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[~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 05:40 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:40 < anticw> just passed T-3hrs 05:41 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:41 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 05:42 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.74.185] has joined #go-nuts 05:43 * Project_2501 appears \o/ 05:55 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.173.193.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:56 < anticw> iant: would a robust elf loader be difficult to implement? 05:57 <+iant> do you mean a dynamic linker like ld.so, or do you mean a loader like in the kernel? 05:58 < anticw> more like ld.so ... think dlopen 05:58 <+iant> it's possible to write ld.so but there is quite a lot of stuff it has to handle 05:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7RkdB by [Kai Backman] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- fix comment 05:58 <+iant> I don't think there would be much point to writing ld.so in Go 05:59 < anticw> iant: it wouldn't be one avenue for a ffi? 05:59 <+iant> well, we have an FFI, and it uses the system ld.so 06:00 <+iant> I don't think we gain by having an ld.so written in Go 06:00 -!- pshahmumbai [~prashant@59.164.24.191] has joined #go-nuts 06:00 <+iant> we say casually that 6g always produces statically linked programs, but in fact they are, technically, dynamically linked 06:00 <+iant> they are run via the system ld.so 06:01 -!- kaib [~kaib@c-76-102-52-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 06:01 < anticw> okies ... i was just thinking about how to do 'cgo like' things without having to bind tightly to the system libc 06:02 <+iant> I see; you could write an ld.so in Go, but having it support all the feature would take a while, and having it be as efficient as the system ld.so would be pretty tough 06:02 <+iant> because the system ld.so is extensively tuned 06:02 -!- kaib [~kaib@c-76-102-52-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:02 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v kaib] by ChanServ 06:03 < anticw> yeah, it seems to do well ... try ldd on chrome sometime ... and it loads pretty fast 06:03 * kaib thinks he finally nailed the annoying 5c register optimizer issue. 06:03 < anticw> i used to blame dyn linking for firefox and other stuff being slow, but clearly there is a lot more to it 06:03 < anticw> kaib: oh, neat ... what was it? i was your posts and was waiting for a reply out of interest 06:04 < anticw> oh, i see it 06:05 < anticw> kaib: so, how did thit not affect things greatly in the past? 06:05 <+kaib> no clue 06:05 <+kaib> i'm suspecting that nobody really used extern register declarations. 06:06 <+kaib> also, i have zero knowledge about the register optimizer in 5c, the fix might still not be appropriate even if it seems to work. 06:06 <+kaib> the bug triggers when you use extern register *and* have a passage that requires you to use registers past R8. 06:07 < anticw> i guess you can always objdump -d code before and after and verify it almost never hit anything 06:07 <+kaib> in the pkg tree there was only one or two files that triggered it, which is why i disabled the optimizer a while back. it got turned on by mistake at some point. 06:07 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.163.178.149] has joined #go-nuts 06:08 -!- spzw [~blahblah4@190.245.247.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:08 <+kaib> ie. the bug was found a while back, i just never had time to fix it. 06:09 <+kaib> iant: what is the status of arm in gccgo? has there been a lot of users? 06:10 <+iant> kaib: I don't think there have been any users 06:10 <+iant> at least, not that I've heard about 06:10 < no_mind> is GO ready to be used in production ? 06:10 <+kaib> iant: i thought someone sent in patches for arm support? 06:10 <+iant> no_mind: the garbage collector needs more work before serious use 06:10 < anticw> iant: certainly some people are playing with it ... i think lack of GC limits it somewhat though 06:10 <+iant> kaib: hmmm, maybe you're right.... 06:10 <+iant> I can't remember any more 06:11 <+kaib> iant: more precisely, fixing some bugs in the arm support.. 06:11 <+kaib> iant: which would imply there is arm support and that someone is using it enough to find bugs. unless they are of the type that find bugs just by sixth sense.. 06:12 <+iant> they might have just been trying to build it 06:12 <+iant> there is no split stack support for ARM in gccgo, so that would be limting 06:12 <+iant> limiting 06:12 < no_mind> iant, any pointers on what needs to be done in GC ? 06:12 <+iant> no_mind: the current GC is quite simple-minded 06:12 <+iant> it stops all the threads and does a mark and sweep 06:12 -!- Kibiz0r1 [~Adium@adsl-99-155-154-138.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:13 < no_mind> hmm so we need to redesign the GC ? 06:13 <+iant> it's in progress 06:13 < no_mind> ok 06:14 < anticw> iant: to be fair, people are using Go (what is the preferred casing of that btw) minimally right now 06:14 <+iant> yes 06:14 -!- Xeon_ [~chatzilla@118.126.12.54] has joined #go-nuts 06:14 <+iant> I think the preferred casing is "Go" 06:15 <+kaib> iant: that would be an issue. when you get to that point take a look at the morestack function preamble i wrote for 5l. i'm certain it can be improved upon by someone who knows arm better than me. 06:16 <+iant> I used to know ARM quite well but it's been several years 06:17 < anticw> iant: also, whilst the go GC bites a little at times, i would make the analogy with java ... when it started out the GC made it horribly unusable in some cases 06:17 < anticw> but that's not been the case for some time 06:17 <+iant> yes 06:17 < anticw> certainly though sun & ibm threw a lot of resources at it 06:17 < anticw> iant: speaking of which, have you looked at the G1 collector? 06:18 <+iant> No, I haven't 06:18 < anticw> well, i mean 'some/any of the go people' ... it seems likely some of you have at some level 06:18 <+iant> ah, yes, that is quite possible 06:19 < anticw> the sun blog about it reads really well, but it's only a blog so knows :) 06:25 -!- jdp [~justin@nj-67-237-2-145.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:32 < no_mind> iant, any thread discussing Go GC ? 06:37 < anticw> iant: heh, i see someone else asked about dynamic loading on the list 06:42 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:42 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:43 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 06:45 -!- path[l] [UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 06:58 -!- droid001 [~g1@p4FDCA5C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:08 -!- adu_ [~ajr@pool-173-66-61-240.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:08 -!- adu_ [~ajr@pool-173-66-61-240.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 07:10 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"docstrings" in Go? 15:08 < jankoprowski> Is there any way to use doxygen with Go? 15:08 < uriel> jankoprowski: read the docs in go-lang.org 15:09 < uriel> jankoprowski: http://golang.org/cmd/godoc/ 15:09 < jankoprowski> Greate :) one success 15:09 < uriel> as for examples of go programs, see http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-code 15:10 < jankoprowski> Greate uriel :] wonderful links 15:10 < uriel> re Makefiles: http://golang.org/doc/code.html 15:10 < uriel> re doxygen, no clue why one would want that when you have godoc 15:10 < jankoprowski> I found also Makefile integration:] 15:11 < jankoprowski> Here: http://golang.org/doc/code.html#tmp_31 15:11 < jankoprowski> uriel - of course. I just don't know is there any special doc generator in go :) 15:12 < jankoprowski> I know now that go has everything what I need. 15:13 < jankoprowski> Could You explain me in Your own words - why Go abandon inhertiance? 15:17 < uriel> in my own words? 15:17 < uriel> because inheritance is a totally idiotic and braindead way to organize code 15:18 < uriel> even the most fervent and mindless OO-zealots realized long ago that composition is infinitely saner and better than inheritance 15:19 < jankoprowski> But composition doesn't reflect real world connections in all situations. 15:19 < uriel> and inheritance does? uhu 15:19 < jankoprowski> In many cases. 15:19 < uriel> whatever 15:20 < uriel> programs are not the real world (and the claim that the real world is built around inheritance is plainly wrong) 15:20 < uriel> inheritance *sucks* in all possible ways, and provides *nothing* that composition can't provide 15:21 < jankoprowski> Ok :) So I see I must learn much. I was bred on Victor Schtern school :] 15:21 < jankoprowski> Do You have any argumentation from google guys? 15:22 < jankoprowski> Which can convince me? 15:23 -!- triplez [~triplez@cm35.sigma224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts 15:23 < uriel> hell, people have been argumenting this for over two decades now 15:24 < uriel> I don't think the go designers have even bothered discussing this much as pretty much everyone understands and agrees on this 15:24 < uriel> http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/ 15:24 < uriel> btw, have you actually watched Rob's presentation? 15:24 < jankoprowski> uriel: no 15:25 * uriel sighs 15:25 < jankoprowski> hey :) nobody is perfect :] 15:26 < uriel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKnDgT73v8s&feature=related 15:27 < jankoprowski> In Poland we have totally different point of view because many informations wasn't translate to our mother tongue. 15:27 < uriel> iant: hmm... I can't see a link to rob's presentation in the golang homepage, it would be nice to at least have it besides the link to Russ' clip 15:27 < uriel> jankoprowski: what makes you think that english is the native language of any of us? 15:27 < monty_hall> I think the inheritance hierarchy isn't "organic" not everything can be abstracted into a tree hierarchy. 15:28 < monty_hall> I think a lot of time is spent trying to fit square pegs into round holes. 15:28 -!- irc [~irc@209.17.191.58] has joined #go-nuts 15:28 < jankoprowski> uriel: fine :] but all of us still learning. This is time to learn something for me. When I buy a book I buy a book which are available in polish - and this is my source of informations. 15:29 < uriel> that is a bad idea, I have not bought a book in Spanish in over 15 years, and I wish I never had (technical books that is) 15:29 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:30 < jankoprowski> Timeframe between polish edition of book and it publishing in eng is so long that my informations reading in polish lang is few years behind top trends. 15:31 -!- Fraeon [~kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #go-nuts 15:32 < jankoprowski> uriel: Probably You will say "You have problems with english - stop trying to be a good computer scientist." and probably You will right. 15:33 < uriel> really, learning enough english to be able to understand technical documentation is not hard, even I managed! 15:33 < jankoprowski> I have problem with reading in english with understanding so I prefer every information in my mother tongue. 15:34 < jankoprowski> But I know that good there is many fantastic articles about this what is on the top today. 15:34 < uriel> you are assuming that translations are any good, they are not, they are crap, properly translating technical documentation is almost inherently impossible 15:34 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 15:35 < uriel> to translate technical documentation you have to re-invent all kinds of terms, which just cuases more confusion 15:35 -!- hevalbaranov [~hevalbara@78.161.69.202] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.3] 15:35 < jankoprowski> uriel: not all because in many languages there is so many "borrowing" in language that translating technical terms isn't necessery. 15:35 < uriel> also note that most technical writting in all languages is *crap* (specially for things like java where you have blocks of >1000 pages of totally worthless meaningless drivel that pass for technical literature) 15:36 < jankoprowski> w8 for a moment :) i will watch this presentation 15:36 < uriel> jankoprowski: then what is the fucking point of reading a translation?!?!? 15:37 -!- pc_ [~pc@189.27.91.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 15:38 < jankoprowski> uriel: Many informations witch make a master not just a guy which know what is happen is .... hiding somewhere behind the verse. 15:38 < uriel> and will be completely lost in the translation 15:39 < jankoprowski> This is Your point of view. 15:39 < jankoprowski> whatever, thanks for Your help 15:41 -!- spzw [~blahblah4@190.245.247.160] has joined #go-nuts 15:43 -!- pc_ [~pc@189.27.91.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #go-nuts [] 15:50 -!- moraes_ [~moraes@187.39.144.83] has joined #go-nuts 15:54 -!- moraes [~moraes@187.39.144.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:54 -!- amacleod [amacleod@c-75-69-45-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:01 -!- alkavan [~alkavan@77.127.7.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04 -!- prip [~foo@host175-122-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:05 -!- prip [~foo@host175-122-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 16:08 -!- moraes_ [~moraes@187.39.144.83] has left #go-nuts [] 16:08 -!- moraes [~moraes@187.39.144.83] has joined #go-nuts 16:09 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:28 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:8c9d:f236:776c:162d] has joined #go-nuts 16:29 -!- Xera^ [~brit@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 16:35 -!- gobama [~gobama@76-10-134-233.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #go-nuts 16:36 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 16:36 -!- gobama [~gobama@76-10-134-233.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #go-nuts [] 16:37 -!- gobama [~gobama@76-10-134-233.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #go-nuts 16:38 -!- gobama [~gobama@76-10-134-233.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:43 -!- sudi [~chatzilla@dslb-084-056-015-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:44 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-228-153-133.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 16:48 -!- perdix [~perdix@dyndsl-095-033-085-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:48 -!- perdix [~perdix@dyndsl-095-033-085-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Changing host] 16:48 -!- perdix [~perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has joined #go-nuts 17:05 -!- perdiy [~perdix@dyndsl-095-033-085-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:05 -!- perdiy [~perdix@dyndsl-095-033-085-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Changing host] 17:05 -!- perdiy [~perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has joined #go-nuts 17:09 -!- perdix [~perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09 < no_mind> I am looking for instructions on I am looking for instructions to compile go from source... cant find anywhere 17:10 < dagle> no_mind: http://golang.org/cmd/ 17:11 < dagle> What platform is you using? 17:11 < dagle> are* 17:11 < no_mind> linux x86 17:11 < no_mind> dagle, I want to compile on my machine... and mess with garbage collector 17:12 < jankoprowski> uriel: I red articles about OOP criticism and have mixed feelings 17:12 < jankoprowski> uriel: This is point of view people how talk about programming language designing 17:13 < jankoprowski> uriel: about complexity and some kind of mess behind the engine 17:14 -!- hevalbaranov [~hevalbara@78.161.69.202] has joined #go-nuts 17:14 -!- Associat0r [~Associat0@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts 17:15 < uriel> no_mind: http://golang.org/doc/install.html 17:15 < uriel> jankoprowski: it has nothing to do with 'behind the engine', it has all to do about how one thinks about problems and how one organizes code and programs 17:16 < jankoprowski> uriel: I understand that inheritance cause complexity and make things slower ... but for example "Joe Armstrong" arguments don't not appeal to me 17:16 < uriel> inheritance is the wrong model 90% of the time, and the other 10% of the time exactly the same can be acomplished with composition 17:16 < dagle> no_mind: Just use 8c and 8l. 17:17 < uriel> jankoprowski: any idiot can make any kind of smart-sounding arguments supporting any retarded idea, the question is if they work in practice 17:17 < jankoprowski> uriel: i'am still in my own thinking and I can't break this wall... 17:17 < uriel> and the world is full of examples of the total disaster that ensues when people tries to fit real problems into the inheritance paradigm 17:18 < jankoprowski> uriel: Victor Schtern arguments was really good - really ... I don't know who can convince me or polemic with it. 17:20 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:24 -!- hstimer [~hstimer@c-98-234-25-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hstimer] 17:25 -!- prip [~foo@host175-122-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:26 -!- prip [~foo@host175-122-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 17:27 -!- pshahmumbai [~prashant@59.164.24.86] has joined #go-nuts 17:29 -!- fenicks1 [~christian@log77-4-82-246-228-78.fbx.proxad.net] has left #go-nuts [] 17:34 < jankoprowski> uriel: This is hard to read for me but this defeat all arguments I have now. 17:34 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@24.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:34 < jankoprowski> uriel: But this is one of those articles I don't understand. 17:34 < jankoprowski> uriel: But I'am still reading trying to understand. 17:34 < jankoprowski> jankoprowski: http://www.paulgraham.com/reesoo.html 17:36 -!- pshahmumbai [~prashant@59.164.24.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:40 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:40 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:45 -!- ni|_ [~james@dontpanic.union.edu] has joined #go-nuts 17:46 -!- jvogel_ [~jonathan@friedpancakes.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:47 -!- ni| [~james@dontpanic.union.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:47 -!- jvogel [~jonathan@friedpancakes.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176127071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:57 -!- bageera [~bageera@rrcs-24-173-161-170.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:00 < rsaarelm> Inheritance in OO is really pretty messy. I've had the impression that people have been saying you should compose instead of inherit for at least a decade now, and the problems come from programming languages being more than a decade old. 18:01 < rsaarelm> Then there are the Smalltalk people who made their inheriting OO stuff 30 years or so ago, and have been claiming that Java and C++ got it all wrong. 18:03 < rsaarelm> The Paul Graham essay looks like a pretty good summary of OO problems. 18:04 < rsaarelm> Oh, and then there's Bertrand Meyer, who was pretty serious at trying to do OO right, and made the Eiffel language which didn't catch on. He wrote a book Object-Oriented Software Construction about the stuff that goes into it though. 18:08 < uriel> to bring things more on topic: it is really beautiful how Go handles composition 18:11 < JBeshir> It is. 18:16 -!- Demp_ [~Demp@bzq-109-66-47-105.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:17 -!- Demp [~Demp@bzq-79-181-7-40.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:17 -!- prip [~foo@host175-122-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:20 -!- idea_squirrel [ct2rips@77-21-28-172-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: what would a pirate do?] 18:24 -!- nettok [~netto@200.119.151.10] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 -!- ni|_ [~james@dontpanic.union.edu] has left #go-nuts [] 18:26 -!- ni| [~james@dontpanic.union.edu] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:28 -!- nictuku [~nnnnnnict@cetico.org] has quit [Changing host] 18:28 -!- nictuku [~nnnnnnict@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #go-nuts 18:30 -!- murodes1 [~James@124-169-193-112.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 18:31 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 18:32 -!- murodese [~James@124-169-62-175.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:49 < nictuku> the http client fails in a very funny way if you leave out the trailing slash in a URL for http.Get() 18:49 < nictuku> ... : malformed HTTP status code "HTML" 18:50 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.219.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:51 < uriel> nictuku: might be an issue with the web server? 18:51 < nictuku> no, I tried with different URLs. 18:51 < uriel> I don't see how the client would care about trailing / 18:52 < nictuku> http://pastebin.com/d10ab002a if you want to see for yourself ;-). 18:53 < nictuku> I won't open a bug report or investigate since I believe the HTTP client is being rewritten already 18:53 -!- andhul [~andhul@zreahese.hus.sgsnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55 -!- Wiz126 [Wiz126@72.20.219.36] has joined #go-nuts 18:56 -!- Xeon_ [~chatzilla@118.126.12.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57 < uriel> ah, you mean trailing after the domain name? 18:57 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC56A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:58 < uriel> nictuku: in any case it is probably a good idea to fill a bug 18:58 -!- Xeon_ [~chatzilla@118.126.12.53] has joined #go-nuts 18:59 < nictuku> will do 19:00 < uriel> also it will result in a test case being added, which wont hurt 19:02 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC56A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06 -!- stalled [~411@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC56A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:08 -!- Xeon__ [~chatzilla@118.126.12.54] has joined #go-nuts 19:08 -!- Xeon_ [~chatzilla@118.126.12.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14 -!- hurtonm [~hurtonm@adsl-195-098-012-156.dynamic.nextra.sk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:16 -!- b00m_chef__ [~watr@d64-180-45-230.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 -!- stalled [~411@unaffiliated/stalled] has joined #go-nuts 19:31 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.74.185] has joined #go-nuts 19:34 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:34 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #go-nuts 19:36 -!- prip [~foo@host128-24-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 19:38 -!- hevalbaranov [~hevalbara@78.161.69.202] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.3] 19:42 -!- zimbatm [zimbatm@stan.oree.ch] has left #go-nuts ["Leaving..."] 20:08 -!- oal [~olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09 < no_mind> I see lots of C code in GO code 20:12 -!- p4p4_ [~P4p4@24.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:13 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@24.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:16 -!- p4p4_ [~P4p4@24.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:17 -!- Ortzman [~ortzinato@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:18 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@unaffiliated/ortzinator] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:21 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7TxXJ by [Adam Langley] in go/src/pkg/encoding/pem/ -- encoding/pem: add marshalling support. 20:24 -!- rochus [~rochus@p57A5597A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:24 < rochus> hi! 20:30 < rochus> is here anyone using xgb? i'm searching for the XSetErrorHandler / xcb_event_set_event_handler equivalent 20:30 -!- Ortzman [~ortzinato@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:33 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:35 -!- mssm [~mssm@ip-95-221-77-70.bb.netbynet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:36 -!- mssm [~mssm@ip-95-221-77-70.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 20:36 -!- General13372 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:38 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 20:39 -!- jajamana [~jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit [Client Quit] 20:40 -!- General1337 [~support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:42 -!- jankoprowski [~5948fa8a@gateway/web/freenode/x-gjynsgfwpfcgxrcc] has quit [Quit: "go to bad"] 20:44 < uriel> no_mind: the current compilers and much of the runtime is written in C, mostly for simplicity of bootstraping, there are plans to eventually rewrite it all in Go 20:45 < uriel> but I would expect that to wait until at least the language has settled for good 20:45 < uriel> (note that pretty much all the libraries are in pure Go, and don't even depend on libc) 20:52 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.173.228.42] has joined #go-nuts 20:53 -!- no_mind_ [~orion@122.173.228.42] has quit [Client Quit] 20:54 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.163.178.149] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:54 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:54 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@cpe-065-191-006-129.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:54 -!- Ortzinator [~ortzinato@unaffiliated/ortzinator] has joined #go-nuts 20:55 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.173.228.42] has joined #go-nuts 20:55 < no_mind> uriel, thanks, could please confirm that the garbage collector code is in src/cmd/gc 20:56 < uriel> no_mind: no, cmd/gc is the *Go* *C*ompiler 20:56 < no_mind> ok 20:56 < no_mind> so where is the gc code ? 20:57 -!- amacleod [amacleod@c-75-69-45-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye] 21:04 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:07 * Project_2501 quits o.o 21:07 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.74.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-133-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:09 -!- sw4 [~sw@193.126.212.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:14 -!- sw4 [~sw@193.126.212.28] has joined #go-nuts 21:18 -!- keesj_ [~keesj@ip49-193-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #go-nuts [] 21:18 -!- sw4 [~sw@193.126.212.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:25 < uriel> no_mind: http://golang.org/src/pkg/runtime/ 21:26 < uriel> as I think is well documented: the garbage collector is being rewritten 21:28 < no_mind> urgen, yes I know it is being rewritten 21:29 < no_mind> s/ urgen / uriel 21:29 < no_mind> uriel, I am trying if it is possible to plugin a gc into GO 21:30 < uriel> replacing http://golang.org/src/pkg/runtime/mgc0.c seems simple enough 21:30 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:8c9d:f236:776c:162d] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31 < uriel> but if you have trouble greping for 'Garbage collector', I'm not too optimistic about your chances of actually writting a GC... but hey, I guess they might be different skils.. 21:31 < uriel> (note that I had no clue where the GC code was, and it took me about 30 seconds to find it) 21:31 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #go-nuts 21:37 < no_mind> well I was greping gc instead of garbage collector... so it pointed to cmd/gc dir 21:38 -!- sw4 [~sw@193.126.221.244] has joined #go-nuts 21:51 -!- jophish [~jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57 -!- bartwe [~bartwe@pluk-lang.org] has joined #go-nuts 21:58 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176127071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:01 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:04 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:04 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 22:08 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-116-179-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 22:27 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29 -!- jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:30 -!- jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has left #go-nuts [] 22:34 -!- ShadowIce [pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:37 -!- rochus [~rochus@p57A5597A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39 -!- rochus [~rochus@p57A5597A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:40 -!- smw [~stephen@pool-96-232-88-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:43 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 22:50 -!- Associat0r [~Associat0@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Associat0r] 22:50 -!- Altercation [~Altercati@pdpc/supporter/active/altercation] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57 -!- Altercation [~Altercati@pdpc/supporter/active/altercation] has joined #go-nuts 23:08 -!- jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:13 < jordyd> What happened to that site that lists go libraries/bindings/software? 23:13 -!- geocalc [~geobsd@lns-bzn-20-82-64-51-199.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #go-nuts 23:14 -!- GeoBSD [~geobsd@lns-bzn-38-82-253-85-200.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:16 < dagle> jordyd: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/ ? 23:17 -!- no_mind [~orion@122.173.228.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18 < jordyd> dagle, Yeah, thanks. 23:20 < uriel> did something happen to go-lang.cat-v.org in the last five minutes since I last updated it? :)) 23:22 < jordyd> uriel, no, I just couldn't find a link to it. :) 23:23 < jordyd> Perhaps I could have worded it better. :) 23:24 < uriel> heh, no worries, was joking 23:24 < uriel> next time you can find it searching here: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-search ;) 23:29 -!- rochus [~rochus@p57A5597A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:56 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has joined #go-nuts --- Log closed Mon Feb 08 00:00:56 2010