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unlikely, gccgo will use the standard ABI for whatever target is being compiled 04:52 < anticw> iant: well, it's not clear why 6g/8g (esp. 6g w/ more registers) has to use the stack for all parameters long term 04:52 <+iant> true 04:52 < anticw> it seems it's more about making the implementation easier for now in the compiler 04:53 < anticw> iant: what are the main difficulties in using the *g runtime with gccgo? 04:53 <+iant> the *g runtime is designed to standalone, whereas gccgo intends to link against the system libc 04:54 <+iant> the *g runtime uses assembler code written in a syntax which gccgo doesn't support 04:54 < anticw> iant: i dont see why you have to link against libc long term, my assumption is 'other runtimes' don't always 04:54 < anticw> cmucl and perhaps mono for example 04:55 <+iant> I want it to be easy to link gccgo-generated code with other code 04:55 <+iant> I want gccgo to be more easily portable 04:56 < anticw> what about a common gc? 04:56 <+iant> we should certainly have a common gc 04:57 <+iant> both compilers already use the same malloc code 04:57 < anticw> actually, speaking of which... *alloc right now mmap's in pages... is there a 'clean' way to implement a specific 'aligned allocator'? 04:57 -!- trevor [n=trevor@adsl-64-149-37-69.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 04:58 <+iant> we could easily add something to the malloc package, if I understand what you are asking 04:58 < anticw> or even an allocator that using a file as a backing store? i can fudge this with unsafe at some level, but it would be nice to have something that would work with gc 04:58 < anticw> well, there are two issues (1) sometimes you need aligned pages (2) sometimes i want file-backed arrays/data 04:58 <+iant> I'm not sure gc is going to play well with file-based data 04:59 <+iant> that seems like something to handle outside of the gc system 04:59 <+iant> at least to me 04:59 < anticw> it's not file based though, not really 04:59 < anticw> it's just something to munmap ones it's free 04:59 < anticw> once 04:59 < anticw> you can drop the fd onces you mmap 05:00 < anticw> aligned pages could come directly from the existing low-level code but can't have any metadata or anything ahead of them, and it would be desirable to have them done efficiently as possible (this is for direct IO, so you can have 10k+ of them in flight) 05:02 -!- droid0011 [n=g1@p4FDC9EE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:04 < anticw> iant: do you grok ken's sudoaddable optimization change? 05:04 <+iant> I didn't really look at it 05:05 -!- jA_cOp [n=yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:07 -!- droid001 [n=g1@p4FDC9EE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:08 -!- jA_cOp [n=yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has joined #go-nuts 05:08 -!- Omen_20 [n=Omen_20@173-16-98-118.client.mchsi.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:10 -!- droid0011 [n=g1@p4FDCAEF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:13 -!- robot12 [n=root@robot12.kgts.ru] has joined #go-nuts 05:13 -!- hooopy [i=hoopy@173-30-98-140.client.mchsi.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:14 < anticw> iant: i dont support there is a dalvik back-end for gcc? 05:14 <+iant> no, sorry 05:15 < anticw> i'm not even sure if that would be entirely workable as a plan, it's not clear to me how apps and the rest of the system interact 05:25 -!- droid001 [n=g1@p4FDC9EE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:37 < spikebike> seems possible 05:37 < spikebike> ok hrm, nevermind 05:37 -!- sinuhe [n=user@kaptah.deevans.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:37 < spikebike> can gcc produce java bytecodes? 05:38 < spikebike> or just native bins for the configured cpu 05:39 -!- goplexian [n=user@d154-20-0-9.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:40 < anticw> there was a java backend project some time ago, i think it's likely dead 05:40 <+iant> I think it's dead 05:40 < kfx> here's hoping 05:40 <+iant> gcc can compile Java byte code to native code 05:40 < skelterjohn> gcc can do anything 05:41 < skelterjohn> I think I'll ask it to cook me dinner tomorrow night 05:41 < anticw> iant: stating the obvious, i think the reason people are asking as was i was for android 05:41 <+iant> yeah 05:41 < anticw> if you want ui apps or anything in the 'store it has to be a dalvik binary 05:41 < spikebike> seems like kind of a strange thign to do 05:41 < anticw> for me i would probably be ok with a hacked phone and native code from 5g, but i have no idea what the UI interfaces are 05:41 < spikebike> anticw: actually I don't think that's true 05:42 < spikebike> you have have native binaries 05:42 < anticw> those might not be something you can do with a pipe from go/c/whatever, you might need a lot of java/core support 05:42 < anticw> spikebike: i dont see how, you can't sandbox native code that easily 05:43 < anticw> well, i guess there are things like nacl or the task mode where all comms goes over a socket and no other syscalls work 05:44 < spikebike> there is a native SDK 05:44 < spikebike> and I've seen folks include extra libraries and the like 05:45 < spikebike> not sure what they do, maybe they wget new binaries or something 05:45 < spikebike> qualcomm has a native 3d benchmark in the market 05:48 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:50 < spikebike> http://groups.google.com/group/android-ndk/browse_thread/thread/7bdfd25f3bd60889?pli=1 05:50 < spikebike> that's from the android faq 05:51 < spikebike> various hacks to android are possible with root, once you have root you can install all kinds of cool stuff from the market 05:51 < spikebike> even new operating systems 05:51 < spikebike> almost like a real linux box ;-) 05:52 < anticw> oh, that's good to know ... i wonder if that was always the case? the java/dalvik only assumption actually came out of something someone @google told me 05:53 < anticw> spikebike: so the next question then i would have is at what level are the interfaces to render things and talk to phone functions? 05:58 < spikebike> I think it's mostly just designed for CPU intensive, I think you can get a pointer to a full screen frame buffer and to the opengl side 05:58 < spikebike> but all the rest is supposed to go through dalvik 05:58 < spikebike> so the gui is 100% java 06:00 < spikebike> but I believe dalik is similar to jvm in that you can't do many things that are legal with C 06:01 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:03 -!- fgb [n=fgb@190.246.85.45] has joined #go-nuts 06:07 -!- Ortzman [n=ortzinat@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 06:25 -!- Ortzinator [n=ortzinat@unaffiliated/ortzinator] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:30 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@c-76-116-179-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:36 -!- scarabx [n=scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has 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15:08 < Daminvar> Erm, what do you mean? All of the links seem to work... 15:09 < wrtp> basically any type name or variable name should be clickable - and take you to either the definition of the variable or its type as appropriate 15:09 < wrtp> try browsing some source code 15:10 < wrtp> it has to do more work for some variables than others - depending on how long and involved the type inference chain is 15:11 < Daminvar> Hm, well I tried it out and it seems to be working. It only works on the Go files, but that's probably intentional. 15:11 < wrtp> yup 15:11 < wrtp> cool 15:11 < wrtp> it should work when browsing package documentation too 15:12 < wrtp> and clicking on a package identifier takes you back into the documentation 15:12 < wrtp> it needs as much testing as it can get! 15:13 -!- nsf [n=nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit ["WeeChat 0.3.0"] 15:13 < wrtp> one of the nice things is that it knows about unnamed struct members, so clicking on the "Func" in x.Func() will take you to the right definition even if it's buried 5 levels deep 15:14 -!- nighty__ [n=nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 15:14 < wrtp> thanks for trying it 15:14 < Daminvar> Cool. =) Glad I could be of service. 15:15 -!- Guest4 [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:16 -!- eharmon [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:16 -!- Daminvar [n=Daminvar@129.21.121.1] has left #go-nuts ["Leaving"] 15:19 -!- Spaghettini 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Is there a libuuid binding for go? 21:19 -!- wrtp [n=rog@89.241.242.246] has joined #go-nuts 21:19 < skelterjohn> check http://go-lang.cat-v.org 21:19 < napsy> ok 21:20 < skelterjohn> it does a good job at keeping track of all 3rd party libraries 21:20 < skelterjohn> as long as the author advertises them in some visible way 21:20 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:21 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:28 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@bzq-79-178-25-129.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:28 -!- Xera` [n=brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 21:29 -!- oal [n=olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:30 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]"] 21:31 -!- path[l] [i=UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 21:32 -!- sinuhe [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:32 -!- sinuhe [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:32 -!- sinuhe [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:32 -!- sinuhe` [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:32 -!- Xera^ [n=brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:34 -!- ThreeSix [n=Vova@IGLD-84-228-126-140.inter.net.il] has quit [Client Quit] 21:34 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-79-178-35-177.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:36 -!- sinuhe` [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:36 -!- sinuhe [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:39 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:45 -!- teedex [n=teedex@adsl-76-200-101-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:46 -!- carllerche [n=carllerc@99.22.229.11] has quit [] 21:53 -!- Xera` [n=brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53 -!- lotrpy [n=lotrpy@202.120.36.170] has quit [] 21:57 -!- trevor_ [n=trevor@adsl-70-142-61-40.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:58 -!- p4p4 [n=P4p4@248.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]"] 21:58 -!- carllerche [n=carllerc@99.13.242.166] has joined #go-nuts 22:01 -!- KillerX [n=anant@145-116-234-40.uilenstede.casema.nl] has joined #go-nuts 22:02 -!- mitsuhiko [n=mitsuhik@ubuntu/member/mitsuhiko] has left #go-nuts ["Verlassend"] 22:21 -!- drostin77 [n=drostin7@134.200.192.61.tokyo.bflets.alpha-net.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 22:21 -!- ThreeSix [n=Vova@IGLD-84-228-126-140.inter.net.il] has joined #go-nuts 22:29 -!- wrtp [n=rog@89.241.242.246] has quit [Client Quit] 22:46 -!- drostin77 [n=drostin7@134.200.192.61.tokyo.bflets.alpha-net.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:47 < napsy> How can I block the main thread while other threads are still running? 22:50 < skelterjohn> need more context 22:50 < skelterjohn> you want the main thread to wait for some others to complete? 22:51 < napsy> yes 22:51 < skelterjohn> what is the condition that should cause the main thread to stop blocking? 22:52 < napsy> a boolean value was set to false 22:53 < skelterjohn> ah - don't communicate by sharing 22:53 < skelterjohn> use a channel 22:53 < skelterjohn> if there is a known number of threads that main is waiting for, have them all write something to a channel 22:53 < skelterjohn> and have main try to read that many things from the channel 22:54 < skelterjohn> once it has read them all, it knows all those threads are done 22:54 < napsy> hm that's a good idea 22:54 < napsy> will try that, thanks 22:54 -!- hochron [n=ringo@68-113-148-14.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:58 < LuitvD> after that: read the Tutorial :P 22:58 < napsy> ok 22:58 < LuitvD> that idea is a 1:1 copy of a tutorial idea :) 22:58 < LuitvD> and it has more like that one 22:58 < skelterjohn> if i were writing a paper i would have cited the tutorial ;) 22:58 < skelterjohn> but i'm talking in irc so i get to pretend like i thought of it 22:59 < LuitvD> I know :) 22:59 < LuitvD> that's why I'm here 22:59 < happy> How do you convert strings to bytes? 22:59 < LuitvD> I'm gone now 22:59 -!- LuitvD [n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:02 -!- mssm [n=mssmfs@ip-95-221-108-81.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 23:03 -!- jophish [n=jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:07 -!- ShadowIce [i=pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:10 -!- itrekkie [n=itrekkie@ip72-200-113-154.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:12 < happy> also, how do you test if a key exists in a map? 23:12 < skelterjohn> _, included := theMap[theKey] 23:13 < skelterjohn> s.([]byte) might work for strings->bytes...not sure 23:13 < skelterjohn> import "strings" 23:13 < KirkMcDonald> skelterjohn: No. 23:13 < skelterjohn> strings.Bytes(theString) 23:14 < KirkMcDonald> skelterjohn: Becayse strings are immutable. 23:14 < KirkMcDonald> Because* 23:14 < KirkMcDonald> Yes, that. 23:14 -!- jajamana [n=jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:15 < happy> is there a way to test if a map exists in an if statement? 23:16 -!- bl3u [n=me@24-107-152-12.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit ["leaving"] 23:16 < skelterjohn> what does that mean? 23:16 < happy> skelterjohn: if map[key].exists() { 23:17 < skelterjohn> if _ included := theMap[theKey]; included { ... } 23:17 < happy> interesting... 23:17 -!- wilby [n=wilby@cpe-74-65-68-133.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:18 < happy> I did not know you could do that 23:18 -!- DerHorst_ [n=Horst@e176117008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:18 < skelterjohn> convenient for the class of functions that return (val, ok) 23:19 < happy> yeah 23:19 < happy> I am not sure if I said this yet. But I wish I could treat return values like a slice or something 23:19 < happy> like if theMap[theKey][1] 23:20 < happy> that would be useful in alot of cases 23:20 < skelterjohn> problem is they'd ahve to all be the same type 23:20 < skelterjohn> i suggested theMap[theKey]_1 at some point 23:20 < happy> skelterjohn: or maybe you could do some type of syntax 23:20 < skelterjohn> or for named return values, theMap[theKey]_theName 23:20 < happy> skelterjohn: that works too 23:20 < KirkMcDonald> Not necessarily. 23:21 < KirkMcDonald> That is, it would be possible to reuse the subscript syntax for this purpose. 23:21 < happy> skelterjohn: I do not care the exact syntax. But that would be useful 23:21 < happy> KirkMcDonald: do you think this is "against what go is" 23:21 < KirkMcDonald> happy: What I want are tuples. 23:22 < happy> ok 23:22 < skelterjohn> one of the go "ideas" is to go for "streamlined" before "feature-rich" 23:22 < skelterjohn> what i suggest would be a nice feature, imo, but they need to draw the line somewhere 23:22 < happy> there are some things that are just convienent 23:22 -!- fgb [n=fgb@190.246.85.45] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:22 < skelterjohn> and sometimes writing things in two lines instead of one is just the way to do it 23:23 < happy> skelterjohn: I do not like that attitude :-P 23:23 < happy> g2g 23:23 < skelterjohn> the first thing or the second thing 23:23 < happy> I will post something about this on golang-nuts later 23:23 < happy> the second thing 23:23 -!- F0rce1 [n=anon@89.241.168.59] has joined #go-nuts 23:23 < skelterjohn> sometimes things are clearer if you spread them out a bit 23:23 < skelterjohn> even if it takes longer to type 23:23 < happy> however, I don't like the first thing either 23:24 < skelterjohn> ternary operators, for instance 23:24 < skelterjohn> and if you want an example of things that can go wrong when a language tries to be feature-rich, look at C++ 23:24 < skelterjohn> understanding how C++ works, *really* understanding it, is *really* hard 23:24 < happy> skelterjohn: and sometimes it makes it less cleaner. For example. The map example would be much cleaner. 23:24 < happy> ok 23:24 < skelterjohn> "cleaner" is a word people sometimes confuse with "concise" 23:24 < skelterjohn> i hold that they are not necessarily the same 23:25 < happy> I like concise 23:25 < happy> anyway. I really need to go 23:26 -!- geekcloud [n=geekclou@e176167152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 23:26 < KirkMcDonald> skelterjohn: There are quite a lot of parts to C++. It is possible to "really" understand one part while being fuzzy on others. 23:26 < skelterjohn> sure 23:26 < skelterjohn> and it's certainly not a problem to write effective C++ code 23:26 < skelterjohn> because you can ignore many of the features 23:26 < skelterjohn> but woe to the person who has to maintain that compiler :) 23:32 -!- JSharpe2 [n=jamie@5ad5027e.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:33 -!- jhawk28 [n=jhawk28@user-142g7u9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:33 -!- hooopy [i=hoopy@173-30-98-140.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:33 -!- hooopy [i=hoopy@173-30-98-140.client.mchsi.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:34 -!- idemal [n=idemal@penzance.fohost.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:34 -!- jhawk28 [n=jhawk28@user-142g7u9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:34 -!- jhawk28 [n=jhawk28@user-142g7u9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:36 -!- niekie [i=quasselc@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has joined #go-nuts 23:38 -!- F0rce1 [n=anon@89.241.168.59] has left #go-nuts [] 23:39 -!- niekie_ [i=quasselc@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:41 -!- exiquio [n=ghost@c-67-164-136-59.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit ["That's it for today"] 23:43 -!- lo [n=geekclou@e176167152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:43 -!- smooge [n=smooge@12.117.147.74] has quit ["-ENOBRAIN"] 23:43 -!- geekcloud [n=geekclou@e176167152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 23:44 -!- eharmon [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has left #go-nuts [] 23:47 -!- JSharpe [n=jamie@5ad673f4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Success] 23:48 -!- scarabx [n=scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:51 -!- geekcloud [n=geekclou@e176167152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:53 -!- itrekkie [n=itrekkie@ip72-200-113-154.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 23:53 -!- jdp [n=justin@75.97.120.11.res-cmts.senj.ptd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:53 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-122-66.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:54 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-122-66.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 23:59 -!- nsf [n=nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 23:59 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:59 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has quit [] --- Log closed Fri Jan 22 00:00:48 2010