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00:11 < Ginto8_> wow...
00:11 < Ginto8_> that was a major net split
00:12 < Tonnerre> Welcome to splitnode
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01:56 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dv7eS by [Russ Cox] in go/lib/codereview/ --
codereview: make 'hg submit' work with Mercurial 1.6
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04:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dviUz by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
print error detail about failure to open import
04:49 < MizardX> That was one small change.  4 added characters.
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09:13 < sauerbraten> chressie: i do upload the source, but for users that
don't want to install go just to be able to use my prog, it's much easier if they
can just download the binaries, isn't it?
09:14 < sauerbraten> str1ngs: they can not if they don't have go installed
09:14 < sauerbraten> temoto: why not?
09:15 < sauerbraten> btw: the three answers were related to my bitbucket
account ;)
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15:15 < str1ngs> c chan os.Error . how can I access c.String()?  or can I
even?
15:16 < Namegduf> You can't, that isn't how it works.
15:16 < Namegduf> You read from the channel into a variable, then access
that.
15:17 < str1ngs> ah ok that makes sense now
15:17 < str1ngs> also how do I wait for goroutine is that what process is
for?
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15:21 < str1ngs> Receivers always block until there is data to receive.
think that answers my question
15:22 < str1ngs> so as long as I use <-c somewhere it will block there?
15:22 < Ginto8> yes
15:23 < str1ngs> ha ok nice thank you
15:23 < Ginto8> but you want one channel per 2 synced goroutines
15:23 < Ginto8> or at least that's idiomatic
15:23 < Ginto8> you can make it so that the function starting the routine
either returns a channel or takes it as a parameter
15:23 < Ginto8> returning is what's common
15:24 < str1ngs> its only on goroutine actually I probably dont even need
it.  but I thougt I would atleast learn how they work
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15:30 < nsf> http://omploader.org/vNHltYg/gocode-emacs.png
15:30 < nsf> trying gocode in emacs :D
15:30 * nsf is a total emacs noob :(
15:32 < nsf> I guess I should remove complete type signature from the
summary line and move it to the doc
15:32 < nsf> looks ugly
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15:34 * nsf is in the painful process of switching from vim to emacs
15:34 < nsf> >_<
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15:35 * exch hates both
15:38 < mpl> nsf: why?
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15:40 < nsf> mpl: tired of vim
15:40 < mpl> have you considered acme?
15:41 < nsf> yes, I've tried it
15:41 < mpl> ok
15:41 < MaybeSo> clearly you should be using wylbur.  :D
15:41 < nsf> well, frank
15:41 < nsf> frankly*
15:42 < nsf> I can't use vim now with my new keyboard
15:42 < nsf> that's why I'm switching to emacs :D
15:42 < str1ngs> let me guess devorak keyboard?
15:42 < Tonnerre> Or maybe neo
15:42 < nsf> nope, the layout is almost the same, it's the "mini" one, like
on notebooks
15:43 < nsf> and in vim I've never used hjkl
15:43 < mpl> dvorak is fine in vim anyway.
15:43 < Tonnerre> hjkl is great
15:43 < nsf> and always used things like home end pgup pgdn arrows
15:43 < mpl> jk are right next to each other
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15:43 < mpl> and hl pretty easy to reach as well.
15:43 < nsf> so..  now I'm totally changing all the habits
15:44 < nsf> and I think it's a good reason to switch to emacs :D
15:44 * Tonnerre thinks there is no good reason ever to switch to emacs but well
15:44 < Tonnerre> At least that's true for GNU/emacs
15:44 < Tonnerre> Not so much for LispOS emacs
15:44 < str1ngs> dont you need 4 thumbs for emacs?  :P
15:45 < Tonnerre> str1ngs, two left hands and all 10 fingers being thumbs
15:45 < str1ngs> hehe
15:45 < Tonnerre> Well, LispOS emacs was great
15:46 < nsf> emacs is not that bad :)
15:46 * exch prefers to keep it simple.  Good old fashioned nano or gedit will do
me fine
15:46 < Tonnerre> exch, I use nvi
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15:46 < str1ngs> actually I alwasy make fun of emacs.  but honestly w/e
works for you is all good.
15:47 < Tonnerre> I heard some people use eclipse
15:47 < Tonnerre> Which is even larger than emacs
15:47 < Tonnerre> So… Whatever suits people
15:47 < nsf> yep, the major thought here is that you can write code with any
editor, even on a piece of paper with a pencil, it's just a matter of speed
15:47 < nsf> and the writing speed itself is not a really big deal
15:47 < nsf> imho
15:52 < nsf> I should write my own editor :D
15:52 < nsf> :P~~
15:52 < str1ngs> in go!  :P
15:52 < nsf> of course
15:52 < str1ngs> gomacs?
15:53 < nsf> mb
15:55 < jessta> I'm sure someone will start a port of Acme to Go
15:55 < nsf> i don't like acme :)
15:55 < dark> nsf, it's also, secretly, a matter of pleasure.  you can write
your own editor, but will it be more enjoyable than your current one?  if not this
may be pointless
15:56 < nsf> dark: life is meaningless, don't worry about it
15:56 < dark> that's exactly why people look for such little things, nsf ^^
15:56 < nsf> and it was a joke, I'm not even considering writing an editor..
yet
15:57 < nsf> I'm more conserned about my gocode project
15:57 < nsf> which is autocompletion daemon for Go
15:58 < nsf> maybe it will eventually be a part of some kind of a text
editor or IDE
15:58 < nsf> who knows :D
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16:05 < mpl> jessta: yeah it's my back up project when I run out of
interesting things to do in Go (which is not likely to happen soon ;) )
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16:10 < str1ngs> ok I think I understand goroutines and channels.  <-c
waits for a signal and in my goroutine I need to signale the channel ie c <- 1
?
16:12 < exch> ya
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16:13 < str1ngs> still not sure about the handle server ie 2 goroutines.
but I atleast understand a loop
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16:14 < exch> If you don't need to know which goroutine returns, but just
want to make sure they all return, then keep a counter of some kind updated
everytime c receives a signal
16:15 < exch> If you do need to know which one returns, then you can pass
each goroutine a different channel which you can all poll individually
16:15 < exch> with a select {} statement, you can poll multiple channels
simultaneously
16:17 < str1ngs> ah ok the 2 channel bit makes more sense
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16:19 < str1ngs> dur and I can send a single to the say server routine.  so
really its not like I have to block it even
16:19 < str1ngs> signal*
16:20 < str1ngs> so really I start the goroutine.  when I want the its data
that when it stops
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16:27 < str1ngs> ya think my original statement works better.  as long as I
wait for the signal at some point and the goroutine sends a signal when its done.
then I sould be fine.
16:27 < exch> If that's all you need, then yes
16:28 < exch> Even works if your goroutine returns some form of data that
you need.  Passing it back through the signal channel allows for it to work
asynchronously
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16:34 < str1ngs> ok so I can do either or.  I'll probably keep it simple for
now
16:34 < str1ngs> but I can see how good this can be down the road.
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16:49 < skelterjohn> instead of making n channels, make an int channel along
which you send one of n identifiers
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16:59 < str1ngs> ah so in away I can identify the goroutine.  and do stuff
like if channel is > 0 we still have goroutines running
17:22 < skelterjohn> for instance, yeah
17:22 < skelterjohn> as long as you start counting goroutines at 1
17:23 < Namegduf> Nah
17:24 < Namegduf> for i := 0; i < goroutines; i++ { <-channel }
17:25 < Namegduf> That'll return when they're alls topped.
17:25 < Namegduf> Unless I misunderstand what you're trying to do.
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17:31 < araujo> buf[1:9] , gets me the elements between 1 and 9 right?
17:31 < Namegduf> It gets 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
17:32 < Namegduf> This is so that buf[0:len(buf)] does what is obvious
17:32 < araujo> nice, thanks Namegduf
17:33 < Tonnerre> So mathematically that would be buf[x,y) ?
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17:36 < str1ngs> Namegduf: all I need is <-channel for now but I guess I
was trying to understand using more then one goroutine
17:37 < str1ngs> actually I probably not evne need <-channel but I should
I guess use one to check for an error.
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19:14 < mpl> is there a way to "undeclare" a var?  ie I want to reuse a var
name which was previously used for another type.
19:19 < impl> do you have some fascination with making code unusually
confusing?  :<
19:21 < mpl> yes :)
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19:21 < mpl> but I agree I shouldn't have to do that.  was just curious.
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19:49 < araujo> I keep getting a:
19:49 < Eko> mpl: I've never tried it, but you might be able to create a
scoping block (e.g.  {...})
19:49 < araujo> syntax error: unexpected comma
19:50 < Eko> araujo: Can you nopaste the offending code and compile output?
19:50 < araujo> in my code, though I have checked/re-checked the syntax and
see no problem, anybody knows if there exist a known issue about this?
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19:50 < araujo> ok, hold, doign it from other device
19:54 < araujo> Eko, nvm, nil != [] , kind of had that messed up :P
19:57 < napsy> Is garbage collection implemented implemented in gccgo?
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20:02 < sauerbraten> napsy: http://is.gd/dw4Jr first post...
20:03 < napsy> thanks
20:11 < napsy> interresting thread
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20:47 < sauerbraten> check out: http://bitbucket.org/axle/gots what do you
think of it?  any suggestions / bugs?
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20:58 < exch> A few cosmetic remarks perhaps
20:58 < exch> 'func getTS(query string, method string, limit string)' you
can do: func getTS(query, method, limit string)
20:59 < exch> also the error values you define in getTS..  why define 2
separate variables (g_err and r_err)?  One variable should work in both cases.
21:00 < sauerbraten> oh right...  btw: i called it queryTS now, is more
readable...
21:00 < sauerbraten> ok i'll change the errors, too
21:00 < exch> It's generally also good practise to return any error you
receive up the callchain, but that depends on what you are doing with the return
values I suppose
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23:40 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dwfgl by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/gc/ --
1.  got 29 (Mpscale) more bits of precision
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23:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dwg5m by [Peter Mundy] in go/src/pkg/utf16/ --
utf16: fix cyclic dependency when testing on Windows
23:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dwg5r by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of go/src/ --
linux/386: use Xen-friendly ELF TLS instruction sequence
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