost the code though 12:19 -!- ancientlore [~ancientlo@ip68-110-238-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:19 -!- aat [~aat@cpe-72-225-174-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:20 < ncopa> str1ngs: i would prefer Go for a package manager over perl, python or even c++. But I'd probably personllay would perfer Lua and C 12:20 < ncopa> but yes, Go sure make sense for a package manager 12:21 < str1ngs> yes but what you gain in a larger binary is not much. compared to the C libs needed so in theory you get more with go 12:21 < str1ngs> go = libc libpthread 12:21 < str1ngs> lua C = libarchive yajl, libfetch, curl, etc etc 12:22 < str1ngs> go has 0 run times depends short of libc and libpthread 12:22 -!- ancientlore [~ancientlo@ip68-110-238-176.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:23 < str1ngs> oh an cross compiling is a breeze 12:23 -!- aat [~aat@cpe-72-225-174-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:23 < ncopa> apk-tools has its own libtar implementation 12:24 < str1ngs> I'm just talking theory here. not try to say suggest you replace apk-tools with go 12:24 < ncopa> understand 12:25 < str1ngs> lua is nice and all. but the biggest problem Is its limited runtime. which is fine but then you are very dependant on 3rd party libs alot of the C libc 12:25 < str1ngs> libs8 12:25 < ncopa> i'm ok with using shared libs 12:25 < ncopa> openssl will be needed anyways most likely 12:26 < str1ngs> yes but then you get chicken egg senerios 12:26 < fabled> str1ngs, Go roll out is still in infancy. and package manager is quite critical... especially in Alpine since, the initramfs contains apk-tools and uses it to do complete install of system to tmpfs. 12:26 < fabled> but yes, it's an interesting option later on. 12:26 < fabled> to use Go instead 12:26 < str1ngs> fabled: go is very stable, and I'm talking theory not suggesting you actually change what you have in place 12:26 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@187.105.21.97] has quit [Quit: franciscosouza] 12:26 < ncopa> i think using Go for a package manager might be a good idea 12:27 < ncopa> and as i said, i would prefer it over python or perl 12:27 < fabled> str1ngs, yes, i understand. and yes, Go is an interesting option in future... 12:27 -!- PortatoreSanoDiI [~Marvin@82.84.75.149] has joined #go-nuts 12:28 < jlaffaye> str1ngs: Im writing a package manager for FreeBSD. I'd love to write it in Go but I need to have a lib and Go cant provide that, unfortunatly. 12:28 < str1ngs> fabled: I havent just come up with idea, there is back story here. 12:28 < jlaffaye> for instance, a PackageKit client should only be a wrapper of lib 12:28 < jlaffaye> but we cant call Go code from C :( 12:28 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: shared libs are done with packages I do it all the time. 12:28 < str1ngs> you can call go code from C with libffi iirc 12:28 < erus`> who is on unix? 12:29 < erus`> *nix? 12:29 < str1ngs> but.. not a good idea imo 12:29 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has joined #go-nuts 12:29 < erus`> can your unix terminal display extended ascii characters? like 177 errr 0xB0 i think 12:29 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: you just have to think outside the shlib box 12:29 < Electro^> str1ngs: worked around it by using append, pasting code to pastebin 12:30 -!- Gertm [~Gertm@dD576D33F.access.telenet.be] has joined #go-nuts 12:30 < Electro^> http://pastebin.com/CARCVWgd 12:30 < Electro^> ugly as hell though 12:30 < str1ngs> Electro^: I was wonder if you were haveing out of bounds maybe? 12:30 < Electro^> but it works and wont mess up any existing code 12:30 < str1ngs> what you might want to do is a ok check 12:30 < Electro^> and now... im off for some coffee 12:30 < Electro^> and a banana 12:30 < Electro^> and chocolate 12:31 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-150-230.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:31 -!- serialhex [~quassel@99-101-148-183.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:31 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: what is your package manager written in now? 12:33 < jlaffaye> C :) 12:33 < str1ngs> ya not my idea of fun :P 12:34 < jlaffaye> lots of boiler code, struct hidding, ... definitely not fun 12:34 < xyproto> I have an *sdl.Surface and I wish to define a new method, say func (s *sdl.Surface) DrawJaggedLine(). How can this be done? By wrapping sdl.Surface with a struct? By defining a new type? 12:34 < str1ngs> but then right now mine is writtin in bash so I should not say much hehe 12:34 < jlaffaye> when you write wrapper to hide the use of queue(3) you feel bored 12:34 < str1ngs> xyproto: make a new struct and embed the type 12:35 < xyproto> str1ngs: ok, thank you 12:35 < jlaffaye> especially whem slices would do the job :) 12:35 < str1ngs> xyproto: but.. there might be limitations if something expects that type. check the embed section in effective go 12:36 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: I'm telling you a go package manager would be awesome. 12:36 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: the only thing that I'm blocked on is it might need to run on hurd. so I need to check hurd/go progress :( 12:37 < str1ngs> gohurd! 12:38 < str1ngs> xyproto: sorry you would use an interface not a type 12:38 < str1ngs> xyproto: see http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#embedding 12:39 < str1ngs> err not a struct 12:39 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-12-108.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 12:39 < jlaffaye> you cant register a go function in Lua, can you? 12:39 < str1ngs> doubt it 12:39 < jlaffaye> or that will mean the we can call go from C :) 12:42 < str1ngs> http://golang.org/doc/gccgo_install.html#C_Interoperability 12:43 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.177.124] has joined #go-nuts 12:43 < str1ngs> extern int go_function(int) __asm__ ("myprefix.mypackage.Function"); 12:44 < str1ngs> trying to figure out that paragraph let me know if it makes sense to you :P 12:44 < str1ngs> The name of Go functions accessed from C is subject to change. At present the name of a Go function that does not have a receiver is prefix.package.Functionname. The prefix is set by the -fgo-prefix option used when the package is compiled; if the option is not used, the default is simply go. To call the function from C you must set the name using a gcc extension similar to the gccgo extension. 12:45 -!- flaguy48 [~gmallard@user-0c6s350.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:45 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: so.. if I read this right you can call go from C 12:45 -!- gobeginner [~nwood@cpc2-lee23-0-0-cust152.7-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:46 < jlaffaye> sounds hack'ish :) 12:46 < str1ngs> its C what do you expect :P 12:47 < ww> i guess you can do it like this: 12:47 < ww> embed a lua in go... 12:47 < str1ngs> imo why would you want to call go from C. when you can just write it in go 12:47 < ww> write a little C wrapper helper thing... 12:47 < ww> use your helper to register a go function... 12:48 < jlaffaye> str1ngs: for people who want to use my package from C code? 12:48 < jlaffaye> for instance PackageKit? 12:48 < str1ngs> packagekit really? 12:48 < str1ngs> how many people use that other then rpm and apt 12:48 < str1ngs> have you seen the libaplm variant of that/ 12:48 < str1ngs> ? 12:49 < jlaffaye> nop 12:49 < jlaffaye> I dont want to write a GUI, packagekit looks like a good cheap solution :p 12:50 -!- zaero [~eclark@servo.m.signedint.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:50 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@201.7.186.67] has joined #go-nuts 12:50 < str1ngs> actually I would go so far as to say. if C and shlibs was not such a pain in the ass. we'd hardly need package managers :P 12:50 < str1ngs> so no fixing it with C imo it not the answer 12:50 < str1ngs> personally we need more people that write native packages in go 12:50 < jnwhiteh> can you do a type assertion (to ensure it implements a given interface) without requiring an allocation? 12:51 < str1ngs> jnwhiteh: I think you can with switch i.(type) 12:51 < ww> str1ngs: i agree, but that's a tradeoff... which is counterproductive because cgo works so well 12:52 < jnwhiteh> str1ngs: I'm talking about var _ SomeInterface = SomeType{} 12:52 < ww> ... i mean spend a couple of hours making a wrapper for a c library 12:52 < jnwhiteh> but without the allocation 12:52 < ww> ... or a couple of weeks figuring out what the c library does and reimplementing it... 12:52 < jnwhiteh> if its a pointer type, you can do this with SomeType(nil) 12:52 < str1ngs> ww: I agree calling C is more practical then calling go from C 12:52 < str1ngs> ww: and I'm not even a C programmer and writing C wrappers is way easier then any other language I've used. IMO 12:53 -!- zaero [~eclark@servo.m.signedint.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:53 < jlaffaye> so all in all, if you expect that your code will be used by many users, its better to go with C, sadly 12:54 < jlaffaye> you can make bindings to every language to a C lib, which is nice (python, ruby,whatever) 12:54 < jlaffaye> and Go of course :p 12:55 < str1ngs> yes but what you are forgetting is these "other" languages can not do what C does. however go "can" do these things sometimes better 12:55 < jlaffaye> some people would make a daemon and the RPC would be the API but that is just _wrong_ :) 12:55 < str1ngs> sort of extreme cases of hardware, or overrated performance 12:55 < str1ngs> go is on par with C. python and ruby are not on par 12:55 < jlaffaye> maybe I am optimistic but I hope I will not be the only consumer of my lib :) 12:56 < str1ngs> large portions are ruby and python's stdlib are written in C. with go the whole stdlib is go 12:56 < str1ngs> short of some of the bits of the runtime 12:57 < str1ngs> meh I sound like a go fan boi 12:59 -!- TimKack [~tkack@213.208.236.186] has joined #go-nuts 13:00 < moraes> almost weekend! i'll play with go again! 13:01 -!- gobeginner [~nwood@cpc2-lee23-0-0-cust152.7-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:01 < jlaffaye> I _am_ a Go fan boy but Go was not the right tool for my needs. Again, sadly. 13:01 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: however I do see apoint the one flaw is that go is not accessible via other languages 13:01 < jlaffaye> exactly :_ 13:01 < str1ngs> which means your only option is go 13:01 < str1ngs> hmmm 13:02 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: write your package manager in go make a web interface :P 13:02 < moraes> there's one python implementation written entirely in python. 13:03 < str1ngs> moraes: sorry I should have mentioned some implimentions vary 13:03 < str1ngs> but they suffer for it 13:03 < xyproto> What do you think of interface{} like in your head when you write code? "anything"? "a duck"? 13:04 < str1ngs> I also think.. "avoid" 13:04 < moraes> they suffer from lack of static typing! 13:04 < str1ngs> rare I use it 13:04 < moraes> xyproto, i think "contract" 13:05 * moraes <3 interfaces 13:05 -!- robteix [~robteix@ec2-174-129-247-164.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #go-nuts 13:05 < moraes> i wish python had interfaces 13:05 < jlaffaye> str1ngs: that will never be accepted by old FreeBSD guys :p 13:05 < xyproto> moraes: nice one, I think of it a bit like "requirements" I think 13:06 < uriel> I wish python had no inhertiance, and absolutely no metaclasses 13:06 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: tell them 1972 called they want there C back 13:06 < xyproto> moraes: I like interfaces in Go as well. I think it would be nice if empty interfaces could be written in a more friendly way, though, but one only has to define a type, which is marvellous :) 13:06 < moraes> uriel, you need to see my go oo code! 13:06 < str1ngs> jlaffaye: or come use hurd, or my crazy linux distro :P 13:07 < moraes> since i use go with a object oriented mind, i use goo! 13:07 < uriel> moraes: hahaha 13:07 < xyproto> uriel: I agree. The depth of the syntax in Python is structurization-overkill 13:08 -!- ericvh [~Adium@cpe-72-177-122-77.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 13:09 < xyproto> I really like Python, though. I think it should go hand in hand with Go, as it's so nice for writing sloppy prototype-like and one-off code... 13:09 < moraes> interfaces could have attributes. i wonder why they don't. 13:09 < moraes> i mean, not only methods. 13:09 < xyproto> moraes: what kind of attributes? 13:10 < moraes> go interfaces can only have functions 13:10 < xyproto> moraes: other types of requirements than "this and this and this method is needed?" 13:10 < moraes> like vars 13:10 < moraes> easy to workaround. makes convoluted code. 13:10 < xyproto> moraes: ah, that would be something. However, you can emulate it with functions? :P 13:10 < moraes> you can. it becomes convoluted when simple attributes would do. 13:11 < moraes> go followed java in terms of setters/getters! take that, fanboys. 13:11 < moraes> :P 13:11 < knowmercy> sweet, templates are no longer exp/templates in the weekly! 13:11 < str1ngs> not intentionally :P 13:11 < xyproto> moraes: but, having a get and a set function in place of a variable tightens up the code somewhat, as you sometimes only wish to expose the "get", and it makes it easier to add guards for the values 13:11 < knowmercy> now if those blasted openbsd syscalls would get finished! 13:12 < moraes> xyproto, i see the value of that. 13:12 < xyproto> knowmercy: what are they for? For programming for OpenBSD with Go? 13:12 -!- BrentRitterbeck [~brent@d199-74-53-98.nap.wideopenwest.com] has joined #go-nuts 13:13 < str1ngs> xyproto: more like porting go to openbsd 13:13 < xyproto> moraes: so, again, Go is a relatively strict mistress, but the end result can be pleasurable... 13:13 < str1ngs> twss 13:13 < xyproto> str1ngs: ;) 13:14 * jnwhiteh hugs gofmt -w -r 13:14 < aiju> 15:12 < knowmercy> now if those blasted openbsd syscalls would get finished! 13:14 < aiju> i don't think you can ever finish them 13:14 < moraes> knowmercy, and exp/regexp too? 13:14 < aiju> aren't there more openbsd syscalls than people on this planet by now? 13:14 < xyproto> str1ngs: having Go on OpenBSD would be nice, I guess. I would personally rather see it ported to Haiku OS, though, to have a real reason to use it ;) 13:14 -!- Solak [~stijnw@cthia.xs4all.nl] has joined #go-nuts 13:14 < uriel> 13:09 < moraes> interfaces could have attributes. i wonder why they don't. 13:15 < str1ngs> xyproto: I'm more worried about hurd 13:15 < uriel> moraes: this has been discussed 13:15 < knowmercy> xyproto: so I can compile and run go on openbsd :) 13:15 < aiju> 15:15 < str1ngs> xyproto: I'm more worried about hurd 13:15 < aiju> hahahahahahaha 13:15 < uriel> moraes: search mailing list archives, (although it might be hard to find, sorry I don't have any hints on how to find this discussion) 13:15 < moraes> uriel, i've rea one 13:15 < moraes> *read 13:15 < knowmercy> aiju: I dont know, don't we just copy the freebsd ones? :P 13:16 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@20158117127.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16 < str1ngs> aiju: perfection takes time ok? 13:16 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@20158117127.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 13:17 < aiju> how many million lines of code is HURD already? 13:17 -!- gobeginner [~nwood@84.92.0.53] has joined #go-nuts 13:17 < str1ngs> actually its not as much as you would think 13:17 < str1ngs> mach is rather small 13:17 < uriel> they keep writting the same lines over and over 13:17 < uriel> str1ngs: MACH might be many things, small is not one of them 13:17 < aiju> the size of the OS is not the size of the kernel 13:18 < uriel> aiju: that implies the HURD could be considered an OS 13:18 < uriel> that is very dubious 13:18 < aiju> uriel: to some extent i would consider DOS an OS, so the requirements are pretty low 13:18 < str1ngs> aiju: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/hurd 13:19 < aiju> ah ait 13:19 < aiju> *wait 13:19 < aiju> doesn't Hurd use GLIBC? 13:19 < str1ngs> yes 13:19 < aiju> SMALL and GLIBC 13:19 < str1ngs> and coreutils etc etc 13:19 < aiju> sorry 13:19 < uriel> moraes: is your workaround for no members in interfaces to use getters and setters? because I think a workaround could be embedding of a struct that has the attriutes you want 13:19 < aiju> hahahahaha 13:19 < aiju> coreutils is already as big as the Plan 9 kernel 13:20 < str1ngs> oh here we go plan9 vs world :P 13:21 < moraes> uriel, that works. that is not an interface though. anyway, getters/setters is good to initialize values and overload behavior. 13:22 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@20158117127.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 < moraes> probably the best reason is that if you need an interface, you probably also want getters/setters. 13:22 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@114-45-80-100.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:23 * uriel isn't so sure, but I guess this is all too subjective and dependeant on the situation 13:23 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@116.21.46.104] has joined #go-nuts 13:23 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@20158117127.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 13:23 < aiju> i feel like people are abusing interface waaaaay too much 13:24 < aiju> *interfaces 13:24 < uriel> aiju: maybe, but interfaces are harder to abuse than most features in other languages 13:24 < aiju> interfaces don't replace function pointers, the supplement them 13:24 < aiju> *they 13:26 < uriel> I'm not so sure, callbacks are greatly overused 13:26 < uriel> certainly more than interfaces 13:27 * moraes is not overusing interfaces 13:27 < str1ngs> I'm logging off aiju made me all depressed about hurd :( 13:27 < aiju> i said ab-used, not over-used 13:28 < uriel> I'm not sure abusing interfaces is that easy, or that harmful 13:28 < uriel> callbacks on the other hand, yuck 13:29 < moraes> things like sorting an array or finding an index. each one implements their own? 13:29 < uriel> just because Go has closures, and closures are awesome, doesn't mean you have to program like this is Javascript and callbacks are the only way to do anything 13:29 < aiju> uriel: what the fuck are you talking about, i'm not talking about async i/o 13:29 < uriel> moraes: finding an index seems easy enough 13:30 < uriel> aiju: heh 13:30 < jnwhiteh> no, you're just having a parallel/concurrent bitchfest :P 13:30 < jnwhiteh> how appropriate! 13:30 < str1ngs> jnwhiteh: just need generics to top it off :P 13:30 < jnwhiteh> spawn a new thread of discussion :P 13:31 < moraes> uriel, yeah i know. some cases using a binary search etc would be better. just wondering if someone wrote some helper library. 13:31 -!- pjacobs [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:31 -!- Slant [~scott@124-170-47-239.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 13:31 < uriel> moraes: http://golang.org/pkg/sort/ 13:32 < Slant> How can I convince net.ListenPacket to pick an arbitrary UDP socket to listen on? 13:32 < moraes> uriel, ah that exists :P 13:32 < foocraft> Persuation skills. 13:32 < str1ngs> Slant: define arbitrary 13:32 < jnwhiteh> aye 13:33 < Slant> str1ngs: "Please listen on a UDP port, I don't care which one." 13:33 < str1ngs> Slant: rand? 13:33 < Slant> str1ngs: "Please listen on an *open* UDP port, I don't care which one." ;-) 13:33 < str1ngs> Slant: have a client check first? still probably not good design 13:34 < Slant> In short: pick a port, Slant. And add a "-p" option to your program. 13:34 -!- bjarneh [~bjarneh@1x-193-157-207-107.uio.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:34 < str1ngs> yep 13:34 < foocraft> Who is asking for help here? 13:35 < gobeginner> "(02:32:39 PM) Slant: How can I convince net.ListenPacket to pick an arbitrary UDP socket to listen on?" 13:35 < foocraft> Slant: Did you satisfy yourself, by your answer? 13:36 < Slant> foocraft: Are you being snarky, or genuinely asking? 13:36 < foocraft> Genuinely asking, of course. 13:36 < str1ngs> Slant: he can obviously follow a simple thread. 13:36 < str1ngs> not* 13:37 < Slant> foocraft: No? 13:38 < foocraft> Good? Come again next time? :) 13:38 -!- squeese [~squeese@cm-84.209.17.156.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38 < str1ngs> where these idiots come from 13:38 < str1ngs> foocraft: seriously get lost 13:39 < str1ngs> Slant: just ignore him 13:39 < Slant> str1ngs: Already done. 13:39 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:39 < str1ngs> Slant: he didnt get that when I said still probably not good design. that prompted you to realize you should use a set port 13:40 -!- qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-39-193.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:40 < leterip> it looked like a friendly joke to me. 13:41 < Slant> str1ngs: I've been using a set port. However, I'm instrumenting some tests to ensure the clients are connecting to different ports… so that means having listeners on different ports. Kinda hoped there would be an easier way than just iterating up from a random high int16. :-) 13:41 < Slant> str1ngs: I was being lazy. 13:42 < str1ngs> Slant: ya no big deal. not sure why these foocraft guy came for left field for 13:42 < str1ngs> from* 13:42 < Slant> str1ngs: IRC, man. Sometimes it brings out the best. 13:43 < str1ngs> Slant: yep 13:44 < ncopa> \o/ 13:44 < foocraft> Hahaha okay. I've learned that you guys *actually* got offended somehow. Sorry, Slant. 13:44 < ncopa> gccgo works 13:44 < ncopa> got it working on alpine linux 13:44 < foocraft> ncopa: Are the binaries any faster than 8c? 13:45 < str1ngs> foocraft: the problem is if you are joking just say you are joking. because sarcasm does not translate well over irc 13:45 < aiju> everyone 13:45 < aiju> no sarcasm 13:45 < str1ngs> ncopa: nice 13:45 < foocraft> Alright, noted, str1ngs. 13:45 < Slant> str1ngs: Is he still going? 13:45 < foocraft> hahahaha aiju. 13:45 < ncopa> foocraft: i have no idea. This is first go at all for alpine linux 13:45 < ncopa> and it atleast compiles and runs hello.go 13:45 < aiju> wait 13:45 < aiju> wasn't str1ngs the same guy said that "people hind behind their anonymity on the internet"? 13:46 < str1ngs> is this where you some how relate it to plan9? 13:47 < aiju> yeah, i'm always trolling by using actual software as an example 13:47 < foocraft> I need bullshit, aiju. 13:47 < aiju> everyone knows that doesn't count 13:47 < foocraft> I need it. 13:47 < aiju> foocraft: then run hurd 13:47 < foocraft> bullshit is a very nice program. 13:47 < aiju> ah you mean that one 13:48 < foocraft> :) 13:48 < str1ngs> aiju: but by all means defend random idiots who troll people that ask legitimate questions 13:48 < aiju> i'm not defending him 13:48 < aiju> stop assuming utter crap 13:49 < str1ngs> looks that way to me 13:49 < gobeginner> Quick poll: How many of the folks actually developing in go are using it to talk to a database and do more than key pair lookups on it? 13:49 < Slant> Hey str1ngs and aiju, you're letting some random troll get you at each other. /ignore and move on. 13:49 < aiju> Slant: no need for some random troll 13:50 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50 < jnwhiteh> gobeginner: I am not using it to talk to a database at all, so put my answer down as such, I guess =) 13:50 < leterip> aiju is right no sarcasm ever imo. 13:50 < foocraft> Listen, str1ngs, I'm sorry. Tell Slant that, too. You obviously need to understand lots of things about life. I'm not trolling. Consider it friendly advice. 13:50 < Slant> aiju: OK, not a random troll? I just did join the channel. But, I asked if he was being genuine and then he explicitly wasn't. 13:50 < knowmercy> gobeginner: I'm using it to talk to a database that has actual data in it 13:50 < Slant> (she? I donno. I'm being presumptuous.) 13:51 < aiju> Slant: hell, this shit doesn't matter at all 13:51 < foocraft> I was being explicit, Slant. 13:51 < aiju> Slant: have you tried passing an empty port to ListenPacket? 13:51 < Slant> aiju: I have. And nil. 13:51 < Slant> And 0. 13:51 < aiju> errors out? 13:51 < Slant> Yup. 13:51 < str1ngs> Slant: this happens all the time, someone asks a quest then some jerk jumps all over him. 13:52 < Slant> Hmm. Actually. 13:52 < aiju> and then people hind behind their anonymity 13:52 < Slant> Huh. Maybe I misran my test cases. 13:52 < aiju> and use sarcasm 13:52 < Slant> Because it seems ":0" works just fine. 13:52 < Slant> Neat. 13:52 < Slant> Well. That was fun. 13:52 < Slant> aiju: Thanks for prompting me to double-check my tests. :-D 13:52 < Slant> Now I am satisfied. Haha! 13:53 < str1ngs> lol 13:54 < str1ngs> foocraft: oh yes, I dont recall asking for your advice so please dont give it 13:54 < foocraft> Okay. You WIN chat. 13:55 < mpl> foocraft: you could always win by invoking hitler though. 13:55 < leterip> actually mpl i think that means you win 13:55 < mpl> yay 13:55 < foocraft> If only Hitler wanted to burn all the strings. 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I've got a question relating to mgo & anno types. 14:44 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Yo 14:44 < hokapoka> hey 14:45 < niemeyer> hokapoka: How're things going there 14:45 < hokapoka> Sweet, mgo is working a treat. 14:45 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Nice to hear! 14:46 < hokapoka> I'm thinking about using schema.org's types and I was concidering using Go's anonymouse types to handle, say, Place (http://schema.org/Place) that's decendant from Thing. 14:47 < hokapoka> So I'd have type Thing struct { Description string; .... } and type Place struct { Thing; Address PostalAddress; ... } 14:49 < hokapoka> This is all find in go, but if I were to write a Place to mongo, as you'd expect, it would create a doc that's place : { "thing": { "description":"...", ... }, "address":{ ... }, "faxnumber":"+44...", ... } } etc. 14:50 < hokapoka> not a great example, the point I'm getting at is Place will be stored so that Place.Description will actually need to be referenced as "place.thing.description" 14:52 < hokapoka> Actually, db.places.findOne({"thing.description":"foobar"}); 14:52 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Indeed 14:53 < hokapoka> Whereas if I wanted to sue db.posts.findOne({"description":"foobar"}) that way I don't have to remember what prop is comming form which anonymouse type. 14:53 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-18baf7e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:53 -!- pharris [~Adium@rhgw.opentext.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:54 < hokapoka> I guess my best option, if I wanted to store the data in mongo is this way, would be to explicitly define each type and without anonymouse types. 14:54 < hokapoka> Or have you got another suggestion? 14:55 < hokapoka> s/define/define the properties/ 14:56 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Hmm 14:56 < niemeyer> hokapoka: It sounds like a half-good idea 14:56 -!- ancientlore [~ancientlo@12.54.6.218] has joined #go-nuts 14:56 < niemeyer> hokapoka: The half that isn't so great is unmarshalling 14:57 < niemeyer> hokapoka: If you have a type with several sub-types, each with a Description field, how do we sort out where "description" goes? 14:57 < jnwhiteh> hokapoka: are you interesting in a more informal meet-up at some point of the Oxford go-phers? Are there just the three ofu s? 14:57 < hokapoka> No, I mean don't have a type thing at all. just inc. all the props from thing into Place. and skip any kinda anonymouse types all together. 14:57 -!- ancientlore [~ancientlo@12.54.6.218] has left #go-nuts [] 14:58 < hokapoka> jnwhiteh: Aye only 3 of us ATM. I was planning on email you and the others later. I'm not abbout this w/e and you're off to Stockholm next week, for how long? 14:58 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Sorry, I think I'm missing it.. 14:59 < niemeyer> hokapoka: "So I'd have type Thing struct" 14:59 < jnwhiteh> For a week, starting a week from Saturday 14:59 < niemeyer> hokapoka: That's what you said above.. 14:59 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Let me try to explain the problem again 15:00 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Or rather.. I guess I'd like to understand better what you're trying to do 15:00 < niemeyer> hokapoka: I may be missing it still 15:01 -!- fabled [~fabled@83.145.235.194] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:01 < niemeyer> hokapoka: You don't want to have a Thing type? 15:01 < hokapoka> niemeyer: right, I see 2 options. 1 - with type Thing struct { Description string; .. } and type Place struct { Thing; FaxNumber string;... } and 2 - type Place struct { Description string; FaxNumber string; ... } 15:01 < hokapoka> Where 2 I don't create the sub-type Thing at all. 15:02 < hokapoka> I wondered if you had anyother suggestions, where I could have subtypes, but not record the sub-type structure in mongo. 15:02 < niemeyer> hokapoka: I see 15:02 -!- jbooth1 [~jay@209.249.216.2] has joined #go-nuts 15:03 < hokapoka> If not no big deal, I'll have to go with flat Types, to make the monog life easier. 15:03 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Well.. that sounds like the opposite 15:03 < niemeyer> hokapoka: On one and you have flat in Go, and nested in Mongo.. 15:03 < niemeyer> hokapoka: On the latter suggestion you'd have nested in Go and flat in Mongo 15:04 < niemeyer> hokapoka: What is the actual case you're trying to have? 15:04 < jnwhiteh> hokapoka: I'm here until Saturday 27th, and back on the 4th. 15:04 < hokapoka> niemeyer: sorry. I'd like it nested in Go and flat in Mongo 15:05 < hokapoka> jnwhiteh: okay, I'll fire off an email & create a google calender for it see when we're all free. Wher do you fancy meeting? Personally I like the Living Room, near the castle. 15:05 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Ok.. that's what I thought at first. This is a bit complicated.. multiple nested types can have the same field names 15:06 < niemeyer> hokapoka: When unmarshalling, there's no obvious way to tell where a given field should go 15:06 < jnwhiteh> hokapoka: I'm in Jericho, just past St. Antony's on Woodstock, but that sounds fine to me. I don't think I've been there before. 15:06 < hokapoka> niemeyer: yeah that's what I thought, wasn't sure it was really feasible, hence why I wanted your direction on it. 15:06 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-088-069-138-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:07 -!- ncopa [~ncopa@3.203.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07 < hokapoka> jnwhiteh: oh, I like jericho, we're trying to find a place up the northend either there or Summertown. 15:07 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has joined #go-nuts 15:08 < hokapoka> niemeyer: in these cases, the sub-types will only contain properties that are not in the hight level types. 15:09 -!- jmil [~jmil@2001:468:1802:e148:223:32ff:feb1:9dfc] has joined #go-nuts 15:10 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Let me put some thought on it.. maybe I can implement in a reliable way 15:10 < hokapoka> niemeyer: Place is relativly easy to handle if it's nested in mongo, "thing.description" is simple. But when you start to take say http://schema.org/Dentist it's decendancy is multi level. For example to reference description here it would be : 15:11 < hokapoka> db.densist.findOne({"localbusiness.organization.place.thing.description"}) 15:11 < niemeyer> hokapoka: I see.. and in that case you sort of have a guarantee they won't be duplicated from the spec 15:11 < hokapoka> correct 15:12 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Cool 15:12 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Can't look at that right now, but will get back to you on this 15:12 < niemeyer> hokapoka: What's your email again? 15:13 < hokapoka> Of course for dentist you could have type Dentist struct { Thing; Place; Organization; LocalBusiness; CurrenciesAccepted string; ... } 15:13 < hokapoka> sweet, hokapoka.com@gmail.com 15:13 -!- samuell [~samuel@pc2-samuel.uppmax.uu.se] has joined #go-nuts 15:15 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Thanks.. if there's nothing I'm missing, the next version should have that 15:15 < hokapoka> I think for now I'll go with defining all of the properties on each type. 15:15 < hokapoka> niemeyer: oh wow, thats superb many thanks. 15:16 < hokapoka> niemeyer: there is one thing that might be an issue. 15:16 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Oh? 15:16 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-188-107-193-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:16 < hokapoka> Take another look at Dentist. 15:17 < hokapoka> It has a property "branchOf" that's type is Organisation. I guess it's not anonymouse. 15:18 -!- Guest38166 [~mau@110.159.94.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18 < hokapoka> niemeyer: or at least won't be anonymouse. So it would be a propperly nested value, whereas the actauly anonymouse type for "Organisation" would need tobe stored flat in mongo. 15:19 -!- TimKack [~tkack@213.208.236.186] has quit [Quit: TimKack] 15:20 < niemeyer> hokapoka: Yeah, sounds fine.. 15:21 < niemeyer> hokapoka: You'll be inlining LocalBusiness.. not everything LocalBusiness contains 15:22 -!- djbrown [~djbrown@h236n2-g-va-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #go-nuts 15:22 -!- djbrown [~djbrown@h236n2-g-va-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:22 -!- djbrown [~djbrown@unaffiliated/djbrown] has joined #go-nuts 15:23 < hokapoka> niemeyer: Yep. fantastic, thanks so much for your work on mgo, must apprecated :). 15:24 < hokapoka> s/must/much 15:25 -!- qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-39-193.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26 < niemeyer> hokapoka: My pleasure 15:27 < mpl> I haven't had the chance to try mongodb yet. what's the advantage or specific use case where it fits well over other common dbs like mysql, postgres, etc? 15:28 < hokapoka> mpl: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Use+Cases 15:30 < mpl> thx 15:31 < jnwhiteh> is there a way to make godoc show unexported fields/methods? 15:32 < niemeyer> mpl: That may be better asked on #mongodb 15:32 < niemeyer> mpl: Otherwise we may take over the channel ;) 15:33 < niemeyer> hokapoka: That's a nice page I hadn't seen 15:33 -!- erus` [~chatzilla@mailgate.ips-international.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33 < niemeyer> jnwhiteh: Some people talked about that, but I don't think anyone is working on it atm 15:34 < jnwhiteh> ah okay 15:34 < mpl> niemeyer: yeah. I'll switch to over there if/when I have more specific questions. unfortunately I don't have any work project where I could use it atm, nor the time to play with yet another thing. 15:34 < jnwhiteh> it would be super useful for local development =) 15:34 -!- miker2 [~miker2@64.55.31.190] has joined #go-nuts 15:35 -!- dfr|mac [~dfr|work@ool-18baf7e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:36 < hokapoka> mpl: so far I've found there's little I can't achive succesfully, and easily, with it. 15:38 < niemeyer> jnwhiteh: True 15:38 < niemeyer> hokapoka: +1 15:39 < jnwhiteh> I don't see any low-hanging fruit in the source, but I can look more later 15:40 -!- ccc1 [~Adium@114-45-80-100.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:41 -!- qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-60-193.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:41 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.177.124] has quit [Ping 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gridaphobe [~gridaphob@cpe-74-68-151-24.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:43 -!- alexMocanu [~alexandru@87-194-16-137.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 19:48 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-178-94.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 19:51 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.66.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57 -!- pyrhho [~pyrhho@027e80ed.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 -!- alehorst [~alehorst@189.58.28.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:00 -!- lmnop [~amie@50-44-67-1.bltn.il.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:00 -!- lmnop [~amie@50-44-67-1.bltn.il.frontiernet.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:01 -!- nekoh [~nekoh@dslb-188-107-172-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:02 < pyrhho> what's a good example for the exp/template package? 20:05 < derpp> there are tons of them, but I can't actually comment on quality 20:06 < derpp> the codewalk stuff uses it 20:06 < pyrhho> does it? ok cool will start there 20:06 < pyrhho> thanks 20:06 < derpp> oh sorry, exp/template I'm not sure 20:07 < derpp> but the /new/ codewalk is using it, but it's not available afaik 20:08 < pyrhho> oh 20:09 -!- tvw [~tv@e176001102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:09 -!- tvw [~tv@e176001102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09 -!- tvw [~tv@e176001102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:10 -!- tncardoso [~thiago@187.114.32.244] has joined #go-nuts 20:10 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12 -!- photron [~photron@port-92-201-25-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:12 -!- alexMocanu [~alexandru@87-194-16-137.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:12 < derpp> http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/msg/003bb3f84c7d6e21 godoc? 20:12 < derpp> The next weekly references has been released 20:14 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 20:16 < pyrhho> derpp: awesome. that's exactly what I was looking for. thanks :) 20:22 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24 -!- nicka [~nicka@blk-222-42-163.eastlink.ca] has joined #go-nuts 20:24 -!- nicka [~nicka@blk-222-42-163.eastlink.ca] has quit [Changing host] 20:24 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has joined #go-nuts 20:25 -!- nicka1 [~nicka@142.176.0.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:33 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:36 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45 -!- _nil [~ct@c-67-189-251-116.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45 -!- huin [~huin@91.85.139.164] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:52 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has joined #go-nuts 20:56 -!- TheMue [~FMueller@p5DDF782A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:00 -!- miker2 [~miker2@64.55.31.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:00 < moraes> do you believe there was no project named "gorilla" on google code? 21:01 < moraes> "i do." 21:01 < moraes> ok. just checking. 21:06 -!- pharris [~Adium@rhgw.opentext.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:10 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 21:10 -!- smw [~stephen@unaffiliated/smw] has joined #go-nuts 21:11 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-173-232.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:14 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20 -!- TimKack [~tkack@e196069.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: TimKack] 21:26 -!- dreadlorde [dreadlorde@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:27 -!- pyrhho [~pyrhho@027e80ed.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:30 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31 -!- avelino [~avelino@unaffiliated/avelino] has joined #go-nuts 21:34 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@pool-71-170-212-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48 -!- yogib [~yogib@dslb-178-009-023-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: yogib] 21:54 < anticw> niemeyer: i was looking to make a web-forum with template ... it occurs to me r' aside you're probably the best person to ask for pointers 21:55 < anticw> niemeyer: you don't know off hand a good source of examples tailored to producing html gunk? 21:56 < niemeyer> anticw: Hey 21:56 < niemeyer> anticw: html gunk? 21:57 < niemeyer> anticw: You mean an example of exp/template usage? 21:59 < prudhvi> Hi, while running an RPC Server as described here. http://golang.org/pkg/rpc/#HandleHTTP I cannot use the `go http.Serve` goroutine call. How can i make it so that it gets executed 22:00 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.a212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:00 < leterip> why cant you? 22:02 < f2f> because main quits? :) 22:02 < leterip> then skip the goroutine :) 22:03 -!- vmil86 [~vmil86@88.118.36.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07 -!- squeese [~squeese@cm-84.209.17.156.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08 < prudhvi> leterip: but, using goroutine is suggested 22:09 < leterip> they say "typically" 22:09 < prudhvi> i can't see any other use-case 22:09 < anticw> niemeyer: yeah, something to show how i would (for example) file a table (or siliar) from []someStruct 22:09 < leterip> meaning you'd do other stuff while its serving the http rpc 22:09 < leterip> you dont need to run it in a goroutine if you dont have any need to do that 22:09 < anticw> so one row per slice element, and then the syntax to extract a given member 22:10 -!- odoacre [~antonio@218.241.169.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11 < niemeyer> anticw: The docs for exp/template are probably the best source 22:11 < niemeyer> anticw: http://tip.goneat.org/pkg/exp/template 22:11 < niemeyer> anticw: Sorry 22:11 < niemeyer> anticw: It's been moved already: 22:11 < niemeyer> anticw: http://tip.goneat.org/pkg/template/ 22:12 < niemeyer> anticw: For a slice, you can do something like this: 22:12 < anticw> i had a quick scan of the docs, i think i was too impatient perhaps 22:12 < niemeyer> anticw: {{range .SliceField}} {{.SliceElementField}} {{end}} 22:13 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:13 < niemeyer> anticw: The dot (.) contains the current context at all times 22:13 < niemeyer> anticw: The initial current context is the thing you pass as the data argument in Execute() 22:13 < niemeyer> anticw: This is really the foundation for the whole thing 22:13 < niemeyer> anticw: The docs should help now, but if you have specific questions, fire and someone here can try to help you 22:14 < anticw> actually, that looks like enough to get me going 22:14 < anticw> thanks 22:14 < niemeyer> anticw: No problem 22:14 < niemeyer> anticw: {{.}} works too, btw, in case you're iterating over a slice of, say, strings 22:19 -!- idobi [~stan.stee@8.18.115.2] has joined #go-nuts 22:20 -!- shoenig [~shoenig@pool-71-170-212-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:20 -!- r_linux [~r_linux@static.200.198.180.250.datacenter1.com.br] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:23 -!- erus` [~chatzilla@cpc2-gill2-0-0-cust701.basl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23 -!- miker2 [~miker2@pool-96-245-224-59.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:32 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.177.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:33 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34 -!- Solak [~stijnw@cthia.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37 -!- idobi [~stan.stee@8.18.115.2] has left #go-nuts [] 22:40 -!- miker2 [~miker2@pool-96-245-224-59.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:49 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-178-94.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 22:52 -!- black_rez [~black_rez@house.calculating-god.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:56 -!- black_rez [~black_rez@house.calculating-god.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:57 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@S010600222dcddd0f.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:06 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has joined #go-nuts 23:08 < prudhvi> Using, rpc and http packages i get rpc on HTTP. But, how could i do the same with json-rpc on HTTP 23:09 < prudhvi> The api doesn't seem to have any way to make this possible. 23:15 -!- clr_ [~colin@c-67-183-138-2.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:15 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@S010600222dcddd0f.cg.shawcable.net] has left #go-nuts [] 23:16 < leterip> you want to use the json line encoding instead of gob? 23:21 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.177.124] has joined #go-nuts 23:21 < prudhvi> leterip: is gob better?. I never used it before. 23:22 < prudhvi> Also, i am looking for a simple rpc style service and thought json-rpc over http a good idea. 23:22 < leterip> i dont have any idea really, but i would try creating my own type that embeds an rpc.Server and overriding the ServeConn method to use the jsonrpc encoder instead of the gob one. 23:22 < leterip> it might not be that hard. 23:22 < prudhvi> ok, i`ll look into it now. 23:22 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:22 < knowmercy> evening 23:23 < leterip> func (server *MyServer) ServeConn(conn io.ReadWriteCloser) { server.ServeCodec(jsonrpc.NewServerCodec(conn)) } 23:23 < leterip> something like that 23:23 < leterip> of course you'll probably have to make your own client too 23:24 -!- franciscosouza [~francisco@201.7.186.67] has quit [Quit: franciscosouza] 23:24 < leterip> oh theres a NewClientWithCodec that makes that easy 23:24 < leterip> so that might work 23:25 -!- chadkouse [~Adium@rrcs-74-218-87-242.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:25 < prudhvi> yes 23:25 -!- chadkouse [~Adium@rrcs-74-218-87-242.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:25 < leterip> well, it looks like you'd have to reimplement DialHTTP or DialHTTPPath to make it call NewClientWithCodec 23:26 < leterip> and that would be it 23:26 < prudhvi> leterip: yes, thanks this makes sense 23:26 < leterip> im not sure you gain anything other than using json :) 23:26 < leterip> might be useful for debugging or something. i dunno 23:27 < prudhvi> leterip: using json, helps me to use the service thats already running. I can hook this to an another HTTP Server an not have to deal with IT anymore :) 23:27 -!- aat [~aat@rrcs-184-75-54-130.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:28 < leterip> cool 23:28 < leterip> its too bad theres no way to change the codec on a Client after it's been made. 23:28 < leterip> so you have to reimplement DialHTTP* 23:37 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:42 -!- tvw [~tv@e176001102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45 -!- qeed [~qeed@adsl-98-85-61-241.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:49 -!- nicka [~nicka@unaffiliated/nicka] has joined #go-nuts 23:55 -!- pjacobs [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:56 -!- ccc [~macroron@c-76-26-54-186.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:57 -!- chadkouse [~Adium@rrcs-74-218-87-242.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:58 -!- qeed [~qeed@adsl-74-235-213-94.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #go-nuts --- Log closed Fri Aug 19 00:00:20 2011