--- Log opened Tue Mar 02 00:00:18 2010 00:02 -!- trepan [~trepan@unaffiliated/trepan] has joined #go-nuts 00:05 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC73DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14 < fenicks> how to trap a signal in GO, like SIGINT ? 00:15 < Sapient> out of curiosity, how do the design goals of Go language differ from those of D language ? Is there some significant overlap ? 00:17 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@38.112.6.110] has joined #go-nuts 00:17 <+iant> fenicks: see the os/signal package 00:17 < Nikopol> Sapient: was wondering myself 00:19 <+iant> Sapient: I don't know enough about D to say how the goals differ, but it seems clear that the implementation approach differs 00:19 <+iant> D seems to include all the features of C++ 00:19 <+iant> or at least nearly all 00:19 <+iant> Go takes a completely different route 00:19 < Sapient> less is more? 00:21 < Sapient> it's a tough question to answer in a few words probably I should just try them both out and learn for myself 00:21 < Sapient> but you know, programmers and laziness 00:22 < Nikopol> how is that "completely" different? 00:23 < Nikopol> I know it's written from scratch 00:23 < Nikopol> :) 00:23 < Nikopol> however I see (practically) many similarities 00:24 <+iant> Go started with nothing and added language features that seemed necessary for writing code 00:24 <+iant> As I say, I know much less about D, but it seems to start with C++ and change it to be better 00:24 <+iant> I would describe those approaches as completely different 00:24 <+iant> clearly both languages are in the C (or Algol) family and thus have similarities 00:24 < Nikopol> the modularity is pretty similar 00:25 < KirkMcDonald> Much of what D does is drop features from C++. 00:25 < Nikopol> compile times 00:25 < KirkMcDonald> No multiple inheritance, no preprocessor, no header files. 00:25 < Nikopol> KirkMcDonald: (agreed) 00:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9ujFW by [Andrey Mirtchovski] in 3 subdirs of go/ -- strings.Bytes -> []byte for documentation example, src/pkg/* comments, and htmlgen.go 00:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/9ujG7 by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ -- Minor mistake in docs. 00:27 < KirkMcDonald> Originally it did not have templates, too. They were only added once a reasonable design and syntax for them was devised. 00:27 < Nikopol> I was quite surprised to see that, there are no mention of D in the Go FAQ/docs 00:27 < Nikopol> really surprised 00:27 <+iant> The designers of Go did not look at D during the design process 00:27 <+iant> and none of the Go team are really familiar with D 00:27 <+iant> So what should a FAQ entry say? 00:28 < KirkMcDonald> Just that. 00:28 < Nikopol> there is a language comparison with C 00:28 <+iant> ha, OK 00:28 <+iant> Nikopol: only about declaration syntax, because that is really is a FAQ 00:28 < KirkMcDonald> I still think Go should have made the dereference operator a postfix operator. 00:29 < Nikopol> but it's hard to explain how this question has not been raised by any of Go users/designers 00:29 <+iant> yeah, maybe 00:29 < Nikopol> but, nevermind... 00:29 <+iant> Nikopol: it's come up on the mailing list a couple of times 00:29 <+iant> D is just a different language 00:29 <+iant> I'm not sure what interesting things there are to say about Go and D 00:30 < KirkMcDonald> There is one interesting point of similarity between the two languages. 00:30 < Nikopol> lots. But I'm not an expert 00:30 < KirkMcDonald> Which are Go's slices and D's dynamic arrays. 00:30 <+iant> how do dynamic arrays work? 00:30 < KirkMcDonald> They are implemented as { length, pointer } structs. (So-called "fat pointers.") 00:31 <+iant> so fairly similar then 00:31 < KirkMcDonald> The one difference is that you can (for instance) do: array.length = 20; 00:31 < KirkMcDonald> And this will allocate a new array and copy. 00:32 <+iant> where as in Go you can reslice, but only up to the capacity 00:32 < KirkMcDonald> And you can concatenate two dynamic arrays and get a new one, etc. 00:32 <+iant> we've talked that one back and forth and up and down 00:32 < KirkMcDonald> But, they both support the slice operation. 00:32 < KirkMcDonald> And the slice is simply a new dynamic array. 00:32 < KirkMcDonald> And so on. 00:33 < KirkMcDonald> So as in Go, this permits lots of byte-fiddling operations to be done with ease, and without having to mess with pointers directly. 00:33 <+iant> does D have pointer arithmetic? 00:33 < KirkMcDonald> (Conversely, D has C-style pointers, including pointer arithmetic. 00:33 < KirkMcDonald> ) 00:34 < Sapient> ok, well thanks for humoring my question with some interesting discussion. the differences and similarities are a bit clearer now 00:34 <+iant> anyhow, we would probably consider a contribution to the language FAQ about D 00:34 <+iant> if somebody who knows D wants to write one 00:34 -!- homiziado [~ernestofr@78.130.67.34.rev.optimus.pt] has joined #go-nuts 00:34 <+iant> or we could have Go for D programmers.... 00:34 < KirkMcDonald> I would have to think about it. 00:34 < nf> iant: definitely worth inclusion :) 00:34 <+iant> I think Andrew is working on Go for Java programmers 00:34 < nf> how many D programmers are there? 00:34 < KirkMcDonald> But I guess I'm as qualified as anyone to write such a thing. 00:35 <+iant> I wrote Go for C++ programmers myself when I was first working with Go 00:35 < KirkMcDonald> One issue with such a document is that very few D programmers started with D. As a rule, they came from C++ or Java, or something else. 00:36 < dagle> Go also have som simularities to the Fantom language. 00:36 < dagle> http://fantom.org/ 00:36 <+iant> That language is new to me 00:37 < KirkMcDonald> I will say that, if the Go developers ever become interested in adding compile-time templates to Go, D's templates would be worth looking at. 00:38 <+iant> what would you say are the key differences between D templates and C++ templates? 00:38 < KirkMcDonald> They are probably the best, or at least the most interesting, part of that language. 00:38 < KirkMcDonald> One is that they do not complicate the parser unnecessarily. 00:38 < KirkMcDonald> The second is that, while C++ templates are limited to classes and functions, a D template is a namespace which may contain any declarations. 00:39 -!- scarabx [~scarabx@c-76-19-43-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:39 < KirkMcDonald> Next there is 'static if', which permits many things which would be written using template specialization in C++ to be done much more logically. 00:40 < KirkMcDonald> D also has variadic templates, which have some interesting uses. 00:40 <+iant> C++0x added variadic templates 00:40 < KirkMcDonald> Yes, it did. 00:40 < KirkMcDonald> But I don't like them as much. :-) 00:40 <+iant> static if is a nice idea 00:41 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@2002:467b:802c:0:223:6cff:fe93:c616] has joined #go-nuts 00:41 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@2002:467b:802c:0:223:6cff:fe93:c616] has left #go-nuts [] 00:41 < KirkMcDonald> The C++ template syntax is basically awful. 00:41 < Sapient> I agree, except for the basically part ;) 00:41 < KirkMcDonald> 'typename' alone is a sign that something went dreadfully wrong with the grammar. 00:43 -!- sudi [~chatzilla@dslb-084-056-015-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:43 < KirkMcDonald> What else... Oh yes, the variety of types which may be used as template parameters is greater. 00:43 < KirkMcDonald> ints, floats, strings... 00:43 < KirkMcDonald> And (perhaps most interestingly) 'alias' parameters, which may be any symbol. 00:44 < KirkMcDonald> Such as functions. 00:44 < KirkMcDonald> (Or, technically, variables, but the compiler can behave oddly if you try passing local variables as alias template parameters...) 00:45 -!- smw [~stephen@pool-96-232-88-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:50 -!- rhelmer [~rhelmer@38.112.6.110] has quit [Quit: rhelmer] 00:51 -!- geocalc [~geobsd@lns-bzn-37-82-253-18-73.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has joined #go-nuts 00:56 -!- Sapient [~patrickp@wesnoth/developer/sapient] has left #go-nuts [] 01:02 -!- dizm [~dizm@121.98.168.127] has left #go-nuts [] 01:07 -!- homiziado [~ernestofr@78.130.67.34.rev.optimus.pt] has quit [Quit: homiziado] 01:11 -!- mssm 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[~kssreeram@122.174.70.187] has joined #go-nuts 03:55 -!- scandal [~me@unaffiliated/scandal] has left #go-nuts [] 03:55 < hstimer> I'm seeing some odd interface casting behavior 03:56 < hstimer> T implements T1 03:56 < hstimer> foo () (T1) { return T } 03:57 < hstimer> t, good = foo().(T) 03:57 < hstimer> good == false 03:59 < anticw> (*T) 04:01 < hstimer> anticw: oh.... that worked.... why? 04:06 < anticw> hstimer: i can't find a good refernece in the spec as to why this is necessary 04:07 < anticw> iant: can you comment perhaps? 04:11 < no_mind> can I declare a function to return a struct and os.Error and return only os.Error on error ? 04:12 < hstimer> no 04:13 < exch> it'll be nil and os.error then 04:13 < exch> at best 04:13 < no_mind> so if error occurs, I have return an empty struct and os.Error ? 04:16 -!- wuehlmaus [~wuehlmaus@p4FCC6484.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:16 -!- yatoo [~marcus@host86-160-77-91.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 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channel w/o actually doing the read/write? 18:22 <+iant> No 18:22 <+iant> Such tests are highly vulnerable to race conditions 18:23 < anticw> yes, i'm aware of that and assume that was why 18:23 < anticw> fwiw, i wanted a clean priority-queue that was more or less a channel in and a channel out 18:23 -!- mbarkhau [~koloss@dslb-084-059-152-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:24 < anticw> the output would have n slow consumers, so the reordering w/ a heap is possible, but getting it all working cleanly last night eluded me 18:24 < anticw> at this point i'm looking at runtime.Semaphore despite claims i shouldn't use it 18:25 < hdon> iant, ah, i wasn't actually interested in it for any practical goal, i'm just a swig fan and wanted to take a look :) 18:26 -!- carllerche [~carllerch@enginey-9.border1.sfo002.pnap.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 < JBeshir> Hmm. Why not make the communication two way? Have the consumers write to a channel to indicate that they're reading? 18:26 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-59-29.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 < no_mind> anyone writing a wrapper for openssl ? 18:26 < JBeshir> Vulnerable to races, except that if I get your design close enough, your design wouldn't allow it. 18:26 <+iant> Now that I'm trying to figure out how to port SWIG I'm not sure I could describe myself as a SWIG fan.... 18:26 <+iant> at least I am not a SWIG internals documentation fan 18:26 < JBeshir> Since it guarantees that if they send that message they're going to be reading right afterwards. 18:27 < JBeshir> Make a "request" queue? 18:28 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-29-20.westend.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:29 < hdon> iant, heheh, i feel the same way with respect to that aspect of SWIG. i am in fact writing a SWIG module now with a secondary goal of providing a highly documented demonstration of Language inheritance in SWIG -- right now i literally have about six lines of comments to every line of code. it was just far too difficult for me to get off the ground without just *copying* someone else's module and tweaking it until it matched my needs, whi 18:29 < hdon> ch wasn't what i wanted. 18:31 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-29-20.westend.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31 -!- m1ndwarp [~m1ndwarp@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-29-20.westend.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:35 -!- nutate [~rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has joined #go-nuts 18:36 -!- KillerX [~anant@145.116.234.40] has joined #go-nuts 18:36 -!- KillerX [~anant@145.116.234.40] has quit [Changing host] 18:36 -!- KillerX [~anant@gentoo/developer/KillerX] has joined #go-nuts 18:37 -!- kssreeram [~kssreeram@122.174.70.187] has quit [Quit: kssreeram] 18:39 -!- KillerX [~anant@gentoo/developer/KillerX] has quit [Client Quit] 18:49 -!- diabolix [~jsoyke@206.210.81.55] has joined #go-nuts 18:55 -!- carllerche 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install scripts written in bash when they work perfectly fine after i replaced all calls to bash with sh? 20:51 <+iant> because bash is more portable than sh and it seems easier to require bash than to worry about future sh portability issues 20:51 <+iant> well, very simple uses of sh are portable 20:51 <+iant> but we don't have a way to audit the scripts for sh portability 20:52 < nocturnal> i still don't get it, most things are written in bourne shell because every one has bourne shell 20:52 < nocturnal> it is defined in posix as sh 20:52 <+iant> sure, but in practice most shells extend sh, and they extend it in different ways 20:52 < nocturnal> and the scripts obviously work in bourne 20:53 < nocturnal> so you might break compatibility with sh some time in the future? 20:53 <+iant> they may today, although I wonder what shell you are using to test that 20:53 < nocturnal> and just use bash? 20:53 <+iant> but, right, will they work with sh in the future? 20:53 < nocturnal> yeah 20:53 < nocturnal> will they? 20:53 < nocturnal> who could tell really 20:53 <+iant> I don't know but I guarantee they will work with bash 20:54 < nocturnal> so you're willing to break compatibility with POSIX then 20:54 < nocturnal> or just extend it 20:54 <+iant> I would say, rather, that we're willing to test with bash 20:55 -!- nanoo [~nano@95-89-189-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55 <+iant> we don't plan to break POSIX compatibility but since we have no good way to test for it we don't want to spend our time on it 20:55 <+iant> what system do you use? 20:55 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 20:55 < nocturnal> how can you not have a good way to test bourne shell? os x has it 20:55 < nocturnal> and you support os x officially 20:55 <+iant> OS X has a strict bourne shell? that is news to me 20:55 <+iant> strict POSIX Bourne shells are rare 20:56 < nocturnal> hmm maybe i'm wrong 20:56 < nocturnal> sorry 20:56 < nocturnal> i just saw the manual for sh in os x 20:56 <+iant> I mean, bash is a Bourne shell, too 20:56 < nocturnal> it is the bash manual 20:56 <+iant> it's just not a strict one 20:56 < d_m> nocturnal: i thought OS X just links /bin/sh -> /bin/bash (which turns on bash's sh compatibility mode) 20:56 < hdon> my /bin/sh is a link to /bin/dash 20:56 < nocturnal> a hard link in that case 20:56 <+iant> yeah, I just looked on an OS X system and /bin/sh was a symlink to /bin/bash 20:57 < nocturnal> mine isn't a symlink but the manual is the same as bash 20:57 < nocturnal> so i must assume it is bash somehow 20:57 < nocturnal> like csh is tcsh in bsd 20:58 < nocturnal> on os x 10.6 Binary files /bin/sh and /bin/bash differ 20:59 < nocturnal> anyways, thanks for the info. i got to sleep 20:59 -!- afurlan [~afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59 -!- nocturnal [~nocturnal@83.209.24.174] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:03 -!- m1ndwarp 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