--- Log opened Wed Jan 19 00:00:04 2011 00:00 -!- napsy [~luka@APN-122-41-22-gprs.simobil.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:06 -!- boscop [~boscop@g230098149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:09 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc5-aztw24-2-0-cust39.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:13 -!- sav [~lsd@189001130056.usr.predialnet.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 00:14 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc5-aztw24-2-0-cust39.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:30 -!- ukai [~ukai@nat/google/x-pzllkunxmbnuayey] has joined #go-nuts 00:31 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-tysqiuutqmgdhvcs] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:35 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.105.75] has joined #go-nuts 00:35 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 00:41 -!- dju [dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41 -!- dju [dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 01:09 -!- saturnfive [~saturnfiv@210.74.155.131] has joined #go-nuts 01:16 -!- m4dh4tt3r2 [~Adium@75.144.24.109-BusName-walnutcreek.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:18 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@75.144.24.109-BusName-walnutcreek.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30 -!- nekschot [nekschot@82-170-165-101.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 01:31 -!- m4dh4tt3r2 [~Adium@75.144.24.109-BusName-walnutcreek.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.202.115] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:36 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 01:39 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@58.sub-75-208-219.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 01:40 -!- Skola [~ik@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 01:40 -!- Skola [~ik@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45 -!- sav [~lsd@189001130056.usr.predialnet.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48 -!- Sgeo [~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:49 < Sgeo> Does Go have macros of any sort? 01:51 < Namegduf> No. 01:53 -!- Skola [~ik@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 01:54 < Sgeo> Well, that's boring 01:55 * Sgeo gets bored easily 01:55 < Namegduf> Yeah, it drastically reduces the "figure out what the hell this is doing" factor 01:58 -!- Tv [~tv@cpe-76-168-227-45.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 02:00 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.105.75] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:02 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@58.sub-75-208-219.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05 -!- bmizerany [~bmizerany@204.14.152.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@82.84.96.87] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 02:10 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@dhcp-140-254-204-61.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12 -!- napsy [~luka@APN-122-41-22-gprs.simobil.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:12 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@69.sub-75-210-153.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 02:13 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:30 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@69.sub-75-210-153.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:30 < homa_ran1> why is the regexp package implemented with codepoints instead of bytes? 02:31 < homa_ran1> it seems it could be simpler and avoid unnecessary decoding without losing any expressiveness 02:43 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-26.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 02:49 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:49 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-68-45-238-234.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:24 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:38 -!- quantumelixir [~chillu@203.110.240.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:40 -!- nettok [~quassel@200.119.181.152] has joined #go-nuts 03:51 -!- cco3 [~conley@c-69-181-138-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:08 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:08 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 04:18 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:25 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 04:25 -!- roo [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #go-nuts 04:26 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:46 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-26.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-26.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 04:56 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-254-159.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:04 < jessta> homa_ran1: but then it wouldn't handle unicode... 05:05 < jessta> Sgeo: no macros, but there is reflection 05:05 < Sgeo> Hmm? That seems interesting... 05:06 < jessta> also, because Go is easy to parse, but could quite easily write a program that modifies a program 05:06 < jessta> *you could 05:07 -!- gits [~gits@77.94.219.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07 < Sgeo> The reflection sounds more interesting, tbh 05:08 < Sgeo> Go doesn't work well on Windows? 05:12 < TheSeeker> There's still stuff missing on the Windows port. 05:13 -!- cafesofi_ [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-26.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 05:14 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-26.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14 < homa_rano> jessta: treating a codepoint as its UTF8 bytes should be completely compatible with regexp search 05:15 < Sgeo> What differences are there between Go's concurrency and Erlang's? 05:15 < homa_rano> jessta: even large codepoint ranges can be relatively compactly compiled into a UTF8-regexp 05:15 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16 < jessta> Sgeo: go's channels are sync, erlang's are async 05:17 -!- cafesofi_ [~cafesofie@rnwifi-164-107-93-26.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18 < jessta> they are quite different 05:22 < homa_rano> I agree the regexp compiler should be unicode aware, but decoding all text input seems unnecessary 05:34 -!- keithcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-ncybzrdjprztlrnv] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:36 -!- jeff2 [~sername@c-67-164-29-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:40 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@dhcp-128-146-69-17.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has joined #go-nuts 05:42 -!- LeNsTR [~lenstr@unaffiliated/lenstr] has quit [Quit: LeNsTR] 05:44 -!- jeff2 [~sername@c-67-164-29-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:03 -!- asiet_sucks [ca58fdfa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.88.253.250] has joined #go-nuts 06:24 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit 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I'd get in contact with the maintainer 09:07 < erus`> ok thanks 09:08 < amro> erus`: I'd also note that you should probably move to programmable pipeline while you're at it 09:09 < erus`> once its working :) 09:10 < amro> you realize you're gonna throw all that code away :) unless it's abstracted 09:11 < erus`> All abstracted into oblivion 09:11 < erus`> I tend to over-engineer these things 09:11 -!- [Pete_27] [~noname@110-174-103-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:13 -!- [Pete_27] [~noname@110-174-103-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #go-nuts 09:15 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:17 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23 -!- Kashia [~Kashia@port-92-200-22-224.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:24 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 09:24 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.22.246] has joined 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erus`: see http://golang.org/pkg/runtime/#GOMAXPROCS 12:15 < fzzbt> it's 1 by default, i think 12:15 < erus`> aaaaah 12:15 < erus`> thanks 12:17 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@189.30.51.233] has joined #go-nuts 12:18 < erus`> haha my laptops gettting hot 12:19 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.162] has joined #go-nuts 12:22 -!- acetoline [~acetoline@125-237-12-196.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23 < erus`> Is there a framework for splitting up batch jobs 12:23 < erus`> in go> 12:23 < erus`> ? 12:30 < Urmel|> al 12:35 -!- felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #go-nuts 12:51 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-zffuzgvuausqaxba] has joined #go-nuts 12:57 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-69-181-223-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:01 < wrtp> erus`: what would you want such a framework to do for you? 13:02 < wrtp> if you've got a load of independent tasks, it's trivial to have a couple of goroutines running them 13:04 < erus`> i know it just seems like alot of code to split up a range between worker threads 13:04 < erus`> Is there a go compatible pastebin anywhere? 13:06 < bortzmeyer> erus`: most pastebins accept raw text (including Go). http://gist.github.com/ seems the only one to colorize Go 13:09 < KBme> no, pastie.org supports go 13:09 -!- quantumelixir [~chillu@203.110.240.41] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:19 < artefon> erus`: its very simple 13:19 < artefon> erus`: launch multiple goroutines that receives work from the same channel 13:19 < artefon> erus`: send word to this channel 13:19 < artefon> erus`: *work 13:20 < erus`> actually yeh that sounds easier than I was doing it 13:20 < artefon> erus`: :) channels are awesome! 13:21 < artefon> erus`: you can even read from multiple channels using select 13:21 < erus`> i was only sending the result with a channel 13:21 < artefon> erus`: its like a switch for channels 13:21 < erus`> i should have sent the tasks 13:21 < wrtp> yeah, sending the work with channels 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adu] 17:43 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 17:47 -!- Skola [~ik@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 17:52 -!- nettok [~quassel@200.119.156.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 17:58 -!- illya77 [~illya77@12-168-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:08 < quantumelixir> How do I find the memory that a particular slice is taking? Like a sizeof operator or something.. 18:08 < aiju> reflect 18:08 < aiju> sh := (*reflect.SliceHeader)&slice 18:08 < aiju> and then sh.Data 18:09 < quantumelixir> thanks aiju 18:09 < aiju> you can also manually create slices this way 18:09 < aiju> (but probably shouldn't) 18:09 < quantumelixir> happy to know hacks! :) 18:09 < quantumelixir> go-fu 18:09 < aiju> gofy uses it all over the place heh 18:09 < aiju> like for accessing video memory at 0xB8000 18:09 < jumzi> hmm must be a joy to read 18:10 < quantumelixir> haha 18:10 < aiju> low level Go is always a joy to read 18:10 < jumzi> use c then :p 18:10 < aiju> *(*uint64)(unsafe.Pointer(uintptr(0x1000))) fuck yeah 18:10 < quantumelixir> especially when punctuated by thoughtful error messages 18:10 < KBme> aiju: gofy? 18:10 < aiju> gofy.cat-v.org 18:10 < aiju> Go OS 18:10 < KBme> oh 18:10 < KBme> there is code? 18:11 < aiju> now 18:11 < aiju> ◔ ◡ ◔ 18:11 < jumzi> aiju found his life calling 18:11 < KBme> oooh! kernel/ 18:12 < aiju> it already detects memory! 18:12 < KBme> main.go: println 18:12 < KBme> oh lol 18:12 < aiju> development would go ahead much faster if i wouldn't have to waste my time in school 18:13 < quantumelixir> oh what do you study? 18:13 < aiju> high school 18:13 < quantumelixir> ah 18:13 < quantumelixir> impressive aiju 18:13 < jumzi> there isn't much that holds development back as much as school! 18:13 < KBme> except work 18:13 < quantumelixir> or college 18:13 < jumzi> Well atleast that ain't mandatory 18:14 < aiju> i can bring my laptop to the lecture and hack meanwhile 18:14 < aiju> :P 18:14 < KBme> but the teacher's babbling doesn't help concentration 18:14 < jumzi> Bah, it's calming 18:14 < KBme> ah well, i'll be watching gofy 18:15 < KBme> aiju: I have a cat for goblin ;) 18:15 < aiju> i also have a cat 18:15 < jumzi> Kinda like the fuzz from the fan inside my computer 18:15 < KBme> and a wc 18:15 < aiju> it prints "FUCK YOU" if you supply -v 18:15 < KBme> hahah 18:15 * TheSeeker feels old AND stupid now, thanks a lot aiju :P 18:16 < aiju> actually i think i'm going to put tetris in cat 18:16 < aiju> "yes, you can bloat software more than GNU" 18:16 < KBme> good idea, also add an option to output html5+javascript 18:17 < jumzi> don't forget pdfs 18:17 < TheSeeker> docx? 18:17 < aiju> XML conversion 18:18 < aiju> <ascii:character><value>65</value></ascii:character> 18:18 < KBme> nice 18:18 < aiju> but there is gcal 18:18 < aiju> a 76000 line cal program 18:18 < jumzi> probably gonna take you about 2 years 18:18 < aiju> you don't need to parodize gcal 18:18 < KBme> also add a --lick-mah-bawlz option 18:18 < aiju> cat --shutdown 18:20 < TheSeeker> uni.xkcd.com <- this should be a real os. 18:20 < quantumelixir> this is bad.. []bool is using one byte per location instead of one bit 18:20 < aiju> TheSeeker: there is aiju.phicode.de/pdp11 18:20 < aiju> quantumelixir: who cares? 18:20 < quantumelixir> haha 18:21 < quantumelixir> well.. if that damn thing could fit into my cache things would be faster 18:21 < aiju> just implement it yourself 18:21 < aiju> if you need it THAT desperately 18:22 < quantumelixir> hmm.. just have to implement a bit vector 18:22 < quantumelixir> but I don't think I'm THAT desperate :D 18:22 < aiju> just use & | 18:22 < aiju> is it that hard? 18:22 < quantumelixir> no.. the program runs already 18:22 < aiju> heh 18:22 < aiju> rewrite it 18:23 < quantumelixir> 300ms is good enough 18:27 -!- dforsyth [~dforsyth@c-76-21-40-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:32 < TheSeeker> don't say that around nsf >_> 18:34 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34 < quantumelixir> ah wonder why 18:34 -!- illya77 [~illya77@12-168-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34 -!- devrim [~Adium@160.79.7.234] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:34 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:35 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 18:36 -!- devrim [~Adium@160.79.7.234] has joined #go-nuts 18:36 -!- dforsyth_ [~dforsyth@bastion.inap.yelpcorp.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:37 < skelterjohn> I feel like a []bool should be handled as a bit array by the compiler 18:37 < skelterjohn> the same way vector<bool> works in C++ 18:37 < nsf> vector<bool> is a complete crap 18:37 < skelterjohn> but that is an optimization for later, probably 18:37 < aiju> i feel like it really shouldn't 18:38 < skelterjohn> care to qualify? 18:38 < aiju> it's a weird special case 18:38 < skelterjohn> so? 18:38 < nsf> weird, exactly 18:38 < skelterjohn> so, no objective reason 18:38 < aiju> that's an objective reason 18:39 < nsf> you can't do this: 18:39 < aiju> keep the damn language simple 18:39 < skelterjohn> it's not a change to the language 18:39 < aiju> simple and predictable 18:39 < skelterjohn> it's a change to the compiler 18:39 < nsf> bool *mybool = &x[0] 18:39 < skelterjohn> nsf: perhaps a better example would be &x[1], but i see your point 18:39 < aiju> the compiler shouldn't try to squeeze the last percents of performance 18:39 < nsf> skelterjohn: the same problem will be with the Go 18:39 < skelterjohn> aiju: i strongly disagree 18:40 < aiju> that's what the programmer should do 18:40 < nsf> []byte won't be a regular slice anymore 18:40 < nsf> because accessing each element requires bit masking, etc. 18:40 < aiju> currently the definition of a slice is simple and consistent 18:40 < aiju> so you want to add a bool special case 18:41 < nsf> who needs a special type 18:41 < nsf> BitSlice 18:41 < aiju> it really shouldn't be that hard to implement 18:41 < nsf> it isn't hard 18:42 < aiju> Go is not meant as a nanny language 18:42 < nsf> but it's not the question :) 18:42 < nsf> ah 18:42 < skelterjohn> nsf's point is valid 18:42 < skelterjohn> aiju: i don't feel that way about yours 18:42 < aiju> haha 18:42 < nsf> skelterjohn: but he's right too 18:43 < aiju> simplicity, cleanness and consistency are prime qualities of a language 18:43 < skelterjohn> it wouldn't be a language change 18:43 < aiju> sure it would be 18:43 < nsf> it is a language change 18:43 < skelterjohn> if the same code would have the same result, it's not a language change 18:43 < nsf> ah, yes, you're right 18:43 < skelterjohn> but the whole &x[1] thing makes it impossible, so this is a false conjecture 18:43 < nsf> you wanted it as a compiler optimization 18:43 < nsf> sure, do it then :) 18:44 < nsf> because no one needs it other than you 18:44 < nsf> :D 18:44 < aiju> optimize (v., GCC): to change code that it fails faster 18:44 < aiju> just saying … 18:44 < skelterjohn> pretty silly. 18:44 < aiju> yes, GCC is silly 18:44 < aiju> -O3 makes it run like 0.5% faster 18:45 < aiju> and crash rates goes skyrocket 18:45 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-196-177-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:45 < skelterjohn> good thing it's an option, then, isn't it 18:45 < skelterjohn> rather than a default 18:45 < aiju> except that gcc produces the dumbest code possible if you turn off optimizations 18:46 < skelterjohn> so we either use all proposed optimizations, or none of them? those are the two options? 18:46 < skelterjohn> i have a feeling that the stable optimizations are on by default 18:46 < skelterjohn> so "gcc -c a.c" will go pretty well 18:47 <+iant> no, that is unoptimized 18:47 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 18:47 <+iant> the gcc optimizers rarely introduces crashes in valid code 18:47 <+iant> the problem is that few people know what cases in C/C++ are invalid 18:48 <+iant> -O1 gives good optimization without straying into invalid code that many people think is valid 18:48 <+iant> once you get to -O2 gcc pulls out all the stops 18:48 < skelterjohn> fortunately, go is a lot clearer on this point 18:48 <+iant> yes 18:49 < aiju> i've seen gcc perform completely weird on perfectly valid code 18:49 <+iant> then that is a bug 18:49 < aiju> one of the few billion 18:50 <+iant> there are bugs in gcc 18:50 <+iant> but for 99% of the reported bugs, the code is actually invalid according to the language standard 18:50 <+iant> gcc is really pretty solid 18:50 < nsf> aiju: I haven't seen any problems with gcc 18:50 <+iant> when it comes to compiling valid code 18:50 < quantumelixir> aiju: show us the code! 18:50 < nsf> well, except C++0x ones, but mostly it was due to unfinished implementation 18:50 < aiju> sadly i don't have a copy 18:50 < quantumelixir> :( 18:50 <+iant> yes, C++0x support is in progress 18:51 <+iant> biaw 18:51 < skelterjohn> "biaw"? 18:51 < TheSeeker> Shouldn't that be C++1x by now? 18:51 < nsf> C++0A 18:52 < aiju> C++ "we manage to be even worse" 0x 18:52 < skelterjohn> doesn't being a cynic/contratrian get tiring after a while? 18:52 < nsf> aiju: my main concern: "no it's even more impossible to write a compiler, and it compiles code even more slowly" 18:53 < nsf> now* 18:53 < aiju> skelterjohn: being critical about C++ never gets tiring 18:53 < nsf> actually I would use C++ if its compilation speed will be the same as Go's 18:53 < nsf> :D 18:54 < aiju> i would use C++ if my brain was severely damaged 18:55 < nsf> I just like Qt a lot 18:55 < nsf> but compilation time makes me sick 18:55 < aiju> QBloatFrameWindowCreator 18:57 < aiju> everytime i have to use C++ and i think about using STL i get tired after a few minutes and just implement everythign from scratch 18:58 < nsf> yeah, I think it's funny actually 18:58 < skelterjohn> what's so complicated about STL? 18:58 < nsf> most big projects have their own stl 18:58 < aiju> skelterjohn: over 9000 character type names 18:58 < aiju> it seems completely unorthogonal to me 18:58 < skelterjohn> so don't read the headers 18:58 < skelterjohn> completely unorthogonal? what does that mean? 18:58 < skelterjohn> it's going exactly the direction you want? 18:59 < aiju> no 18:59 < aiju> it provides a heap of random operations instead of powerful primitives 18:59 < aiju> (might be just poor documentation) 18:59 < skelterjohn> when i used C++ (i don't anymore), i found STL to be very useful 18:59 < skelterjohn> i'd do stuff with vectors, maps and sets 19:00 < skelterjohn> and that's pretty much it 19:00 < aiju> the whole thing just makes me think "MY ASS" 19:00 < nsf> I think STL is broken 19:00 < aiju> and iterators? WTF? 19:00 < nsf> but, it's kind of useful 19:00 < quantumelixir> http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all 19:01 < skelterjohn> iterators are a bit wonky, but they work fine as long as you use them only when appropriate 19:02 < nsf> one more funny thing 19:02 < nsf> STL claims to be reusable 19:02 < quantumelixir> STL is great but I think for most applications you'd just be needing one or two data structures which you should be able to write yourself 19:02 < quantumelixir> And the time it takes to get your head around STL libraries is a lot 19:02 < nsf> so.. like you can use different algorithms with your custom iterator 19:02 < skelterjohn> how many times do you write a red-black tree impl until you give up and just use std::map? 19:02 < nsf> I literally haven't seen those cases a lot 19:03 -!- keithcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-cawwsvotealqzdro] has joined #go-nuts 19:03 < nsf> std::sort is a winner, but other than that 19:03 < nsf> a very rare usage 19:03 < aiju> there is qsort() in C 19:03 < nsf> aiju: it's slow 19:04 < nsf> slower than std::sort on some cases by a magnitude of 3 19:04 < nsf> for example sorting an array of floating point numbers 19:04 < skelterjohn> why is that? 19:04 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.17.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:04 < skelterjohn> do you give it a callback for comparisons, or something? 19:04 < nsf> because qsort cannot be inlined 19:04 < nsf> yes 19:04 < skelterjohn> ah 19:05 < skelterjohn> um. i feel like inlining shouldn't be a big deal 19:05 < skelterjohn> since you only call it once 19:05 < quantumelixir> I don't know.. I used STL for one project and the whole thing became such a huge mess. More than 70% of the time I was fighting with the compiler and libraries; I was rarely getting any work done. Of course, I'm a terrible C++ programmer, but the bar it sets is punishing. 19:05 < nsf> inlining is one of the most powerful optimizations :) 19:05 < skelterjohn> oh, recursion, right 19:05 < aiju> quantumelixir: yes, that's what i'm talking about 19:05 < skelterjohn> aiju: what, being a terrible C++ programmer? :) 19:05 < aiju> no 19:05 < aiju> using STL and everything becoming a huge mess 19:06 < aiju> and the compile times are INSANE 19:06 < quantumelixir> I was really fascinated, however, by the concept of reusable algorithms and iterators and all the fancy things on paper 19:06 < nsf> std::sort is amazing actually, I use it even in C code 19:06 < aiju> it's like you're really using a PDP-11 19:06 < aiju> most medium size C++ projects probably compile slower on modern machines than all of UNIX V6 on the PDP11 19:06 < nsf> sadly, there is no nice *free* macro-based sort algo for C 19:07 < nsf> at least last time I checked google :) 19:07 < aiju> i just implement fast sorting myself if i need it that desperatel 19:07 < aiju> +y 19:07 < nsf> I just use std::sort :D 19:07 < nsf> easiest thing to do 19:08 < nsf> but for the sake of removing C++ out of my project 19:08 < nsf> maybe it's worth it 19:08 < skelterjohn> i just write selection sort each time 19:08 < quantumelixir> *most* of the time foisting STL onto a C-only project is not worth it 19:08 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.17.115] has joined #go-nuts 19:08 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:08 < nsf> quantumelixir: in my case it was worth it 19:09 < nsf> it was a ray tracer 19:09 < quantumelixir> oh, interesting 19:09 < nsf> and I was building kdtrees, using brute force SAH approach 19:09 < quantumelixir> but I daresay someone has written a faster sort in C than the std::sort 19:09 < nsf> std::sort gave a speedup 19:09 < nsf> not a critical, but nice 19:10 < quantumelixir> qsort() is useless 19:10 -!- trigen [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has left #go-nuts [] 19:10 < quantumelixir> wait I'll find out 19:10 -!- enherit [~enherit@cpe-98-149-170-48.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:10 < nsf> quantumelixir: I'm sure someone did 19:10 < nsf> but I'd like to see some kind of a macro library for C on the net 19:12 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Project_2501, rejb, Venom_X, tux21b, rup, pothos, Boney, Cobi, AndyP_, jnwhiteh, (+80 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:12 -!- Mr_Dark` [~dk@poviko.demon.nl] has joined #go-nuts 19:13 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@uawifi-nat-210-24.arizona.edu] has joined #go-nuts 19:15 -!- Mr_Dark [~dk@poviko.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:17 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:8d15:bb1a:8bd5:b51e] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Cobi, KBme, Fish-, jumzi, rejb, i__, aiju, ExtraSpice, MX80, SRabbelier (+78 more) 19:17 < aiju> oh great 19:17 < aiju> *(int32*)0 = 0; // not reached 19:17 < aiju> in Go code 19:17 -!- TheSeeker2 [~n@99-153-250-110.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 -!- TheSeeker [~n@99-153-250-110.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 19:18 < aiju> that's bad if 0 IS accessible … 19:18 -!- tvw [~tv@e176002075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:19 -!- Venom_X_ [~pjacobs@74.61.90.217] has joined #go-nuts 19:19 -!- acetoline [~acetoline@122.58.180.208] has joined #go-nuts 19:20 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 19:20 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 19:22 < artefon> someone already used ragel go support? 19:22 -!- xash_ [~xash@d064168.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:22 < nsf> artefon: I've seen few messages on ragel's ML about Go 19:22 < nsf> but haven't tried it myself yet 19:22 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75.92.43.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:23 < artefon> nsf, i am trying it, as soon as i have an example I'll post 19:24 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 19:24 < nsf> well, I'm personally not interested in examples :) but I guess it would be nice for somebody else 19:24 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-69-181-223-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:25 < nsf> also in ragel source tree there are few Go example actually 19:25 < nsf> ragel-trunk/examples/go 19:26 < nsf> examples* 19:26 -!- xash [~xash@d064168.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:28 -!- jumzi [~jumzi@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:34 < quantumelixir> nsf: What is `goal' for? What's a template system? 19:34 < nsf> see examples dir 19:34 < nsf> it's another makefiles system 19:34 < nsf> but supports non-recursive approach, especially nice for apps with lots of local libraries 19:35 < nsf> it handles dependencies properly, etc. 19:35 < nsf> works for me 19:35 < artefon> nsf, nice :) 19:35 < aiju> yet another make 19:35 < nsf> probably contains bugs, I haven't used it much 19:35 < nsf> it's not a make app, it uses gnu make 19:35 < nsf> and acutally requires pretty recent version 19:36 < nsf> due to bugs in previous ones 19:36 < quantumelixir> yeah.. I can see make-fu all over the place 19:36 < nsf> uses advanced features heavily: runtime rule generation (via $(eval $(call))), rule local variables, etc. 19:37 * aiju has an idea for a paper 19:37 < nsf> I know guys in adobe use make the same way I do 19:37 < aiju> QUANTUM ELECTRODYNAMICAL CALCULATIONS USING GNU MAKE 19:37 < nsf> or maybe they don't 19:38 < nsf> but I rembember that somehow 19:38 -!- watr_ [~watr@66.183.100.58] has joined #go-nuts 19:40 < aiju> tiny does some strange locking 19:40 < aiju> not really locking but rather crashing if a lock is locked 19:41 < quantumelixir> nsf: Looks like you clobbered the make manual from start to finish 19:41 < quantumelixir> :D 19:42 < nsf> not really 19:42 < nsf> but I read a big portion of it 19:42 < aiju> hm what exactly are FS and GS used for? 19:42 < aiju> on amd64 that is 19:42 < nsf> aiju: thread local stuff? 19:42 < nsf> I don't know 19:42 < aiju> haha 19:42 < aiju> yes, i figured THAT out 19:43 < aiju> the go runtime is not pretty 19:43 < quantumelixir> nsf: Know why go-opengl fails to build with: 19:43 < quantumelixir> cannot use _Ctypedef_GLsizei(mapsize) (type _Ctypedef_GLsizei) as type _Ctypedef_GLint in function argument 19:44 < nsf> I don't use OpenGL anymore with Go 19:44 < nsf> sadly 19:44 < nsf> http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=1262 19:44 < nsf> due to this bug 19:44 < nsf> so.. no, I have no idea 19:44 < aiju> it looks like a comment in the runtime is wrong 19:44 < quantumelixir> interestingly, gotris depends on it 19:44 < quantumelixir> nsf: :/ 19:44 -!- tvw [~tv@e176002075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45 < nsf> quantumelixir: opengl apps are segfaulting on my machine 19:45 < nsf> so.. maybe the gotris is broken, I don't know 19:45 < nsf> stopped maintaining it 19:45 < quantumelixir> so it's in limbo? 19:45 < quantumelixir> can't I even play tetris? :'( 19:46 < nsf> limbo? gotris is in go apparently 19:46 < aiju> i wrote tetris for mathematica lol 19:46 < quantumelixir> haha 19:46 < quantumelixir> you do the weirdest shit 19:46 < aiju> haha 19:47 < aiju> hey i got two quotes for my "quotes about me" page today 19:47 < aiju> what a haul! 19:47 -!- tvw [~tv@e176002075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:47 -!- rutkowski [~adrian@078088207135.walbrzych.vectranet.pl] has joined #go-nuts 19:48 < aiju> really odd 19:48 < aiju> amd64 uses GS but never sets it 19:48 -!- Eridius [~kevin@unaffiliated/eridius] has joined #go-nuts 19:49 < aiju> anyone with an AMD64 machine care to strace a Go hello world program? 19:52 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF71A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:53 < temoto> me 19:53 < temoto> aiju, specific source? 20:00 < temoto> aiju, http://paste.ly/4BQu 20:07 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-zffuzgvuausqaxba] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:10 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@uawifi-nat-210-24.arizona.edu] has quit [Quit: itrekkie] 20:10 < aiju> perfect 20:10 < aiju> ty 20:15 < taruti> hmm. Could someone explain the syntax used in src/cmd/gc/opnames.h, why is that valid C? 20:15 < nsf> it's in C99 20:15 < aiju> why shouldn't it? 20:15 < nsf> but previously was an extension 20:15 < aiju> it's Plan 9 C 20:15 < nsf> not sure where it was originated 20:15 < nsf> gcc or plan9 c 20:15 < aiju> plan 9 more likely 20:15 < taruti> aiju: Plan9 C compiler is dying on it :P 20:16 -!- illya77 [~illya77@48-54-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:16 < aiju> what? 20:16 < taruti> btw I can build go 8c and 8l on plan9 20:16 < nsf> also, maybe I'm wrong 20:16 < nsf> and it's not in C99 20:16 < nsf> so.. it can be an invalid C code 20:16 < aiju> is extern register in any C standard? 20:16 < taruti> [O<tab>ADDR] = "<tab>ADDR", 20:17 < aiju> the Plan 9 C compiler compiles it just fine 20:17 < nsf> aiju: these keywords both are in C 20:17 < aiju> i just checked 20:17 < aiju> nsf: haha 20:17 < aiju> nsf: no, the combination 20:17 < nsf> have no idea :) 20:17 < aiju> used by Plan 9 C for global registers 20:17 < aiju> go does some really weird things with them 20:18 < taruti> aiju: hmm. I get syntax error, last name: ADDR 20:18 < taruti> at opnames.h 11 20:18 < aiju> really odd 20:18 < taruti> are you using what version of plan9 compiler? 20:19 < aiju> Plan 9 4th edition 20:19 < taruti> hmm, the same 20:19 < aiju> i don't compile that file specifically 20:19 < aiju> int foo[] = { 20:19 < aiju> [5] = 42 20:19 < aiju> } 20:19 < taruti> yes, that works. 20:20 < nsf> yep, looks like this is not a standard feature 20:21 < aiju> standard notation is [5] 42 i think 20:21 < taruti> [O<tab>ADDR] = "<tab>ADDR" <- what does that even mean 20:21 < aiju> taruti: where is that even from? 20:21 < taruti> src/cmd/gc/opnames.h 20:22 < aiju> not here … 20:22 < aiju> 11 [OAPPEND] = "APPEND", 20:22 < nsf> ok, it's in c99 20:22 < taruti> oh joy, mkopnames is buggy on P9 20:23 * nsf is getting rusty regarding his C standard knowledge 20:23 < nsf> :( 20:23 < aiju> i'm proud of not knowing the standard 20:23 < taruti> the file was generated wrongly and thus the wtf-source 20:23 < aiju> i reserve my brain cells to useful knowledge 20:23 < nsf> aiju: yeah, knowing compilers is a better idea 20:23 * MaybeSo reserves his for pickling in scotch 20:23 < aiju> "compilers" is dead, long live gcc 20:24 < nsf> I use clang for C now :) 20:24 < aiju> gcc in green 20:24 < temoto> and yellow 20:24 < temoto> sometimes blue 20:25 < aiju> "blue" more adequately describes the Windows world 20:25 -!- jumzi [~jumzi@c-89-233-234-125.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:25 < aiju> the current Go implementation is a damn hack 20:25 -!- erus` [~tommo@cpc1-gill2-0-0-cust436.basl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:25 < taruti> now it works better :) 20:25 < nsf> aiju: it is 20:25 < aiju> the linker does the weirdest things 20:25 < erus`> How do i use strconv Ftoa64() with standard float64 ? 20:26 < nsf> personally I don't like the idea of a scheduler and goroutines at all 20:26 < jumzi> aiju: ssssh! 20:26 < nsf> and I haven't decided about GC :D 20:26 < aiju> the footprint is HUGE 20:27 < aiju> gofy's kernel is already four times as large as UNIX V6's without doing anything useful 20:27 < nsf> :D 20:27 < nsf> aiju: what's wrong with you today? 20:27 < nsf> you're criticising everything 20:27 < nsf> :D 20:28 < aiju> haha 20:28 < aiju> that's my usual me 20:28 < nsf> hehe 20:28 < aiju> and i'm trying to make sense out of runtime code 20:29 < erus`> what format are float64's? 20:29 < nsf> most of the code in it makes programs slower 20:29 < nsf> scheduler, GC 20:29 < aiju> Go programs end up as an OS-in-OS 20:29 < nsf> exactly 20:29 < nsf> a very bad OS in the OS 20:30 < erus`> emacs 20:30 < nsf> because The OS at least represents hardware more or less, internal OS is just pure imagination 20:32 -!- plainhao [~plainhao@208.75.85.237] has quit [Quit: plainhao] 20:34 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:35 -!- mosva [~mosva@unaffiliated/mosva] has joined #go-nuts 20:35 -!- itrekkie [~itrekkie@uawifi-nat-210-16.arizona.edu] has joined #go-nuts 20:35 < nsf> ah, but it would be fair to say 20:35 < nsf> that networking in that internal OS is better 20:36 < nsf> at least on an interface basis :) 20:37 < aiju> every grade schooler could design a better network interface than BSD sockets 20:37 < nsf> hehe 20:37 < aiju> oh joy 20:37 < nsf> but what do you think about winapi's approach? 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